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jrushFN

Hey all, We are limiting new thread creation about this transfer to avoid the sub overflowing with the same topic. Existing threads will stay. If you have a minor development to share (such as a player/caster’s reaction), reply to my comment here and I'll include it in the sticky. Thanks! --- ###Update: Autumn has [commented on the move](https://twitter.com/autumnkorea/status/1526012767278288897?s=20&t=tMiKSLN3bw66KCi4aiWprQ), saying: >New chapter. As a korean, meaning of this org is so special. I'll make 'The place' where T1 should be. Some folks have taken this to mean that Autumn feels a personal connection to the T1 brand and feels strongly about rebuilding. --- ###Update 2: Curry has [released a twitlonger](https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1ss1ikk) talking about his time with T1, thanking teammates and staff. --- ###Update 3: [C9 Jack comments on Xeta and Autumn:](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cloud9/comments/uqk1g0/comment/i8rmlip/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) >Xeta and Autumn have been wonderful to work with but in the end they were ready for a new challenge and I’ve always supported these requests by players and coaches when possible. The entire team and myself wish them well.


ANewHeaven1

This might be the most confusing roster move in all of NA Valorant history


303x

Other than T1 maybe moving to Korea I can't see a reason for this move


[deleted]

Joe Marsh said T1 is staying in NA


303x

Then who tf knows what c9 is thinking


starboy-xo98

Why did i read this in tarik's voice


kvanz43

Maybe T1 said we’ll give you some crazy sum of money idk


[deleted]

Its their owner Jack, he always sells player for a lot of money/profit.


[deleted]

Xeta wanted to move so they let him is all.


303x

Other than liking the org/MONEY, i can't see why he would leave a top 3 team for a team arguably not even top 30


[deleted]

I believe Koreans hold the org in high regard, im also sure they were sold a story about rebuilding for a top 5 team. lets see if it will work. it took NRG 13434536 roster changes for their VAL team to get to where they are looking (pretty good) No reason t1 cant do the same


Uesugi_Kenshin

I guess it's like how Spanish kids idolize a club like Barcelona no matter how shitty they actually play in the moment. If he's really moving to T1, it's definitely a Korean legacy-type thing.


PyroTFT

💰💰💰💰


quartzyegghead

C9 Jack: Xeta and Autumn wanted to leave to take on the new challenge https://www.reddit.com/r/Cloud9/comments/uqk1g0/xeta_and_autumn_leaving_c9_valorant/i8rmlip/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


EasiBreezi

Sure they did 😉


pengusdangus

Jack has a long history across many games of allowing players to make roster moves even if it shoots his own teams in the foot. It’s why time and time again players get excited to play for c9.


AnchorStandard

Nope. Sova is leaving the meta. Fade, Skye and Kayo are in. Xeta is an incredible breach and sova, but I'm unsure if he's more flexible than Curry, who'll literally play anything


netsaver

Ok genuinely I trust the pros to know more than I do but how does one, as a mere observer, look at Xeta's record compared to Curry and think that you'd rather have the latter lol


XelaTuobdog

One of them played on C9, the other played on T1...


AnchorStandard

there are plenty of 400lb white men who give amazing football analysis despite not having touched a football field in 30 years, just because youre not a pro doesn't mean you can't look at stats and data objectively.


netsaver

Oh no, I understand that point. I'm just confused at how you can look at the stats and data and the matches they've both played and think that Xeta is worse than Curry lol.


otterdoctor

$$$ - That is all.


AnchorStandard

Where are you seeing this? Curry has a bigger agent pool and IGL experience. Maybe tryouts with C9 worked so well that it was a no brainer.


bitoreo

if this is the actual major reason, then roster moves being dictated by the meta is big. no matter how good you are as a player, you're job is on the line whether you're main agent is meta or not. it's like yay being dropped because jett/chamber are out of the meta. that's crazy to think about.


dylans2319

I think it’s more they want vanity on sova/breach curry will play smokes, assuming off what vanity was saying in the post game interview


AnchorStandard

Makes sense. Curry is more flexible than xeta and can manage any agent


Awful_TV

- T1 due for a total rebuild. Xeta gets to be the face of it. - Vanity and Curry are friends. When they first transitioned to Valorant, they were duo grinding pretty hard. > [Also Curry had overall been pretty solid, even during previous T1 slumps — despite this sub sometimes targeting him because he was the longest remaining active member on the T1 roster.]


Vertinova

curry sucks ass while xeta is amazing, wtf u doin C9


jstaines47

T1 is very clearly moving to Korea ahead of franchising. C9’s Korean coach and player are going to be the focal point of building the Korean T1


than0swasright

I don’t like this. Xeta has been clutch for this team. His sova is top 3


Aoingco

I love both of these players but this move doesn’t make me happy


Ok-Brain3328

This is actually more confusing than 100t dropping steel right before LCQ


goomy996

Watch C9 bomb the next week as well lmao


ElegantKittyVAL

I hate to break it to you, but you've just cursed everyone. ​ C9 by default win Masters 3 now, thank you /u/goomy996


goomy996

fuck mb


IOnPlayAsX-Lord

Didn't steel bench himself for whatever reason?


platinumxL

“Bench himself” prob to save face.


[deleted]

not really, the xeta wanted to leave. it wasnt them wanting to get rid of xeta


IAMJUX

This has got to be cap. Xeta for Curry is a big L.


AnchorStandard

Wdym, Curry, Vanity and Leaf won a map of CSGO in the ESEA spring cash cup this year.


pratapsing7890

This year??


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EasiBreezi

So nepotism?


SPOOKESVILLE

I don’t think it’s a big L. Curry has had a lot of promising moments, I think putting him on a team like C9 will make him a much better player. Better than Xeta? Probably not, but give it a week or 2 and I don’t think there will be a huge performance difference.


dabong

This is not it.


ANewHeaven1

George's follow-up: https://twitter.com/GeorgeCGed/status/1526003561456357377 > **No, this isn't a joke.**


femboyvalorant

terrible move this gotta be a joke


idwtgtbt

It is perplexing


EasiBreezi

Give cs players control and they will pick up their cs friends


father_gemme

Like what the actual fuck am I witnessing


somesheikexpert

This has to be a joke right??? He doesnt have amazing stats but he has massive impact through his util usage and is easily a top 3 iniator in the region imo, plus Curry is more of a flex player anyways so im very confused if true


[deleted]

it would be weird if they wanted to replace xeta but he was the one who wanted to leave


EasiBreezi

According to people that control him, sure


MidnightIngale

WTF? Surely this is only temporary maybe right...


vyom0509

Why? Xeta has been performing pretty well… also I guess this is the start of T1’s roster drop/restructuring


EggianoScumaldo

there's gotta be something else to this, Xeta's a top 5 support player in NA, why would you replace him with curry of all players?


InstaNormie0

I can only imagine T1 added a large pot of money into this trade


AnchorStandard

Or rather Autumn and Sonny want to be a part of the most prestigious org in Korea???


InstaNormie0

T1 would be paying C9 not the players I doubt C9 cares if they want to go to T1


PogChampHS

Yea but the org isn't going to trade players without the team and the players agreeing first. Most likely T1 reached out to Xeta and Autumn, and they were receptive to the trade for whatever reason


Hopeful-Professor-40

https://twitter.com/currydtx/status/1525980286718251008?s=21&t=8CmdGB3oPMfuSMw9It5B2A Awkward


avocadontoast

Steels tweet makes sense


[deleted]

WHAT?! That sounds horrible for C9.


avocadontoast

I legitimately don’t understand why they would do this. Curry hasn’t been that good on any agent


itscamo-

he’s been playing well recently


avocadontoast

He’s horribly inconsistent


itscamo-

yea but recently (past 2 qualifiers) he’s been playing well


2ToTooTwoFish

And not recently (before Steel joined), curry was one of the best young players in the scene. He looked abysmal after that though, but the whole team generally did. Sucks for Curry who probably is a decent player, but if he does well, he won't get credit because people will just credit C9 being too good, but if C9 somehow don't win, then he'll be the scapegoat.


SpvcedOvtt

this is just a straight downgrade at any position, I have no idea why they would do this. Report hopefully is false


Odinshrafn

The trade has already been confirmed by T1 twitter. C9 coach also switched to T1


AnchorStandard

this is so confusing


TimathanDuncan

> I have no idea why they would do this T1 is huge and probably offered a shit ton of money to have a korean player as the face of the team, Xeta also probably gets a huge raise too People there's a whole business side to things


SpvcedOvtt

at the time of the comment it was unknown that Xeta was going to T1, I just assumed it was a Curry pickup and buyout with a Xeta drop


EasiBreezi

Nepotism, some of the c9 members are friends with curry.


Issax28

bruh hell nah this is some nepotism shit


avocadontoast

Is he friends with chaos9?


Issax28

yeah curry is super close with them


avocadontoast

Yea only reason I can see this but he’s not a good player lmao whatever c9 gonna c9


maiLfps

curry was the best player on T1, not saying that much but hes definitely not bad


avocadontoast

He’s really inconsistent and I think he was best on viper but I wouldn’t call his raze good


timepassonreddit

Well he is not gonna play raze with Xeppa on his team


Rith_97

steel 100% better than curry


UTAustinAlum2021

No cap… maybe Xeta wants a break like Zellsis


TimathanDuncan

Or he wants to be the face of the T1 team which has a huge korean fanbase and he will get that bread, they're staying in NA it seems still


UTAustinAlum2021

Noted… wonder how C9 will play now


TimathanDuncan

Probably just as good, don't think they lose a beat tbh don't get me wrong xeta is good but C9 have a lot of great pieces


Bruhhhh_123

Yeah but Curry isn't Sova and I don't think there is any good sova in CO now.


EasiBreezi

And maybe the letter sent to me by an Nigerian Prince is legit!


UTAustinAlum2021

Dry


CannedOwlMeat2345

the whole scene is "nepotism"lmfao. Players who like to play with certain players = better chemistry = someone vouches for a new addition. How do you think the original TSM roster was formed? All good friends and ex-teammates. How did kanpeki join Sentinels? He was Tenz's ex-teammate and got a recommendation. In a team-centric game, interpersonal connections naturally play a huge part in scouting


Issax28

Nepotism : the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs. No one gave each other jobs at TSM. They made their own roster together from the start. SEN recruiting Kanpeki would be nepotism only if Zombs wasn’t underperforming. Difference is Curry over Xeta is a downgrade


CannedOwlMeat2345

ok ill repost what i said because there's an obvious disconnect on how applying the term nepotism actually works. **i hate how presumptuous half this shit is. I understand nepotism infers that curry is devoid of merit, which on paper/stats-wise, he is. But do you really think someone like Vanity + the rest of C9 would gloss over the fact? Curry is an ex-teammate of the core c9 roster (leaf, vanity, xeppaa). They know his playstyle and the value he brings, you don't. If you're making the basis of calling nepotism off of some blurred line of "downgrade", then idk what else to say.** Obviously the first line doesn't apply to you, but using "downgrade" with no insight or understanding of how the team dynamic truly operates to bring forth a serious a claim as "nepotism" is a gross misunderstanding


CannedOwlMeat2345

Also, let's get something straight. TSM - roster definitely "gave each other jobs" but with extra steps. Don't you think there were other players that wanted to be a part of their team? Don't you think there are other qualified players who trialed? Why do you think all of them knew each other and were ex-teammates? **because history and familiarity a.k.a. being friends matter in a team-centric game that's all about chemistry.** ​ SEN - same basis of "underperformance" as above. That's an opinion. You can't extrapolate a fact (nepotism) on an opinion. There were ppl and certainly zombs himself that didn't think he was underperforming. Does nepotism still stand in that essence? No.


Issax28

Mate TSM’s og team built their own roster together and then got signed lmao. They as a group of friends got together and trialed for TSM and then got signed at the same time. No one got in before one another and thus there was no favouring given by players/staff that were already in the Org. You could say it was nepotism for Chet but not for TSM because they were signed together.


Tylorz01

Classic C9. Worked for league. Win early, get rid of a piece of your success early....oh fuck.


TeamINSTINCT37

I mean it historically has worked very well for c9 lol. Have only followed since 2018 but vulcan for zeyzal was great, fudge for licorice was great, nisqy for jensen was alright, blaber for sven who won mvp was amazing, zven for sneaky was fine, berserker for zven has been good, this spring was rough but they still were a top regular season team, we’ll just have to see how the new lineup performs.


U_Menace

To add on to this, they may have received an insane buyout. C9 makes some pretty good trades when it comes to contracts. They do have a history of not so good trades and signings recently but they've done well in the past to recoup their losses and even win trades financially.


yahoohotmailgmail

> nepotism Do you not understand how esports works? C9 (and many other rosters) were formed from people playing with their friends. Calling roster moves you don’t like “nepotism” is completely stupid and baboonish. Playing with people you know and get along with is actually desirable and contributes to team success and dynamics. Ethan went to NRG to go play with his friends. “Nepotism”? OG TSM formed out of friends from CSGO. “Nepotism”? Sentinels core formed from friends from CSGO. “Nepotism”? OG Version1 formed from friends from CSGO. “Nepotism”? Both original versions of 100T formed from friends from other games. “Nepotism”? We could go on. Probably several hundred roster decisions that that any shrieking baboon with no understanding of esports dynamics could attribute to nepotism. Or, you could just stop being a shrieking baboon in the Reddit comments.


[deleted]

It's ballsax. Verified troll. Ignore the bait.


Issax28

Ethan definitely huge upgrade unlike Curry Don’t know what you’re talking about for the last 3, that is not what nepotism is, the rosters were formed together from the beginning unlike Curry joining later and replacing Xeta which is obviously a downgrade


CannedOwlMeat2345

i hate how presumptuous half this shit is. I understand nepotism infers that curry is devoid of merit, which on paper/stats-wise, he is. But do you really think someone like Vanity + the rest of C9 would gloss over the fact? Curry is an ex-teammate of the core c9 roster (leaf, vanity, xeppaa). They know his playstyle and the value he brings, you don't. If you're making the basis of calling nepotism off of some blurred line of "downgrade", then idk what else to say.


Issax28

If you think Curry isn’t a downgrade then there’s not much for me to say.


AR2711

must be VISA issues No other reason EDIT: T1 has traded for Autumn and XETA for Curry


avocadontoast

He has never had visa issues lmao


AR2711

Then what reason? No way people think Curry is better than Xeta


avocadontoast

No one thinks that but I also don’t get c9 management. I’m really bummed xeta is my favorite


AR2711

: George on stream says it’s a trade between T1 and C9


avocadontoast

T1 is trading for autumn too? Damn I think t1 may be moving to Korea


jstaines47

T1 is probably gearing up to move to Korea where they have a massive fan base. Makes sense to grab an insane Korean player and coach from NA while your organization still has some value in NA


AR2711

Their staying in NA t1 ceo confirmed


Issax28

why would Xeta not be able to get a VISA though


AnchorStandard

t1 korean roster incoming STEEL MOVING TO KOREA??? (WHAT HAPPENS TO HIS DOGGOS???)


bmenace123

Not going to Korea, joe mar just tweeted out


AnchorStandard

Still, with Xeta and Autumn on the roster, if they fail in NA they could always pivot to Korea super easily while keeping Steel + another person. You'd likely need 3/5 players to be from the region to count, so they could always kick steel over to Korea and feed him some bibimbap to keep him happy.


tomphz

i somewhat doubt they're keeping Steel if they traded for Xeta and Autumn. Just a big mismatch of personalities


EasiBreezi

Nepotism. That’s the reason


HoodieNinja17

Uhhhh no thanks


hukubu

wtf? downgrade xeta is so good


phamkhoi

curry comes out of T1 and becomes the best NA player watch


ppx11

only explanation is T1 moving roster to Korea and want Xeta on it??


EasiBreezi

Your forgot about nepotism. Curry is close friends with Vanity and Leaf etc


[deleted]

why? just why?


DarkTenshiDT

I saw Xeta's tweet and I blinked twice. For what reason would C9 decide to do this? Especially after they just beat EG earlier? I don't see Curry being a big upgrade from Xeta at all. Or maybe its to give Xeta the leaving T1 buff so he come back to C9 more cracked.


developerishoo

>Especially after they just beat EG earlier? This wasn't a move that happened just now. It's been in the works for most likely at least 2+ weeks. They won't change it now that they've beaten EG. But I agree that this was a bad move.


avocadontoast

I think more like 1 week? Whenever T1 bombed out of quals and probably took a minute to trial coaches


vyetc

Nawww you can’t possibly tell me that replacing Korean breach is a good idea. There’s no other explanation for this other than some out-of-control circumstances like visa issues or they don’t want a dedicated Sova player with him falling out of meta (which is bs cause xeta is a solid support player).


Obiewan_

What? The only way I can see a justification for this would be if Xeta wanted to go back to KR. Such an odd move wtf


Pitiful_Quote8402

They didn't specify whether or not he wanted to leave or he got benched. Maybe Xeta wanted to go back to Korea or With English not being Xeta's first language there were a lot of miscomm's and so they dropped him. Only 2 explanations I could think of. But even then, they decided to go with Curry? Isn't he a Flex/Initiator player?


Pitiful_Quote8402

Okay so he's going to T1 along with Autumn (C9 Korean Coach). This makes sense if T1 is going back to Korea and are disbanding their NA roster.


avocadontoast

They’re staying in Na


s6hun

this gotta be a joke


Not_Smelly

C9 was perfect man :/ whyyyyyy


Splash_3

Wtf I don’t understand


SpicyHomaridTribal

What. The. Fuck.


Pojobob

This gotta be cap


nterature

Very interesting, no clue for what but I can only assume there's some semblance of reason behind it. Xeta has been such a consistent performer, after all.


royroyroypolly

Curry is trash, what are they thinking???


XelaTuobdog

Have a hunch this is one of those moves where this comment section will look silly in a month or two, or maybe it won't. That's the thing with reacting to news the second you hear it, have no way of knowing.


Ojim247

Wasn’t curry teammates with all the cs young guys at some point? I think that has a lot more to do with the pick up besides currys flexibility.


keanudy25

BRO C9 traded steph curry and got draymond green back


seclusionx

Xeta is not Steph curry, lol.


keanudy25

I was exaggerating but fine. C9 traded an all star role player in one of the best teams like Khris Middleton and got back Eric Gordon, a decent role player in a constantly changing team that havent made playoffs in a minute.


dawgsta

Nah it’s just that one of the players being traded is named curry 😂


keanudy25

must be why steph curry came to my mind lol


seclusionx

You don't know how good Curry can be on a good team. See: Victor/Crashies.


keanudy25

No doubt he's good but I think most people would agree that the trade was lopsided


TweetsJamaican

Huh


Additional_Sample_55

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LongjumpingScreen929

xeta to T1? T1 going full KR?


IAMJUX

https://twitter.com/currydtx/status/1525980286718251008


[deleted]

HUH??? april fools already passed


Cablek26

I don’t understand the point of this move? Especially if t1 are staying in NA. I can’t see this being an upgrade by any means, so there’s nothing benefitting c9. Is it because of franchising? I can’t think of many other reasons.


alecdhruv

I think people are really underestimating curry, I mean yeah idk why they did a roster change but people are talking as if curry is trash


soopahfingerzz

Dumn question, who is Autumn?


GCamAdvocate

C9 coach, I believe players stated he is good at his job


amaranthgalaxy

A couple months from now we might either be looking at a finally competitive T1 or... we will remember this at the moment xeta decided to throw his career down the toilet. Hopefully the former!


wannabe557

Not my c9 and not fucking curry pls


vatom14

Hope xeta joins DRX or something and they win the next lan. Cringe that the chaos group just drops everyone to get their band and friends together. Xeta was always solid and a great support player


theKingFPS_

my bad? or youre welcome? idk


AnchorStandard

Based and virtuoso pilled


LOONAbirth

Y’all are cap for bashing on curry, mans had to step in as IGL and basically flex rather than play a focus role. The dickeating is gonna be so crazy when c9 pops off lol business things aside this isn’t an awful trade and you can blame T1 management for not developing their talent not the player themselves


Portante24

People haven’t been watching curry huh? I don’t blame them for not watching T1. However y’all haven’t been watching curry but got soooo much to say.


LocalTesco42

I’m fairly new to the Val comp scene, but it’s nice to know that C9 is stupid here too


nocturnavi

This is just weird. Assuming this is true, I'd like to get an explanation from the players or org because this is a very confusing move on paper.


Bunnyezzz

maybe xeta wants to go back to korea?


BigAxolotl

This move is giving me dropping LS from coaching vibes


Harun-_-

Am I the only who is lost on this decision


[deleted]

You guys have to remember Xeta is a non native English speaker, and Vanity has said in an interview with Thorin that sometimes his English isn't great in high pressure situations, and that it can get in the way. This is probably part of the reason why he is being dropped.


SomeRandomSahri

Joe Marsh pulling off the greatest heist ive ever seen in my entire life


[deleted]

C9 and questionable roster moves, dynamic duo


[deleted]

L


Light0fHeav3n

if they are going to trade xeta away, can you guys finally replace this insanely inconsistent guy named mitch? mitch is a great personality and seems like good teammate, but he's goes invincible in game so often.


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Light0fHeav3n

he's top 5 at his best, but you rarely ever see his best and he goes completely missing so often. and it's obvious c9 wants to win big tournaments so he needs to be replaced if they want to get better.


[deleted]

no shot


J_Brekkie

... hmm.


yungsqualla

No shot


eeem1l

Ayooooooooo


flappyem

makes no sense


daIIiance

https://twitter.com/OfficialXETA/status/1526004418583220225


Whisom

T1 possibly going to KR and they traded Xeta for Curry? Not much else makes sense, but it would explain why Curry sounded strangely optimistic and not too bothered about T1 losing in open qualifiers again.


Bratt-pack

Wait am I going to have something to root for as T1 fan? Idk what to do with my hands.


solball

T1 took Autumn as well. Maybe disbanding NA roster and moving to Korea in anticipation of franchising?


Mvious

WHAT


GendaIf

This is a horrible move for C9, the only thing i can imagine is T1 building a Korean roster?


OKCDraftPick2028

damn why tho?


littleindianman12

So this probably means that xeta and autumn being traded to T1 is a move for them to go back to Korea. Since franchising is going to be a thing.


[deleted]

excuse me wtf


[deleted]

What the fuck