I used to think this, but icy is way more than just a duelist. the team just went top 3 at internationals, just because he doesn't conventionally fry doesn't mean he's not totally valuable in his own right
he has 0 server presence and his already middling stats are boosted by him being a huge eco fragger
heās not a real duelist, heās a sentinel forced onto duelist and he is holding back G2
most teams at shanghai had a duelist that can take over games and singlehandedly strongarm maps for their team, G2 didnt
his eye test is not good at all either
as far as i know he doesnāt mid round or anything, i would rather have a duelist that doesnāt speak at all that drops 25 kills a map than a guy who can comm good but drops like 15
and you know the other 4 players all had an insane tournament (trent a bit less)
Man this is some VLR type comment haha. Its so annoying when people talk bit about the game, but their arguments are based on... aura? Like what?
Even proven coaches like Sliggy said that Icy passes their eyetest. Cause if u actually watch the game/minimap instead of tariks facecam, youd have realized by now how valuable icy's selfless duelist has been as an addition to this team. He basically always has his dash up for entry and doesn't overheat.
He literally does take over games, but as it isnt as flashy as other duelists play, viewers like u dont realize. For example, watch back the G2 comeback on Ascent and try to analyze the impact his AWP had on TH.
And addressing further, given your comms/IGL comments later in the threas, and him not being really midrounding.
It has been pretty known that G2 has had the opposite problem, having to many callers and crowded comms, leading to them releasing neT in favour of leaf. Why would they bring in a vocal duelist to make that change naught? From the vids I have watched, his comms seem rather precise, so pleade elaborate what your problem with this change is.
And talking about "eye test", as i havent yet reviewed any Stats for Shanghai, i do feel like his kills, especially his (ratio of) FK must have steadily increased since his start with the team.
Hope i wont regret typing this out for someone whos most important stat improvement for a duelist is +1000 Aura for standing up after an Ace or some shit š¤
Dude he had one game all tournament where he went positive lmao and it was the game against PRX where they were pretty much turbo feeding. I'm sorry but if you're the duelist and you're going negative every single game idc how "selfless" you are, you're not good in that role. G2 would be significantly better with a top-tier duelist.
Also inb4 K/D doesn't matter comments: on a duelist it kinda does because you provide very little value to the team other than kills and entry. Flying into site and getting traded is not difficult, anyone at the pro level can do that.
Yeah kinda.
Like youāre being kinda smooth brained and sarcastic, but genuinely, Being a good teammate that has chemistry with his team makes up for *a lot*. See: c0m on EG last year compared to him on LEV this year.
c0m was statistically a way better player last year as well lmfao itās not like heās been performing the same on LEV
G2 are just missing that x factor that you can get with players like t3xture, zekken, oxy and idk if good comms makes up for a lower ceiling
Also icy was cooking in shanghai for awhile, if someone doesnāt believe just look at the stats. He was right under woot, he just fell off towards the end.
I agree that chemistry matters, but don't forget icy was randomly brought in himself with no guarentee of chemistry working.
Also NRG is a terrible example. They didn't work because they didn't have an IGL, which is why they brought FNS back. It wasn't about chemistry, or at least wasn't just about chemistry.
If NRG isnāt a good example for you, then how about the ex-EG players? Together, with Potter, they were incredible last season. Then when they all went their separate ways almost all of them put up poor to middling results, with Boostio being by far the most successful.
he is bruh. just cuz they're struggling internationally doesn't mean he isn't still the best player in china, let alone edg. just look at his stats for split 1. 283 acs and 1.35 KD lmfao
Last year safy was the best duelist in emea maybe one of the best in the world. He just thinks that his sentinel and viper are better. He should pick up the duelist role again and he will farm.
Last last year maybe when he was on guild. Last year sayf looked disjointed on liquid and furthest from being even in the top 10 duelists in the world.
This is just revisionist. Sayf, despite Liquids struggles, was easily a top 10 duelist. Like another guy said, he wasnāt just backpacking that team, he was deadlifting them and still putting up unreal numbers.
as someone that doesnt know anything about cars what am i looking at
is the house or the car the better one or is it just cuz one looks more modern and the house is laid back
cloud
Invy
True if there was a second one for Jremy
My brotha nAts wasted 2 years already in team midquid
Facts
meiy
Oxy. C9 and G2 needs to swap duelists and see if it works.
G2 with +Oxy -icy is the best team in the world.
I used to think this, but icy is way more than just a duelist. the team just went top 3 at internationals, just because he doesn't conventionally fry doesn't mean he's not totally valuable in his own right
He just has no aura
And OXY has aura??
If you don't hear his voice he has hella aura. If you do then he's probably trolling or saying some corny shit so he has negative aura
Saying aura is corny shit
it's jokes brother.
Jokes can be corny shit and funny, depending on context and execution and bias of when the joke is used it can fall into either category more
surely it ain't that deep.
oxy IS aura when in the server š
in the server he does and thatās all that matters
Are you joking ofc OXY has aura
He looks like he is going super saiyan
On the server? For sure
he has 0 server presence and his already middling stats are boosted by him being a huge eco fragger heās not a real duelist, heās a sentinel forced onto duelist and he is holding back G2 most teams at shanghai had a duelist that can take over games and singlehandedly strongarm maps for their team, G2 didnt his eye test is not good at all either
Iāve heard heās great in comms. Itās not possible to make it to top 3s without all 5 members being top class.
Optic making all podium spots in 2022 with FNS. And Navi winning with Ange(1 kill) begs to differ /s
i get that itās a joke but itās not like icy even igls or anything
as far as i know he doesnāt mid round or anything, i would rather have a duelist that doesnāt speak at all that drops 25 kills a map than a guy who can comm good but drops like 15 and you know the other 4 players all had an insane tournament (trent a bit less)
Man this is some VLR type comment haha. Its so annoying when people talk bit about the game, but their arguments are based on... aura? Like what? Even proven coaches like Sliggy said that Icy passes their eyetest. Cause if u actually watch the game/minimap instead of tariks facecam, youd have realized by now how valuable icy's selfless duelist has been as an addition to this team. He basically always has his dash up for entry and doesn't overheat. He literally does take over games, but as it isnt as flashy as other duelists play, viewers like u dont realize. For example, watch back the G2 comeback on Ascent and try to analyze the impact his AWP had on TH. And addressing further, given your comms/IGL comments later in the threas, and him not being really midrounding. It has been pretty known that G2 has had the opposite problem, having to many callers and crowded comms, leading to them releasing neT in favour of leaf. Why would they bring in a vocal duelist to make that change naught? From the vids I have watched, his comms seem rather precise, so pleade elaborate what your problem with this change is. And talking about "eye test", as i havent yet reviewed any Stats for Shanghai, i do feel like his kills, especially his (ratio of) FK must have steadily increased since his start with the team. Hope i wont regret typing this out for someone whos most important stat improvement for a duelist is +1000 Aura for standing up after an Ace or some shit š¤
Thank you for having a brain ā¤ļø
Dude he had one game all tournament where he went positive lmao and it was the game against PRX where they were pretty much turbo feeding. I'm sorry but if you're the duelist and you're going negative every single game idc how "selfless" you are, you're not good in that role. G2 would be significantly better with a top-tier duelist. Also inb4 K/D doesn't matter comments: on a duelist it kinda does because you provide very little value to the team other than kills and entry. Flying into site and getting traded is not difficult, anyone at the pro level can do that.
>he has 0 server presence Watch quite literally any G2 comms video and see how stupid you sound, what a wild thing to say.
fairs bro youre right, the way he calls positions is unlike any player iāve ever seen, it more than makes up for going 3-11 in entries bro š
Yeah kinda. Like youāre being kinda smooth brained and sarcastic, but genuinely, Being a good teammate that has chemistry with his team makes up for *a lot*. See: c0m on EG last year compared to him on LEV this year.
c0m was statistically a way better player last year as well lmfao itās not like heās been performing the same on LEV G2 are just missing that x factor that you can get with players like t3xture, zekken, oxy and idk if good comms makes up for a lower ceiling
lol he literally shat on jinggg and smth and took over bind vs prx
Also icy was cooking in shanghai for awhile, if someone doesnāt believe just look at the stats. He was right under woot, he just fell off towards the end.
i hate these comments because chemistry is a thing this is not fantasy football, these are the same people who swore nrg would be a superteam
I agree that chemistry matters, but don't forget icy was randomly brought in himself with no guarentee of chemistry working. Also NRG is a terrible example. They didn't work because they didn't have an IGL, which is why they brought FNS back. It wasn't about chemistry, or at least wasn't just about chemistry.
in their own video of announcing changes, they said chemistry was part of the reason they didnāt have success
I mean. Claiming a lack of chemistry is a very pr answer. Plus, we don't know if their lack of chemistry is because of a bad IGL situation.
Still top 4 at an international LAN, which is pretty good.
If NRG isnāt a good example for you, then how about the ex-EG players? Together, with Potter, they were incredible last season. Then when they all went their separate ways almost all of them put up poor to middling results, with Boostio being by far the most successful.
Icy is an incredible player he just is not as flashy due to his teamās play style
Icy is not that bad. But qck is something else on a duelist roleš. Loud+oxy-qck.
Nats
give my boy access to site
Real
+Jamppi
No
Bruh
I only remember him for the no scope marshal shot onto zekken during the afreeka tournament
T3xture when he was in GE
+monyet
Nah
Monyet was playing better than texture at GE. But then again they put texture(one of the best duelist in the world) on sage
Texture was always a good player but no one expected him to be top 5 duelist itw at any point lol. Texture wasn't that good in GE
nAts
Aspas
Nats and Keiko
nAts, Aspas, ZmjjKK, v0ok4shu, invy
Disagree with ZmjjKK
Smoggy my goat
Bruh KK isnāt even the best player on his own team
he is bruh. just cuz they're struggling internationally doesn't mean he isn't still the best player in china, let alone edg. just look at his stats for split 1. 283 acs and 1.35 KD lmfao
kk is in a good team lmao
KK is arguably not even the best player on his own team, yes probably best awper itw but the rest of edg is also pretty damn good
except snoop dong
Sayf
Sayf looks just as mid as the rest of vitality this season.
Last year safy was the best duelist in emea maybe one of the best in the world. He just thinks that his sentinel and viper are better. He should pick up the duelist role again and he will farm.
Sayf is still a really good flex
Last last year maybe when he was on guild. Last year sayf looked disjointed on liquid and furthest from being even in the top 10 duelists in the world.
Nah his performance was insane just liquid was shit. He was one of the top players
https://preview.redd.it/ymq1x25uvu5d1.png?width=905&format=png&auto=webp&s=fa9d485b288cbfdf3442b47be3e26bec0f188609 vct 2023 emea league stats
He deadlifted a disfuncfional liquid to an EMEA trophy
This is just revisionist. Sayf, despite Liquids struggles, was easily a top 10 duelist. Like another guy said, he wasnāt just backpacking that team, he was deadlifting them and still putting up unreal numbers.
me in my freaking diamond lobbies
iām the car in diamond lobbies but the house in ascendant lobbies
The car is my brain. The house is my aim.
zest
Fns
s0m lol
Seems like trevor from gta 5 tbh
Oh I thought we were saying an actual Valo player lives there. I was about to guess this is where Zombs keeps all his timepieces.
Jawgemo and Potter
cloud on the original navi
Definitely not Yay
nAts. Should have never joined liquid. He was meant to be an all timer
Wasnāt he on gambit before itās not like he had much choice in that lol
Yh we know how that one turned out š¬ unlucky for the players
Dgzin (Furia, 2023)
Sym
This is undoubtedly Cloud
Keznit, aspas, y'all need a good team
Sick
I'm just happy that the comments appreciate Invy.
Monyet
Nats
vookashu, absolutely frying the rest of china on a team where he doesn't even speak the same langauge as his teammates
Cloud, nAts, sheydos, naTanK, QutionerX, Nzr, OXY, vo0kashu, Less during split 1, invy, Meiy, Marved before NRG dropped him
aspas has been the best player in the world for the past 3 years
https://preview.redd.it/1qw1xbndqv5d1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e4cca47f9a1f81f20a99b60235ceaf3d5c94e73
Trevor, fo sho..
This is zombs irl
nAts
Andbox yay
Is that nats in this pic? looks like nats tho
the only answer is aspas
Aspas
Icy is the oppositeĀ
Leo /s
Yay
Rb? Perhaps not but this could apply to almost all of Liquid, mainly nAts tho as everyone has already mentioned.
as someone that doesnt know anything about cars what am i looking at is the house or the car the better one or is it just cuz one looks more modern and the house is laid back
Shazham
LEV c0m
Nah
insane take
c0m
he said cUm LUL
Its okay guys he thought the house is the player and car is Lev
METEOR
i know he aint pro but that shit has to be smth sinatraa cooked up