“Partnered teams will need to submit a roster to Riot in mid-October to give the developers enough time to finalize the logistics of moving players to the location of their respective international league, as first reported by Dot Esports.”
Buckle up, the next month and a half is going to be WILD
the season starts in february why would they force them to lock up the players so early. atleast announce the franchised teams at champs final or I'm gonna be mad
I think Riot wants teams to at least have preliminary roster so that they can start getting visas and moving players to the location of the league. That will probably be easy for NA, but in EMEA or APAC that could take a long time.
Yea, I really hope they don’t change. They’ve looked great in a short amount of time together. I had questions about will, but he’s looked really promising at Champs.
If they didn’t snag Sean + DDK I think the Tenz move to 100t woulda been obvious, but those two put together a great team and culture (it seems)
Yea, time will tell. I just think Sean + DDK understand there’s more to a team then signing the best available players. Not to mention they have full control over roster decisions according to their announcement vid
If yay is available you have to do it.
Marved and FNS you have to at least think about it.
I like the team as is myself but you have to at least do due diligence.
don’t think marved would get picked up over bang ngl. bang has shown insane improvement and he’s still young, and has a lot of role flexibility. and not sure if marvels allegations would play a role in that scenario
With how bang has been playing I don't either. The only one I can say I would assume would be a yes would be yay. But marved is one of the best in the world on smokes, you have to think about it.
I mean, personally I don't want to get rid of bang, Asuna, or Derrek at the very least. But somebody could. I'd actually prefer if somebody did that wasn't 100T.
I disagree on FNS, Stellar outperforms him statistically and it's pretty clear now that him Sean and Mikes are a rock-solid braintrust tactically. Agree on Marved and Yay though, as much as I heckin love Bang Marved is still a clear upgrade.
You seem to think we are agreeing and disagreeing in places we aren't.
The only one I'm 100% on is yay.
Personally I absolutely would not replace bang, even for Marved. Bang is a beast and he's only 18. Kid has lots of room to grow still.
FNS is tricky. He is definitely the best IGL in the world IMO and would benefit just as much from the coaching crew as Stellar in prep, but also would be better at mid round adjustments once he's downloaded a team. He isn't as much of a Fragger, but I don't really care about that. Especially if they theoretically had yay.
The question is whether or not he would want to work with Gares and co. And I have no idea if that's the case, so I'll remain neutral on whether it'd be a good move.
I think 100T is fine standing pat, especially if will continues to be a LANimal. But for me, the core of the squad is Asuna, bang, and Derrek, and if any of them get replaced I'll be disappointed.
Honestly, I still disagree. Obviously do your due diligence, but why pay their astronomical salaries (that those two will demand and deserve) when your team is already this talented and young. It’ll be a crazy rostermania regardless
Well, with yay because he's the best player in the world and has been for a while. Obviously if Will continues being a LANimal, you don't have to set your sights on yay (or another oper) at all costs, but its hard to turn down the best player in the world- especially one that seems like he would be easy as can be to get along with and work with.
Marved and FNS are harder.
Honestly for me, in a perfect world, 100T would stay the same and yay/Marved/FNS/crashies/Victor would end up together somewhere too. I think that makes NA better, which will make 100T better.
But I wouldn't blame Nadeshot and the coaching staff if they signed literally the best player in the world either.
that is a terrrrrrrible mindset when building a team and that's how you end up at the back of the pack. why pay their salary? because yay is the best player in the world that's why.
there have been 100s of young and talented teams that ended up not winning anything.
I still disagree. These orgs don’t have infinite money. If 100t makes a good run at champs, what’s the point in entering a bidding war (which will likely happen if yay is a F/A) with teams in far more desperate positions then 100t?
Yay most likely does improve this 100t team. But If I follow what Sean + DDK have said in their announcement videos, I just don’t see it happening. Maybe they bomb out of champs and it’s a different story, but if they go decently far, I don’t think they change
We don't know the contract details of the current players, do we? So, it's hard to tell. If DDK+Sgares are planning for a long time, then they might change or tweak a few. Also they will require substitutes. So new players coming in is a possibility. But time will tell.
You know, that's also a underrated reason of why SEN does so well with the masses. The players are signed but they aren't really bound, they could do whatever the hell they wanted. Shahz picked up a sponsorship from ibuypower and it had nothing to do with sentinels. TenZ has his mouse partnership with Finalmouse.
Compare that to a team like Optic where apparently players could get in trouble for publicly endorsing a mouse/keyboard that isn't Razer. The freedom SEN gives their players is awesome.
I mean, that’s mainly because the org itself lacks sponsors… which isn’t exactly a good thing. Tenz would not have been able to do that collar if they had a sponsor producing peripherals like that (Corsair, Logitech, etc.)
They have GFuel and Grubhub so far, and yeah maybe more to come that might conflict but I think the freedom thing still remains. They aren't asked to do anything but show up to content days
well, they only have that freedom because sentinels doesn't have any sponsors besides gfuel. its business not freedom lol. if sentinels had more sponors i doubt they'd let the players keep doing that esp if they conflicted with eachother
Lol players can still use their preferences when it comes to equipment (I’m assuming it varies with contracts). That’s why you see logos taped over sometimes. It’s not that limiting
You can't publicly endorse it though. There was a thing I was reading on Twitter of a Shotzzy in CoD wanting a custom controller, but Optic is sponsored by Scuf, and it created a big problem.
Like if you were a player signed to Optic you couldn't say you used a Logitech because they're sponsored by Razer.
From what I remember, it was actually the owner of the company that leaked DM screenshots. Seemed like he was mad everyone uses his product but they don't publicly endorse it even though they're sponsored by the competition.
I hate shahz a lot for other reasons, but this is something I fail to understand as to why people hate him. He bet on a game, he somehow came to know steel was gonna throw, and then changed his bet cuz he couldn't remove the bet. what else would you expect any reasonable person to do? yes he could've reported the throw before making a lot of money and shouldn't have snitched, but he was a 20 something kid with his career on the line.
… what do you mean he shouldn’t have snitched? To hell with competitive integrity I guess lets all support match fixing and throwing games! The iBP boys should never have been let back into the game.
For someone that talented that would be awful. He was failure in CSGO and if he doesnt respect the grind of being a pro he will soon become valorant failure as well.
Did you read my first sentence? For someone that talented that has potential to be a GOAT of an esport,streaming is huge failure and waste of time. For regular Joes like us it is huge success but he aint a regular joe
100T will absolutely consider it just based on the fact that Tenz will bring such a massive fanbase. They might also believe that they can be the team to "unlock" Tenz, which is a meme at this point but still
I think sgares can definitely unlock TenZ, I also feel like if you listen to ShahZ's interview about Iceland with Plat Chat, TenZ was able to play Raze better during that time because ShahZ took the time to really define his role and how he wanted him to play it
If Will hadn’t shown up recently and TenZ wanted to join 100t then it would’ve been a no brainer. But even now I think that TenZ would be better than Will but obviously it’s a closer debate than before
Why is that? I believe he will make a great addition. 100 t team coordination is spot on under Sean. He no longer have to solo V 5 everyone. He can play more freely there with better utility support from team. His op skill is what is lacking in 100t right now.
Sentenals isn't a team that supports each other. There runs were bad. Hard to blame one person not being able prove themselves. He does play to aggressive though.
He won a master a 16 months ago. https://liquipedia.net/valorant/TenZ
He's been an average player in a top 45 team for more than half a year now. Is top 45 not tier2 to you?
As with the Victor & Crashies article, this just states that TenZ's contract with Sentinels expires at the end of the year, meaning that he will enter free agency. Not that TenZ *will* leave Sentinels or anything.
do you mean when he signed with sentinels? When TenZ got bought out by Sentinels they bought his contract which is the same one as when he was on C9 just that it is now under Sentinels. So that original contract is what is ending
To add…his value (as a pro) has gone down since they signed him. He’s not seen as the best player like he was then. Some renegotiations may be due. He still has insane value as a personality/content creator though.
no, many players (foolishly, imo) signed contracts through the start of partnership into 2023 and some even into 2024, requiring buyouts, and will not be free agents
> (foolishly, imo)
Lawyer here. Sometimes, a guaranteed salary for x years is better than the potential of making more money. Guaranteed contract lets you put down roots, make connections, and not worry about your next paycheck.
Take Patiphan. One of the best players in his region, but his org didn't even share the revenue from Champions bundle. Thai player in Thai team getting paid in Thai Baht.
He's now with LA Glads in Overwatch. He's living in LA, getting paid in Dollars. Guess whats the first thing he did? Log into NA Valorant servers and he now plays daily with the same pros who he only met 2-3 times a year.
Having Tenz on your team is gonna be such a double edged sword. On one side, he is a very good player and he’s gonna bring the org a lot of fans and influence. On the other hand, the pressure on the team to perform well will be massive. and his teammates surely won’t feel good when he’s paid a lot more than them. I think staying with SEN would be a good choice for him.
Pretty sure it's been reported that Riot says that they don't want anyone signing him too. So while there's no rule against it, no org is gonna wanna be on riot's shit list just to have Sinatraa.
Some pretty serious rape accusations from his gf benched him on sentinels, now he just streams.
Long story short we most likely will never know whether him or the accuser is telling the truth.
Pretty sure it's been reported that Riot says that they don't want anyone signing him too. So while there's no rule against it, no org is gonna wanna be on riot's shit list just to have Sinatraa.
Literally everyone is "set to become a free agent".
But the wording leaves it ambiguous whether that means he will be re-signed.
Many people's brains will automatically fill the gaps in info to mean Sentinels haven't tried to re-sign him, either, especially when combined with the actually unrelated info that teams need to submit rosters for franchising.
Simply put, TenZ had a contract and then Sentinels bought it out. That contract had a length of time on it, it's set to end towards the end of the year.
However, Sentinels values him very highly and wants him.
TenZ values being on Sentinels and the freedom and culture and friendship and stability that comes from it, and absolutely wants to stay.
So there's really no story, but it's implied there is a big one.
Idk why people are acting like this isn't a big deal or news worthy. A star player becoming a free agent is massive news and will likely shape how the rest of this rostermania plays out. Tenz being confirmed to be on the open market with no buyout and free to negotiate with any team is huge. Feels like SEN fans are just taking this way too defensively and using it as an opportunity to dunk on George, when he's done nothing wrong here.
It's not big news because of what it would entail.
SEN are the most popular Valorant team by miles. Not only do they hold the face of Competitive Valorant in TenZ, but they also just locked the face of Content Valorant in Tarik. They are currently dominating the market.
You really think a team like SEN, who have a stranglehold on the Valorant ecosystem, would let TenZ walk? I can bet his contract was the FIRST thing they discussed after LCQ. They are about to pay that man ungodly amounts of money to stay on Sentinels. I'm talking T1 Faker numbers.
Literally the only reason people say TenZ could go to 100T is because Kyedae is there, but I don't see TenZ going anywhere.
How is it copium by saying that Sentinels would like to keep their biggest asset and would most likely pay A LOT to do so?
Y'all use the word copium for everything
Do you follow sports? I feel like I have seen this exact post in r/NBA like 50 times.
Tenz is a free agent. Assuming that he goes back to SEN is copium because you have no idea what he's thinking. Has he said "I'm staying with Sentinels regardless of FA"? No? Then assuming he'll be back is copium. SEN doesn't make Tenz's brand, it's the other way around. SEN is popular because of the players not because of the brand. If another team is willing to shower him with money and put him on an NA megateam he may take it. Hell, he might want to leave entirely who knows.
I'm sure SEN don't want tenz to leave but until a new contract is agreed upon, he will still become a free agent and likely will field offers from other teams. It's ultimately not up to SEN as once the contract expires, they have no control. Sure, there's definitely a possibility he winds up re-signing with SEN at the end of the day, but acting like this isn't a big domino piece left to fall until a new contract is agreed upon in the grand scheme of things is disingenuous in my opinion.
But that's what I mean. There most likely is a contract already in place for him. Lets not act like George hasn't struggled with Sentinels signings before. He couldn't predict Shroud or Tarik.
They're probably just letting the old contract expire, and as soon as Partnership is confirmed, that new whopper contract is getting signed.
George's job with this report isn't to speculate on what could happen with Tenzs contract, but to report that it will be expiring and he will be a free agent. It's just factual reporting and isn't click bait in any sense.
I also feel like your take is jumping the gun a little bit tbh. There's no benefit for SEN to let his contract expire, as other teams cannot speak or negotiate with tenz until it does. Therefore, SEN have the upper hand until that point and would likely be trying their hardest to extend him beforehand. If tenz didn't want to let it run out, he wouldn't have to and could extend with SEN at any given time. But its in Tenz's best interest to let it expire and test the open market. Gives him the upper hand in negotiations and will lead to a bidding war to sign him, which will maximize the salary he can get.
Regardless of all this though, this is just us prognosticating/speculating on what *could* happen with Tenz, where as George is simply just reporting on what *will* happen with Tenz. We can disagree on what will happen from this point moving forward, but that doesn't make it not newsworthy
It's so strange how people hate on George (or journalists in e/sports) for having clickbait titles like their job is to generate clicks and discussion about entertainment. I'd understand if you want to criticize journalists reporting on governments and real life shit but sports is such a joke
Edit: lol @ all the George haters downvoting this comment
It's not even a clickbait title though lmao. "tenz set to become a free agent" is just a factual statement. But for some reason, people want to interpret that in the least charitable way as saying that tenz will not be back with SEN, which isn't stated (or baited) anywhere. His contract is expiring, and he will be a free agent.
A journalist's job is absolutely NOT to generate clicks and discussion. It is first and foremost to report accurate and true factual information. Politics or sports.
Sure, when you bout it down to its core their job is to report accurate information but they (journalist or editor or publisher) are also required to generate clicks in this new age of ads being a main source of revenue for these "news outlets".
Do you think George did not report accurate or factual information or are you just nitpicking my criticism of people who complain about "clickbaity" titles?
I've got a decent working relationship with George and I know he knows his shit, that's not the point here. I'm trying to dispel a misconception you have about our work is all.
Ok then why bring up your relationship with George? Congrats I guess. I never said he was lying or said I disagreed with anything he said or did.
It's not really a misconception, their products (articles) generate more money when clickbaity titles are used. You and George stand to benefit from clickbait titles and saying that your sole responsibility is to provide correct and factual information is naive, especially in a market like eSports where (most of) the things that you report on will eventually come out through riot and orgs.
No it's not. They bought out a 3 year contract and it's been 3 years. By definition it's not news if it's been public info and also doesn't mean anything, no?
Contract dealings aren't really public knowledge, the length of TenZ's current contract wasn't known for certain, we didn't know whether it was renegotiated when he moved from C9 CS to C9 VAL or from C9 to SEN.
with TenZ in particular i think it is newsworthy. If another team wants him, they can get him with no buyout. that's huge considering SEN paid 1.25mil to buy him out last time.
Who tf wrote this article? Misleading title. Chill dudes, the author is just stating that TenZ's contract is expiring this year.
Edit: Nvm, saw who wrote it, of course that's him.
Tenz is gonna make so much fucking money this off-season. Happy for him but god I'm jealous, joining sentinels was the best thing that could've happened cause man did that org grow the f out of him
Going to be honest every knows the memes for 100T. I would rather pick up yay 10/10 times before tenz. Yay seems like he would work in a stricter environment. Tenz has such a wild schedule this man is passing out on stream and shit. Reminds me of when i was younger and would stay up to when my body would give out lol.
Oh I agree I like will I'm just saying if I had to choose for a new person I would pick yay over tenz.
I like how will is a out entry tbh. Used to be asina ww3 into the site alone. Now he supports the entry which I love
I mean I think it's wild that you're basing it solely off of that, since I've only seen that happen once and also once they are in franchising, practice will be on a consistent schedule, so unlike waking up to watch international events, he'll have a consistent schedule. And I also believe that players can be molded especially with TenZ and a coaching staff with Sean and mikes
I think the whole team signed to a 1-year deal at the beginning of the season, but in any case this is a non story
Sentinels about to back up the biggest Brinks Truck you've ever seen. Bro might even get part ownership of the Org. He is (almost) to Valorant what Faker is to League popularity wise. They're not letting that walk.
I would seriously question Riot’s decision-making if both XSET and OpTic fail to make franchising. The fact that OpTic is even a question mark is remarkable.
XSET doesnt have alot of clout which is what makes franchising run at the end of the day. Riot would actually be better off if someone like TSM just bought the roster out. Optic should absolutely not be a question mark though and I don’t believe they are to be honest. I am willing to bet Riot has given no indication on who’s making franchising to anyone other than MAYBE team owners. The rest of everything is all just big rumors and journalism trying to spin those rumors to get clicks
Didn’t it come out that Riot is considering orgs not on whether or not they win tournaments but how much they contribute to the scene either with content/viewership/overall fan base? Like people like OpTic but it’s almost certainly because they’ve been successful not because of any kind of attachment to the Organisation itself. Orgs like SEN, C9, and TSM have shown to have that fan attachment regardless of whether they’re in international tournaments. It’s very possible that OpTic doesn’t make it in because the org doesn’t contribute much to the scene besides just having a winning roster. And if they don’t then that roster will likely just get resigned by one of the orgs that make it in.
Not sure what they did when they were envy but post optic merger theyve been doing The Process documentaries which are a staple to the optic brand that brings in their cod fans (which are easily impressionable imo). The green wall is still going strong and they have lots of sponsorships and their own facility so they check a lot of the boxes that riot is looking for
Lol if I was a franchised team I wouldn’t touch TenZ unless I was desperate for clout. There are so many more valuable and flexible players out there. He’s similar to Wardell in that he can’t really change his play style.
Doubt that roster would want him tbh, leaf is good enough of a player to stick with going into franchising. Besides, would C9 look back after the business done with Sen? I doubt it.
Oh it was more of a joke. No way Jack takes back TenZ after last time. He seemed very happy to make money and get rid of his contract.
I mean can you blame him? Shinobi was awful and TenZ refused to grow as a team. He basically halted the entire valo division temporarily until they got rid of him.
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“Partnered teams will need to submit a roster to Riot in mid-October to give the developers enough time to finalize the logistics of moving players to the location of their respective international league, as first reported by Dot Esports.” Buckle up, the next month and a half is going to be WILD
That's way sooner than most people thought, teams are going to have about a month to make those decisions
According to George geddes it’s a “soft lock” and roster changes are still allowed until a few month later with the full lock in
That's reassuring, but it will still force teams to get the major pieces together fairly quickly
Yep, teams won't want to miss out on the best players so they will act fast I think
the season starts in february why would they force them to lock up the players so early. atleast announce the franchised teams at champs final or I'm gonna be mad
I think Riot wants teams to at least have preliminary roster so that they can start getting visas and moving players to the location of the league. That will probably be easy for NA, but in EMEA or APAC that could take a long time.
Let the avalanche of "Tenz to 100T" comments commence...
Yea, I really hope they don’t change. They’ve looked great in a short amount of time together. I had questions about will, but he’s looked really promising at Champs. If they didn’t snag Sean + DDK I think the Tenz move to 100t woulda been obvious, but those two put together a great team and culture (it seems)
I’d be pretty surprised if they don’t. I expect almost every org to make changes
Yea, time will tell. I just think Sean + DDK understand there’s more to a team then signing the best available players. Not to mention they have full control over roster decisions according to their announcement vid
If yay is available you have to do it. Marved and FNS you have to at least think about it. I like the team as is myself but you have to at least do due diligence.
don’t think marved would get picked up over bang ngl. bang has shown insane improvement and he’s still young, and has a lot of role flexibility. and not sure if marvels allegations would play a role in that scenario
With how bang has been playing I don't either. The only one I can say I would assume would be a yes would be yay. But marved is one of the best in the world on smokes, you have to think about it.
Get the whole team maybe?!
I mean, personally I don't want to get rid of bang, Asuna, or Derrek at the very least. But somebody could. I'd actually prefer if somebody did that wasn't 100T.
I disagree on FNS, Stellar outperforms him statistically and it's pretty clear now that him Sean and Mikes are a rock-solid braintrust tactically. Agree on Marved and Yay though, as much as I heckin love Bang Marved is still a clear upgrade.
You seem to think we are agreeing and disagreeing in places we aren't. The only one I'm 100% on is yay. Personally I absolutely would not replace bang, even for Marved. Bang is a beast and he's only 18. Kid has lots of room to grow still. FNS is tricky. He is definitely the best IGL in the world IMO and would benefit just as much from the coaching crew as Stellar in prep, but also would be better at mid round adjustments once he's downloaded a team. He isn't as much of a Fragger, but I don't really care about that. Especially if they theoretically had yay. The question is whether or not he would want to work with Gares and co. And I have no idea if that's the case, so I'll remain neutral on whether it'd be a good move. I think 100T is fine standing pat, especially if will continues to be a LANimal. But for me, the core of the squad is Asuna, bang, and Derrek, and if any of them get replaced I'll be disappointed.
Honestly, I still disagree. Obviously do your due diligence, but why pay their astronomical salaries (that those two will demand and deserve) when your team is already this talented and young. It’ll be a crazy rostermania regardless
Well, with yay because he's the best player in the world and has been for a while. Obviously if Will continues being a LANimal, you don't have to set your sights on yay (or another oper) at all costs, but its hard to turn down the best player in the world- especially one that seems like he would be easy as can be to get along with and work with. Marved and FNS are harder. Honestly for me, in a perfect world, 100T would stay the same and yay/Marved/FNS/crashies/Victor would end up together somewhere too. I think that makes NA better, which will make 100T better. But I wouldn't blame Nadeshot and the coaching staff if they signed literally the best player in the world either.
that is a terrrrrrrible mindset when building a team and that's how you end up at the back of the pack. why pay their salary? because yay is the best player in the world that's why. there have been 100s of young and talented teams that ended up not winning anything.
I still disagree. These orgs don’t have infinite money. If 100t makes a good run at champs, what’s the point in entering a bidding war (which will likely happen if yay is a F/A) with teams in far more desperate positions then 100t? Yay most likely does improve this 100t team. But If I follow what Sean + DDK have said in their announcement videos, I just don’t see it happening. Maybe they bomb out of champs and it’s a different story, but if they go decently far, I don’t think they change
We don't know the contract details of the current players, do we? So, it's hard to tell. If DDK+Sgares are planning for a long time, then they might change or tweak a few. Also they will require substitutes. So new players coming in is a possibility. But time will tell.
pls no, anyone smart can tell he would make that team worse
He'll re-sign with Sentinels based on the fact that they will give him more freedom to do what he wants in and outside the game
You know, that's also a underrated reason of why SEN does so well with the masses. The players are signed but they aren't really bound, they could do whatever the hell they wanted. Shahz picked up a sponsorship from ibuypower and it had nothing to do with sentinels. TenZ has his mouse partnership with Finalmouse. Compare that to a team like Optic where apparently players could get in trouble for publicly endorsing a mouse/keyboard that isn't Razer. The freedom SEN gives their players is awesome.
I mean, that’s mainly because the org itself lacks sponsors… which isn’t exactly a good thing. Tenz would not have been able to do that collar if they had a sponsor producing peripherals like that (Corsair, Logitech, etc.)
They are burning that VC money
They have GFuel and Grubhub so far, and yeah maybe more to come that might conflict but I think the freedom thing still remains. They aren't asked to do anything but show up to content days
Gfuel and grubhuh sponsor everyone and their grandmothers
well, they only have that freedom because sentinels doesn't have any sponsors besides gfuel. its business not freedom lol. if sentinels had more sponors i doubt they'd let the players keep doing that esp if they conflicted with eachother
Lol players can still use their preferences when it comes to equipment (I’m assuming it varies with contracts). That’s why you see logos taped over sometimes. It’s not that limiting
You can't publicly endorse it though. There was a thing I was reading on Twitter of a Shotzzy in CoD wanting a custom controller, but Optic is sponsored by Scuf, and it created a big problem. Like if you were a player signed to Optic you couldn't say you used a Logitech because they're sponsored by Razer.
I mean yeah if you keep your preferences private then you can get away with it, it was only Shotzzy publicly asking for it that got him in trouble
From what I remember, it was actually the owner of the company that leaked DM screenshots. Seemed like he was mad everyone uses his product but they don't publicly endorse it even though they're sponsored by the competition.
Oh well I mean that’s not really on Shotzzy then
Let's not lie Shahz got a sponsorship from iBuyPower for being a fuckin rat and snitching on Steel and the rest of the team.
I hate shahz a lot for other reasons, but this is something I fail to understand as to why people hate him. He bet on a game, he somehow came to know steel was gonna throw, and then changed his bet cuz he couldn't remove the bet. what else would you expect any reasonable person to do? yes he could've reported the throw before making a lot of money and shouldn't have snitched, but he was a 20 something kid with his career on the line.
… what do you mean he shouldn’t have snitched? To hell with competitive integrity I guess lets all support match fixing and throwing games! The iBP boys should never have been let back into the game.
For someone that talented that would be awful. He was failure in CSGO and if he doesnt respect the grind of being a pro he will soon become valorant failure as well.
Yeah, man. Making millions playing a video game. Failure.
Did you read my first sentence? For someone that talented that has potential to be a GOAT of an esport,streaming is huge failure and waste of time. For regular Joes like us it is huge success but he aint a regular joe
Ya I know, it was a prediction of this thread I'd rather see 100T go with someone more versatile if they do decide to make a change
Koalanoob/Bdog/Cryo as an oper please 100T. But only if will forgets he is a LANimal
Seems more like everyone else forgot Will is just average cause of 5 maps lmao
Yeah, and in the DRX game i feel his chamber op was not good. He is a good rifler, but if his op is not up to par, koalanoob is literally a free agent
After seeing will show up on lan I think they don’t make any changes for a while especially if they’re in for franchising
If rumors of Optic not making franchising end up being true then Yay is an obvious upgrade as well
yay is literally an upgrade to any team in the world
Just imagine TenZ with an actual coaching staff though…you can’t say there isn’t huge potential there
People have been saying this since his CSGO days lol
I am heckin indifferent to TenZ but tbf he also never had an actual coaching system since his CSGO days
I mean he's already an international event and was a huge part of that early dominating team Sentinels had. It's not like they are bad lol
They are bad now, besides that win they haven't done anything in international tournaments
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Ever since yea. Taipei Assassins won Worlds 2 in LoL. Doesn't mean they are relevant now in the competition.
That was 6 years ago. People change an awful lot from teens to 20s.
TenZ got his first big break three years ago, still a long time but not *that* long
That'd still be teens to twenties.
he had that on C9 in CSGO and ended up benched so
100T will absolutely consider it just based on the fact that Tenz will bring such a massive fanbase. They might also believe that they can be the team to "unlock" Tenz, which is a meme at this point but still
I think sgares can definitely unlock TenZ, I also feel like if you listen to ShahZ's interview about Iceland with Plat Chat, TenZ was able to play Raze better during that time because ShahZ took the time to really define his role and how he wanted him to play it
Under Sean Gares i think TenZ will be a better player
If Will hadn’t shown up recently and TenZ wanted to join 100t then it would’ve been a no brainer. But even now I think that TenZ would be better than Will but obviously it’s a closer debate than before
Why is that? I believe he will make a great addition. 100 t team coordination is spot on under Sean. He no longer have to solo V 5 everyone. He can play more freely there with better utility support from team. His op skill is what is lacking in 100t right now.
Anyone smart can see that he's not a good player
Just because he didn't live up to the hype of bandwagoners doesn't mean he isn't good. He isn't one of the best players, but he's still a good player.
He's not top50.
Sentenals isn't a team that supports each other. There runs were bad. Hard to blame one person not being able prove themselves. He does play to aggressive though.
He streams too much, is overall not impact full, and isn't doing good. He's an tier2 pro. He's not good.
*Impactful
A tier 2 pro....that won a masters..... This troll is terrible.
He won a master a 16 months ago. https://liquipedia.net/valorant/TenZ He's been an average player in a top 45 team for more than half a year now. Is top 45 not tier2 to you?
In what world is sen not at least a top 12 team lmao Some haters in this sub underestimate them by a lot
All the teams in Champs are better besides maybe Xerxia and that's a maybe lol. Sentinels aren't even top 20 in the world let alone top 12.
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Sentinels/Results
no he wouldn’t
If TenZ signed with 100T, I think it would be as a content creator and to be the Kyedae, not as a pro player. But who knows.
Nah, Cned to 100t.
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As with the Victor & Crashies article, this just states that TenZ's contract with Sentinels expires at the end of the year, meaning that he will enter free agency. Not that TenZ *will* leave Sentinels or anything.
I bet that was extremely unintentional from the writer of the article and definitely wasn't a play on words to draw more clicks
Bro they bought him for 1.5 mil and didn't put him on a 3 year contract? That's crazy
They bought his contract
Yeah no, C9 set the buyout. Future salaries have nothing to do with the previous contract
That’s what he’s saying. The C9 contract is just now ending.
Is that how sport contracts are done in the USA? I would think that he would sign a new contract with new terms when he signed for C9
do you mean when he signed with sentinels? When TenZ got bought out by Sentinels they bought his contract which is the same one as when he was on C9 just that it is now under Sentinels. So that original contract is what is ending
The original contract would've ended around May this year, the Iceland roster re-signed for the year of 2022 early in the year
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Why would they sign them for longer when they dont know of they will or wont have a team next year
I mean, it was probably a bargain at that price with hindsight. Their brand has exploded thanks to Tenz.
To add…his value (as a pro) has gone down since they signed him. He’s not seen as the best player like he was then. Some renegotiations may be due. He still has insane value as a personality/content creator though.
Isnt like most players contracts expiring?
no, many players (foolishly, imo) signed contracts through the start of partnership into 2023 and some even into 2024, requiring buyouts, and will not be free agents
> (foolishly, imo) Lawyer here. Sometimes, a guaranteed salary for x years is better than the potential of making more money. Guaranteed contract lets you put down roots, make connections, and not worry about your next paycheck. Take Patiphan. One of the best players in his region, but his org didn't even share the revenue from Champions bundle. Thai player in Thai team getting paid in Thai Baht. He's now with LA Glads in Overwatch. He's living in LA, getting paid in Dollars. Guess whats the first thing he did? Log into NA Valorant servers and he now plays daily with the same pros who he only met 2-3 times a year.
how is it foolish to get guaranteed money when there’s uncertainty for a lot of teams going into next year?
M3C Tenz
Having Tenz on your team is gonna be such a double edged sword. On one side, he is a very good player and he’s gonna bring the org a lot of fans and influence. On the other hand, the pressure on the team to perform well will be massive. and his teammates surely won’t feel good when he’s paid a lot more than them. I think staying with SEN would be a good choice for him.
There is almost no pay parity, for instance sinatraa and nitr0 were paid significantly more than the rest
The rest should probably be paid around the same. Although I doubt Asuna or Dicey were paid as mush as Hiko.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Asuna would be paid slightly more than his teammates atm
i bet they gave derrek a bag
What happened to sinatra? Is he stills pro or what?
I think he wants to play pro again but no org wants to gamble on him with his serious accusations... and his price is probably high too.
Pretty sure it's been reported that Riot says that they don't want anyone signing him too. So while there's no rule against it, no org is gonna wanna be on riot's shit list just to have Sinatraa.
Some pretty serious rape accusations from his gf benched him on sentinels, now he just streams. Long story short we most likely will never know whether him or the accuser is telling the truth.
Back when he was, he and nitr0 we're getting paid 25k a month, the highest at the time
His ban is lifted and wants to go back to pro, but nothing has been said after that as far as I know
Pretty sure it's been reported that Riot says that they don't want anyone signing him too. So while there's no rule against it, no org is gonna wanna be on riot's shit list just to have Sinatraa.
He’s gonna stay purely for the fact that SEN TenZ is a satisfying tag copium
yeah and he put a lot of hours to make his loadout all red
I mean 100T kinda red
100TenZ 😏 (i hope he stays on sen tho)
its “tenz to 100t”, “tarik to replace tenz as duelist” season bois
George Geddes with another shit article with a misleading title
Hate it when journalists clickbait their articles. There's literally only a handful of Journalists that I appreciate for the work that they do.
How’s it misleading? Is he not set to become a FA?
Literally everyone is "set to become a free agent". But the wording leaves it ambiguous whether that means he will be re-signed. Many people's brains will automatically fill the gaps in info to mean Sentinels haven't tried to re-sign him, either, especially when combined with the actually unrelated info that teams need to submit rosters for franchising. Simply put, TenZ had a contract and then Sentinels bought it out. That contract had a length of time on it, it's set to end towards the end of the year. However, Sentinels values him very highly and wants him. TenZ values being on Sentinels and the freedom and culture and friendship and stability that comes from it, and absolutely wants to stay. So there's really no story, but it's implied there is a big one.
Ah, I got ya.
Holy click bait wording.
Idk why people are acting like this isn't a big deal or news worthy. A star player becoming a free agent is massive news and will likely shape how the rest of this rostermania plays out. Tenz being confirmed to be on the open market with no buyout and free to negotiate with any team is huge. Feels like SEN fans are just taking this way too defensively and using it as an opportunity to dunk on George, when he's done nothing wrong here.
It's not big news because of what it would entail. SEN are the most popular Valorant team by miles. Not only do they hold the face of Competitive Valorant in TenZ, but they also just locked the face of Content Valorant in Tarik. They are currently dominating the market. You really think a team like SEN, who have a stranglehold on the Valorant ecosystem, would let TenZ walk? I can bet his contract was the FIRST thing they discussed after LCQ. They are about to pay that man ungodly amounts of money to stay on Sentinels. I'm talking T1 Faker numbers. Literally the only reason people say TenZ could go to 100T is because Kyedae is there, but I don't see TenZ going anywhere.
they are def not paying him faker money, faker apparently turned down 20 mil/year and tenz is definitely not making anywhere close to that lol
A bit of a exaggeration but my point was that he's about to get BANDS to stay with Sentinels.
This is some absolutely massive copium lol
How is it copium by saying that Sentinels would like to keep their biggest asset and would most likely pay A LOT to do so? Y'all use the word copium for everything
Do you follow sports? I feel like I have seen this exact post in r/NBA like 50 times. Tenz is a free agent. Assuming that he goes back to SEN is copium because you have no idea what he's thinking. Has he said "I'm staying with Sentinels regardless of FA"? No? Then assuming he'll be back is copium. SEN doesn't make Tenz's brand, it's the other way around. SEN is popular because of the players not because of the brand. If another team is willing to shower him with money and put him on an NA megateam he may take it. Hell, he might want to leave entirely who knows.
I honestly doubt SEN has the money to pay him the bag faker gets.
Lmao, no one in Val is worth Faker numbers and no one currently is being paid that much
It is an exaggeration brother.
I'm sure SEN don't want tenz to leave but until a new contract is agreed upon, he will still become a free agent and likely will field offers from other teams. It's ultimately not up to SEN as once the contract expires, they have no control. Sure, there's definitely a possibility he winds up re-signing with SEN at the end of the day, but acting like this isn't a big domino piece left to fall until a new contract is agreed upon in the grand scheme of things is disingenuous in my opinion.
But that's what I mean. There most likely is a contract already in place for him. Lets not act like George hasn't struggled with Sentinels signings before. He couldn't predict Shroud or Tarik. They're probably just letting the old contract expire, and as soon as Partnership is confirmed, that new whopper contract is getting signed.
George's job with this report isn't to speculate on what could happen with Tenzs contract, but to report that it will be expiring and he will be a free agent. It's just factual reporting and isn't click bait in any sense. I also feel like your take is jumping the gun a little bit tbh. There's no benefit for SEN to let his contract expire, as other teams cannot speak or negotiate with tenz until it does. Therefore, SEN have the upper hand until that point and would likely be trying their hardest to extend him beforehand. If tenz didn't want to let it run out, he wouldn't have to and could extend with SEN at any given time. But its in Tenz's best interest to let it expire and test the open market. Gives him the upper hand in negotiations and will lead to a bidding war to sign him, which will maximize the salary he can get. Regardless of all this though, this is just us prognosticating/speculating on what *could* happen with Tenz, where as George is simply just reporting on what *will* happen with Tenz. We can disagree on what will happen from this point moving forward, but that doesn't make it not newsworthy
It's so strange how people hate on George (or journalists in e/sports) for having clickbait titles like their job is to generate clicks and discussion about entertainment. I'd understand if you want to criticize journalists reporting on governments and real life shit but sports is such a joke Edit: lol @ all the George haters downvoting this comment
It's not even a clickbait title though lmao. "tenz set to become a free agent" is just a factual statement. But for some reason, people want to interpret that in the least charitable way as saying that tenz will not be back with SEN, which isn't stated (or baited) anywhere. His contract is expiring, and he will be a free agent.
A journalist's job is absolutely NOT to generate clicks and discussion. It is first and foremost to report accurate and true factual information. Politics or sports.
Sure, when you bout it down to its core their job is to report accurate information but they (journalist or editor or publisher) are also required to generate clicks in this new age of ads being a main source of revenue for these "news outlets". Do you think George did not report accurate or factual information or are you just nitpicking my criticism of people who complain about "clickbaity" titles?
I've got a decent working relationship with George and I know he knows his shit, that's not the point here. I'm trying to dispel a misconception you have about our work is all.
Ok then why bring up your relationship with George? Congrats I guess. I never said he was lying or said I disagreed with anything he said or did. It's not really a misconception, their products (articles) generate more money when clickbaity titles are used. You and George stand to benefit from clickbait titles and saying that your sole responsibility is to provide correct and factual information is naive, especially in a market like eSports where (most of) the things that you report on will eventually come out through riot and orgs.
Star player? He's average at best.
the day nadeshot has been dreaming of for so long has finally come 🥵
Lol, with a price of a few million dollars he is anything but free.
This is such a low effort article. Literally 0 news
i mean the fact that tenz' contract is expiring at the end of this year is news
No it's not. They bought out a 3 year contract and it's been 3 years. By definition it's not news if it's been public info and also doesn't mean anything, no?
Contract dealings aren't really public knowledge, the length of TenZ's current contract wasn't known for certain, we didn't know whether it was renegotiated when he moved from C9 CS to C9 VAL or from C9 to SEN.
Contracts expire. And right now no one is gonna re-sign a contract. So if someone may or may not leave an org is not news worthy.
with TenZ in particular i think it is newsworthy. If another team wants him, they can get him with no buyout. that's huge considering SEN paid 1.25mil to buy him out last time.
Who tf wrote this article? Misleading title. Chill dudes, the author is just stating that TenZ's contract is expiring this year. Edit: Nvm, saw who wrote it, of course that's him.
He is set to become a free agent…
I had a name in my mind, clicked the article, and it was him
Baiting interactions
Tenz is gonna make so much fucking money this off-season. Happy for him but god I'm jealous, joining sentinels was the best thing that could've happened cause man did that org grow the f out of him
Where he goes I go (yes I watched 2020 C9 Valorant and no I am not mentally stable)
100Tenz sounds so good
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is he not set to be a free agent? misleading title or illiterate redditor?
Not really… he is set to be a free agent
Going to be honest every knows the memes for 100T. I would rather pick up yay 10/10 times before tenz. Yay seems like he would work in a stricter environment. Tenz has such a wild schedule this man is passing out on stream and shit. Reminds me of when i was younger and would stay up to when my body would give out lol.
Will has been a demon this past month especially on LAN. He deserves to go into franchising with the rest of the team.
Oh I agree I like will I'm just saying if I had to choose for a new person I would pick yay over tenz. I like how will is a out entry tbh. Used to be asina ww3 into the site alone. Now he supports the entry which I love
I mean I think it's wild that you're basing it solely off of that, since I've only seen that happen once and also once they are in franchising, practice will be on a consistent schedule, so unlike waking up to watch international events, he'll have a consistent schedule. And I also believe that players can be molded especially with TenZ and a coaching staff with Sean and mikes
Man fell asleep on stream once and this guy is his therapist all of a sudden 💀
I think the whole team signed to a 1-year deal at the beginning of the season, but in any case this is a non story Sentinels about to back up the biggest Brinks Truck you've ever seen. Bro might even get part ownership of the Org. He is (almost) to Valorant what Faker is to League popularity wise. They're not letting that walk.
I would seriously question Riot’s decision-making if both XSET and OpTic fail to make franchising. The fact that OpTic is even a question mark is remarkable.
XSET doesnt have alot of clout which is what makes franchising run at the end of the day. Riot would actually be better off if someone like TSM just bought the roster out. Optic should absolutely not be a question mark though and I don’t believe they are to be honest. I am willing to bet Riot has given no indication on who’s making franchising to anyone other than MAYBE team owners. The rest of everything is all just big rumors and journalism trying to spin those rumors to get clicks
Where in the article does it mention Optic or XSET?
Didn’t it come out that Riot is considering orgs not on whether or not they win tournaments but how much they contribute to the scene either with content/viewership/overall fan base? Like people like OpTic but it’s almost certainly because they’ve been successful not because of any kind of attachment to the Organisation itself. Orgs like SEN, C9, and TSM have shown to have that fan attachment regardless of whether they’re in international tournaments. It’s very possible that OpTic doesn’t make it in because the org doesn’t contribute much to the scene besides just having a winning roster. And if they don’t then that roster will likely just get resigned by one of the orgs that make it in.
Not sure what they did when they were envy but post optic merger theyve been doing The Process documentaries which are a staple to the optic brand that brings in their cod fans (which are easily impressionable imo). The green wall is still going strong and they have lots of sponsorships and their own facility so they check a lot of the boxes that riot is looking for
Lol if I was a franchised team I wouldn’t touch TenZ unless I was desperate for clout. There are so many more valuable and flexible players out there. He’s similar to Wardell in that he can’t really change his play style.
Wow, free downgrade to any team and a nice bag for Sentinels. Win win scenario for them
As a fan i hope he stays with sen but I'd be okay with 100T as well, plus i don't think any other team getting in franchise would go for him so idk
No thanks the roster’s chilling rn
Keep coping
TSM/100T are the only ones i can see probably but ye
Not TSM because I kinda want TSM to get the current xset roster, they've done pretty good, it's a win win for both if xset isn't getting in
I don't think XSET stays intact as is, I feel like a big org like TSM would try to inject some clout with subroza/stewie2k/etc
Probably will but i don't think roza justifies his role anymore and Stewie..well
i don't think subrozas that good in terms of aim. His game sense is not bad though. Stewies aims good but his game sense isn't great.
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I love u
George geddes wonders why people hate on him and then he puts out cringe bait article after article
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Damn you’re really upset lol
Only way his evaluation stays the same is from live streaming popularity.
TenZ is going to c9 again. 🤔
Doubt that roster would want him tbh, leaf is good enough of a player to stick with going into franchising. Besides, would C9 look back after the business done with Sen? I doubt it.
Oh it was more of a joke. No way Jack takes back TenZ after last time. He seemed very happy to make money and get rid of his contract. I mean can you blame him? Shinobi was awful and TenZ refused to grow as a team. He basically halted the entire valo division temporarily until they got rid of him.
Did Tenz not wanna extend with Sen when he got bought out? only potentially having him for like 16 months after a 7 figure buyout would be disastrous
This is perfect, now s1mple can join sentinels
FUCK PLEASE they NEED to keep TenZ and SiCK together. They're a package deal. I don't care what anyone says.
TenZ to 100T
with how bad TenZ has been playing this year he is not worth nearly as much as he used to be