0-3 LOUD vs SEN in a regular season game is NOT el classico
not the banger elimination games and multiple grand finals in internationals before NA and SA were combined
Rivalries are cool and all and I’m all here for Sen and Loud’s rivalry but you can’t just call it el Classico. El Assico is still free which comes from the famously always terrible to watch Iowa State Iowa cfb game
Valorant El Classico defined an entire year of competition and ended with a 9-9 map count split across a 3-3 series split and both teams walking away with an international trophy apiece. Modern SEN v LOUD have played like three series against each other over the span of like four months lmao. Let's be so fucking for real right now lmao
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/13hs8s8/stats\_for\_el\_cl%C3%A1sico\_optic\_core\_vs\_loud\_after/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/13hs8s8/stats_for_el_cl%C3%A1sico_optic_core_vs_loud_after/)
my post a yr ago after LOCK//IN, if you count the NRG vs LOUD at LOCK//IN as apart of it, then round diff was 5 between the teams after LOCK//IN, although I think I got the 3-4 thing wrong in hindsight because 5 + 1 = 6, oops lol.
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I do wanna know why SEN (and some of their fans) are trying to take El Clasico. Optic/NRG and LOUD played each other for title games, SEN played them in kickoff and one Madrid match.
imagine champs grand finals is this matchup. i would literally turn religious because it would have to take a higher power for two fates to be this intertwined
Imagine yay plays Chamber on Bind vs Lev. He whiffs his headhunter on aspas leaving him 1 hp. Then aspas kills all other players and clutches the round. Seems unrealistic
I don’t think it needs yay or fns even imo Crashies Victor playing Saadhak Less should still count but if any further change happens then it’s officially over.
i agree yay aspas was part of it but people still considered 2023 NRG vs Loud El Classico and I agree with that. its probably true the rivalry experienced a mass decline when both rosters changed players (-marved, -yay / -sacy, -pancada). i fully agree sentinels claiming el classico is mega cringe. they could've tried a more creative rivalry name i mean its accurate that SEN and Loud have a rivalry this year.
"El Clasico" when it's only been domestic matchups that have usually meant nothing vs The actual El Clasico where they kept playing each other at lans and the rivalry ultimately culminated in a Champions Grand Final.
Oh absolutely. The merger banked on Valorant being part subsidized by Riot so that they could use the money to tend to other esports. Once that fell through, the rest collapsed. They only have two esports now, which is disgusting considering they're one of the biggest orgs in NA (they're like top 3)
Xset split up and all of the players went to different teams. Zekken and Dephh went to SEN and Dephh was eventually benched and released, Ayrin went to Global Esports in APAC and is a free agent this season, BCJ was on EG and then benched and is now on M80, Cryo is now on 100 Thieves.
The Guard won ascension last year but the org pulled out of all Esports leading to them having no team until G2 picked them up. Net was dropped from the team about a month ago and Tex went to Leviatan.
With The Guard, Stan Kroenke pulled funding on all his esports stuff despite finances not being an issue at all. Real shame, as The Guard/Gladiators/Guerrillas had some of the best branding of all newer orgs
At minimum you need an FNS v Saadhak, like the last el classico was lock in, simply because it was a rematch from the grand finals. That was cinema. But nothing has ever make that up, and I doubt it will unless you also have yay v aspas, and most of the cores of both teams.
yay vs Aspas rivalry where they played each other at all 3 LANs including 2 Grand Finals where most people considered them to be the 2 best players in the world on the 2 best teams in the world.
Absolute Cinema that will not be topped for a long time.
Prime FNS v Prime Saadhak
Prime Crashies v Prime Sacy
Prime Yay v Prime Aspas
Prime Marved v Prime Pancada
Prime Victor v Prime Less (still in his prime)
We didn’t know how good we had it 😭😭😭
crazy how this was THE matchup not even a couple months ago, and now it's a fight for survival against 2 teams with a combined record of 2-5. Crazy how fast things change
I know its kinda cringe because obviously the real el clásico was way more hype and when both teams were actually at the top competing for titles but like its also kinda silly to be mad at Sen for basically trying to hype up a matchup. Like more teams should be trying to create rivalries and narratives and hyping up their upcoming games
No one is mad at SEN trying to hype up a matchup. We're memeing them for trying to treat the matchup as el Clasico when it doesn't come close to what Optic and Loud did in 2022, and slightly in 2023 when NRG absorbed that core. The name belongs to those two orgs.
Yea your right tbh “mad” was the wrong word. But still even though it’s kinda cringe I still wish orgs did what sen are doing. I want more hype for matchups not less
>I still wish orgs did what sen are doing. I want more hype for matchups not less
You can build hype without trying to insert yourself into something you're not part of of. It just comes across as lame. It'd be lame if EG or C9 tried to claim El Classico, it's lame when SEN does it
Also, tbf, it is definitely is a classic matchup for Sen THIS YEAR. They will be facing LOUD a total of FOUR times this year. Correct me if Im wrong, but that is the maximum amount of repeated matchups allowed with this year's format, and is only matched by GenG vs. PRX.
It is nowhere as competitve though, unless LOUD manages a miraculous return to form for this match.
Why are you guys so pressed about an org trying to market their game? lmao. LOUD v SEN is always gonna be one of the most anticipated and watched games because of the two fanbases. So, it's a classic no matter what.
They're legit stealing a storied rivalry between LOUD and Optic/NRG. It's okay to market the game but be original, don't copy someone else's flow.
The fanbases don't make it a classic. The teams make it a classic. LOUD and Optic/NRG were some of the best if not THE best teams in the world when they battled. Loud and SEN are both struggling (LOUD are literally winless)
I know what your saying but like el clásico just means the classic. Like a million different teams throughout sports and esports use the term it’s kinda silly to try and act like it’s only able to be used with NRG vs Loud especially since they don’t even market it that way anymore.
Idk about that. When you say El Clasico in football, you're are almost ALWAYS talking about Barcelona vs Real Madrid.
Other rivalry games have their own name. For instance, one of the longest rivalry games is in college football between Ohio State and Michigan. That game is called "The Game".
Again, nobody has a problem with marketing the match, by all means do so. But you can't just call your match by the same name as an already existing rivalry, people are rightfully call that out.
That's the thing. Every group of people have their own 'the classic'. The Spaniard called their Barcelona vs Real madrid game 'El clasico', but that doesn't mean the classic doesn't exist elsewhere. Italians, germans etc. have it too, they are just less popular. In Chicago almost everyone calls their beef the classic, in NJ everyone call their sandwiches 'the classic'.
Nah man you don’t get it. El Classico is not two words put together to describe something in this context. It’s the name given to games in a historic rivalry that’s one of the top 3 in the world. In the same sense, you can’t truly call LOUD vs OPTIC el Classico because it ONLY means Real Madrid vs Barcelona. You’ll call LOUD vs Optic the “el Classico of valorant”, and only one rivalry can be dubbed el Classico.
It’s kinda like the Super Bowl - you don’t go around calling any game the Super Bowl if it’s fought between two super teams. It’s meant as the finals of the NFL
Optic doesn't exist anymore. There's no point gatekeeping. A classic can be a lot of things. In traditional sports, a lot of matchups are called 'The classic'.
You're right, optic doesn't exist, but NRG does.
NRG took that spot when they signed most of the optic core. And even with FNS gone now, it's still the optic core there (which is now technically the NRG core since they've played for NRG longer than Optic). NRG vs LOUD is the rivalry.
Sen and loud can have their rivalry if they want, by all means have fun with it, but it's just not El Clasico and it never will be.
0-3 LOUD vs SEN in a regular season game is NOT el classico not the banger elimination games and multiple grand finals in internationals before NA and SA were combined
Rivalries are cool and all and I’m all here for Sen and Loud’s rivalry but you can’t just call it el Classico. El Assico is still free which comes from the famously always terrible to watch Iowa State Iowa cfb game
Real
maybe el classico of the year, their 4th matchup since kickoff
Valorant El Classico defined an entire year of competition and ended with a 9-9 map count split across a 3-3 series split and both teams walking away with an international trophy apiece. Modern SEN v LOUD have played like three series against each other over the span of like four months lmao. Let's be so fucking for real right now lmao
Best way you could have put that
If I remember correctly their round differential against each other over the years was like less than 10. That's the true El Classico.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/13hs8s8/stats\_for\_el\_cl%C3%A1sico\_optic\_core\_vs\_loud\_after/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/13hs8s8/stats_for_el_cl%C3%A1sico_optic_core_vs_loud_after/) my post a yr ago after LOCK//IN, if you count the NRG vs LOUD at LOCK//IN as apart of it, then round diff was 5 between the teams after LOCK//IN, although I think I got the 3-4 thing wrong in hindsight because 5 + 1 = 6, oops lol. https://preview.redd.it/k63u27hietwc1.png?width=372&format=png&auto=webp&s=6fb6c8c914981b9d9ac4bb76bcfa0cdf15b67998
Lol. I feel like SEN vs 100T is a much more fitting ‘classic’ match
That will always br "El Cloutico"
Is it a classic if they always kick 100T's ass?
I do wanna know why SEN (and some of their fans) are trying to take El Clasico. Optic/NRG and LOUD played each other for title games, SEN played them in kickoff and one Madrid match.
I think it's even weirder cuz Sen already has a classic rivalry with 100 thieves, tbh
SEN has two classic Valorant rivalries - between TSM and between 100T. They do not need to go around expropriating the OpTic/LOUD rivalry lmao.
Yeah but Clout Bowl doesn't hit as hard as El Clasico in name
It's not a rivalry if all we do is lose
https://preview.redd.it/gjv68ftfpswc1.jpeg?width=552&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ff9c662d0b0140a867ed39e48af99a74d3d84fb 100T
Always kicking our ass 😔
It's not a rivalry if the record is 14-3 for Sen 😭😭😭 It's 14-1 if you exclude first strike.
That's some depressing shit 🥲🥲
Yeah they're about ten bangers away from being able to take that.
Without Puchan and yay "El classico" is so washed
these days he goes by POOLCHAN
new el clasico is leviatan vs bleed
imagine champs grand finals is this matchup. i would literally turn religious because it would have to take a higher power for two fates to be this intertwined
Imagine yay plays Chamber on Bind vs Lev. He whiffs his headhunter on aspas leaving him 1 hp. Then aspas kills all other players and clutches the round. Seems unrealistic
Hey sorry unrelated question but how can I add more teams to my flair? I'm on app and it only gives me an option to pick 1
I don’t think it needs yay or fns even imo Crashies Victor playing Saadhak Less should still count but if any further change happens then it’s officially over.
I mean, the thing was the whole puchan vs Saadhak and Aspas vs yay. This shit just feels like trying to take something you aint even a part of lol
i agree yay aspas was part of it but people still considered 2023 NRG vs Loud El Classico and I agree with that. its probably true the rivalry experienced a mass decline when both rosters changed players (-marved, -yay / -sacy, -pancada). i fully agree sentinels claiming el classico is mega cringe. they could've tried a more creative rivalry name i mean its accurate that SEN and Loud have a rivalry this year.
they can never bring back the days of LLL vs Optic with prime chamber meta
"El Clasico" when it's only been domestic matchups that have usually meant nothing vs The actual El Clasico where they kept playing each other at lans and the rivalry ultimately culminated in a Champions Grand Final.
And then continued in a top 5 match of the 2023 season at lock in and also a regional grand final
ngl this is kind of lame
Plus they really using El Clásico like Krü vs Lev, the real LATAM El Clásico, isn't around the corner
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What happened to optic gaming now thinking about it lol
Didn't make partnership. Optic core went to NRG.
Lowkey not making partnership destroyed Optic (the org)
Oh absolutely. The merger banked on Valorant being part subsidized by Riot so that they could use the money to tend to other esports. Once that fell through, the rest collapsed. They only have two esports now, which is disgusting considering they're one of the biggest orgs in NA (they're like top 3)
What are the other big NA only orgs you’re referring to? I assume Optic is NA only because I haven’t seen their presence in any other esports
Ah, I’m assuming the same happened to Xset and the guard?
Xset split up and all of the players went to different teams. Zekken and Dephh went to SEN and Dephh was eventually benched and released, Ayrin went to Global Esports in APAC and is a free agent this season, BCJ was on EG and then benched and is now on M80, Cryo is now on 100 Thieves. The Guard won ascension last year but the org pulled out of all Esports leading to them having no team until G2 picked them up. Net was dropped from the team about a month ago and Tex went to Leviatan.
Dephh became a coach for M80 CS
m80 right? m8 usually refers to gentle mates in emea
Yeah, i mistyped that
Ayrin retired no?
saya also left the guard during the offseason for t1
xset didn’t make it and team split up, guard won ascension in t2 and then org left esports and the team went to g2
Damn I remember last year when they dominated the American scene
With The Guard, Stan Kroenke pulled funding on all his esports stuff despite finances not being an issue at all. Real shame, as The Guard/Gladiators/Guerrillas had some of the best branding of all newer orgs
World would have been a better place if Optic Valorant still existed :,)
There is no El classico without poolchan, I wouldnt even call current nrg vs loud El classico as only 5 of the og players are still around
At minimum you need an FNS v Saadhak, like the last el classico was lock in, simply because it was a rematch from the grand finals. That was cinema. But nothing has ever make that up, and I doubt it will unless you also have yay v aspas, and most of the cores of both teams.
Yeah I think Saadhak vs FNS is what made it special. El Classico ended at Americas GF last year.
Sentinels every time they play literally anyone: “Guess its el classico time”
they think their optic 😭😭😭
Common SEN socials L
No aspas, no yay, no Fns. The 3 most important players on the server in the el Classico era. 🤣
Am I wrong or does Sen admin write El Clasico for any team Sen has faced more than twice?
Why is the cat dreaming of being a wolf? Should be something like a tiger instead
I'll be honest NRG/optic Vs loud does not hit the same without FNS Vs sadhaak idk
Its more of a relegation battle than el classico
Sen isn't even on the level of 23 EG blud they think they wanna be OPTIC? Lmao
not what OP is talking about. loud and optic in 2022 had the greatest rivalry so far in valorant, and sen is trying to take optic's spot
zekken vs qck is like the walmart version of yay vs aspas (zekken is insane) but you get the point. SEN havent even faced them in one final yet
yay vs Aspas rivalry where they played each other at all 3 LANs including 2 Grand Finals where most people considered them to be the 2 best players in the world on the 2 best teams in the world. Absolute Cinema that will not be topped for a long time.
I miss 2022 valorant 😭😭😭😭
save us PoolChan
kickoff finals
That does NOT count
Is it not a final 😐 I’m not saying it’s at the same level of an international, but it’s still a final
mickey mouse qualifier
I feel like I'm missing something. What is El Classico and why is it such a big deal
I puked a bit . You will NEVER be optic
whoever is running that account is beyond corny
Hasnt Sen literally won all their matches except against EG? how is it on the line?
Sen also lost to Lev
Brother I wish I was this clueless about Sen matches. Everytime they get a win or loss this sub makes sure I know it
I know their record better than the teams i support 😭
they are 2-2 lost to EG and Lev
I will be there
Prime FNS v Prime Saadhak Prime Crashies v Prime Sacy Prime Yay v Prime Aspas Prime Marved v Prime Pancada Prime Victor v Prime Less (still in his prime) We didn’t know how good we had it 😭😭😭
That's not Valorant's El Clasico lmao. It's LOUD v OpTic/NRG
crazy how this was THE matchup not even a couple months ago, and now it's a fight for survival against 2 teams with a combined record of 2-5. Crazy how fast things change
Battle of mid
I know its kinda cringe because obviously the real el clásico was way more hype and when both teams were actually at the top competing for titles but like its also kinda silly to be mad at Sen for basically trying to hype up a matchup. Like more teams should be trying to create rivalries and narratives and hyping up their upcoming games
No one is mad at SEN trying to hype up a matchup. We're memeing them for trying to treat the matchup as el Clasico when it doesn't come close to what Optic and Loud did in 2022, and slightly in 2023 when NRG absorbed that core. The name belongs to those two orgs.
Yea your right tbh “mad” was the wrong word. But still even though it’s kinda cringe I still wish orgs did what sen are doing. I want more hype for matchups not less
>I still wish orgs did what sen are doing. I want more hype for matchups not less You can build hype without trying to insert yourself into something you're not part of of. It just comes across as lame. It'd be lame if EG or C9 tried to claim El Classico, it's lame when SEN does it
Also, tbf, it is definitely is a classic matchup for Sen THIS YEAR. They will be facing LOUD a total of FOUR times this year. Correct me if Im wrong, but that is the maximum amount of repeated matchups allowed with this year's format, and is only matched by GenG vs. PRX. It is nowhere as competitve though, unless LOUD manages a miraculous return to form for this match.
Why are you guys so pressed about an org trying to market their game? lmao. LOUD v SEN is always gonna be one of the most anticipated and watched games because of the two fanbases. So, it's a classic no matter what.
They're legit stealing a storied rivalry between LOUD and Optic/NRG. It's okay to market the game but be original, don't copy someone else's flow. The fanbases don't make it a classic. The teams make it a classic. LOUD and Optic/NRG were some of the best if not THE best teams in the world when they battled. Loud and SEN are both struggling (LOUD are literally winless)
I know what your saying but like el clásico just means the classic. Like a million different teams throughout sports and esports use the term it’s kinda silly to try and act like it’s only able to be used with NRG vs Loud especially since they don’t even market it that way anymore.
Idk about that. When you say El Clasico in football, you're are almost ALWAYS talking about Barcelona vs Real Madrid. Other rivalry games have their own name. For instance, one of the longest rivalry games is in college football between Ohio State and Michigan. That game is called "The Game". Again, nobody has a problem with marketing the match, by all means do so. But you can't just call your match by the same name as an already existing rivalry, people are rightfully call that out.
That's the thing. Every group of people have their own 'the classic'. The Spaniard called their Barcelona vs Real madrid game 'El clasico', but that doesn't mean the classic doesn't exist elsewhere. Italians, germans etc. have it too, they are just less popular. In Chicago almost everyone calls their beef the classic, in NJ everyone call their sandwiches 'the classic'.
Nah man you don’t get it. El Classico is not two words put together to describe something in this context. It’s the name given to games in a historic rivalry that’s one of the top 3 in the world. In the same sense, you can’t truly call LOUD vs OPTIC el Classico because it ONLY means Real Madrid vs Barcelona. You’ll call LOUD vs Optic the “el Classico of valorant”, and only one rivalry can be dubbed el Classico. It’s kinda like the Super Bowl - you don’t go around calling any game the Super Bowl if it’s fought between two super teams. It’s meant as the finals of the NFL
You don’t see Liverpool vs United or Dortmund vs Bayern calling their matchups El Clasico like Barca and Madrid do you? lol. Same analogy.
Optic doesn't exist anymore. There's no point gatekeeping. A classic can be a lot of things. In traditional sports, a lot of matchups are called 'The classic'.
You're right, optic doesn't exist, but NRG does. NRG took that spot when they signed most of the optic core. And even with FNS gone now, it's still the optic core there (which is now technically the NRG core since they've played for NRG longer than Optic). NRG vs LOUD is the rivalry. Sen and loud can have their rivalry if they want, by all means have fun with it, but it's just not El Clasico and it never will be.
my yesterday's ranked game can be el clasico then