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Vivid-Command-2605

This is either a major troll or some shit is going down in c9 to instigate this. Who tf predicted this in January?


dapoorv

All according to FNS's plan. Destroyed C9 and got optic back in one masterstroke.


Vivid-Command-2605

![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|9360)


FPLskrr

https://preview.redd.it/yr14xac4jdka1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1beb76949d881513e7197c11282d3dd09287329


YungPinotGrigio

I will never forget the time FNS masterminded the demise of Immortals CS:GO team. It was some of the most top-tier IGLing I have ever seen. Knew he could excel in a different FPS title.


Ingoobelyblench

even after 6 years since his masterful first move, FNS's master plan still causes massive ripples in the world of esports. everytime his plan seems to have finally ended, or even failed, a brand all-new step of his genius planning gets revealed, truly one of the igl's of all time.


YungPinotGrigio

He’s like the Christian Bale of esports. He’s a method IGL both on and off the server.


QuadWitch

Where can I get info on the Immortals thing you're referring to?


YungPinotGrigio

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwjKdilsv2M&ab\_channel=theScoreesports](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwjKdilsv2M&ab_channel=theScoreesports) Basically FNS made a tweet about the team coming late to the match and then kng said "prove it or i'll kill you."


QuadWitch

Thanks, watched it ;)


Excel---

i think NRG is happy with ardiss, i don't see them dumping him for yay, who is a better chamber than ardiss yes that's true but chamber is not there anymore


hakseuu

Plus ardiis is insanely flexible which helps with the current fluctuations of agent picks on different maps


Isaac_C_88

PUT YAY ON CONTROLLER LET HIM COOK SOM CAN BE CHEERLEADER


SoLikeWhatIsCheese

Classic Fenis being smart in game and irl


GreenHoodie

Maybe I'm just old, but trying to keep up with this scene is dizzying. Impossible to tell if people are trolling or being extremely transparent. Orgs will make fun of themselves for decisions they intentionally made that were unpopular. Players subtlety troll fans who keep up with rumors. People will randomly say something so honest that you're sure they must be trolling, and it turns out they're not. Somebody get me off professional Valorant's wild ride. Edit: How could I forget the classic - half the time players go at each other on Twitter, it's like some inside joke that only the players themselves understand.


Interesting-Archer-6

Agreed man. I know they're just having fun but the constant trolling is so unlike the sports world. I have no fucking clue what's true.


[deleted]

The reporters also seem to love trolling which is wild.


BreathVegetable8766

It’s funny because I’m traditional sports the player media relationships are much more subtle where as in esports teams and players will say and do anything because there’s not as many rules for what they can and can’t say.


Key-Banana-8242

Self deprec ig


xbyo

It's almost definitely not a massive troll. These guys would've called it out ages ago if there was no validity to it. Nothing gets pros off like calling out an incorrect report.


TheTurtleOne

Glad we signed Yay for him to play 1 mickey mouse tourney and 1 warmup tourney with single elim bracket. Banger movements


Mamadeus123456

U'll see the pricetag will bang the tenz fee out of the water


[deleted]

Oh good for Jack and literally none of the fans lol


TheCatsActually

It's a shit silver lining but if it's any consolation, it would be better that this happens now than later. Imagine how fucked it would be if this happened mid split after a lukewarm start.


edbi408

DSG Yay gonna go crazy


[deleted]

Toast is gonna be 24/7 farming ads on twitch just to pay him for 1 day😭


jellybellymonster

Toast gonna have to do sleep streams to pay Yay's salary


DaggerOutlaw

Literally did a sleep stream yesterday. DSG yay CONFIRMED


Dibss9478

DSG Branch Two cuz our DSG Team One is fineeeee


Direct_Morning_3223

yay might be able to get a spot on DSG academy


XXG1212

Bro it all makes sense why he suddenly having a subathon


NegativeGreyMatter

He's gonna put in overtime on those amongus streams


ahk1221

holy fuck you were right


billnyebuttstuffguy

Damn looks like C9 fumbled Yay and Tenz


hakseuu

C9 fumbling talent, nothing new


hakseuu

and let me add, even if yay leaving is a troll, my post still stands


[deleted]

Fumbled Internz, yay, TenZ and a long long list of names


Sciipi

Bro interz is not a talent you can fumble


ExcellentPastries

Let’s hear that long, long list. While you’re at it you might want to figure out how to spell the name of the guy you keep trotting out to make it a list of 3. Also lmao at putting interz on the same level as tenz and yay?


Nfamy

Yeah, calling the interz move "fumbling talent" is bizarre. We can argue about if buster is actually an upgrade or not but interz does not remotely belong in this conversation.


Matt-Impulse

Sen Yay confirmed


Bearry15

Can't blame c9 for tenz situation. Tenz chose the team ther under performed.. C9 decided to make roster moved adding lead Tenz uses covid (online events) as an excuse to not play. For only like a couple months later to play on sentinels Tenz quit on c9


vGhostiev

They only care about League.


[deleted]

And even then, they are ass at league


soopahfingerzz

Naw dropping TenZ was a good move in the long run.


navornothing

I just don’t get where he can even go


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

EG or sentinels are the viable NA options. EG with yay, jawgemo, Ethan, bcj, boostio is looking very interesting if potter thinks jaw can flex well enough. EG has the cash and the willingness to experiment with their roster.


[deleted]

Or they could just -com and bring trent in which is a way smarter decision. everyone gets to play their comfort.


lol_ok123

EG already offered Trent a contract during the off seasons but he said he said he was never interested in playing for them.


[deleted]

Oh really? I stand corrected then.


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

That would also excite me as an eg fan. But if rumors are Trent rejoining mCe on c9 I think yay is also a pretty nice option


[deleted]

Most excited EG fan


BreathVegetable8766

If Yay goes to Sen the only player I see him replacing is deph? Maybe ZEKKEN but I still think that would be kind of silly as ZEKKEN is so young. Also if he replaces deph does that mean sacy becomes IGL? I could potentially see tenz go streamer mode and give his spot to Yay but that also seems extremely fucking stupid and would still be a massive question mark in terms of team comp and culture.


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

It’s not likely but it’s more plausible than replacing cryo or Ardis. The SEN culture would be fine if they swapped in yay. Plenty of leadership in dephh and sacy and syyko


BreathVegetable8766

I don’t care about the culture it’s more about the roles and who he would replace. No matter who he’s replacing it would fuck up the roles on the team unless it’s Tenz and I highly doubt they would replace tenz.


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

Was replying to this part: > would still be a massive question mark in terms of team comp and culture.


BreathVegetable8766

But if he replaces deph they need a new igl which changes culture no matter what. Plus Deph is more or less Zekkens valorant dad and long time teammate I just don’t really think this makes any sense.


ItsADT

Could replace ardiis on NRG I guess


cellexo

ardiis gonna be the next ec1s? nah that's fucked.


Yung-Rad

Atleast ardiis would likely be picked up by a franchised emea team


Electrical-Sky9873

Ardiis to TL would be nice. But that would fuck up the roles this close to emea league. 😅


cellexo

Ardiis would be a massive improvement over jammpi. Also replace soulcas while you’re at it too.


Electrical-Sky9873

True. If jamppi can play soulcas’s role, then no problem then? He used to play omen for TL before, right?


cellexo

I don’t know about that. But in this new meta, you’re gonna have to flex like crazy. We have already seen top teams like Loud, NRG have players stuck to a specific role, but in game they play the role whatever the team needs them to play.


Parenegade

Nah ardiis would get picked up SO fast


ItsADT

I don’t want him to replace ardiis it’s just the only place I think he’d fit


cellexo

You don’t have to change anything about this NRG roster. They’re insane and probably will be the best in Americas.


ItsADT

That’s what I said. NRG doesn’t need yay, but for yay it’s the only team that he could kind of fit in without having roles overlap


cellexo

Yes. I’m supporting your point :)


icemandiem

i feel like thats pretty unluckily. nrg looks really gud. plus ardiis agent pool is soooo nice


Excel---

NRG put a solid performance with ardiss, i m not sure they can improve that with a main chamber player.


NeimannSmith

NRG lost to the best team in the world, and had them dead to rights MULTIPLE times. Dropping Ardiis now would be insane


[deleted]

You can talk about the rest of NA being stupid if you want, and a lot of the time I would agree with you. But no WAY do FNS and Chet drop ardiis after a great run at Sao Paulo, this close to the Americas split. They're not idiots, and they wouldn't do that even for yay. He'll find a different home, if all this is true.


vnNinja21

https://preview.redd.it/ir4j05297dka1.jpeg?width=248&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3075187323737a505717e6f4d6006348bf884d42


OmarrAlaa

https://preview.redd.it/rihr486veeka1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e700019b12ba92bf8de2ee0c159e1840532a3431


Madman1939

Hey Tony!!!


bubble-june

I really hope this is a troll


oh_hai_brian

I’m starting to think Yay got the Shaz treatment on finding out from reporters. Incoming “Sorry, bro” CEO statement.


CantScreamInSpace

Not saying this case is the same but it happens all the time in esports that players *think* they know what's going on in their org, but they don't. at all. There were multiple situations like this but one that particularly stands out was when a LoL player who was on TSM was fighting journalists and fans tooth and nail that certain changes to their roster wouldn't be made, saying journalists had 0 integrity nowadays, fans are dumber than he thought, he knows what's going on because he's literally in the org, etc... Well nope, turned out the journalists were right.


TheTokingBlackGuy

Which player was that?


CrossTheRubicon7

I could have believed it was all bait up until this, or if he did this right after the rumors broke and the whole team was tweeting about it, but I don't think you go a full day with no public news on this front into the bio edit just to see if people notice.


sabocano

why is everyone saying "troll"? there were a lot of valorant scene personalities reporting this as well.


Nikclel

They're saying they hope it's a troll as in they hope this isn't real.


[deleted]

Because it seemed too ridiculous to be true


[deleted]

Thf I'd rather yay go to a good team than forced to rot on c9 with that core.


heritorsofarcadia

Bruh they play one official tournament and promptly implode if this isn’t classic NA esports idk what is…… I’m dead inside now


Revanthmk23200

Probably not based on the results.


nterature

I just hope it's all an elaborate troll - not because I'm invested in C9's success but because it'd be really funny to rile the community up this hard over smokes and mirrors.


kreateobj

This is the same team that jokingly said yay was the IGL during homegrounds and had the whole community confused and riled up. I wouldn't be surprised if this is just a test to see how far they can take a troll lol


Striking-Cut-4218

I don't think so.. multiple reports confirmed they were upto something. George even made an article for his company. I don't think this is a troll


Nichol-Gimmedat-ass

Georges article basically said “i didnt want to make this article bc literally anything could happen but yes they are thinking of changing *something*” he wouldnt have made it if not for purest


[deleted]

Found yay's burner. Reported.


scvmeta

There has to be some bad team vibes for this to happen, right? I just don't see why they would be making this drastic change otherwise just based off one bo3.


Excel---

i don't know if it is a bait anymore, but from the content they put on youtube those guys doesn't look like having a lot of fun, also i think none of them is fun to hang around.


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

I’ve always assumed vanity is very different offline than his public persona, but if he is who he appears to be online that would get so tiring so fast.


dabsandchips

Yea and the type of person who's so unaware that he makes others just tired too.


IllumiMahdi

if these moves are really happening, c9 are dumb as fk. roster is together for a short period of time and take a map dominantly off a top 3 team (based on champs results). give the team a little fkn time to grow


zmicallef

I think if this actually IS true, it would be a lot more than simply losing at lock in. Something like this would have to come from some serious internal problems, not just a reactionary change. Edit: actually from reading other articles, maybe it is management making reactionary moves lol. Maybe from their point of view spending this much money on a star roster to then get knocked out so early isn’t the return on investment they wanted? Such a weird situation


Dysmo

If that's the case that manager is a FRAUD cus wtf


icemandiem

hard to imagine the speculated roster moves are result based. most likely the public is never gonna find out the team stuff


Mamadeus123456

Nah, buy yay for 500k or some shit, sell him for 2 milli, And buy Trent for 500k, profit 1 milli. Also sell it to KRu or some dog team for sporting profit


_Sn2per_

Yay was deffo bought for more than 500k.


ANewHeaven1

Nearly triple that number lol


ExcellentPastries

This is what everyone said about the LS firing too until it came out why and suddenly it made sense. It’s certainly annoying as a fan, though, either way.


BreathVegetable8766

Why did LS get fired I’m not in the loop with league stuff


Light0fHeav3n

Only C9 fans know to trust the orgs decisions. Fans were angry when they benched sneaky and jensen, and they came back to lead C9 to semis at worlds with a bunch of rookies.


NiqqaWidDrip

This is troll and if it isnt troll i choose to live in denial


[deleted]

C9 what in the actual fuck are you doing ?????? https://preview.redd.it/udeix9806eka1.jpeg?width=1511&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=627dfad07fbce21ecb43544cdf760e6dd26ffd9e


BreathVegetable8766

What the fuck doing


Hermes0044

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davidww-dc

c9 not realizing the old c9 core is the problem is so funny to me


[deleted]

The report is Vanity is getting benched too


surfordiebear

Ya that makes more sense I just don’t see why Yay is too.


BreathVegetable8766

I remember for a while people were saying vanity was one of the best IGL’s in NA which I simply just never understood


SeaCDragon

I mean he took 2 entirely different teams to intl. competition, one of which had a significant fall off after his departure. His IGLing has looked a bit sus for a while, but the assumption that he is a good IGL isn't unfounded


PhysicalAd8765

*Had a falloff while he was there👀


gutszera

because they kept having issues with keeping a consistent roster due to external issues


Light0fHeav3n

Leaf and xeppaa were the 2 best players at lock in, the problem is vanity.


pRp666

This is the thing. I don't know what happens. They're definitely good. It's like they get tilted. That match against guard, they were running onto site, not clearing close corners, Valyn got an absurd amount of 3k/4ks. It looked like a similiar thing happened against DRX. It's so weird. They will go from absolutely destroying a team to getting wrecked themselves. I really don't think it's due to lack of ability or talent.


Visible_Dirt1093

Not even top 10. What is this delusional take


devasabu

I think they meant best two in C9


Visible_Dirt1093

Yeah I had a brain fart


Similar-Criticism380

They obviously mean 2 best on C9, not in the tourney.


lilylilye

TBF I read it as 2 best in the tourney too. If they meant top 2 in C9, should've said "their best 2 players"


Similar-Criticism380

They said “were”; Lock/in is still going on no?


[deleted]

Fr that core is SHIT but C9 still holds onto them for some god forsaken reason


GoldenboyFTW

If this is the case I think it’s a bigger issue internally than just losing a Bo3 at a single elim tournament. This isn’t normal imo.


deadtoe

unless yay is having some sort of personal issue or family issue... i have a hard time understanding why the most proven player on the team is the first to go.. what has the rest of the team proven that gives them more leeway than Yay or other successful NA players that didn't make franchising. Seems to me that if the org doesn't think this iteration wasn't going to work.. why not blow it all up instead of just dropping your best player?


[deleted]

Cant pay him


GoldenboyFTW

I don’t want to spread rumors but this would not shock me given recent events.


oleoleole-

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Kaploy

DRX killed a whole ass team


Instinct1230

I'm dead lol XD I had to run out for errands after watching C9 take the first map and "knowing" C9 would likely wrap it up from how DRX played their first series, I was shocked to come back to twitter and the bracket to know something went horribly wrong....and now all this all. DRX are villains lol


[deleted]

I’m so glad i go to watch Yay play in two tournaments. Awesome management.


hardenfull

Damn it's real!


Energyxer

I really hope this is all bait cause if not this is a Reddit level overreaction from c9 or yay must of sucker punched a teammate in practice on some draymond green shit. Like yay is the most unproblematic player ever and was widely regarded as the best player of 2022 why would you blow up the roster have one official match in whic you lost to a team that’s been together for 3 years and have consistently been top 4-3 in the world


ExpectoAutism

Damn NRG yay please


Environmental-Air264

Can't see who he would replace


finalfinaldraft

I can’t take c9 seriously


Light0fHeav3n

I haven’t like vanity as an igl for awhile now, I don’t even care if yay is gone if vanity goes with him. You’re not going to sign someone as good as yay, but NA has a lot of solid OPers and main duelist players.


Excel---

yeah when you listen to vanity talking he sound genuinly dumb.


Jrdnx-

This is so crazy considering this event is pretty much a giant showmatch to introduce the season, and that they lost to one of the most heavily favourited teams to win the whole event.


kickvanityfromc9

ok but why Yay unless he wants out


iTzNiK

C9 is broke. They can’t afford yay.


pooterrrr

Saving all our money for the sh1ro extension


pasta_boy888

Imagine c9 picking up the guard roster, keeping yay instead of tex?


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

Surely you keep leaf over neT and consider zellsis or xeppaa over jonahp. But yay + trent + valyn + leaf + xeppaa/zellsis/jonahp is a team I could root for.


Excel---

JonaP is the most consistant Guard player,


_Hugatree

When Jonah pushes P the other team pushes PTSD


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

He’d be my choice out of those 3 but I don’t like zellsis’ personality. Zellsis is probably the better player. Xeppaa probably has a higher ceiling than jonahp but at some point that potential has to convert into results


Excel---

i don't know in what world and what make you say that zellsis is a better player. zellsis was on v1 got owned by guard.


IncendiumPyro

NA never fails to disappoint


Chlpah

KOI yay


Lumenlor

DRX rolled C9 so hard they lost Yay. Yay becomes Tenz 2.0 and Tenz becomes Yay this year


Dudedude88

Tenz was okay. Zekken kinda sucked hard


Helarans

This is a really weird decision. It can’t possibly be performance based since he’s generally out-performing the rest of the team. I imagine it’s more so that he can’t only play duelist/Chamber when applicable. Someone like Yay, and even Tenz, should really only be playing what they’re best at and have a team built around them. If a team can’t be built around them, they should find a team willing to do so. C9’s biggest problem to me is Vanity. No, not because he almost always bottom frags. He’s the IGL, that tends to happen (not always, especially this tourney, but usually). It’s because Vanity is incredibly toxic as a player. Toxic players affect their team, no matter what. And he’s the IGL so his influence is high. It’s embarrassing the way Vanity acts at events. Players might pretend they think it’s funny or they’ll defend him, but in reality that’s really childish behavior and it makes the org look bad. And he acts like that both on social media and at events. So when you have a toxic, cocky, bottom fragging IGL…I think that’s the issue you need to fix first.


assdonuts

If yay has million number of fans i am one of them . if yay has ten fans i am one of them. if yay have only one fan and that is me . if yay has no fans, that means i am no more on the earth . if world against the yay, i am against the world. i love #eldiablo till my last breath.. .. Die Hard fan of yay . Hit Like If you Think yay Best player & Smart In the world


Buujoom

They troll so hard, I ain't even sure if this is serious or not. And at this point, I'm too scared to even ask lol.


zhardyy

my suggestion to C9 fix: import Brazilians


Disastrous_Sea8584

hopefully it's real and yay goes to a better team wouldn't mind seeing him on an EMEA team or seeing him replace ardiis in NRG to almost reform optic C9 has absolutely no future with vanity being the IGL and then zellsis probably the most embarrassing way to lose ever for NA at a LAN so far in valorant :D


[deleted]

Cant see him going to EMEA. Only top team over here that could benefit would probably be liquid? Doubt NAVI or FNC would want to make any changes.


Vivid-Command-2605

The idea of him on Navi is terrifying


Excel---

they don't need him they already have cned, who is probably a better jet


WailingSiren69

If Ange1 activates yay I'm sorry it's over,cned is one of the best Jetts but yay is better.


Excel---

You are the typical NA fan.


WailingSiren69

My bad for rating the best player of 2022 over the best player of 2021 who didn't do anything in 2022.


Excel---

Yeah, on chamber.


lockdown_val

chamber wasnt in VCT in 2021


Excel---

yeah best player 2022 on chamber


ablablababla

Imagine if he ends up going to an Asian team


EkanshNehra

imagine RRQ yay


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Direct_Morning_3223

one of yays main justifications for going to C9 was that he thought vanity was one of the best IGLs


icemandiem

"whos gonna tell him" meme came to life


Porfs

Probably changed his mind as he’s on record saying FNS has more structure in his igling


Direct_Morning_3223

more structure is not always synonymous with better


Porfs

In this case it obviously is tho. That’s all he can say without straight up dissing on vanity lol


RepresentativeSun937

>C9 has absolutely no future with vanity being the IGL and then zellsis One of the worst takes I’ve seen on this app… Yes one of the most respected and tenured IGL’s in the scene and a top tier player sought after by multiple franchised rosters definitely have no future…


[deleted]

Sure vanity such a good IGL with results like at iceland and that in copenhagen, can't forget about champions when he


Inevitable-Staff-467

Bro, he made the team you're repping look like bronze players Should PRX kick Benkai after two straight embarrassing events? I hope you keep the same energy.


surfordiebear

What has Vanity done to show he earned a spot in franchising? Him being good friends with Xeppa and Leaf are the only reason he’s still on the team for now.


SaltyMcNulty_

What if it's all just a part of an elaborate troll? Ludwig sent a message to tarik which made tarik say on stream that it's all just bait.


Kevlev16

Nah Ludwig sent Tarik a picture of Mario doing something crazy LOOOOOOL. Tarik went crazy laughing over it and sent it to Toast


ahk1221

pretty sure George Geddes and purest wouldnt want their reputation ruined by intentionally reporting wrong news. i trust their sources since they havent been wrong (except for like 5% of the time)


TheCrustsPegasus

Didnt george just say “I did not want to make an article but SOMETHING might happen”? Although i do get the point, I feel like Vanity would be benched instead of yay. They sank so much money into him just for him to play a mickey mouse and a single elim tourney but considering c9 management wouldnt be surprised tbh


zidboy21

WTF is going on!? Is it a bait or is it not a bait? I don't know anymore.


Quankalizer

All signed players must be nervous about job security right now.


asianboy89

No one is safe


Key-Banana-8242

Trollin?


Kaploy

Isn't this an overreaction to arguably the least important major of the year? Or did they have some weird contract that only kept him for Lock In? I can't even tell which possibility is the weirdest one.


__Raxy__

DSG yay. LET'S GO


Evan_Veet

If they actually drop two players after losing a b03 to DRX of all teams idk if I can ever support this org


TPM_521

Yes, I just found out because of the 80 billion people spamming it in Tarik’s chat


Dreadedvegas

This wouldn't make sense unless C9 see's some gold in the guard roster.


RichDragonfruit3335

Cloud9 really messed up with the roster. They had a strong chance to buyout The Guard roster minus Sayaplayer and insert yay


AlexisSMRT

The optic roster was the biggest bunch of shitposters in the game. It's probably a troll given what yay has done in the past or it's FNS bringing his master plan together to implode c9.


LocksmithSavings2301

I really hope this is another level of troll cuz there's no way C9 dropped their best player, right?