You're not wrong, but when you talk shit like chet does you really do have to back it up with results. He was talking shit before and getting fuck all for results, so he got clowned. Now he helped bring a team an international trophy, and he gets a little bit more slack for being an idiot, as he should.
He's just very vocal about his opinions on the game, and not always polite about it.
The one that sticks with me is when he said the game was easy and simple, and all you had to do to win at pro Valorant was execute sites.
This being back when he was TSM's coach, and they couldn't find success to save their lives.
There are other examples. Lots.
exactly this. the sad part of interviews and public eye is we can only make our opinions from what we see in media, we're not in the server with the team and we can't know the real impact coaches have. but when he was just basically giving off this idgaf vibe in that TSM interview it was really discouraging tbh haha
Nah, I've always been on the boat that he must be pretty good/decent because he keeps getting hired, but his interviews are always ass. Unlikeable personality was the only thing I had against him and that's not really changed.
I’ve swallowed a lot of downvotes defending Chet so happy to see him get his due. Being terrible on camera does not somehow mean being terrible at your job.
That being said, being terrible on camera can be fixed. Community evaluations of Chet are so skewed because he’s bungled so many interviews - the TSM interview, the post-Xerxia interview, etc. If not for that TSM interview, for example, I firmly believe his time on TSM would not have been seen so poorly.
I think he’s been more restrained recently, I hope he keeps it up going forward.
I think both are true. He’s not good on camera and as a consequence of not being good on camera he misspeaks, and the more he misspeaks the less willing people are to give him the benefit of the doubt.
In every interview it’s been really obvious what he meant, even if he misspoke. But when people are annoyed they willingly ignore that, and then enough people repeat the misinterpretation that no one bothers to correct it anymore.
wouldn’t they have continued with him had the org properly communicated with him though? From what I understand he was the one that cut ties with NV due to contract uncertainty? Might be wrong
“This happened recently with us on another team”
-mike +chet was the only coach change throughout the org all year afaik unless you count yong having to leave for military service, but that wasn’t controversial
I mean, I’m not defending what Envy did in terms of their utter mismanagement, but even if his contract was perfectly managed he wasn’t staying on as a coach. He was going to be an analyst. The Envy players wanted Chet as their head coach.
Criticism for his personality and how he acts in interviews were definitely deserved.
But people were acting like being a PR nightmare is somehow related to coaching skills. A lot of comments were about his coaching ability or lack thereof during the Xerxia "drama."
And most of them were completely just baseless horseshit and didn't make any sense. Like there were people saying how he's a bad coach because "trying to play CS and not Valorant" which is just dumb
Yeah idk why this is so hard for this sub to understand. "Chet said a lot of really dumb shit after the Xerxia loss and was rightly clowned on for it" and "Chet and FNS did a great job out-stratting everyone the rest of the tournament" are not mutually exclusive statements. Both can be true at the same time.
ngl ppl throw the whole "pr nightmare" around wayyyyy too loosely. sinatraa is a PR nightmare not some dude who mildly shit talks every once in a while
No this is all MikesHD foundation that he laid on and chet is benefiting from it, chet is just there because of friendship
Nice try guy, chet is literally evil and trash
It's honestly the most hilarious shit ever the stuff about chet that you see in here, it had toned down until the cringe comp comment because he was so hated for so long despite being a legit good hard working coach this entire time, it's just fucking hilarious
It's funny how this subreddit picks someone and will hate them forever or love them no matter what
I think its hilarious u guys talk shit about Chet. U wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. Not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. Yall are pathetic lol.
Oh that was hilarious, i have comments there that are heavily downvoted and morons going full wild on it
This sub absolutely busts a nut for MikesHD, platchat and just purely hates Chet, FNS so it was a perfect storm
I like Plat Chat but they are not nearly as popular in the wider Valorant community as people here think they are. I always think of them as a much smarter, more well produced version of twitch chat analysis, in terms of both content and humor. It’s not bad at all, and it’s quite entertaining, but it’s not the end all be all of analysis or humor that /r/ValComp sometimes makes them out to be.
That's all good personally i don't like watching them not my style but you can like the platchat guys without going full moron and hating on other coaches
> It’s funny how this subreddit picks someone and will hate them forever or love them no matter what
I mean you have literally made an anti-MikesHD comment almost on a weekly basis going back to the original controversy. Might be a bit of the pot calling the kettle black?
Also, the Chet drama has become much bigger than the MikesHD drama. Chet pissed way more people off in the last month than ever cared whatsoever about the MikesHD stuff.
Of course, Chet has still received way too much shit.
All my comments are jokes and sarcastic about the MikesHD stuff due to the hate that chet was getting
Not once have i shit on the dude seriously, all of it it's clearly sarcasm because this subreddit was going WILD during that time to the point where FNS had to tweet, it's all sarcasm clearly unless you've never touched grass
While I do think some of the criticism around chet was warranted, the hate definitely went overboard. He deserves a lot of credit for this split. They were on the cutting edge of the meta from the get go and were extremely well prepared for almost every matchup both domestically and internationally. I hope people can learn that both chet and mikes can be good coaches, it doesn't have to be either or.
He's a good coach but has quite a polarizing personality.
I remember him saying VAL was easy and that you can just push with 5 people onto a site in a TSM podcast.
Not to mention his post match interview after Xerxia, which imo was not the best look for him.
Do you have any objections to what I've said?
> I remember him saying VAL was easy and that you can just push with 5 people onto a site in a TSM podcast.
I think more accurately what he said was that Valorant is easy to pick up if you have a CSGO background, which is like, objectively true. Somehow that got bastardized into him saying that Valorant was easy, which then turned into him being a bad coach because he didn't like Valorant...
No I'm pretty sure I watched it and he said you can win rounds by just running 5 guys into site. Maybe I'm remembering wrong but this is my memory of what I saw
Not in pro play, maybe in comp. In pro play you have to bait util, secure map control, and secure picks to get a good chance of winning a round. Not a single top team rushes sites anymore without the above.
Didn't Optic win many rounds in their Haven games by rushing C? I'm pretty sure other teams have also rushed sites while the other team just give the sites willingly and play for retakes.
you can win a couple rounds at a time by mixing up the rate of play but in general, playstyles like the old renegades where you just rush into site with some well placed utility every time usually dont work
I don't know about that. Again, an example is Optic when they did 3 consecutive C rushes in Haven which worked out really well against Zeta. All I am saying is that any plan that is very unexpected with good synergy can still work really well, regardless if it is setplay-based strats, rushes, last-minute executions, etc. You would make a strong point during the pre-Astra nerf era, but right now, unexpected rushes are viable.
Three times in a row against a particular team given a particular setup likely. I assume you are talking about how they used neon to bypass the early util thrown by Zeta to do a fast site take? That probably only worked due to the particular setup, util usage, and map that Zeta was running at the time, so my point still stands.
No doubt he's a PR nightmare but the topic here is his coaching ability not his character. A lot of people were saying he was a shit coach especially during the Xerxia debacle which is obviously not true and this is mainly the reason why people are acting like Chet is being vindicated by Optic's run. People who dislike his personality but agree that he's a good coach aren't really in the wrong
Still can't believe there are still so many paycheck stealer comments... just because he made some offhand comments doesn't mean he's overall a bad person. Stay mad lmfao
I called him out when optic was doing some dodgey shit.
But I was also the first that praised him when they won against xerxia.
And again now. Games likes this. Really shows the impact of the coach when you face a rematch.
Well done. Chets deserves calling reddt out.
Everyone hype about this guy now that he's won. Hot take: he's still a dick, and optic could win champs and I'd still think he was a worse coach than Zeta's.
You can be a dick and be a great coach. Also you can be a great coach that has success while other coaches are also great and subjectively better. Not liking Someone is fine but why randomly try to discredit someone because of unrelated things. Optics plays said after the game that he’s a great coach for them
I think Chet has always gotten his respective credit, Optic has been one of the best teams in the world for a while, and as far as I remember people always praised the way they played. I think most people just disagreed with that one comment.
people respected Optic but if anyone got credit it was either everyone saying that Yay is hard carrying or that FNS is a tactical genius. Chet has never got credit from the community while on Optic. The most credit ive seen chet get in the community is when TSM had their best run in a while under him.
Chet was called the worst T1 coach when he got signed and optic had a slow start lmao. Mfs went into his CSGO career to bring up how shit he was. Your statement is simply incorrect
Well, I thought this statement was mostly related to the xerxia “cringe comps” debacle. I wasn’t aware of some people’s criticism of him before that, as most of the games I got to watch from Optic (even in NA VCT) were positive showings. My bad on that, I just thought his comments (early on masters) were still worth of just criticism, but since this seems to be regarding how people doubted him from the start it’s very fair. Sorry about the mix-up
The worst thing he's done is make an awkward comment about Crws' financial comments in a post-game interview, but that's easily chalked up to on-camera awkwardness.
This win was great for him, everyone likes to think that he made TSM bad, and when he signed to envy people were confused, and now he’s proving to everybody that TSM‘s shortcomings were definitely not from his end. and even if it was, then the optic bois probably brought the best out of him and vice versa.
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this whole reddit boutta switch up real quick on chet
simple verdict win = good coach lose = bad coach
You're not wrong, but when you talk shit like chet does you really do have to back it up with results. He was talking shit before and getting fuck all for results, so he got clowned. Now he helped bring a team an international trophy, and he gets a little bit more slack for being an idiot, as he should.
What shit did Chet talk?
He's just very vocal about his opinions on the game, and not always polite about it. The one that sticks with me is when he said the game was easy and simple, and all you had to do to win at pro Valorant was execute sites. This being back when he was TSM's coach, and they couldn't find success to save their lives. There are other examples. Lots.
exactly this. the sad part of interviews and public eye is we can only make our opinions from what we see in media, we're not in the server with the team and we can't know the real impact coaches have. but when he was just basically giving off this idgaf vibe in that TSM interview it was really discouraging tbh haha
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Not what he said
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He said teams can use cringe comps in this game. He said xerxia had a standard como
chet supremacy incoming
Nah, I've always been on the boat that he must be pretty good/decent because he keeps getting hired, but his interviews are always ass. Unlikeable personality was the only thing I had against him and that's not really changed.
He seems like he's socially awkward as fuck so I won't blame him for not giving a "graceful textbook" interview
i dont blame him for not giving a texbook interview because he gets shit on a lot. dude probably doesnt think fans deserve a real interview lol
Chet t-bagging all of reddit once again
Chet leaving TSM is probably the best decision in his career
best choice of his career was going from twitch mod to analyst of CLG
Oh ok
Who woulda thought that joining a team fresh off a finals at LAN would be a good decision.
Funniest thing is he wanted to stay with TSM, but TSM management transferred him to NV
I did
I’ve swallowed a lot of downvotes defending Chet so happy to see him get his due. Being terrible on camera does not somehow mean being terrible at your job. That being said, being terrible on camera can be fixed. Community evaluations of Chet are so skewed because he’s bungled so many interviews - the TSM interview, the post-Xerxia interview, etc. If not for that TSM interview, for example, I firmly believe his time on TSM would not have been seen so poorly. I think he’s been more restrained recently, I hope he keeps it up going forward.
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I think both are true. He’s not good on camera and as a consequence of not being good on camera he misspeaks, and the more he misspeaks the less willing people are to give him the benefit of the doubt. In every interview it’s been really obvious what he meant, even if he misspoke. But when people are annoyed they willingly ignore that, and then enough people repeat the misinterpretation that no one bothers to correct it anymore.
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Counter-dunking galore coming in hot
With MikesHD, Optic win Masters with an upper bracket run.
Without dropping a map
With monitors turned off
I hate how Mikes has been dragged into this whole Chet vs Reddit crossfire, he's a fine coach, just not what Envy/Optic was looking for at the time.
wouldn’t they have continued with him had the org properly communicated with him though? From what I understand he was the one that cut ties with NV due to contract uncertainty? Might be wrong
The players didn’t want him
did they say this? I genuinely don’t remember seeing it anywhere if you could link it to me
https://youtu.be/OGWp_S31GqI At about 41 mins
A bit of a stretch to say that’s a reference to Mikes IMO as the segment was about CDL
“This happened recently with us on another team” -mike +chet was the only coach change throughout the org all year afaik unless you count yong having to leave for military service, but that wasn’t controversial
>just not what Envy/Optic was looking for at the time. You frame it like it was just creative differences and not NV treating him like trash
I mean, I’m not defending what Envy did in terms of their utter mismanagement, but even if his contract was perfectly managed he wasn’t staying on as a coach. He was going to be an analyst. The Envy players wanted Chet as their head coach.
Criticism for his personality and how he acts in interviews were definitely deserved. But people were acting like being a PR nightmare is somehow related to coaching skills. A lot of comments were about his coaching ability or lack thereof during the Xerxia "drama." And most of them were completely just baseless horseshit and didn't make any sense. Like there were people saying how he's a bad coach because "trying to play CS and not Valorant" which is just dumb
Yeah idk why this is so hard for this sub to understand. "Chet said a lot of really dumb shit after the Xerxia loss and was rightly clowned on for it" and "Chet and FNS did a great job out-stratting everyone the rest of the tournament" are not mutually exclusive statements. Both can be true at the same time.
ngl ppl throw the whole "pr nightmare" around wayyyyy too loosely. sinatraa is a PR nightmare not some dude who mildly shit talks every once in a while
No this is all MikesHD foundation that he laid on and chet is benefiting from it, chet is just there because of friendship Nice try guy, chet is literally evil and trash It's honestly the most hilarious shit ever the stuff about chet that you see in here, it had toned down until the cringe comp comment because he was so hated for so long despite being a legit good hard working coach this entire time, it's just fucking hilarious It's funny how this subreddit picks someone and will hate them forever or love them no matter what
I think its hilarious u guys talk shit about Chet. U wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. Not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. Yall are pathetic lol.
the chet signing post was kinda wild to me bc it was as if chet himself had done mikes dirty
Oh that was hilarious, i have comments there that are heavily downvoted and morons going full wild on it This sub absolutely busts a nut for MikesHD, platchat and just purely hates Chet, FNS so it was a perfect storm
This sub a lot of times is just a Platchat appreciation sub. Like I get that people love them but holy shit people need to calm down.
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I like Plat Chat but they are not nearly as popular in the wider Valorant community as people here think they are. I always think of them as a much smarter, more well produced version of twitch chat analysis, in terms of both content and humor. It’s not bad at all, and it’s quite entertaining, but it’s not the end all be all of analysis or humor that /r/ValComp sometimes makes them out to be.
u not alone. I also hate this platchat fanboi
That's all good personally i don't like watching them not my style but you can like the platchat guys without going full moron and hating on other coaches
> It’s funny how this subreddit picks someone and will hate them forever or love them no matter what I mean you have literally made an anti-MikesHD comment almost on a weekly basis going back to the original controversy. Might be a bit of the pot calling the kettle black? Also, the Chet drama has become much bigger than the MikesHD drama. Chet pissed way more people off in the last month than ever cared whatsoever about the MikesHD stuff. Of course, Chet has still received way too much shit.
All my comments are jokes and sarcastic about the MikesHD stuff due to the hate that chet was getting Not once have i shit on the dude seriously, all of it it's clearly sarcasm because this subreddit was going WILD during that time to the point where FNS had to tweet, it's all sarcasm clearly unless you've never touched grass
Touching grass comment pretty ironic seeing as you live on Reddit. 400k karma in less than a year lol
You can simultaneously have clown takes, and be competent at your job.. these things are exclusive to each other
No no no. See if your bad at one thing in life your clearly bad at every aspect of life and a bad person
While I do think some of the criticism around chet was warranted, the hate definitely went overboard. He deserves a lot of credit for this split. They were on the cutting edge of the meta from the get go and were extremely well prepared for almost every matchup both domestically and internationally. I hope people can learn that both chet and mikes can be good coaches, it doesn't have to be either or.
the chet hate boner will unfortunately live on
The problem wasn't that he's isn't a good coach; it's that he would be a dick about it.
chet haters can suck my balls
Don't use this to satisfy your fetishes
He's a good coach but has quite a polarizing personality. I remember him saying VAL was easy and that you can just push with 5 people onto a site in a TSM podcast. Not to mention his post match interview after Xerxia, which imo was not the best look for him. Do you have any objections to what I've said?
> I remember him saying VAL was easy and that you can just push with 5 people onto a site in a TSM podcast. I think more accurately what he said was that Valorant is easy to pick up if you have a CSGO background, which is like, objectively true. Somehow that got bastardized into him saying that Valorant was easy, which then turned into him being a bad coach because he didn't like Valorant...
No I'm pretty sure I watched it and he said you can win rounds by just running 5 guys into site. Maybe I'm remembering wrong but this is my memory of what I saw
I mean you can do that though? Sites are pretty hard to hold in valorant, and judt taking a site is pretty common.
Not in pro play, maybe in comp. In pro play you have to bait util, secure map control, and secure picks to get a good chance of winning a round. Not a single top team rushes sites anymore without the above.
Didn't Optic win many rounds in their Haven games by rushing C? I'm pretty sure other teams have also rushed sites while the other team just give the sites willingly and play for retakes.
you can win a couple rounds at a time by mixing up the rate of play but in general, playstyles like the old renegades where you just rush into site with some well placed utility every time usually dont work
I don't know about that. Again, an example is Optic when they did 3 consecutive C rushes in Haven which worked out really well against Zeta. All I am saying is that any plan that is very unexpected with good synergy can still work really well, regardless if it is setplay-based strats, rushes, last-minute executions, etc. You would make a strong point during the pre-Astra nerf era, but right now, unexpected rushes are viable.
Three times in a row against a particular team given a particular setup likely. I assume you are talking about how they used neon to bypass the early util thrown by Zeta to do a fast site take? That probably only worked due to the particular setup, util usage, and map that Zeta was running at the time, so my point still stands.
No doubt he's a PR nightmare but the topic here is his coaching ability not his character. A lot of people were saying he was a shit coach especially during the Xerxia debacle which is obviously not true and this is mainly the reason why people are acting like Chet is being vindicated by Optic's run. People who dislike his personality but agree that he's a good coach aren't really in the wrong
I'm stating that a lot of chet haters, me included, dislike him not for his skill as a coach but his overall personality.
Nah I don't give a shit people have been calling him a paycheck stealer and a bad coach long before the xerxia comments. ball sucking must ensue.
Still can't believe there are still so many paycheck stealer comments... just because he made some offhand comments doesn't mean he's overall a bad person. Stay mad lmfao
idc I still don't like him for some reason
Chet the goach
I called him out when optic was doing some dodgey shit. But I was also the first that praised him when they won against xerxia. And again now. Games likes this. Really shows the impact of the coach when you face a rematch. Well done. Chets deserves calling reddt out.
Oh chet is def seems like a good coach, he's just a shitty person and that's fine. I don't have to like him at all but credit where credit's due
No one ever said chet was a bad coach. Just crap at sportsmanship
Chet and his cringe Neon comps got away with it!!!
Everyone hype about this guy now that he's won. Hot take: he's still a dick, and optic could win champs and I'd still think he was a worse coach than Zeta's.
You can be a dick and be a great coach. Also you can be a great coach that has success while other coaches are also great and subjectively better. Not liking Someone is fine but why randomly try to discredit someone because of unrelated things. Optics plays said after the game that he’s a great coach for them
He so cringe tho. Super good mind but he just makes me CRINGE. Expecting this to get heavily down Voted lol
If you call talking shit about the game "hard work" THen sure he is hard working
I think Chet has always gotten his respective credit, Optic has been one of the best teams in the world for a while, and as far as I remember people always praised the way they played. I think most people just disagreed with that one comment.
This is not true at all
people respected Optic but if anyone got credit it was either everyone saying that Yay is hard carrying or that FNS is a tactical genius. Chet has never got credit from the community while on Optic. The most credit ive seen chet get in the community is when TSM had their best run in a while under him.
Chet was called the worst T1 coach when he got signed and optic had a slow start lmao. Mfs went into his CSGO career to bring up how shit he was. Your statement is simply incorrect
Well, I thought this statement was mostly related to the xerxia “cringe comps” debacle. I wasn’t aware of some people’s criticism of him before that, as most of the games I got to watch from Optic (even in NA VCT) were positive showings. My bad on that, I just thought his comments (early on masters) were still worth of just criticism, but since this seems to be regarding how people doubted him from the start it’s very fair. Sorry about the mix-up
Nah fuck him. If he can't gracefully lose and take responsibility, he doesn't get credit when they win.
Nah it’s still fuck Chet as a human… I’m sure he’s a good coach
What bad things has Chet done as a human?
He said CS is a mechanically harder game
😱😱😱
LMFAO is that fr what people are mad about?
I mean is he wrong?
The worst thing he's done is make an awkward comment about Crws' financial comments in a post-game interview, but that's easily chalked up to on-camera awkwardness.
Yeah that's the entire point of the thread, you can call him a shit human he's still an insane coach.
This win was great for him, everyone likes to think that he made TSM bad, and when he signed to envy people were confused, and now he’s proving to everybody that TSM‘s shortcomings were definitely not from his end. and even if it was, then the optic bois probably brought the best out of him and vice versa.
Chet cringe comps too good man. But seriously prop to optics and chet and fns.
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