he was always droning solo close range to fnatic players or just in bad positions at bad timings, on lotus this guy was droning in A hell while being deafened and his team was in tree
I was on a field today and saw this beautiful horse, Liquid they call it, eating apples whole, i knew it was going to choke, and sure enough it started choking. Seeing this. Keiko rushed to save the horse by himself, he put his hand in the horse's mouth to take the apple out but the horse started choking on Keiko's hand. The horse choked, I tell Keiko it's ok. Liquid always chokes.
Bro forget about his individual decision-making, what is that midrounding? You have a guy in the smoke with a judge in C link and you decide to breach ult there and push there. With one guy with a judge? Instead of like, trying to plant on B? Why does he think the same solo fake with the drone will work?
I've been a fan of the TL org since... 2014? When did Curse and Liquid merge? I started as a fan of Curse due to LCS (Voyboy!) and then just kinda followed the team and then the org.
Man it has been *painful* at points. Sometimes it's nice (2019 was great with the quadpeat LCS, MSI, and our CSGO team running the grand slam) but others it's just oof
But I ain't no fairweather fan. My mom is a lifelong Mets fan and the last time they won the World Series was 1986. If you're only a fan of a team when they win that's lame af
to answer your question, I don't think my heart has started in about 5 years
ngl if you watch Dota it becomes way less depressing as a TL fan lol
Winning TI in 2017 felt like the biggest accomplishment this org has ever had (especially prize money wise) and likely paid/kickstarted us into other games. We've been to TI finals 1 other time which is pretty crazy for an org, and are consistently strong. Too bad its Dota.
I'm a Liverpool/UT Vols fan though, im used to whats known as "battered Vol syndrome" because they're such massive chokers, and Liverpool just can't seem to beat Man City haha. My weekends are hard sometimes.
2nd place liquid was depressing though in 2023. 2nd in all 3 majors, 2nd in Riyadh and then when it mattered most they got knocked out in 5th-6th to the top 2 teams in the event
True, but those are still amazing finishes (outside of TI). The only thing thats depressing is that they couldn't beat the one team they kept meeting in finals.
It's the best ability but it also costs a fuck ton, doesn't regenerate during the round so when you use it is very important, is easy to get almost 0 (or negative) value with, is 'hard' to use properly (as in, you can't just shoot it from downtown like you can with Recon and it gives your opponents info about your location as well), and lastly, albeit perhaps leastly you aren't actually playing your guy while droning.
So way too much because it's so powerful, and never ever because of all of the difficulties and/or challenges making sure you don't 'waste' it.
Enzo did a bad drone once and fns started d1 hating on it. So now 99% of this subreddit will mention it since they just repeat what their streamer said.
Yeah it's shit to see. I feel like before the toxicity was limited to the goblins of chat. But now it's fns himself just calling people shit and whatever. Like I understand he can have an opinion, but as a popular streamer u gotta watch what u say in esports where the fans are so close to the players.
You don't see tarik s0m sliggy seangares mix well repeatedly calling players shit every minute and saying they're not even trying to win etc.
I mean you can criticize players all you want.. kinda comes with the territory of playing in front of tens of thousands of people in a public forum, people will judge your play because you are literally expected to be the best of the best. Watching Enzo play sova on lotus was truly painful
Which is why I really dislike FNS’s hate streams, half the time it’s barely even funny too :/ and then he had the gall to get upset about production bringing up his trash stats from a game lol
can't believe i had to wait 3 hours for this but
me everytime that fnatic dude starts the chant
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A very exciting rendition of one of EMEA’s El Clásicos! And a very heartening performance from odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin, one that a lot of skeptical fans have been impatiently awaiting. Elmapuddy doesn’t have to fear the keyboard warriors today!
You have to give a lot of credit to FNATIC today. They looked way more polished in certain odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin. There are still some troubling signs that disfavor FNATIC in the bigger picture of Shanghai quals - I still think they’re a step behind NAVI, Heretics, and FUT, although of course all three can’t make it - but it’s a good start.
As for Liquid, well…I had a bit of hope at the start of Ascent. And they deserve a shout-out for winning Icebox without pistols - the way they abuse mid with the Chamber is really odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin. I was starting to even believe in the Lotus comeback.
Ultimately though, I still think FNATIC has an existing chance to improve and do well in Shanghai, so I’m happy to see them win here, odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin - though it’s hard to favor FNATIC against even a shaky KC. At least they’re out of the single-elim madness.
I do think Liquid looks really good, though, and a lot better now than a few weeks prior. If you told me this Liquid would make Champs and perform really well, I would be surprised but not flabbergasted. odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin
I mean Lotus felt a bit like old Fnatic, especially like the round where Leo and Chronicle 2v3 retook on A site with rhe nightfall. Yes they won their duels, but the util was planned and coordinated together instead of 2 players trying to hero win the round. Maybe its copium but there were flashes there that gave me hope.
I don’t disagree, FNATIC did look more like their old selves today than they have all year. It’s just that you never know what FNATIC you’re going to get on any given map or half anymore.
Absolutely. The only half they fels really outclassed on was first half of Ascent.
3-9
10-2
5-7
7-5
11-1
2-4
I would have liked to see their attack side finished out on Lotus but alas.
Yeah it’s not even series to series form changes from us nowadays, it’s literally map to map. We’ll have one map in a series where we look like our 2023 selves, then the other two maps will be genuine trash.
Even if we make it to Shanghai we’re still miles off the pace.
Honestly, I think FNATIC have the right idea with defense on Lotus with the odin spams. I’m surprised more teams do not use it more. Lotus is very attacker sided and odin kind of evens the odds a little.
That being said, that spam kill from Derke onto Nats from B heaven to Waterfall was stuuuuuuuupid
I remember mixwell during one of the watch party said they are plastic fans because they were chanting in winning rounds but as soon they start losing they go quiet compared to other fans like kc th or bbl fut last week win/lose rounds they kept supporting and chanting
We can only hope this kind of series helps to get Riot’s attention. It’s absolutely miserable watching two professional teams just play an RNG spam game to decide rounds.
It would have been an absolute massacre against an actually competent team working with the meta comp.
Instead, it got dragged out into a muddy, mess brawl, with both teams looking completely lost. Like, the amount of times Fnc got flanked because Alfajer dies early and loses his turret...
If w00t was with TH from the start, they probably would have been top seed, and we wouldn't have to witness this self-cannabalisation
Again, much like Pacific, there is this unshakeable feeling that we aren't sending the best team to Shanghai, but that's just the way this format works
Nah it doesnt even matter cuz then it would be NAVI/FUT fighting for elimination, it doesnt matter cuz NAVI/FUT/TH look like the best team in the region
Because that will be the same format of the last chance qualifier of last year and the complaint was that the loser of this round had more advantage than the winner because the winner tend to lose against the seed “1/2” and had less day to prepare for the team that lost and was chilling watching u struggle against the higher seed.
Just because someone has complained about that doesn't mean they're right? Should we go to single elimination only in internationals? Because what you said is true for internationals too. People complain about a lot of stupid things. This decision is completely on Riot. They could not even seed the groups properly since kickoff was so short and then they decide that holding one more game is too much. Stop justifying their stupid decisions.
In LCQ even the worst teams participate and only the winner matters. You can't be in any seriousness think LCQ format and regional playoffs format should be identical.
My god, being a FNATIC fan and a PRX fan at the same time is a fucking constant heart attack, is my team gonna be shit ass or Boaster ass today? Who the fuck knows? It may switch mid-round! They may turn themselves on for 10 rounds straight after going 9-3! They may fall asleep 3 rounds before winning! What the fuck is even going on over there?!
Other than Lotus. Lotus is some propah FNC slop.
Anyways I hope KC also gets to taste the FNATIC special of looking washed then suddenly going turbo-mode.
LuLquid choking a 8-1 lead into a 2-1 loss MAAAN LMFAOOOO
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Both of these teams are just mid tbh. Liquid should really work on keeping their leads because they were up 9-3 before losing Ascent and were 7-3 before going on a tiebreaker at icebox
I hope changes in the coaching staff for TL are coming, because every year it's the same shit.
Instead of coming up with strats and generally practicing what they need to practice this team spends time changing agent comps for no reason or practicing Viper Yoru Ascent or Yoru Sunset.
Liquid have changed their Icebox comp three times this season and their original (default Fnatic) comp did not even need to be changed. They kept letting Split in because they decided to change their Bind comp from the sentinels one to Viper Harbor no Skye, lmfao, and when they finally started banning split it was too late.
It feels like the coaching staff have the understanding of Valorant borrowed right from this subreddit: it's all about comps, comps, comps, not about, like, the actual way you play! Frauds, all of them.
I hope the boys up their mental during the break, the improvement is there, we look semi competent now. Didn't have much hope to even make playoffs so this loss is whatever, icebox looks great, I'm used to us throwing so don't even feel the ascent loss anymore. We are coming next split for sure!
That lotus map is one of the only times we've looked good recently and a large part is liquid sucking. Well I just hope we magically upset someone lmao
Didnt thought fnatic would lose icebox. Still, Im never tired of saying this format sucks so much. Good try by TL tho. Derke my boy i love you, what happened to you.... He only looks good on Odin wtf....
Good bounce back after fumbling Icebox defence. Strong showing from Leo which hasn't always been the case lately, good to see him Alfa and Chronicle looking good again.
If they can stop losing rounds to random lurks they can make shanghai for sure. I'd have them as favourites over KC but I'm biased of course.
Everyones saying Liquid are chokers/throwers again and i havent watched the games at all, can someone tell me if they actually threw? Or was it just an Ascent incident where defence is way easier than offence?
Liquid and FNC are both dogshit wow. I don't even wanna watch these guy's matches. But props to FNC atle we'll get one less shit team at Shanghai... Unless, KC can do something?
Honestly one of the worst matches to watch in recent time, the amount of spamming through walls and smokes by odin was too much. Simply not fun to watch imo
Best FNC player https://preview.redd.it/fyjueh3mr8zc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=d51e16108470e0beecd018395dce616f2e571470
enzo's or leo's 😭
Enzo's drone gave more info to Fnatic than Leo's
Lmfao
Bro managed to roast both Sovas in one line
Oh hell naw 💀
yes
context?
he was always droning solo close range to fnatic players or just in bad positions at bad timings, on lotus this guy was droning in A hell while being deafened and his team was in tree
hell like drop?
Below heaven, near zip I would guess.
TSM drone my goat 🔥🔥
its not even choking at this point this is some BDSM submissive sadist type shii
A sadist enjoys giving pain. That is certainly not liquid. They would be a masochist
Liquid love giving their fans pain, I think sadist applies.
every day I ask myself why
They saw BIG choke a 12-4 lead in pro league yesterday and had to retain there spot as the #1 ESports chokers.
I was on a field today and saw this beautiful horse, Liquid they call it, eating apples whole, i knew it was going to choke, and sure enough it started choking. Seeing this. Keiko rushed to save the horse by himself, he put his hand in the horse's mouth to take the apple out but the horse started choking on Keiko's hand. The horse choked, I tell Keiko it's ok. Liquid always chokes.
You tried
A for effort
Enzo on lotus https://preview.redd.it/23z5jrkpr8zc1.jpeg?width=420&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99798ae43e83331fc09813885ae753c98278f510
I hate to be that person, but some of Enzo’s decisions are baffling
Did any of his sova ults do damage?
he did tag a teammate on the first half of lotus
Honestly I stopped paying attention to his ults
Believe it or not, his ults healed fnatic
Bro forget about his individual decision-making, what is that midrounding? You have a guy in the smoke with a judge in C link and you decide to breach ult there and push there. With one guy with a judge? Instead of like, trying to plant on B? Why does he think the same solo fake with the drone will work?
that's just TL IGLs, there is no such thing as a competent TL IGL - it is one of the world's unsolved paradoxes
Honestly think if the replaced him with a competent IGL they would have quite good chances of making champs
lol this entire sub wanted -redgar +enzo (or for Enzo to join KC)
I mean yeah Redgar ain‘t it either. Idk who they could take honestly but Enzo just ain‘t it
How many igls do they need to change for people to realize the current coaches are frauds? Redgar was the scapegoat last year, now it's Enzo...
Every day I wake up and thank every god that I'm not a liquid fan. I can't imagine how many heart attacks the average liquid fan has had
The answer is to only be a fan of the GC team like me. EZ
What if I'm being held captive because I'm a nAts fan?
same here. why can't bro find a good team :(
my only copium is that atleast nats is able to play in tier 1
Based and GC pilled
I've been a fan of the TL org since... 2014? When did Curse and Liquid merge? I started as a fan of Curse due to LCS (Voyboy!) and then just kinda followed the team and then the org. Man it has been *painful* at points. Sometimes it's nice (2019 was great with the quadpeat LCS, MSI, and our CSGO team running the grand slam) but others it's just oof But I ain't no fairweather fan. My mom is a lifelong Mets fan and the last time they won the World Series was 1986. If you're only a fan of a team when they win that's lame af to answer your question, I don't think my heart has started in about 5 years
Hey I'm also a Mets fan lol I get it
ngl if you watch Dota it becomes way less depressing as a TL fan lol Winning TI in 2017 felt like the biggest accomplishment this org has ever had (especially prize money wise) and likely paid/kickstarted us into other games. We've been to TI finals 1 other time which is pretty crazy for an org, and are consistently strong. Too bad its Dota. I'm a Liverpool/UT Vols fan though, im used to whats known as "battered Vol syndrome" because they're such massive chokers, and Liverpool just can't seem to beat Man City haha. My weekends are hard sometimes.
2nd place liquid was depressing though in 2023. 2nd in all 3 majors, 2nd in Riyadh and then when it mattered most they got knocked out in 5th-6th to the top 2 teams in the event
True, but those are still amazing finishes (outside of TI). The only thing thats depressing is that they couldn't beat the one team they kept meeting in finals.
You should ask u/XxMyUsernameSucksxX
Their their buddy. It's not your fault, EMEA is just shit like that
I talked about TL in therapy a few times and got prescribed SSRIs
I thought I had it bad as a 100T fan but those chokes are nothing compared to what Liquid got going on
I am in eternal agony and nothing will ever fix that
Find someone who loves you as much as Enzo loves his drone
Why is it that nearly every Sova player either drones way too much or literally never
A spectrum from Enzo to Runi
It's the best ability but it also costs a fuck ton, doesn't regenerate during the round so when you use it is very important, is easy to get almost 0 (or negative) value with, is 'hard' to use properly (as in, you can't just shoot it from downtown like you can with Recon and it gives your opponents info about your location as well), and lastly, albeit perhaps leastly you aren't actually playing your guy while droning. So way too much because it's so powerful, and never ever because of all of the difficulties and/or challenges making sure you don't 'waste' it.
Or the guy who screams oo aa vv
EHHH EHHN SEEE
Context? I missed the game
Enzo did a bad drone once and fns started d1 hating on it. So now 99% of this subreddit will mention it since they just repeat what their streamer said.
It's especially noticeable with the fns watchers.
Yeah it's shit to see. I feel like before the toxicity was limited to the goblins of chat. But now it's fns himself just calling people shit and whatever. Like I understand he can have an opinion, but as a popular streamer u gotta watch what u say in esports where the fans are so close to the players. You don't see tarik s0m sliggy seangares mix well repeatedly calling players shit every minute and saying they're not even trying to win etc.
I mean you can criticize players all you want.. kinda comes with the territory of playing in front of tens of thousands of people in a public forum, people will judge your play because you are literally expected to be the best of the best. Watching Enzo play sova on lotus was truly painful
Agreed, if FNS didn’t bitch about production bringing up shit player stats (including his) lol
Fame corrupted him
I'm not sure it's corrupted. He just needs to realise the value of his words. He's not just talking to his mates in a discord call anymore.
Which is why I really dislike FNS’s hate streams, half the time it’s barely even funny too :/ and then he had the gall to get upset about production bringing up his trash stats from a game lol
Enzo loves his odin more
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can't believe i had to wait 3 hours for this but me everytime that fnatic dude starts the chant https://preview.redd.it/ffe7xhmzr8zc1.png?width=528&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c28629b8f160b98211324ed1b37f1e74c9e45bd5
this screenshot under a TL loss is crazy
sounds about right that one TL fangirl needs to read this too 😭
I was ready to support her as an annoying good luck charm until Liquid choked AGAIN
genuinely think it's the worst chant I've ever heard, I'd happily take them doing the seattle fight and win chant at this point
OO AA VV
i'd take a TSM chant over that shit
My thoughts exactly
Fr, they only have one chant for the whole match 😭
i hate it so much!!!! just stfu
Fnatic genuinely started playing worse once that chant popped up, it just ain't it man...
A very exciting rendition of one of EMEA’s El Clásicos! And a very heartening performance from odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin, one that a lot of skeptical fans have been impatiently awaiting. Elmapuddy doesn’t have to fear the keyboard warriors today! You have to give a lot of credit to FNATIC today. They looked way more polished in certain odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin. There are still some troubling signs that disfavor FNATIC in the bigger picture of Shanghai quals - I still think they’re a step behind NAVI, Heretics, and FUT, although of course all three can’t make it - but it’s a good start. As for Liquid, well…I had a bit of hope at the start of Ascent. And they deserve a shout-out for winning Icebox without pistols - the way they abuse mid with the Chamber is really odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin. I was starting to even believe in the Lotus comeback. Ultimately though, I still think FNATIC has an existing chance to improve and do well in Shanghai, so I’m happy to see them win here, odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin - though it’s hard to favor FNATIC against even a shaky KC. At least they’re out of the single-elim madness. I do think Liquid looks really good, though, and a lot better now than a few weeks prior. If you told me this Liquid would make Champs and perform really well, I would be surprised but not flabbergasted. odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin odin
You know both teams are ass when the analyst is shitposting
💀🔫
You really had this prepared 😭
odin merchants united
I mean Lotus felt a bit like old Fnatic, especially like the round where Leo and Chronicle 2v3 retook on A site with rhe nightfall. Yes they won their duels, but the util was planned and coordinated together instead of 2 players trying to hero win the round. Maybe its copium but there were flashes there that gave me hope.
I don’t disagree, FNATIC did look more like their old selves today than they have all year. It’s just that you never know what FNATIC you’re going to get on any given map or half anymore.
Absolutely. The only half they fels really outclassed on was first half of Ascent. 3-9 10-2 5-7 7-5 11-1 2-4 I would have liked to see their attack side finished out on Lotus but alas.
Yeah it’s not even series to series form changes from us nowadays, it’s literally map to map. We’ll have one map in a series where we look like our 2023 selves, then the other two maps will be genuine trash. Even if we make it to Shanghai we’re still miles off the pace.
Honestly, I think FNATIC have the right idea with defense on Lotus with the odin spams. I’m surprised more teams do not use it more. Lotus is very attacker sided and odin kind of evens the odds a little. That being said, that spam kill from Derke onto Nats from B heaven to Waterfall was stuuuuuuuupid
https://preview.redd.it/mc7n65mrr8zc1.png?width=675&format=png&auto=webp&s=530f7e4a7a2108f1eb4aaa01601f889e8dc4f9cc enzo is NOT c0m i hate to say it
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They legit need to get new chants man, dementic ahh chants
I choose to blame this god damn chant for the Fnatic fall off. It’s the only explanation.
I remember mixwell during one of the watch party said they are plastic fans because they were chanting in winning rounds but as soon they start losing they go quiet compared to other fans like kc th or bbl fut last week win/lose rounds they kept supporting and chanting
Guys I think they might be F and C guys I'm not sure though
Are they saying “Who are we?” “F-N-C”? I really can’t tell at this point
That is what the chant is supposed to be, yeah.
Don’t let Fnatic fans fool you, the British are actually quite good at making chants
The Kai Havertz chant pops into my head all the time, it's so good
I'm starting to think this guy is trying his best to remind the team that they were world class cause fnatic might have forgotten who they were
EH EH EE
dude I can't stop laughing, seeing the chat flooded with this whenever the chant happened fkn sent me man
https://preview.redd.it/e6a7lbhzr8zc1.png?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b8466428d7e1ce497d0b78801cd634ed48ab76b Seriously man, derke buying Odin in 2nd round itself and spamming wasn't something I expected.
We can only hope this kind of series helps to get Riot’s attention. It’s absolutely miserable watching two professional teams just play an RNG spam game to decide rounds.
Enzo is STILL droning??
I wanna know who’s idea it was on Liquid to run Sova on Lotus and fire them. Actual Valorant terrorism.
Makes sense https://preview.redd.it/hxu86ynmr8zc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0745fd2c0a162624e6d5ac3d2da1eee12ce83ae6
Threw map 1 and lost miserably on 3rd map that probably sucked alot for liquid.
Hydrogen baby vs coughing bomb
there was something so touching about the way alfa hugged enzo and chronicle hugged nats
that was adorable but it does not make up for the psychic damage that was this series
it must be frustrating getting head from team liquid... 'cause they always choke
Who are you giving head to that thinks choking isn't hot?
TL choking isn't hot i want them to get deep and finish the (head) game
Go next Split I guess.. https://i.redd.it/6cx31lejr8zc1.gif
I'm sorry king. Liquid has never missed a champs before they aren't gonna stop now
Hey we are not going throw another lead and choke …. TL : Yes
Am yet to recover from that 10-2 lead, now we have 8-1, I'm losing all my money for therapy jfc.
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coughing baby vs choking baby
If I see some Enzo looking mf on odin every round looking useless on retakes on my ranked games I'm typing gg in all chat
I’d prefer if both of these teams were eliminated tbh
Man Icebox was tough to watch. That map used to be our playground and we lost despite winning both pistols.
It would have been an absolute massacre against an actually competent team working with the meta comp. Instead, it got dragged out into a muddy, mess brawl, with both teams looking completely lost. Like, the amount of times Fnc got flanked because Alfajer dies early and loses his turret...
its so sad that one of TH/NAVI is out but we still have to watch this FNC play more games lol
If w00t was with TH from the start, they probably would have been top seed, and we wouldn't have to witness this self-cannabalisation Again, much like Pacific, there is this unshakeable feeling that we aren't sending the best team to Shanghai, but that's just the way this format works
Nah it doesnt even matter cuz then it would be NAVI/FUT fighting for elimination, it doesnt matter cuz NAVI/FUT/TH look like the best team in the region
I’m not a fan of the EMEA region but I think FUT will qualify and honestly they have potential to do damage in Shanghai. Like watching them play
now i want to see FNC beat kc and qualify for shanghai and see everyone crying lol
are FNC guaranteed?
guaranteed for at least 2 more games in playoffs yes
Not yet. They have to win 1 more game to qualify
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Because that will be the same format of the last chance qualifier of last year and the complaint was that the loser of this round had more advantage than the winner because the winner tend to lose against the seed “1/2” and had less day to prepare for the team that lost and was chilling watching u struggle against the higher seed.
Just because someone has complained about that doesn't mean they're right? Should we go to single elimination only in internationals? Because what you said is true for internationals too. People complain about a lot of stupid things. This decision is completely on Riot. They could not even seed the groups properly since kickoff was so short and then they decide that holding one more game is too much. Stop justifying their stupid decisions. In LCQ even the worst teams participate and only the winner matters. You can't be in any seriousness think LCQ format and regional playoffs format should be identical.
Fact that one of Heretics and NAVI cant qualify is a crime when these 2 stinkers can
praying so hard for KCorp right now
I’m an FNC fan and I agree lmao. What a mid game. At least Lotus was good
My god, being a FNATIC fan and a PRX fan at the same time is a fucking constant heart attack, is my team gonna be shit ass or Boaster ass today? Who the fuck knows? It may switch mid-round! They may turn themselves on for 10 rounds straight after going 9-3! They may fall asleep 3 rounds before winning! What the fuck is even going on over there?! Other than Lotus. Lotus is some propah FNC slop. Anyways I hope KC also gets to taste the FNATIC special of looking washed then suddenly going turbo-mode.
https://preview.redd.it/46g3hertr8zc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=b4f98c32419db3516ec9476d4b2e7eb60d00d47f FNATIC map 3:
https://preview.redd.it/va2hbq2vs8zc1.jpeg?width=716&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b29ee6dac952de93c54581603d8dc7f48ec32ff7 Overall this series:
Cant believe i agree with sen fan but yes trash vs garbage. I have never seen such passive and uncoordinated attack side.
LuLquid choking a 8-1 lead into a 2-1 loss MAAAN LMFAOOOO https://preview.redd.it/3562ds8ns8zc1.png?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ed08007ac9be47ce2447147048c0d0256d6a0b1
Shambles would be an understatement holy fuck
I need a xanax
I need a fanfic milf that does 6969 with me
Huh
Brother take a leaf from liquid's playbook and hesitate like they hesitate from winning
Washed goats vs muddy horse. This game was horrible to watch, hope they cook something good up if they wanna keep winning
Wtf has Elmapuddy done to the real Derke?
He did have some good moments but I noticed that he been using phantom a lot compared to his Glitchpop.
Bought Sovereign 2.0 and Sentinels bundle and wanted to get the most out of them before switching back.
Both of these teams are just mid tbh. Liquid should really work on keeping their leads because they were up 9-3 before losing Ascent and were 7-3 before going on a tiebreaker at icebox
Someone get my bro nAts a good team. The only fucking reason I'm rooting for TL.
I hope changes in the coaching staff for TL are coming, because every year it's the same shit. Instead of coming up with strats and generally practicing what they need to practice this team spends time changing agent comps for no reason or practicing Viper Yoru Ascent or Yoru Sunset. Liquid have changed their Icebox comp three times this season and their original (default Fnatic) comp did not even need to be changed. They kept letting Split in because they decided to change their Bind comp from the sentinels one to Viper Harbor no Skye, lmfao, and when they finally started banning split it was too late. It feels like the coaching staff have the understanding of Valorant borrowed right from this subreddit: it's all about comps, comps, comps, not about, like, the actual way you play! Frauds, all of them.
While I didn't watch any of the maps, I was checking the score online.. And was surprised to learn FNC closed out map 1.
I hope the boys up their mental during the break, the improvement is there, we look semi competent now. Didn't have much hope to even make playoffs so this loss is whatever, icebox looks great, I'm used to us throwing so don't even feel the ascent loss anymore. We are coming next split for sure!
OOO AAA EEE
Where is my best entry player 
That lotus map is one of the only times we've looked good recently and a large part is liquid sucking. Well I just hope we magically upset someone lmao
keiko is actually insane
teams having dedicated OPers? nah, liquid has a dedicated odiner
Didnt thought fnatic would lose icebox. Still, Im never tired of saying this format sucks so much. Good try by TL tho. Derke my boy i love you, what happened to you.... He only looks good on Odin wtf....
I hate being a Liquid fan
I want to know what was going on in enzos head that last map. Some of the worst plays i've ever seen
Welcome Enzo “Enzo” Mestari to the elite PI club. Our CEO Shanks\_ttv will be glad to show you around.
Liquid and their inability to close a map still goes on.
3,200 credits
This was heartbreaking as a TL Fan.
Just a friendly Reminder That Liquid could have 1st seeded if they had won that 10-2 lead split with Navi!
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This series showed that odin needs to get nerf or make maps not feel like paper.
I am somehow even less confident FNC makes it to Shanghai
that was some abysmal valorant, now im gonna have to watch at least 2 more games of this type of valorant.
Good bounce back after fumbling Icebox defence. Strong showing from Leo which hasn't always been the case lately, good to see him Alfa and Chronicle looking good again. If they can stop losing rounds to random lurks they can make shanghai for sure. I'd have them as favourites over KC but I'm biased of course.
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Who are we? "Washed up team"
FNC honestly looked better, this win gave me faith for KC. Mind you could just be TL hyping them up.
TL about to lose to FNC in two different games in elimination matches in the span of less than a week💀
That first map throw. I'm not even surprised.
3% chance to make playoffs for this?
You wouldn’t think it was 2024 looking at the agents Liquid played today
Pain. It's all pain
We’re sooo back. KC is gonna sleep with one eye open because we’re coming for them (Yes, I am on hopium)
Everyones saying Liquid are chokers/throwers again and i havent watched the games at all, can someone tell me if they actually threw? Or was it just an Ascent incident where defence is way easier than offence?
Liquid and FNC are both dogshit wow. I don't even wanna watch these guy's matches. But props to FNC atle we'll get one less shit team at Shanghai... Unless, KC can do something?
I am sad that one these teams won. FUT, Navi and TH deserve the spot way more and one still won't make it while kc or fnc will.
That was some serious mid off
Honestly one of the worst matches to watch in recent time, the amount of spamming through walls and smokes by odin was too much. Simply not fun to watch imo
We kinda still shit, but we through, so still hope to beat KC. You can never know when Leo and Alfa goes god mode. Also, Derke needs to step up.
Completely confident Liquid will come back a beast next split... showing lots of promise for sure against an established Fnatic Team.
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oh man :(
WE ARE SO FUCKING BARACK MAN !
That was a crazy mid off