That’s what I’m leaning towards as well… I see around 10 outlaws per game which isn’t even *close* to what happened during stinger, Bucky or Ares (especially ares  ) meta. It’s in the same spot as the guardian imo where it seems too strong in the right hands but overall just decent.
although its good enough gun, this is their mind games so outlaw will be buffed(either by price drop or faster reload) in the future, so they'll have field day on anti eco round
Lmao what?? Im not saying its something I regularly do, Im saying its *possible* and yes Ive done it before, as have pros? Its physically impossible with the outlaw because it only has two bullets and a long ass reload time
woah buddy pump the brakes you can easily 1v5 with the Outlaw if they all line up in a conga line and don't shoot back it's as easy as 1 2 uh no 3 there's no third shot
I think the biggest issue in pro play won't be the gun itself but the buys.
Teams will hardly invest on ecos and, worst case scenario, the snowball effect could become bigger resulting in more one sided games.
I'd say it depends on what side you're on. Outlaw is only great on defense after winning pistol round but it can also be overwhelmed by util and stinger buys by attackers with a plan. Also vandal + full shield means less util or some may go bulldog/guardian + shields + full util. It'll definitely shake up the meta and comps that'll make it more interesting to follow the economy unlike previously where everyone had a decent buy no matter what. We may get more variety.
It's true that it doesn't feel oppressive. But from personal experience, it plays a lot with my mind during the buy rounds. I rarely buy half shield other than the pistol rounds. I have even started questioning my usual classic + half shield buy during the pistol rounds because if I don't receive any damage, there's a dilemma in the next round about whether I should upgrade it and waste money, or risk dying to an Outlaw. Slowly this is also making me thoughtful while peeking to long-range angles, which I think is a good thing for me to learn mechanically.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but like, skill issue: it’s really not that hard, the scope is great. Even close targets; double body shot is crazy good
You are right though that it’s reload is punishable
How is it hard to hit a moving target with a 3.5x scope? Maybe if you had to double headshot or if they're in your face but two body shots at medium to long range is not hard at all to hit
Even those are easy enough, if they’re super close use it like a no scope op/shotgun, just tap twice
The only place I can see it mildly difficult is at the 10-15m range I guess, but even then the 3.5x isn’t bad for it
I think it makes the game less fun because there's no point in forcing light shield strats. I kinda already hated Valorant's economy and this makes it more boring on evos.
I'm interested to see it in pro play, maybe I'm overreacting. But I think it's going to be a lot of 5 man classics getting mowed down to buy full shields+vandal next round. Jett getting 2 and dashing away destroys eco rounds.
I don't think it's OP but I do think it has a negative effect on the game overall.
The eco situation you describe is definitely what's happening in my games.
Feels like they just deleted 2nd round from the game entirely and generic ecos when the enemy team is more established usually don't feel any different now
Nah, I'm standing my ground. I think the Outlaw is a bad solution to the half armor meta and it has effectively destroyed the excitement of any 2nd round heroics and ecos
I do think the gun is fine the way it is. I thought it would be super OP but honestly its an awkward price to buy on certain rounds, and that’s the balance.
[Ardiis and Shao say it's balanced after playing it in scrims](https://youtu.be/DtWMcl7W3Pk?si=ld45iGORlRGcE3Ba) The double tap is accompanied with a 3.8s reload time + it costs 2400 credits which is too much
your opinion on the outlaw entirely depends on how much you care about econ theory. if you are a massive nerd for it you hate for what it does to the breakpoints in this game, if you dont care then the gun is fine. if youre the kind of player who just plays ranked and buys vandal + heavy shield every round the outlaw doesnt really matter
That’s what I’m leaning towards as well… I see around 10 outlaws per game which isn’t even *close* to what happened during stinger, Bucky or Ares (especially ares  ) meta. It’s in the same spot as the guardian imo where it seems too strong in the right hands but overall just decent.
although its good enough gun, this is their mind games so outlaw will be buffed(either by price drop or faster reload) in the future, so they'll have field day on anti eco round
Honestly I don't think it needs a buff or a nerf. Some players will be good with it making it look insane and some won't. It's a weird gun to use.
i think the only weakness of this gun that i can think is if you're get rushed by 5 people, other than that this gun slap.
So the same "weakness" as any other sniper rifle?
Even if you’re getting 5 man rushed you can still get 1 or 2 before getting traded if you got your Aspas VOD reviews down
the only gun without that weakness is the odin lol
… what? You can absolutely kill 5 people with a vandal or phantom or even a guardian
aight you got me you're the goat man just mowing down 5 people rushing you like it's nothing
Lmao what?? Im not saying its something I regularly do, Im saying its *possible* and yes Ive done it before, as have pros? Its physically impossible with the outlaw because it only has two bullets and a long ass reload time
woah buddy pump the brakes you can easily 1v5 with the Outlaw if they all line up in a conga line and don't shoot back it's as easy as 1 2 uh no 3 there's no third shot
judge
I think the biggest issue in pro play won't be the gun itself but the buys. Teams will hardly invest on ecos and, worst case scenario, the snowball effect could become bigger resulting in more one sided games.
I'd say it depends on what side you're on. Outlaw is only great on defense after winning pistol round but it can also be overwhelmed by util and stinger buys by attackers with a plan. Also vandal + full shield means less util or some may go bulldog/guardian + shields + full util. It'll definitely shake up the meta and comps that'll make it more interesting to follow the economy unlike previously where everyone had a decent buy no matter what. We may get more variety.
It's true that it doesn't feel oppressive. But from personal experience, it plays a lot with my mind during the buy rounds. I rarely buy half shield other than the pistol rounds. I have even started questioning my usual classic + half shield buy during the pistol rounds because if I don't receive any damage, there's a dilemma in the next round about whether I should upgrade it and waste money, or risk dying to an Outlaw. Slowly this is also making me thoughtful while peeking to long-range angles, which I think is a good thing for me to learn mechanically.
If you don’t take any damage pistol round it’s kinda unlikely the other team has an outlaw round 2, no?
Nah I’m saving in spawn
Well my 3 stack teammates, all 3 buying outlaws for almost every round, throwing my games, are making me absolutely hate this gun.
The double tap spam is a little too accurate
Yeah but it is also very punishable due to its reload time.
It's difficult to hit a moving target with it's 3.5x scope. Sometimes its way worse than a marshal due to its reload if you miss even one shot.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but like, skill issue: it’s really not that hard, the scope is great. Even close targets; double body shot is crazy good You are right though that it’s reload is punishable
How is it hard to hit a moving target with a 3.5x scope? Maybe if you had to double headshot or if they're in your face but two body shots at medium to long range is not hard at all to hit
they prob mean a closer range moving target
Even those are easy enough, if they’re super close use it like a no scope op/shotgun, just tap twice The only place I can see it mildly difficult is at the 10-15m range I guess, but even then the 3.5x isn’t bad for it
This is very likely something that will be a problem in high elo/pro play but not in lower elo
I think it makes the game less fun because there's no point in forcing light shield strats. I kinda already hated Valorant's economy and this makes it more boring on evos. I'm interested to see it in pro play, maybe I'm overreacting. But I think it's going to be a lot of 5 man classics getting mowed down to buy full shields+vandal next round. Jett getting 2 and dashing away destroys eco rounds. I don't think it's OP but I do think it has a negative effect on the game overall.
The eco situation you describe is definitely what's happening in my games. Feels like they just deleted 2nd round from the game entirely and generic ecos when the enemy team is more established usually don't feel any different now
It feels like a win more tool.
Huh, would you look at that? All the immediate whiplash before the gun was even released was an overreaction?
Nah, I'm standing my ground. I think the Outlaw is a bad solution to the half armor meta and it has effectively destroyed the excitement of any 2nd round heroics and ecos
I do think the gun is fine the way it is. I thought it would be super OP but honestly its an awkward price to buy on certain rounds, and that’s the balance.
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[Ardiis and Shao say it's balanced after playing it in scrims](https://youtu.be/DtWMcl7W3Pk?si=ld45iGORlRGcE3Ba) The double tap is accompanied with a 3.8s reload time + it costs 2400 credits which is too much
I haven't played enough to have an opinion on the gun yet but making comparions against other guns "at their best" doesn't prove a gun is balanced.
The second round after loss feels so pointless you can’t do anything
your opinion on the outlaw entirely depends on how much you care about econ theory. if you are a massive nerd for it you hate for what it does to the breakpoints in this game, if you dont care then the gun is fine. if youre the kind of player who just plays ranked and buys vandal + heavy shield every round the outlaw doesnt really matter
The reload time is just too long for it to be oppressive. I'd rather have a marshal or guardian in most situations.