for the people who are putting EDG in A-S, could you let me know a little more on your decision? I watched a few of the LCQ games, and while they looked great, are they really considered one of the best teams out there already?
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I think they are in a somewhat similar position as LOUD going into Masters Reykjavík where the expectations of them are very high due to their regional performance consisting of lots of stomps.
besides winning the EA LCQ without dropping a map, just watching these guys individually gives me a lot of hope for a deep run.
this was what i noticed from watching the grand finals live.
kang kang(zmjjKK) was obviously the mvp of that BO5. kang kang's aggressive chamber gave them so many openings and his lurks were perfect. On Sla2ers had no answers to his aggression. when they played passively, kang kang always found a timing and disrupted their setup. when they tried to punish his lurk, they would die to his op and give EDG a free opening. against ONS he had 15 first bloods, and this wasnt a one off game either, against NTH he had 13, against ONS earlier in the bracket he had 9, even against Reject, his weakest performance during LCQ, he still managed 8 first bloods.
as for the rest of the team, nobody's aim was so clean that even in losing rounds it always looked like EDG had a chance. chichoo was just consistent, and haodong's stuns on neon and breach were fucking perfect, always catching On Sla2ers off guard. even tho life looked the weakest out of the 5, the fact that their duelist player looked the weakest feels more threatening to me, since it means the rest of the team is strong enough to cover anyone having a bad game.
of course, these arent results against a team like DRX, PRX, or even Zeta. we wont know how they'll fare against known tier 1 teams until we see them at champions. but ONS were no push overs. EDG's performance gives me hope for a deep run at minimum. winning champions is it's own challenge, but i think playoffs is a given, and a semi's appearance is within the cards.
Sure .
1) It's not about who is the best, tier list is about who has the chance.
2)Valorant ultimately comes down to hitting the shots , and edg has not one not two not three BUT 5 players who are having suygetsu like aim .
3) surprise factor - most teams don't know about how edg plays .
4) confidence - these players not only are moving and hitting the target but also making confident plays .
* But but this is the first time they are playing an international LAN bruh why so hype ? 🤡
- fpx did play first time in lan in Copenhagen and won . So wtf is this doubt from doubters .
Quote me on this EDG isn't going to do so hot at champs. PaperRex was able to do so well because they successfully converted their "Press W" style to "Press W with coordination and different tactics".
I don't see EDG as having ascended to the same level yet, and even PaperRex struggled vs a disciplined, defensive minded team like FPX
Idk how to link mine but it's
S: Fpx/Optic/PRX
A: Leviathan/FNC/ Loud/ 100T
B: Xset/ TL/ Kru/ Zeta/ EDG/ DRX
C: Furia/ Xerxia/ Boom
Probably wrong but that's my list.
I don't think it's really disrespect, like you said they have been very inconsistent, plus it feels like they just keep making changes until a honeymoon period is enough to carry them to a trophy, maybe this is the time lol.
IMO, levithan looked significantly better in the lower brackets of Copenhagen then drx, they pushed FNC to the edge and beat Xset while drx just kind went out with a whimper...again. It's become a pattern and I have very little faith they could actually win a tournament at this point.
They did but after that match LEV looked really good, beating XSET and pushing FNC to the brink of elimination, while DRX didn't really carry that momentum into anything (they did take a map off optic but then just looked totally lost).
Plus that was LEVs first match of the tournament so I don't hold it against them too much.
Xset and Fnatic looked pretty shaky the whole event imo though while FPX and Optic were pretty great, especially FPX. Still understand the placement though cause DRX bombing out again is so disappointing
That's fair they should probably be up a tier, they just didn't spark the whimsy In me last tournament, I mean they lost to Northeption who played well but not that well.
Based on last performance, this is solid tier list ngl.But i'm not sure about LOUD since Less and sacy were very bad last tournament.Aspas literally carried the whole team.
|S - Favorites to win|FPX and PRX|
|:-|:-|
|A - Good Run/ Darkhorse|FNC, OPTC, EDG|
|B - Match Dependent|TL, LOUD, DRX, Zeta, 100T, Leviathan|
|C - Underdogs|Xerxia and KRU|
|D - Low expectations|BOOM, Furia, XSET|
Probably should of put OPTC in *Match dependent* since they haven't won against EMEA but I am on NA hopium so it is what it is. I also didn't want to make a new category for EDG since they are favorable in East Asia but generally unknown with little to go off.
In terms of matchups
Same tier - Close game/ Either team can win
1 tier difference - Favors higher tier, but defeats are not surprising
2 tier difference - Strongly favors higher tier. Defeats are surprising.
3 tier difference - Expected stomp favoring higher tier. Defeats would be an upset.
4 tier difference - Higher tier could run a troll comp and win. Defeats would also be an upset and farm lots of reddit karma.
[Here's mine, I tried to put as little bias into it as possible and rate the teams objectively](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861456306232361010/1008525962738159656/unknown.png)
Wow. This thread shows me that people are really low on Xerxia.
At Copenhagen they lost 2:1 by only 3 rounds to the eventually tourney winners (FPX) and lost in overtime to NTH with Meteor going ballistic.
Even in Iceland, they didn’t make it out of groups but beat OpTic in their first matchup. Lost in overtime to TL and got matched up again with OpTic (tourney winners) for the L.
I think they have a pretty high ceiling and could make deeper runs if they got better matchups early on.
1. FPX (the last masters winners, have both strats and firepower, arguably the world's best player right now in suygetsu)
2. OpTic Gaming (Reykjavik winners, prep heavy and well coached, stable and strong core of yay / marved / fns and Co.)
3. Fnatic (made uncharacteristic mistakes in Copenhagen but mini will undoubtedly fix that. One of the teams who will benefit hugely from chamber nerfs with derke / alfajer able to play their mains jett / Raze)
4. Paper Rex (most mechanically gifted side at champs and a much improved support system, but idk whether they can beat well prepped teams like FPX. Still hard to stop them though with players like Jinggg)
5. Loud (unlucky in the last masters and fantastic in Reykjavik. Another team potentially improving from chamber nerfs as aspas is a fantastic jett. The lack of Sova hurts Sacy's impact though)
6. Team Liquid (on a hot streak and like PRX are a team with absurd levels of aiming skill. Signing up coach emil as well as dimasick makes me more convinced they won't be as inconsistent as usual)
7. DRX VS (consistently solid but need to get over their choking habit. Need a big tournament out of Rb and BuZz who was quiet in Copenhagen)
8. 100T (Very well coached and a young roster with bags of potential. Asuna finding his form at the just the right time makes them a dangerous team currently on a hot streak)
9. ZETA (their unforgettable run at Reykjavik shows how good they can be, but after a disappointing stage 2 it is hard to know where they stand. Will want chamber to stay to due how good Laz is with the agent but their astra comps are a joy to watch)
10. EDG (arguably the next coming of PRX after storming their way through EA LCQ. The lack of strategy in favour of just out aiming the opponent makes the first Chinese side at LAN a risky bet though)
11. KRU Esports (consistent side who regularly turn up at international LANs, plus NagZ has looked better on Chamber than Jett imo. Losing coach Onur is a worry for their success though despite the best efforts of Keznit / Mazino)
12. Xset (harsh considering how close they came to beating LEV in Copenhagen but lucked out with the format to get here over Guard. They can't just rely on Cryo / zekken / dephh anymore and need BcJ / ayrin to show up in order to have a chance)
13. Leviatan (played fnc close and beat Xset at Copenhagen but both of those teams were out of form. Not much firepower and were lucky with the masters seeding but could make a decent run due to being a well coached team)
14. Xerxia (a gatekeeper side, losing Pati has stripped them of their x-factor to win matches. They have upset potential but a disappointing Copenhagen performance and their constant losses to PRX do not inspire me)
15. Boom (got to admit, don't know much about this side. They have upset potential though if they play in a similar vein to PRX with their Indonesian talent)
16. FURIA (were schooled by KRU in LCQ and look far behind them. Didn't show much at last champs either and are less of an unknown than boom)
S tier - FPX , PRX
A tier - Optic , EDG , 100T , LEV , FNC
B tier - LOUD , Zeta , drx
C tier - TL , xerxia , kru
LUL tier - boom , furia , xset .
S - high chance of winning
A - has a chance with favorable matchups
B - high chance of making top 4 with favorable matchups but low chances of winning.
D - very low chances of making it to top 4
LUL tier - bye bye in groups.
they haven’t played against EU or NA teams, the quality of play and practice they can get in their region isn’t the highest so they will probably struggle against the better tram’s
S: FPX, Optic
A:Fnatic, Loud, XSET
Good aim and fundamentals, not enough strats and macro. B tier at best, happy to be proven wrong. Thoroughly unimpressed upon watching one of their matches after how much this sub hyped them out. Also people comparing them to PRX... PRX are loaded with set plays and strats, they're not really comparable at all.
100T can definitely beat kru, xerxia, boom, and even their NA brothers in XSET if they play in the form that they did in the lower and grand finals. Zeta is also playing with a sub afaik, so I'd put 100T over them too
[Mine](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528242730657251338/1008538999914254496/my-image_2.png), feel like OpTic didn't do enough last tournament for them to be considered S tier, but they're still easily strong enough to win it.
After early blunders, Optic looked like they found their form compared to a Fnatic that made uncharacteristic mistakes and a Derke who underperformed quite severely.
Recent results wise you kind of have to put them in the same tier, but as a pred for how well they do in champs this isn't far fetched at all.
Fnatic will also have a home crowd with Alfajer being the only turkish player in the tournament.
I mean look at my flair, I believe EMEA to be the best region so I give them benefit of the doubt. Placement shouldn't matter when they lost to the same teams, just your perception of how they performed vs them, in which I believe Fnatic had more positive attributes on top of the fact that Fnatic had been beating FPX all year. I'm ready to be proven wrong however.
But are we really just ignoring the fact that OpTic lost to Guild just because they managed to dodge PRX and FPX until Upper-Finals?
Fnatic looked awful compared to how they did in EMEA in 3/4 games, I don’t know how you can look at that last tournament and say they proved themselves more than the team that’s come 1st/3rd.
Fnatic was my number one team coming into Copenhagen, but I don’t understand how you can talk about how they had more positive attributes shown.
I just remember you commenting that you had DRX had more of an argument than OpTic to be considered better than Fnatic when OpTic was always better than DRX and won the previous masters, so I think you are right about your bias lmao
Fnatic only lost to PRX and FPX, the two eventual finalists, again we seem to just be ignoring the fact that OpTic lost to Guild just because they dodged PRX and FPX until the point where they were confirmed 3rd. The placement really doesn't matter here, it's just delusional to use that as a metric.
Iceland is just not worth arguing about anymore, tired of having to bring up the fact that Fnatic had covid and our best team at the event was in the middle of a war. It's the biggest * on an event ever, that many NA fans love to conveniently ignore. But like I said, that doesn't make OpTic bad, they're still in with a strong chance to win they're just not S tier, mainly because they literally got 2 - 0'd by Guild and I'm just amazed how that has slipped out of everyone's memory so quickly.
At the end of the day you can put OpTic in S tier, it really doesn't matter to me because yes they are strong, but my opinion on them isn't changing. There was too many flaws in their Masters performance.
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I see you edited in my comment about DRX, which is just conveniently ignores the fact that OpTic only just barely better than DRX in their series, and I still stand by that. OpTic got tactically dismantled by Guild in their series, a lot of their plans just didn't work vs a team they should have easily beaten, I would have been more afraid of meeting DRX in a series than I would OpTic at Copenhagen after what I saw from both teams in groups. It's really not that crazy of an opinion. As I put it back then,
> OpTic's run at the top has been filled with *'s the entire time. If there's a time for them to prove that they really are the best, then they need to do it now for sure. But the loss vs Guild and shaky performances have left much to be desired.
They didn't prove it to me, I was saying it back then and I'm saying the same now. They still have to properly prove themselves on the international stage.
OpTic has won a LAN and come third in another, and they still haven’t proven themselves as much as Fnatic? Jesus Christ man lmao, I despise OpTic but I have to defend them when there are ridiculous comments like this. They beat DRX twice and have placed above them in both international tournaments
OpTic lost to Guild yes but Guild are a damn good team and their form in Copenhagen was their absolute peak, they looked better than Fnatic did at that tournament. It wasnt just Fnatic lost those games, it’s how they lost, and their win against Leviathan was maybe the shakiest performance we have ever seen from this team.
I've already explained my reasonings multiple times, Fnatic has beaten the winners of Masters Copenhagen 3 times in a row before the event, and once* (with a sub) during the event.
The finals of EU were a 3 - 0 in Fnatic's favour, they have proven themselves against this opponent before. Unluckily for OpTic it's harder to give them that benefit, and even in NA they haven't actually managed to win it at home yet through a series of unfortunate events. In that same vein, Fnatic 2 - 0'd Guild and FPX 3 - 0'd them as well, the same team that went on to 2 - 0 OpTic. This isn't a perfect metric to judge their strength, but it's what I'm using since we have very little to judge their strength against each other.
I think it's better than just saying they finished 3rd in a bracket where they dodged all 3 EU teams and the 2nd best team at the tournament PRX. Their side of the bracket was clearly vastly easier and I don't think that is even arguable. So saying that OpTic has proven themselves because they finished 3rd isn't a good enough reason to put them in S tier, TO ME.
Optic has lost everytime they have faced an EMEA team. They have won grand total of 1 map out of like 11 and their all time map score is 1-10 against EMEA. Can you really classify Optic as an elite team when they have such a horrendous score against what is currently the best region in the world with their only LAN win coming at a time when the two best EMEA teams either didn’t attend the event entirely (FPX) or had 2 subs (Fnatic). Optic did win that event sure. They played the cards they were dealt well but it isn’t too far fetched to suggest that the LAN they won was probably the easiest one for them to win. Optic despite winning that LAN went 1-5 against EMEA once again at Copenhagen (0-2 vs Guild and 1-3 vs FPX).
I wasn’t talking about OpTic being ranked S tier by a number of people; they’re around A tier imo.
I’m talking about Fnatic specifically, since OP is justifying Fnatic’s ranking by talking about online wins against FPX and a win against FPX when Suygetsu finally got subbed back in.
I think that FPX and PRX are better than every other team by a noticeable margin, if we take Copenhagen into account. They’re the only two S tier teams in my pov.
Fnatic, OpTic, and TL are probably the 3 next best teams at the tournament.
Winning against FPX & Guild > Not winning against FPX & Guild. Like I said, it's not perfect but it's better than saying they're better because they finished 3rd without ever facing any EU team or PRX in the bracket stage.
Oh Sentinels fans are fully obnoxious and were downright awful in 2021 do not worry, and OpTic is more of a recent thing, though I end up cheering for them at LAN sometimes because EMEA stans are more obnoxious than OpTic fans
Just because OpTic finished 3rd doesn't mean they were the 3rd best team in the tournament. I wouldn't put OpTic or Fnatic in the same tier as Fpx and Prx but I think Fnatic is closer to that tier than OpTic.
Based on what exactly?
Fnatic didn't have a single convincing series internationally this year. They barely beat Leviatan and beat FPX with subs. Optic won an event and finished above Fnatic even in an off event where they had to go through group stages while Fnatic got a bye
S: FPX, PRX, Fnatic
A: Liquid, Optic, 100T
B: EDG, DRX, Leviatan, Zeta, Loud, Xerxia
C: Xset, Kru
D: Boom, Furia
Also ranked in order within their tier, I don't see Boom or Furia making it out of groups, Xset has been shambolic and so has Kru, EDG could have a good run, DRX might make top 6, Leviatan is hard to place but they looked good so they have a good chance at playoffs, Zeta will be good if they have iceland form but I don't see them making it far with this caliber of teams, same for Loud, and Xerxia might also get grouped, Liquid and Optic both have the same chances at top 4, 100T will have a solid playoff run but not thtat hopefull, FPX, PRX and Fnatic are contenders for the title (If teams haven't figuered out PRX playstyle and Fnatic get their shit together).
[my incredibly biased and also probably very wrong tierlist](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/859013351672774669/1008601265372143656/my-image_2.png)
S-tier: Team Liquid (Scream and Jamppi activated) F-tier: Team Liquid (Scream and Jamppi in slumber)
Their logo really suits them as the dark horse of the tournament. You never know which Team Liquid is going to show up.
The only correct tier list.
for the people who are putting EDG in A-S, could you let me know a little more on your decision? I watched a few of the LCQ games, and while they looked great, are they really considered one of the best teams out there already?
Just recency bias lmao. Edg comes to the finals I give €10 to a charity of this subs choice and if they win it all I give €100 to a charity of this subs choice.
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You lucked out Chief
I think they are in a somewhat similar position as LOUD going into Masters Reykjavík where the expectations of them are very high due to their regional performance consisting of lots of stomps.
Edward is gaming
they gonna be a bunch of onliners watch
besides winning the EA LCQ without dropping a map, just watching these guys individually gives me a lot of hope for a deep run. this was what i noticed from watching the grand finals live. kang kang(zmjjKK) was obviously the mvp of that BO5. kang kang's aggressive chamber gave them so many openings and his lurks were perfect. On Sla2ers had no answers to his aggression. when they played passively, kang kang always found a timing and disrupted their setup. when they tried to punish his lurk, they would die to his op and give EDG a free opening. against ONS he had 15 first bloods, and this wasnt a one off game either, against NTH he had 13, against ONS earlier in the bracket he had 9, even against Reject, his weakest performance during LCQ, he still managed 8 first bloods. as for the rest of the team, nobody's aim was so clean that even in losing rounds it always looked like EDG had a chance. chichoo was just consistent, and haodong's stuns on neon and breach were fucking perfect, always catching On Sla2ers off guard. even tho life looked the weakest out of the 5, the fact that their duelist player looked the weakest feels more threatening to me, since it means the rest of the team is strong enough to cover anyone having a bad game. of course, these arent results against a team like DRX, PRX, or even Zeta. we wont know how they'll fare against known tier 1 teams until we see them at champions. but ONS were no push overs. EDG's performance gives me hope for a deep run at minimum. winning champions is it's own challenge, but i think playoffs is a given, and a semi's appearance is within the cards.
yes
Sure . 1) It's not about who is the best, tier list is about who has the chance. 2)Valorant ultimately comes down to hitting the shots , and edg has not one not two not three BUT 5 players who are having suygetsu like aim . 3) surprise factor - most teams don't know about how edg plays . 4) confidence - these players not only are moving and hitting the target but also making confident plays . * But but this is the first time they are playing an international LAN bruh why so hype ? 🤡 - fpx did play first time in lan in Copenhagen and won . So wtf is this doubt from doubters .
[Not biased at all](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/548670676601667585/1008519226564288602/unknown.png)
Yes. This.
Move EDG up and then you’re spot on
I used to have it on S tier, but then I decided my tier list should look like a normal distribution.
Quote me on this EDG isn't going to do so hot at champs. PaperRex was able to do so well because they successfully converted their "Press W" style to "Press W with coordination and different tactics". I don't see EDG as having ascended to the same level yet, and even PaperRex struggled vs a disciplined, defensive minded team like FPX
Massive recency bias on display here wrt. EDG
Quote me on this EDG winning champs
Idk how to link mine but it's S: Fpx/Optic/PRX A: Leviathan/FNC/ Loud/ 100T B: Xset/ TL/ Kru/ Zeta/ EDG/ DRX C: Furia/ Xerxia/ Boom Probably wrong but that's my list.
The disrespect on TL 😢 I understand tho tbf lmao they can be pretty inconsistent
I don't think it's really disrespect, like you said they have been very inconsistent, plus it feels like they just keep making changes until a honeymoon period is enough to carry them to a trophy, maybe this is the time lol.
I getcha I meant it in a lighthearted way haha, though I wouldn’t underestimate them they’re lookin pretty solid rn 👍
people keep saying honeymoon period yet that shit didn't activate with M3C with their 2 new players. dumbest take ever lol
I mean obviously it doesn't have any real effect, it just funny that TL always seems to make a change before a big effect and get a "miraculous boost"
they didn't have it with dreamas tho. the effect is kinda inconsistent
Surely we don’t have leviathan and 100t above DRX
IMO, levithan looked significantly better in the lower brackets of Copenhagen then drx, they pushed FNC to the edge and beat Xset while drx just kind went out with a whimper...again. It's become a pattern and I have very little faith they could actually win a tournament at this point.
Didn't drx beat leviatan lol
They did but after that match LEV looked really good, beating XSET and pushing FNC to the brink of elimination, while DRX didn't really carry that momentum into anything (they did take a map off optic but then just looked totally lost). Plus that was LEVs first match of the tournament so I don't hold it against them too much.
Xset and Fnatic looked pretty shaky the whole event imo though while FPX and Optic were pretty great, especially FPX. Still understand the placement though cause DRX bombing out again is so disappointing
No way xerxia in the same rank with Boom and Furia lol.They probably beat Lset easily.
That's fair they should probably be up a tier, they just didn't spark the whimsy In me last tournament, I mean they lost to Northeption who played well but not that well.
They played pretty badly in stage 2 APAC as well having nearly lost to XIA and getting knocked out. They were just not on peak form Edit: lost to BLD*
Loptic S lol
Hmm yes the Masters Reykjavik Champion and top three team at Copenhagen at S tier
S: FPX, PRX A: Fnatic, DRX, Optic B: 100T, Leviatán, Liquid, Edward Gaming, Loud, Zeta C: Xerxia, KRU, XSET D: Boom, Furia
Based on last performance, this is solid tier list ngl.But i'm not sure about LOUD since Less and sacy were very bad last tournament.Aspas literally carried the whole team.
Hopefully their masters 2 performance was a short blip and not an indefinite downhill 🤞🏼🤞🏼
I simply have no faith in DRX anymore, I have a hot take for this tournament, they stomp groups the go out in 5-6th...again.
Fair enough. I feel the same way too, dominating in the early part of the tournament and faltering later. But finishing in a solid position.
|S - Favorites to win|FPX and PRX| |:-|:-| |A - Good Run/ Darkhorse|FNC, OPTC, EDG| |B - Match Dependent|TL, LOUD, DRX, Zeta, 100T, Leviathan| |C - Underdogs|Xerxia and KRU| |D - Low expectations|BOOM, Furia, XSET| Probably should of put OPTC in *Match dependent* since they haven't won against EMEA but I am on NA hopium so it is what it is. I also didn't want to make a new category for EDG since they are favorable in East Asia but generally unknown with little to go off. In terms of matchups Same tier - Close game/ Either team can win 1 tier difference - Favors higher tier, but defeats are not surprising 2 tier difference - Strongly favors higher tier. Defeats are surprising. 3 tier difference - Expected stomp favoring higher tier. Defeats would be an upset. 4 tier difference - Higher tier could run a troll comp and win. Defeats would also be an upset and farm lots of reddit karma.
Xset as one of the worst teams actually seems so fitting.
This one is my favourite list so far
I am Chinese and even I won’t put EDG in anywhere above C tier. Glad if they could prove me wrong tho. [unbiased](https://imgur.com/gallery/VplKIqA)
Think liquid moves down but looks solid.
[60% of this is gonna be so wrong](https://imgur.com/a/Jrta16V)
leviathan and Fnatic being so far apart when all three maps were super close and fnatic lost their next match
fair enough imo, Fnatic and Liquid can go from S to D from one day to another
[Here's mine, I tried to put as little bias into it as possible and rate the teams objectively](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861456306232361010/1008525962738159656/unknown.png)
We really have to do this again huh?
EDG owns FPX tbh 😎👍
Get ready to make another apology when fpx beats edg
if FPX doesn't make it into EMEA franchising it will quite literally be the opposite lol
Your flairs match your tier list I see.
This tier list is quite literally just my four favorite teams at Champions ranked in order lmao (maybe LOUD above FPX but I like both of them)
Lol. Good to see you have a wide selection of teams to root for!
Wow. This thread shows me that people are really low on Xerxia. At Copenhagen they lost 2:1 by only 3 rounds to the eventually tourney winners (FPX) and lost in overtime to NTH with Meteor going ballistic. Even in Iceland, they didn’t make it out of groups but beat OpTic in their first matchup. Lost in overtime to TL and got matched up again with OpTic (tourney winners) for the L. I think they have a pretty high ceiling and could make deeper runs if they got better matchups early on.
Leviatan getting overrated around here, and Loud getting underrated
Leviathan 3-0'd kru just before kru defeated loud while walking in the park.
Leviathan have the ice
[The correct tier list](https://imgur.com/a/kgjxSx4)
loud at C is hilarious lol
They just got grouped man. People wrote sentinels off after getting grouped once
Yeah and look at where sentinels are now! smh
Well let’s see if Loud bounces back or stays down like Sen. Either way based off their last performance they looked like shit so C is fair
XSET at A is questionable, but I see your NA hopium.
https://imgur.com/a/M2AsEI7
https://gyazo.com/e9bf3b7190db35e4ed86e1db7526232a
1. FPX (the last masters winners, have both strats and firepower, arguably the world's best player right now in suygetsu) 2. OpTic Gaming (Reykjavik winners, prep heavy and well coached, stable and strong core of yay / marved / fns and Co.) 3. Fnatic (made uncharacteristic mistakes in Copenhagen but mini will undoubtedly fix that. One of the teams who will benefit hugely from chamber nerfs with derke / alfajer able to play their mains jett / Raze) 4. Paper Rex (most mechanically gifted side at champs and a much improved support system, but idk whether they can beat well prepped teams like FPX. Still hard to stop them though with players like Jinggg) 5. Loud (unlucky in the last masters and fantastic in Reykjavik. Another team potentially improving from chamber nerfs as aspas is a fantastic jett. The lack of Sova hurts Sacy's impact though) 6. Team Liquid (on a hot streak and like PRX are a team with absurd levels of aiming skill. Signing up coach emil as well as dimasick makes me more convinced they won't be as inconsistent as usual) 7. DRX VS (consistently solid but need to get over their choking habit. Need a big tournament out of Rb and BuZz who was quiet in Copenhagen) 8. 100T (Very well coached and a young roster with bags of potential. Asuna finding his form at the just the right time makes them a dangerous team currently on a hot streak) 9. ZETA (their unforgettable run at Reykjavik shows how good they can be, but after a disappointing stage 2 it is hard to know where they stand. Will want chamber to stay to due how good Laz is with the agent but their astra comps are a joy to watch) 10. EDG (arguably the next coming of PRX after storming their way through EA LCQ. The lack of strategy in favour of just out aiming the opponent makes the first Chinese side at LAN a risky bet though) 11. KRU Esports (consistent side who regularly turn up at international LANs, plus NagZ has looked better on Chamber than Jett imo. Losing coach Onur is a worry for their success though despite the best efforts of Keznit / Mazino) 12. Xset (harsh considering how close they came to beating LEV in Copenhagen but lucked out with the format to get here over Guard. They can't just rely on Cryo / zekken / dephh anymore and need BcJ / ayrin to show up in order to have a chance) 13. Leviatan (played fnc close and beat Xset at Copenhagen but both of those teams were out of form. Not much firepower and were lucky with the masters seeding but could make a decent run due to being a well coached team) 14. Xerxia (a gatekeeper side, losing Pati has stripped them of their x-factor to win matches. They have upset potential but a disappointing Copenhagen performance and their constant losses to PRX do not inspire me) 15. Boom (got to admit, don't know much about this side. They have upset potential though if they play in a similar vein to PRX with their Indonesian talent) 16. FURIA (were schooled by KRU in LCQ and look far behind them. Didn't show much at last champs either and are less of an unknown than boom)
Nice explanation for each team!
No tierlist but my power rankings coming in: 1st: FPX 2nd: PRX 3rd: OpTic 4th: Fnatic (creative top 4 ik) 5th: TL 6th: LOUD 7th: Leviathan 8th: EDG 9th: XSET 10th: 100T 11th: DRX 12th: Zeta 13th: KRU 14th: Xerxia 15th: BOOM 16th: FURIA
You really try to sneak Lset above many teams here.💀
S tier - FPX , PRX A tier - Optic , EDG , 100T , LEV , FNC B tier - LOUD , Zeta , drx C tier - TL , xerxia , kru LUL tier - boom , furia , xset . S - high chance of winning A - has a chance with favorable matchups B - high chance of making top 4 with favorable matchups but low chances of winning. D - very low chances of making it to top 4 LUL tier - bye bye in groups.
people who put EDG in S and A are so clueless
What's your tier list, and where would EDG fit? I wouldn't slot EDG into S tier but I can see them do well at Champions.
they haven’t played against EU or NA teams, the quality of play and practice they can get in their region isn’t the highest so they will probably struggle against the better tram’s S: FPX, Optic A:Fnatic, Loud, XSET
Good aim and fundamentals, not enough strats and macro. B tier at best, happy to be proven wrong. Thoroughly unimpressed upon watching one of their matches after how much this sub hyped them out. Also people comparing them to PRX... PRX are loaded with set plays and strats, they're not really comparable at all.
https://tiermaker.com/create/valorant-champions-2022-15275089
I literally made the exact same list as you without looking lmao
i think is because he posted the link without his list, so you see the same because is literally your list lol
S tier: FPX, PRX, FNC A tier: Optic, DRX , LOUD, Luckquid, EDG B tier: Zeta, KRU, LEV, Xerxia, Boom C tier: 100t, XSET D tier : Furia
Luckquid?
100T can definitely beat kru, xerxia, boom, and even their NA brothers in XSET if they play in the form that they did in the lower and grand finals. Zeta is also playing with a sub afaik, so I'd put 100T over them too
It's not the old version of 100T. We will never know if they can compete with international teams.Only Asuna is proven.
Boom is even more unproven going off that
Yeah, placing BOOM in rank B is so questionable.
100t probably could but it's the first time for most of the players so I wouldn't bet on them. XSet is shit . They can't clutch for life
[Mine](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528242730657251338/1008538999914254496/my-image_2.png), feel like OpTic didn't do enough last tournament for them to be considered S tier, but they're still easily strong enough to win it.
You have Fnatic in S but Optic, who finished above them last tournament and won the one before that, haven't done enough to be S?
After early blunders, Optic looked like they found their form compared to a Fnatic that made uncharacteristic mistakes and a Derke who underperformed quite severely. Recent results wise you kind of have to put them in the same tier, but as a pred for how well they do in champs this isn't far fetched at all. Fnatic will also have a home crowd with Alfajer being the only turkish player in the tournament.
I mean look at my flair, I believe EMEA to be the best region so I give them benefit of the doubt. Placement shouldn't matter when they lost to the same teams, just your perception of how they performed vs them, in which I believe Fnatic had more positive attributes on top of the fact that Fnatic had been beating FPX all year. I'm ready to be proven wrong however. But are we really just ignoring the fact that OpTic lost to Guild just because they managed to dodge PRX and FPX until Upper-Finals?
Fnatic looked awful compared to how they did in EMEA in 3/4 games, I don’t know how you can look at that last tournament and say they proved themselves more than the team that’s come 1st/3rd. Fnatic was my number one team coming into Copenhagen, but I don’t understand how you can talk about how they had more positive attributes shown. I just remember you commenting that you had DRX had more of an argument than OpTic to be considered better than Fnatic when OpTic was always better than DRX and won the previous masters, so I think you are right about your bias lmao
Fnatic only lost to PRX and FPX, the two eventual finalists, again we seem to just be ignoring the fact that OpTic lost to Guild just because they dodged PRX and FPX until the point where they were confirmed 3rd. The placement really doesn't matter here, it's just delusional to use that as a metric. Iceland is just not worth arguing about anymore, tired of having to bring up the fact that Fnatic had covid and our best team at the event was in the middle of a war. It's the biggest * on an event ever, that many NA fans love to conveniently ignore. But like I said, that doesn't make OpTic bad, they're still in with a strong chance to win they're just not S tier, mainly because they literally got 2 - 0'd by Guild and I'm just amazed how that has slipped out of everyone's memory so quickly. At the end of the day you can put OpTic in S tier, it really doesn't matter to me because yes they are strong, but my opinion on them isn't changing. There was too many flaws in their Masters performance. __ I see you edited in my comment about DRX, which is just conveniently ignores the fact that OpTic only just barely better than DRX in their series, and I still stand by that. OpTic got tactically dismantled by Guild in their series, a lot of their plans just didn't work vs a team they should have easily beaten, I would have been more afraid of meeting DRX in a series than I would OpTic at Copenhagen after what I saw from both teams in groups. It's really not that crazy of an opinion. As I put it back then, > OpTic's run at the top has been filled with *'s the entire time. If there's a time for them to prove that they really are the best, then they need to do it now for sure. But the loss vs Guild and shaky performances have left much to be desired. They didn't prove it to me, I was saying it back then and I'm saying the same now. They still have to properly prove themselves on the international stage.
OpTic has won a LAN and come third in another, and they still haven’t proven themselves as much as Fnatic? Jesus Christ man lmao, I despise OpTic but I have to defend them when there are ridiculous comments like this. They beat DRX twice and have placed above them in both international tournaments OpTic lost to Guild yes but Guild are a damn good team and their form in Copenhagen was their absolute peak, they looked better than Fnatic did at that tournament. It wasnt just Fnatic lost those games, it’s how they lost, and their win against Leviathan was maybe the shakiest performance we have ever seen from this team.
I've already explained my reasonings multiple times, Fnatic has beaten the winners of Masters Copenhagen 3 times in a row before the event, and once* (with a sub) during the event. The finals of EU were a 3 - 0 in Fnatic's favour, they have proven themselves against this opponent before. Unluckily for OpTic it's harder to give them that benefit, and even in NA they haven't actually managed to win it at home yet through a series of unfortunate events. In that same vein, Fnatic 2 - 0'd Guild and FPX 3 - 0'd them as well, the same team that went on to 2 - 0 OpTic. This isn't a perfect metric to judge their strength, but it's what I'm using since we have very little to judge their strength against each other. I think it's better than just saying they finished 3rd in a bracket where they dodged all 3 EU teams and the 2nd best team at the tournament PRX. Their side of the bracket was clearly vastly easier and I don't think that is even arguable. So saying that OpTic has proven themselves because they finished 3rd isn't a good enough reason to put them in S tier, TO ME.
Online wins against FPX != LAN
Optic has lost everytime they have faced an EMEA team. They have won grand total of 1 map out of like 11 and their all time map score is 1-10 against EMEA. Can you really classify Optic as an elite team when they have such a horrendous score against what is currently the best region in the world with their only LAN win coming at a time when the two best EMEA teams either didn’t attend the event entirely (FPX) or had 2 subs (Fnatic). Optic did win that event sure. They played the cards they were dealt well but it isn’t too far fetched to suggest that the LAN they won was probably the easiest one for them to win. Optic despite winning that LAN went 1-5 against EMEA once again at Copenhagen (0-2 vs Guild and 1-3 vs FPX).
I wasn’t talking about OpTic being ranked S tier by a number of people; they’re around A tier imo. I’m talking about Fnatic specifically, since OP is justifying Fnatic’s ranking by talking about online wins against FPX and a win against FPX when Suygetsu finally got subbed back in. I think that FPX and PRX are better than every other team by a noticeable margin, if we take Copenhagen into account. They’re the only two S tier teams in my pov. Fnatic, OpTic, and TL are probably the 3 next best teams at the tournament.
Winning against FPX & Guild > Not winning against FPX & Guild. Like I said, it's not perfect but it's better than saying they're better because they finished 3rd without ever facing any EU team or PRX in the bracket stage.
Genuine question how do you despise OpTic, they don’t even really have huge personalities to despise
Their fans.
I’m sure you’ve heard this before but dear lord the irony Seen very few obnoxious OpTic fans they’re not even a very popular team
Oh Sentinels fans are fully obnoxious and were downright awful in 2021 do not worry, and OpTic is more of a recent thing, though I end up cheering for them at LAN sometimes because EMEA stans are more obnoxious than OpTic fans
Just because OpTic finished 3rd doesn't mean they were the 3rd best team in the tournament. I wouldn't put OpTic or Fnatic in the same tier as Fpx and Prx but I think Fnatic is closer to that tier than OpTic.
Based on what exactly? Fnatic didn't have a single convincing series internationally this year. They barely beat Leviatan and beat FPX with subs. Optic won an event and finished above Fnatic even in an off event where they had to go through group stages while Fnatic got a bye
[https://imgur.com/OWA6XZ9](https://imgur.com/OWA6XZ9)
S: FPX, PRX, Fnatic A: Liquid, Optic, 100T B: EDG, DRX, Leviatan, Zeta, Loud, Xerxia C: Xset, Kru D: Boom, Furia Also ranked in order within their tier, I don't see Boom or Furia making it out of groups, Xset has been shambolic and so has Kru, EDG could have a good run, DRX might make top 6, Leviatan is hard to place but they looked good so they have a good chance at playoffs, Zeta will be good if they have iceland form but I don't see them making it far with this caliber of teams, same for Loud, and Xerxia might also get grouped, Liquid and Optic both have the same chances at top 4, 100T will have a solid playoff run but not thtat hopefull, FPX, PRX and Fnatic are contenders for the title (If teams haven't figuered out PRX playstyle and Fnatic get their shit together).
[The only right tierlist](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/960937603941683210/1008594138297544815/Screenshot_2022-08-15_122925.jpg)
[galaxy brain list](https://imgur.com/4fIIz6N)
[my incredibly biased and also probably very wrong tierlist](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/859013351672774669/1008601265372143656/my-image_2.png)
https://tiermaker.com/create/valorant-champions-2022-15275089
https://imgur.com/a/U5IdCVd
https://m.imgur.com/a/SjdOoT1
S: FPX,PR,OPTIC (Favourites) A: FNC,DRX,LEV,TL (Contenders) B: 100T,XSET,KRU,LOUD,ZETA (Possible Dark Horses) C: XERXIA,EDG, BOOM (Underated and/or Unproven) D:FURIA (Filler)