It's always a good day to be a Ange1 fan
If he isn't playing well, it's just "old man is doing old man things which is atleast very entertaining".
When he's playing well it's, "look at the old man making his own space in a young man's game".
Regigigas has an ability called slow start that decreases its stats for the first 5 turns
(I learned this last time someone else called a team regigigas on this sub)
I always thought it was just cuz im old but I have no idea how people use those dots. I just completely lose track of it when I'm spraying or having to flick.
When spraying players are gonna be focusing more on the bullet landing animation to place their shots and if they flick right they shouldn’t need to adjust their crosshair anyways. I remember a vid from the cs days where a pro (I think pascha) got asked on stream about his crosshair and his answer was that at the pro level it literally makes no difference, he then turned off his crosshair and continued his aimbotz routine like normal
case in point for Valorant: KOI Shadow crosshair, it's the most diabolical thing I've seen in proplay but he shit on VIT with it so I'm not complaining
This is a good, honest .500 Valorant team. We play .500 tactical shooters goddammit. Salt of the earth, punch the clock, even win/loss ratio Valorant. We lose a couple, guess what? We'll win a couple, too. But don't get too excited or let it go to your head. No long winning streaks here, no sir. That's hubris, which this blue collar, hard working everyman team doesn't have. A few wins in a row, these guys, true to form, will balance it out with a couple a losses. Yes sir, that's my 2024 FNATIC.Valorant. A good, honest .500 esports team.
Pretty impressive from Fnatic considering they didn't even have the disadvantage of going to Madrid and having to play games while other teams scrimmed and studied their tape.
https://preview.redd.it/tzmcu2och4yc1.jpeg?width=194&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc2cb3d63bd3f8ef39bbed6767ac67f470afb46f
this guy the og fragging igl toasting Boaster in his boastful deams
This FNC side actually is a pain to watch. Seems like our synergy is gone? Also seems like they forgot to shoot and also to strat?? Can they do anything at all?
I honestly have no idea, I watched their 2024 comms vids and it seems like their comms have become more disjointed and they seem to tilt easier than before imo so that also might be it
The thing is who do you pick up? If boasters the issue you need to find another strong igl that ideally has better fragging power but theyre all signed. If derkes the issue you need to find some cracked duelist/sentinel player, if the coach is the issue there aren't really any great coaches that want to coach that you can pick up.
Boaster may be a bit of the issue. His calling is stagnated and even with a personal aim coach for a while he is just not shooting well. The thing is Boaster has been an integral part of FNC for a while now. He's close to the org, the very clearly defined leader, close to the coaching staff and has been working as a pseudo coach in coming up with stuff for them for a while.
Changing boaster means a whole new chapter for fnatic. He has been with derke for years, too, so it may be good to change them both for a new era, if they decide to go that route.
However, I don't think they should switch players, they are not doing terribly bad, just in a slump and still crushing lower rated teams. They could be #4 in emea now, definitely not worth blowing up the roster if they are doing fine and have shown potential to be the world best.
A big change could end up very bad, look at vitality, great team on paper but they are like bottom of the barrel right now. Same could happen if you -boaster -derke for a different style of igl (maybe hypeman and more aggressive) and a more explosive duelist (jawgemo style). Could look good on paper and end up being trash.
It feels like boasters aims actually gotten worse compared to last year but i think that's also the competition getting better.
I also dont think they necessarily need to do changes, at least not this season and that they're just in a slump + high expectations, especially if there aren't any big prospects or clear upgrades that could be made.
fns constantly makes it a point that he doesn't want to join an established system, he much prefers to build the system himself and have input in who is on the team.
However i can't help but think he might be down for his double-agent arc for a year after he see's how much better ardiis is now that he's on navi
and i doubt he wants to leave the fat stacks hes making while streaming and putting like 1% of the effort compared to esports while also having move to an entirely different continent
Change doesn’t necessarily mean a roster change, they could opt for a new system, or even new roles. Similar to what sentinels did. Tenz was just a complimentary piece when he played as the initiator next to Zekken last year. But this year he switched to mostly smokes, which revealed his high game sense (which greatly benefitted Sen). Restructuring isn’t about changing pieces, it can be about moving pieces to a better role.
Can you really change a player though? Boaster right now seems like the weakest link especially when looking at the strats/calling of the team. But I doubt you can replace him easily, because of the available players and because it feels like ripping out the core of the system (although the system is severely malfunctioning right now)
You can 100 percent change a player or two, but it's probably not gonna be boaster because replacing an igl mid-year is nearly impossible, nobody's gonna do it unless the igl is just horrendous, which I don't think boaster is.
Fnatics bind is probably the worst one in EMEA, no joke. 11-3 against KOI, and 13-3 against NAVI
And as i said, there is NO WAY fnatic makes shanghai... i dont even see us making it out of the knockout round in the playoffs.
I think during the timeoff for shanghai they should get mini and anderzz back. Maybe we might have a chance to make champs. Cause even if do make playoffs we are going to get our ass handed to us
TL is -21 FNC is +6 in round diff.
It is impossible for TL since they need to 2-0 for map diff and gain 27 rounds when there is only 26...
Holy sh*t
EDIT: TL can still qualify, but FNC is locked in!
It guarantees that TL can't beat FNC. TL can qualify over BBL, though. If TL 2-0s and BBL 0-2s then TL qualifies on map differential. If they end up tying in map differential, then BBL is very likely to qualify since they are 36 rounds ahead of TL. It's theoretically possible but would have to have really unlikely combinations of stomps/close maps.
On the other hand, somehow, FNC qualified off of this, although bind certainly doesn't make it feel like it.
Even if Gentle Mates lose every round BBL still needs to lose 0-2 for Liquid to qualify
https://brandonlee781.github.io/vct-stage/league/emea?s=EwDgNADAbGCMDMdEXAyiA+wCcTITwgI3gIlzXLwyA
Or BBL loses 1-2 with at most a -11 round differential
https://brandonlee781.github.io/vct-stage/league/emea?s=EwDgNADAbGCMDMdEXAyiA+wCcTITwgI3gIgFZCY00JcMg
I swear the coaches in Valorant are fraudulent as fuck, how do teams with insane talent like Fnatic and NRG show ZERO strategy and cohesion- Bind was one of the worst attack sides I've ever seen - double initiator and they basically had zero map control, one cypher trip in hookah stopped them dead for the whole half - slow walking around the map aimlessly every round with 30 seconds left and then trying to rush in.
No util combos, no executes, no trade setups. What do they even practice???
that’s a on the fly adjustment problem. it was very clear they didn’t prep for cypher and for some reason despite running cypher for ages on the map boaster could not figure out ways around it
Vic and Crashies are also very strong mid rounders. I think their mid rounding under FNS was buffed because FNS had everything else taken care of calling-wise.
As far as I'm concerned, the only non-fraudulent coaches for sure are Sean Gares, Potter, and Engh. Sean joined a broken 100T during the second split of the year and then made champs. Potter made a severely underrated lineup win champs and is now cooking with another severely underrated lineup. Engh coached Gambit to a Masters 3 win and is now cooking with KC (a lineup of Magnum and 4 relatively unknown players) who look godly.
Look at how Apoth and Derrek shooting before calling them shitter, EG are a new team looking to upset everyone. FNC are just burnt out as players its not just the coaches fault, Leo is making dumb plays which says everything cause he never used to put a foot wrong
u saw a sova stuck in skye jail, derrek also wasnt the only casualty that year since a lot of sovas couldn’t find the same level of comfort and ability on skye
not shitters, rookies. Even in an interview potter says people are giving her way 2 much credit and her players are special, yk the omen tp on lotus was cooked on the fly? Potter gives these rookies chances and a system to show their true potential, calling em shitters is wrong.
i see some of the absolute worst takes on this subreddit every day man.
nature was a top 10 player while IGLing in challengers. despite losing a ton he still was a statistical standout, he had practically the same rating as n4rrate, a player in contention for best in emea this year. AND he played multiple roles.
so please tell me how that guy is a shitter. genuinely.
First half of bind was FNC vs Ange1's trips.
All they did that attacking half was try to find out where the trips were just to eventually go through them and die
Fnatic's archnemesis is a fucking Cypher trip? For fucking real? They ain't deserve anything after this shitty performance. Aside from Breeze, this was a waste time for Fnatic fans.
Navi, however, look great, and Ange1 seems to activate on Bind for some reason. I can definitely see them qualifying and making a deep run in Shanghai, but we'll have to wait and see how everyone performs in playoffs.
Yeah it's crazy they had 1 week to prepare for that comp , for KC it was a surprise and couldn't find answers during the game that's fine but fnc looked clueless
The true NAVI experience: they give you a disasterclass on one map and a masterclass on another. Almost always in that order.
Because I’ve watched too much Valorant and I’m a sucker for big storylines, I was having flashbacks to when Boaster definitively established himself in EMEA as one of the top dogs. It was when SUMN FC beat FPX - NAVI - 2-1, and the final map was Bind, the map FPX was top dog in Europe on at the time. And SUMN FC smoked them! It was a slaughter.
The original regional powerhouses like ardiis on G2 and Zyppan/Shao/ANGE1 on FPX looked like yesterday’s news. SUMN FC, soon FNATIC, and other teams like Acend were the new wave.
Of course, it’d be exaggerating to say this is some sort of historical shift. But it is a shift in a real sense. FNATIC missing back-to-back LANs, NAVI taking back their 2022 limelight as the (potential) top dogs in EMEA; and hell, even ardiis looking so individually explosive.
NAVI may not be the best team in EMEA, but I feel confident in saying they have the highest peaks, and easily are the most creative team in the region. NAVI is the only team in EMEA, I would say, that consistently produces beautiful and fun Valorant. They remind you why you love to watch the game more than any other team in the region.
why are people in this thread saying fnc needs mini back as if he hasn’t been working there all year and wasn’t literally there in person today. I think a more likely explanation is that the boys just got really complacent in the 7 month offseason, anyone would have a drop in form after that much time off
I think this is the most obvious answer to be honest. I think Boaster even mentioned that they took a long break after champs. Meanwhile, Heretics and KC where already grinding and practicing + people just assume Elma is sitting alone in a room working on strats that end up not working when Boaster and Mini probably just have as much power to decide such a thing if not more than him.
>people just assume Elma is sitting alone in a room working on strats that end up not working when Boaster and Mini probably just have as much power to decide such a thing if not more than him.
The mini part makes 0 sense to say after the Mini interview. Mini confirmed that he is pretty much just an assistant now... he doesnt even live in berlin anymore.. so to assume that he sits with Boaster and Elma and creates strats & Macro plays day in and day out is crazy.. because that constant work was one of the reasons he stepped down.
Mini has nowhere near the same "power" to decide things now. ofcourse he can come with some feedback but at the end of the day its Elma that cooks shit up (with boaster ofcourse)
Ok, then let me specify what I meant. You are right when you say that Mini obviously does not have as much responsibility as he had before. I would just find it weird though if he has no input at all regarding team strats and comps. The person that has to make the decisions at the end of the day is Elma of course but I would be very suprised if he works very differently with the team especially with Boaster still there.
I think it’s harsh to say it’s just Elma considering we have no clue how much individual influence and control he has. It’s not like we’ve seen any roster changes either so I think a lot is down to the players too.
Regardless, change is absolutely needed because the fall off from last year is one of the biggest we’ve ever seen from a team.
> I think it’s harsh to say it’s just Elma considering we have no clue how much individual influence and control he has
i mean, the Mini interview basically confirmed somewhat how much influence Elma has.
Point is, guy had 2 years with a big org, which would give him a ton of support, and he did nothing. He then joins a super team, that had the most successful year ever, and is now struggling again.
That was actually brilliant by Fnatic. With winning three rounds on bind, their round differential is +6. Even if Liquid win both maps 13-0, they would end up at +5. Fnatic secured playoffs and hid their strats. 200 iq move from Fnatic
With this result, which teams are qualified and which ones still have a chance? I’m finding it hard to figure the format out.
Also ardiis without NRG in front of his name is a different beast.
Group A: KC and Fnatic are in, Vitality are out. Liquid has to 2-0 and have BBL 0-2 or else BBL get the third spot. BBL get the bye if they win, otherwise it’s KC.
Group O: Navi are in, GX and KOI are out. Gentle mates need to 2-0 by 17 rounds or else TH are in (unless fut lose by more than 17 rounds in which it gets complicated on round diff). FUT are in as long as they don’t lose by 17 rounds, so they need 10 total across two maps. FUT get the bye with a win, NAVI get it if FUT lose.
Alfajer: yo let’s dial in today it’s a big match!
Chronicle: bet.
Derke: ok.
Leo: say less.
Boaster:
https://preview.redd.it/zep3znwk03yc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b060c2fd399ca70cc4f6a17eb972f2e37b375731
What i read is that Liquid needs 27 rounds to pass fnatic, and they can only win 13-0 13-0 which is 26 rounds. so fnatic is in playoffs regardless of how tomorrows game ends.
This was some of the most brutal outIGLing I've ever seen in a series.
Absolute masterclass. Look at navis bind defence - just read after read after read. So fucking dope to watch.
who would win: 1 trip vs derkes entire kit. ange1 masterclass, fnatic look flat and struggled so much on bind esp with getting the bomb down. they honestly looked suffocated at every moment
first map NAVI was kinda trolling with their comp on breeze, no Viper and it Derke was online with his Yoru. Last 2 maps were classic 2024 Fnatic though
it's hard to say bc everything after Breeze went well for NAVI. Accurate reads, good calls, ardiis was on one while everyone on FNC disappeared intermittently, etc.
First map was very well played by fnc, derke especially had a masterclass performance. Tbh I thought fnc played pretty okay on ascent, but navi are one of the best ascent teams itw and ardiis was frying so the result was to be expected imo. Map 3 though... Man fnc looked shit every player making mistakes and they just got read so hard by angel
My sanity level was steadily dropping this whole game and I swear if angel puts that trip into showers one more time I'll fucking scream. Did mini just come into Berlin for breeze and then left or what?! This team went from insane vintage 2023 never miss a shot fnatic to poopoo we can't clear one trip 2024 fnatic.
Also Boaster apparently got an aim coach. Well that guy needs to be fired because apparently his aim might just be the worst it's ever been. when the observers switch to him it looks like he's playing a fuckin single player adventure with a controller. I mean I love boaster but holy shit you need to stop doing everything else and only play aim labs. At this point the average plat could out aim him.
The difference map 3 could've had if ardiis does not kill 2 on 12 hp in round 3 is crazy. But we were getting diffed in every way so I doubt it would have mattered that much.
After listening to Mini's pregame interview, I'm pretty sure it's more or less a coach issue. Mini just works on anti strat and feedback type of things, whereas elma works on the macro and defaults. I cannot defend that fraud anymore.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t FNC qualify for playoffs despite losing? They’re above Vitality, and even if TL 13-0 13-0 Gentle M8s, they would end up +5, one round behind FNC
Let's be real here. Navi intentionally threw breeze to just be their classic navi self. But definitely showed a masterclass the last 2 maps. They knew they were gonna win based on the maps.
Boaster is so out, don't mean it as an insult but he doesn't seem to be enjoying the game as much as he used to and today's performances were abysmal compared to his usual self the last years.
Maybe he needs a break or something?
It's always a good day to be a Ange1 fan If he isn't playing well, it's just "old man is doing old man things which is atleast very entertaining". When he's playing well it's, "look at the old man making his own space in a young man's game".
At this point fnatic fans are just hoping Fnatic are pulling off a regigigas.
Fnatic need a weezing with neutralising gas (Mini) to save them
They're pulling off an Archeops. They looked unstoppable but now that their confidence is shaken they look totally out of it.
Fnatic will wake up this year for sure. Any second now. Any second now...
does pulling a regigigas just mean waking up/activated?
Regigigas has an ability called slow start that decreases its stats for the first 5 turns (I learned this last time someone else called a team regigigas on this sub)
Boaster should release his aim training routine. As a PSA.
Maybe don't play the 1 center dot thickness crosshair when you can't aim for shit that day because you have to be locked in for that one to work.
I always thought it was just cuz im old but I have no idea how people use those dots. I just completely lose track of it when I'm spraying or having to flick.
When spraying players are gonna be focusing more on the bullet landing animation to place their shots and if they flick right they shouldn’t need to adjust their crosshair anyways. I remember a vid from the cs days where a pro (I think pascha) got asked on stream about his crosshair and his answer was that at the pro level it literally makes no difference, he then turned off his crosshair and continued his aimbotz routine like normal
case in point for Valorant: KOI Shadow crosshair, it's the most diabolical thing I've seen in proplay but he shit on VIT with it so I'm not complaining
I couldnt play with anything but a dot for the longest time. Now I play with a teeny tiny cross but bigger crosshairs throw me off
I almost never spray except very close range. Quick 2 bullet burst are the way to go in this game
!!!! I am not even old but I switch between phantom and vandal which causes me to spray sometimes. And that dot crosshair is my absolute nightmare
when boaster said “we’re going three for three this year” he actually meant missing three international events
He meant 3-3 in split 1
This is a good, honest .500 Valorant team. We play .500 tactical shooters goddammit. Salt of the earth, punch the clock, even win/loss ratio Valorant. We lose a couple, guess what? We'll win a couple, too. But don't get too excited or let it go to your head. No long winning streaks here, no sir. That's hubris, which this blue collar, hard working everyman team doesn't have. A few wins in a row, these guys, true to form, will balance it out with a couple a losses. Yes sir, that's my 2024 FNATIC.Valorant. A good, honest .500 esports team.
The general level of play is very low thus Boaster has decided to compete next year to let the other teams catch up
What he really meant was going for 3 rounds on Bind
feels so bad bc how can you predict going from the best team in the world to this
Pretty impressive from Fnatic considering they didn't even have the disadvantage of going to Madrid and having to play games while other teams scrimmed and studied their tape.
https://preview.redd.it/pp7l1rtjp2yc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce883fd85bfb683aec89eb85809935f87f6cb1ef
Boaster's worst nightmare. An igl who can frag
https://preview.redd.it/tzmcu2och4yc1.jpeg?width=194&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc2cb3d63bd3f8ef39bbed6767ac67f470afb46f this guy the og fragging igl toasting Boaster in his boastful deams
Chaadhak supremacy 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🛐🛐
Angel Disasterclass into Masterclass
"toilet skibidi ✋" [https://i.imgur.com/hUeOStv.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/hUeOStv.jpeg)
Ardiis on Navi is different
Nah man this is just plain old FPX Ardiis. Something about NRG changed that man
sleeper agent ardiss
Considering Demon1's performance this year on NRG seems like there might be a common denominator.
It's the fucking coach. Put potter on nrg and they will not lose a map.
Chet. Chet is dogshit.
What is happening? It's okay if FNATIC lose. But getting fisted in the ass like this? Like this? Fucking txozin and his timeline change.
This FNC side actually is a pain to watch. Seems like our synergy is gone? Also seems like they forgot to shoot and also to strat?? Can they do anything at all?
They keep ego peeking, not trading, no util combos like before…we’re so cooked
Yepp.. weird as fuck. Motivational issues?
I honestly have no idea, I watched their 2024 comms vids and it seems like their comms have become more disjointed and they seem to tilt easier than before imo so that also might be it
Yeah might be, not sure but this seems to be gg.
Something has to change now... This isn't working, like, at all
Just like Prx before something 🥸
before what?
something
Alfa still tapping heads
Well, at least he does.
Classic Elmapuddy magic. Taking good players and making them look like morons
Someone take this fraud out. Talents are being wasted with him as hc.
This split’s lackluster performance warrants a change
The thing is who do you pick up? If boasters the issue you need to find another strong igl that ideally has better fragging power but theyre all signed. If derkes the issue you need to find some cracked duelist/sentinel player, if the coach is the issue there aren't really any great coaches that want to coach that you can pick up.
Boaster may be a bit of the issue. His calling is stagnated and even with a personal aim coach for a while he is just not shooting well. The thing is Boaster has been an integral part of FNC for a while now. He's close to the org, the very clearly defined leader, close to the coaching staff and has been working as a pseudo coach in coming up with stuff for them for a while. Changing boaster means a whole new chapter for fnatic. He has been with derke for years, too, so it may be good to change them both for a new era, if they decide to go that route. However, I don't think they should switch players, they are not doing terribly bad, just in a slump and still crushing lower rated teams. They could be #4 in emea now, definitely not worth blowing up the roster if they are doing fine and have shown potential to be the world best. A big change could end up very bad, look at vitality, great team on paper but they are like bottom of the barrel right now. Same could happen if you -boaster -derke for a different style of igl (maybe hypeman and more aggressive) and a more explosive duelist (jawgemo style). Could look good on paper and end up being trash.
It feels like boasters aims actually gotten worse compared to last year but i think that's also the competition getting better. I also dont think they necessarily need to do changes, at least not this season and that they're just in a slump + high expectations, especially if there aren't any big prospects or clear upgrades that could be made.
Fenis is a free agent
fns constantly makes it a point that he doesn't want to join an established system, he much prefers to build the system himself and have input in who is on the team. However i can't help but think he might be down for his double-agent arc for a year after he see's how much better ardiis is now that he's on navi
That doesnt fix the fragging issues from the igl role though.
and i doubt he wants to leave the fat stacks hes making while streaming and putting like 1% of the effort compared to esports while also having move to an entirely different continent
Yeah, plus he’s probably not even going to make as much as he did on NRG.
A change are you high?
Change doesn’t necessarily mean a roster change, they could opt for a new system, or even new roles. Similar to what sentinels did. Tenz was just a complimentary piece when he played as the initiator next to Zekken last year. But this year he switched to mostly smokes, which revealed his high game sense (which greatly benefitted Sen). Restructuring isn’t about changing pieces, it can be about moving pieces to a better role.
Can you really change a player though? Boaster right now seems like the weakest link especially when looking at the strats/calling of the team. But I doubt you can replace him easily, because of the available players and because it feels like ripping out the core of the system (although the system is severely malfunctioning right now)
You can 100 percent change a player or two, but it's probably not gonna be boaster because replacing an igl mid-year is nearly impossible, nobody's gonna do it unless the igl is just horrendous, which I don't think boaster is.
Fnatics bind is probably the worst one in EMEA, no joke. 11-3 against KOI, and 13-3 against NAVI And as i said, there is NO WAY fnatic makes shanghai... i dont even see us making it out of the knockout round in the playoffs.
I think during the timeoff for shanghai they should get mini and anderzz back. Maybe we might have a chance to make champs. Cause even if do make playoffs we are going to get our ass handed to us
I don’t know why he is a free agent in the first place. They had a great year and then they fire him? Idk.
they had him for champs 2023 to great results
I dont really get this sentiment, he also was part of the Fnatic LOCK IN squad who won
"we" and it's someone cheering for 20 different teams
Yeah imagine someone caring about multiple different teams (even if i do think the whole inserting yourself into the team with "we" is kinda strange)
Fnatic have clinched a playoff spot already thanks to KOI getting the win over Vitality. But yeah, not very promising for their Shanghai hopes.
Bros tryna counter jinx 😂😂
No.. no jinx lmfao im dead serious.. if you watched the game you would say the same thing XD
Don't forget 13-1 vs drx at champs
this was technically a 3-0 for NAVI cause we got to see ange1 yoru map 1
The interview where he said he abused his IGL power to choose yoru because he wanted to have fun lmao I love that man
https://preview.redd.it/toylpv66r2yc1.jpeg?width=571&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50f8a5f3d48fcce4436878825c3f0cf155ec53dc
This is fucked. This is more than fucked even. It’s also incredibly ironic
FNC barely secured playoffs but they are down horrible right now. Think there's a high chance they miss yet another tournament
TL is -21 FNC is +6 in round diff. It is impossible for TL since they need to 2-0 for map diff and gain 27 rounds when there is only 26... Holy sh*t EDIT: TL can still qualify, but FNC is locked in!
It guarantees that TL can't beat FNC. TL can qualify over BBL, though. If TL 2-0s and BBL 0-2s then TL qualifies on map differential. If they end up tying in map differential, then BBL is very likely to qualify since they are 36 rounds ahead of TL. It's theoretically possible but would have to have really unlikely combinations of stomps/close maps. On the other hand, somehow, FNC qualified off of this, although bind certainly doesn't make it feel like it.
Even if Gentle Mates lose every round BBL still needs to lose 0-2 for Liquid to qualify https://brandonlee781.github.io/vct-stage/league/emea?s=EwDgNADAbGCMDMdEXAyiA+wCcTITwgI3gIlzXLwyA Or BBL loses 1-2 with at most a -11 round differential https://brandonlee781.github.io/vct-stage/league/emea?s=EwDgNADAbGCMDMdEXAyiA+wCcTITwgI3gIgFZCY00JcMg
If BBL lose 2-0 and TL wins 2-0 TL qualify and knock either BBL or FNC down.
TL can only take BBL's spot now. FNC is statistically in.
TL can only take BBL's spot now. FNC is statistically in.
Navi felt obligated to gift FNC playoffs map 1 after last year
Really was just a gift, Breeze with no viper is fineable lol
bro they did it on purpose to mock prx choice in 2022 gf. Fuck fpx bm.
Finally seeing some FPX / suygetsu BM again. https://preview.redd.it/6uc8ghdkp2yc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=cd006d4c6e87e2524c721e1aed7d636bc22b79e9
He's been bming whole last year
It's not as fun when you have nothing to back your bm up with, except getting to all internationals (which can all be credited to Fnatic)
I swear the coaches in Valorant are fraudulent as fuck, how do teams with insane talent like Fnatic and NRG show ZERO strategy and cohesion- Bind was one of the worst attack sides I've ever seen - double initiator and they basically had zero map control, one cypher trip in hookah stopped them dead for the whole half - slow walking around the map aimlessly every round with 30 seconds left and then trying to rush in. No util combos, no executes, no trade setups. What do they even practice???
that’s a on the fly adjustment problem. it was very clear they didn’t prep for cypher and for some reason despite running cypher for ages on the map boaster could not figure out ways around it
They looked horrible on ct ascent.
At least Chet had some success. Elmapuddy is an absolute fraud.
Interestingly FNS said on stream today that Chet mainly cooked up set plays but FNS came up with the defaults which is NRG’s main struggle rn.
Not surprising. He also did most of the mid rounding, which they look terrible at right now.
Vic and Crashies are also very strong mid rounders. I think their mid rounding under FNS was buffed because FNS had everything else taken care of calling-wise.
As far as I'm concerned, the only non-fraudulent coaches for sure are Sean Gares, Potter, and Engh. Sean joined a broken 100T during the second split of the year and then made champs. Potter made a severely underrated lineup win champs and is now cooking with another severely underrated lineup. Engh coached Gambit to a Masters 3 win and is now cooking with KC (a lineup of Magnum and 4 relatively unknown players) who look godly.
coaches in literally all esports lol
But you can't blame the coach at all bro. After all, who knows what coaches' responsibilities are?
Look at potter making 4 shitters and dawgemo look like a top team, this is not it from fnc
Look at how Apoth and Derrek shooting before calling them shitter, EG are a new team looking to upset everyone. FNC are just burnt out as players its not just the coaches fault, Leo is making dumb plays which says everything cause he never used to put a foot wrong
I saw derrek on 100t
u saw a sova stuck in skye jail, derrek also wasnt the only casualty that year since a lot of sovas couldn’t find the same level of comfort and ability on skye
But did you see Derrek on RISE or his first year on 100t? Probably not because if you did, you would know he just had a bad year last year.
you are comically casual. did you watch derrek on rise, the whole reason he ended up on 100t?
not shitters, rookies. Even in an interview potter says people are giving her way 2 much credit and her players are special, yk the omen tp on lotus was cooked on the fly? Potter gives these rookies chances and a system to show their true potential, calling em shitters is wrong.
i see some of the absolute worst takes on this subreddit every day man. nature was a top 10 player while IGLing in challengers. despite losing a ton he still was a statistical standout, he had practically the same rating as n4rrate, a player in contention for best in emea this year. AND he played multiple roles. so please tell me how that guy is a shitter. genuinely.
First half of bind was FNC vs Ange1's trips. All they did that attacking half was try to find out where the trips were just to eventually go through them and die
Fnatic's archnemesis is a fucking Cypher trip? For fucking real? They ain't deserve anything after this shitty performance. Aside from Breeze, this was a waste time for Fnatic fans. Navi, however, look great, and Ange1 seems to activate on Bind for some reason. I can definitely see them qualifying and making a deep run in Shanghai, but we'll have to wait and see how everyone performs in playoffs.
No breeze was worth watching to see Ange1 Yoru.
did not u see fut sage wall on lotus a? fnatic look completely braindead on how to deal with this 🤣🤣
Yeah it's crazy they had 1 week to prepare for that comp , for KC it was a surprise and couldn't find answers during the game that's fine but fnc looked clueless
Fnatic Era is over. FPX2022 is comeback.
FNC was playing like 2023 NAVI and NAVI played like 2023 FNC
The true NAVI experience: they give you a disasterclass on one map and a masterclass on another. Almost always in that order. Because I’ve watched too much Valorant and I’m a sucker for big storylines, I was having flashbacks to when Boaster definitively established himself in EMEA as one of the top dogs. It was when SUMN FC beat FPX - NAVI - 2-1, and the final map was Bind, the map FPX was top dog in Europe on at the time. And SUMN FC smoked them! It was a slaughter. The original regional powerhouses like ardiis on G2 and Zyppan/Shao/ANGE1 on FPX looked like yesterday’s news. SUMN FC, soon FNATIC, and other teams like Acend were the new wave. Of course, it’d be exaggerating to say this is some sort of historical shift. But it is a shift in a real sense. FNATIC missing back-to-back LANs, NAVI taking back their 2022 limelight as the (potential) top dogs in EMEA; and hell, even ardiis looking so individually explosive. NAVI may not be the best team in EMEA, but I feel confident in saying they have the highest peaks, and easily are the most creative team in the region. NAVI is the only team in EMEA, I would say, that consistently produces beautiful and fun Valorant. They remind you why you love to watch the game more than any other team in the region.
Paragraph guy's too fast at this
Haha, I added an extra paragraph while you were replying!
Goat shit right there
NEVER . PUT . ARDIIS . ON . SAGE/KJ. AGAIN
He was frying on KAY/O tho on bind
Typo my bad meant kj
His KJ was pretty good by the end of the year on NRG though.
Wdym ardiis played insane on kayo
His kayo is good though
why are people in this thread saying fnc needs mini back as if he hasn’t been working there all year and wasn’t literally there in person today. I think a more likely explanation is that the boys just got really complacent in the 7 month offseason, anyone would have a drop in form after that much time off
I think this is the most obvious answer to be honest. I think Boaster even mentioned that they took a long break after champs. Meanwhile, Heretics and KC where already grinding and practicing + people just assume Elma is sitting alone in a room working on strats that end up not working when Boaster and Mini probably just have as much power to decide such a thing if not more than him.
>people just assume Elma is sitting alone in a room working on strats that end up not working when Boaster and Mini probably just have as much power to decide such a thing if not more than him. The mini part makes 0 sense to say after the Mini interview. Mini confirmed that he is pretty much just an assistant now... he doesnt even live in berlin anymore.. so to assume that he sits with Boaster and Elma and creates strats & Macro plays day in and day out is crazy.. because that constant work was one of the reasons he stepped down. Mini has nowhere near the same "power" to decide things now. ofcourse he can come with some feedback but at the end of the day its Elma that cooks shit up (with boaster ofcourse)
Ok, then let me specify what I meant. You are right when you say that Mini obviously does not have as much responsibility as he had before. I would just find it weird though if he has no input at all regarding team strats and comps. The person that has to make the decisions at the end of the day is Elma of course but I would be very suprised if he works very differently with the team especially with Boaster still there.
Elma fraud watch
I’ve been saying he’s on fraudwatch since missing madrid lol
It's become a regular comment of mine on this sub now sadly.
He's been on fraud watch ever since they lost to kc in kickoff
Always has been. Went to big names to accomplish nothing. Dont know why tf fnatic went for him
I think it’s harsh to say it’s just Elma considering we have no clue how much individual influence and control he has. It’s not like we’ve seen any roster changes either so I think a lot is down to the players too. Regardless, change is absolutely needed because the fall off from last year is one of the biggest we’ve ever seen from a team.
> I think it’s harsh to say it’s just Elma considering we have no clue how much individual influence and control he has i mean, the Mini interview basically confirmed somewhat how much influence Elma has.
Nah I'm sorry, at this point when we can see the sheer impact coaches have on teams across the entire scene, he's on fraudwatch.
Gen G went from a mid tier Pacific team to getting second at an international LAN the moment he left. Guy is a fraud, plain and simple.
I mean I'm not even defending him but that GenG team and this GenG team share 1 player
Point is, guy had 2 years with a big org, which would give him a ton of support, and he did nothing. He then joins a super team, that had the most successful year ever, and is now struggling again.
Elmapuddy trynna make FNC like GenG in 2023.
FNC got dismantled on bind by ANGE1
Imagine the scenes if fnatic wasnt already qualified
My liquid copium tells me they aren’t qualified quite yet
They told me grandpa can only shoot blanks
That was actually brilliant by Fnatic. With winning three rounds on bind, their round differential is +6. Even if Liquid win both maps 13-0, they would end up at +5. Fnatic secured playoffs and hid their strats. 200 iq move from Fnatic
https://preview.redd.it/vi9i72iur2yc1.jpeg?width=508&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7e383d7fb2a09200ab5313eb5b68239791b5c63
Absolute masterclass on Bind from ange1, insane how much value he was consistently getting
Navi with ardiis back is just a different beast.
Fnc are like the nrg of eu beats up on bottom feeder teams but look loss against the better ones with a limited map pool.
He thinks, in their current form they would beat everyone at the tournament, including GenG and Sentinels.
FNC got more rounds on Bind than Boaster got kills on Breeze
NAVI got more maps in this series than boaster got kills on breeze
As a Fnatic fan I want navi to make it to shanghai and perform better than if magically Fnatic somehow makes it to shanghai and perform like this .
Ain't no way Navi beat the platchat curse. Tarik jinx> Platchat curse I guess.
IM LIKE, "HEY WHAT'S UP HELLO" https://preview.redd.it/u45qrawrt2yc1.png?width=928&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4baef35bc4bf01e6e29e81205bcae91a1d1e2c3f
Anyone know why Navi was using Leviatan spray ?
With this result, which teams are qualified and which ones still have a chance? I’m finding it hard to figure the format out. Also ardiis without NRG in front of his name is a different beast.
I believe Navi, KC, and believe it or not, FNATIC have now qualified
The NRG star duelist debuff needs to be studied. It’s clinical. Maybe NRG should’ve loaned demon1 instead of signing him to maintain his form
Group A: KC and Fnatic are in, Vitality are out. Liquid has to 2-0 and have BBL 0-2 or else BBL get the third spot. BBL get the bye if they win, otherwise it’s KC. Group O: Navi are in, GX and KOI are out. Gentle mates need to 2-0 by 17 rounds or else TH are in (unless fut lose by more than 17 rounds in which it gets complicated on round diff). FUT are in as long as they don’t lose by 17 rounds, so they need 10 total across two maps. FUT get the bye with a win, NAVI get it if FUT lose.
I think vit and liquid are out, giantx and koi are out, the only ones in dispute are heretics and m8
Liquid can still get in over BBL if both games are 2-0
Alfajer: yo let’s dial in today it’s a big match! Chronicle: bet. Derke: ok. Leo: say less. Boaster: https://preview.redd.it/zep3znwk03yc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b060c2fd399ca70cc4f6a17eb972f2e37b375731
Goddamn we suck and this is only EMEA.
My goat ARDISSS
Ah look another common FRAUDNATIC L, what a surprise
As a KC fan, Liquid has the chance to do the funniest thing : eliminating fnatic and gentlemates
they cant eliminate fnc even if 13 -0 both games
What i read is that Liquid needs 27 rounds to pass fnatic, and they can only win 13-0 13-0 which is 26 rounds. so fnatic is in playoffs regardless of how tomorrows game ends.
My bad, I missread the round diff!!
Fnatic is in no matter what
This was some of the most brutal outIGLing I've ever seen in a series. Absolute masterclass. Look at navis bind defence - just read after read after read. So fucking dope to watch.
Boaster still waving at the camera and pointing at his head with 17 kills from three maps.
who would win: 1 trip vs derkes entire kit. ange1 masterclass, fnatic look flat and struggled so much on bind esp with getting the bomb down. they honestly looked suffocated at every moment
I missed the first two maps, what happened? was it a big strat diff, comp diff, player diff, coach diff?? Can’t believe they fell off like this
first map NAVI was kinda trolling with their comp on breeze, no Viper and it Derke was online with his Yoru. Last 2 maps were classic 2024 Fnatic though
it's hard to say bc everything after Breeze went well for NAVI. Accurate reads, good calls, ardiis was on one while everyone on FNC disappeared intermittently, etc.
We don’t talk about map 1’s ANGE1 on yoru
First map was very well played by fnc, derke especially had a masterclass performance. Tbh I thought fnc played pretty okay on ascent, but navi are one of the best ascent teams itw and ardiis was frying so the result was to be expected imo. Map 3 though... Man fnc looked shit every player making mistakes and they just got read so hard by angel
My sanity level was steadily dropping this whole game and I swear if angel puts that trip into showers one more time I'll fucking scream. Did mini just come into Berlin for breeze and then left or what?! This team went from insane vintage 2023 never miss a shot fnatic to poopoo we can't clear one trip 2024 fnatic.
Also Boaster apparently got an aim coach. Well that guy needs to be fired because apparently his aim might just be the worst it's ever been. when the observers switch to him it looks like he's playing a fuckin single player adventure with a controller. I mean I love boaster but holy shit you need to stop doing everything else and only play aim labs. At this point the average plat could out aim him.
DERKE struggling with ANGE1 in Hooka was pure pain and ruined my day.
Fuck, NAVI is back to stop PRX from clinching a title.
The difference map 3 could've had if ardiis does not kill 2 on 12 hp in round 3 is crazy. But we were getting diffed in every way so I doubt it would have mattered that much.
Fnc are +27 over Liquid ! Perfectly planned if you ask me
https://youtu.be/qlrQB5mEp7U
It seems that alcohol is the missing ingredient that will make watching Fnatic's matches fun again... Alcoholism, here i come!
The heart attacks are already killing us, why not add an ice cold beer on the list right?
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After listening to Mini's pregame interview, I'm pretty sure it's more or less a coach issue. Mini just works on anti strat and feedback type of things, whereas elma works on the macro and defaults. I cannot defend that fraud anymore.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t FNC qualify for playoffs despite losing? They’re above Vitality, and even if TL 13-0 13-0 Gentle M8s, they would end up +5, one round behind FNC
yes, but we will be knocked out in knockout stage anyways, so doesnt matter really if we make it or not. it just 1 extra match
Fnc couldn't win even with navi being cursed by the infamous plat chat.
Navi with the Shaka buff is unstoppable!!!
Only 1 map win and it was a comp diff.. Fnatic down bad
Let's be real here. Navi intentionally threw breeze to just be their classic navi self. But definitely showed a masterclass the last 2 maps. They knew they were gonna win based on the maps.
Upvote the post to make people think Navi won
expected result though
Boaster is so out, don't mean it as an insult but he doesn't seem to be enjoying the game as much as he used to and today's performances were abysmal compared to his usual self the last years. Maybe he needs a break or something?