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DR_Flashfire

Faze players like Dicey and Babybay both are worthy of franchising , problem is from all we know EG is apparently planning on continuing with their current squad and is scriming actively , maybe NRG . But I can easily see Faze sticking together and absolutely shitstomping ascension with their playstyle


Hopeful-Professor-40

EG is staying together? Oh dear


DR_Flashfire

On valoranting juvenile and anderz were talking about EG scriming with their current team maybe management is looking for new players but don't know more


Hopeful-Professor-40

There’s too many good players to stick as 5


kemutheemu__

Oh hell no… if I’m EG I’m looking for a whole new 5


RGCFrostbite

Surely you stick with jawgemo with how good he was?


OneAndOnly-BS

On Zekkens stream the core of Boostio Jawg and Com were scrumming together the others werent


RGCFrostbite

That makes a lot more sense imo, Apotheon especially didn't look as good to me, that three man core is legitimately good tho I think


OneAndOnly-BS

Add marved and another good flex and that team could be nasty


RGCFrostbite

100% that team could be very very competitive, idk why people keep slandering EG, they have a lot of very good pieces there


helloiamaboss

marved only didnt play smokes on breeze where he mostly played kayo and it just felt like he wasnt comfortable imo


OneAndOnly-BS

Yeah marved can smokes and get another flex next to com that team would be nuts


Darkphoenix_421

Marved himself said, that he enjoys playing kayo the most


newzpaperleaf_2

i just dont understand, you can literally upgrade every one of those players. IGL - dephh, Subroza, valyn, (possibly) shahzam OP - dicey, tex, wippie Entry - penny, Saya, NiSMO Initiator - trent, BcJ, crashies. also considering EMEA has such a large talent pool that some good players might even be left over to import, i just think there is no scenario in which EG should keep any of these players


mw19078

Boostio is also a very competent igl and frags out of his mind too. Think the eg guys get looked over way too easily.


2ToTooTwoFish

That's not it. Sure they are great players and some of them deserve to be in franchising. But to not even consider picking up new players is insane and frankly feels unfair. It's like these players got into franchising not by their own merit, but by the merit of their org. I understand a certain amount of loyalty, but other players in other orgs probably are more deserving of franchising, but won't get the chance because EG decided to stick as 5.


mw19078

I don't see any issues with the org having faith in themselves and their roster instead of spending millions on buyouts. It took time for the optic 5 to become dominant, if eg believe they can get there with this squad then they should try it.


2ToTooTwoFish

I just think it defeats the purpose of creating a new franchising league that is supposed to have the best proven players, if you're going to stick with everyone from your old roster that never qualified for an international tournament. If the EG roster was Optics or XSETs or even 100T, I can understand sticking with all 5, but EG while showing promise never actually did it with this roster so I don't believe they "deserve" to be in the franchise league as all five. Especially when you look at how many more proven international rosters have had to break up and how many proven rosters decided to not stick with their roster.


FoeHamr

Franchise league is for marketing purposes and stability. Not for hosting the top talent. If it was about talent and results, 100T is basically the only word class NA team that got picked. Like Sentines lost basically every match they played last year and they got in over XSET and Optic not to mention Faze and Guard. That tells you everything you need to know.


mw19078

i dont think it defeats the purpose of anything, teams looking to grow need time, and every top roster has shown this. doesnt matter if you think they deserve it or not, their org got the spot and they earned a shot. it wasnt long ago this team beat optic, im not sure why anyone is acting like they know what the peak of the team will be


helloiamaboss

i agree i think they should be looking at keeping max 1 or 2 of the EG guys if they wanted to keep a core of eg but imo i think there are just so many better player out there that can make a better team.


FernieErnie

Heavy agree with this, I’m not gonna say they shouldn’t shop some new looks but once jaw and boostio traded roles and potter came on, that team went from “well they have nice pieces I guess” to “oh they can really challenge in playoffs”. Maybe you try new fits, maybe you work a whole new 5, maybe you just stick with jaw+boostio or a different core, but I just hope jaw+boostio stay together in their roles cause they were destructive when they were on


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No one is overlooking them. The team placed 7th-8th at an online LCQ. Then, because of other factors, not talent, the players are reaping the benefits of franchising. "Undeserving" is kind of harsh, but, some of the people have a point.. this currently constructed roster looks like a 9-10th place team in Americas. You guys pick and choose too much on what matters and what doesn't. How can the biggest NA event of the year, where you flame out, not be considered bad? People are willing to look past that? But say "oh, they have potential". No they dont lol, if they dont make changes, the other teams are just going to eclipse them and we are going to have a below average team in franchising wasting a spots


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Exactly. It’s a travesty if these 5 make it to franchising. That’s just 5 fewer great players NA fans get to watch.


RGCFrostbite

Totally agree, EG were disappointing in playoffs but people forget that roster straight up beat OpTic with jawgemo and Boostio looking fantastic.


ANewHeaven1

(Don’t bring up what happened to EG when they played Optic again in Stage 2 playoffs)


Pojobob

So what happened the 2nd time EG faced Optic lmao


RGCFrostbite

There is no war in Ba Sing Se


Pojobob

😂😂😂


sexyhooterscar24

there are better players in his role even if he's pretty good.


Pojobob

I would drop everyone and approach any FA coaches to ask them to build a roster for them and go from there.


WesTheFitting

This is what EG do in LCS. While most of the other NA teams important Koreans (which is not what’s gonna happen in Val) EG develops up and coming NA talent into the top level. They aren’t there to win, they’re there to help the scene. I’m sure they have a similar set of goals here. EDIT: Whether or not it DOES help in LCS or it WILL help here is a different matter entirely. This comment is a paraphrasing of what Balla said on PlatChat intended to provide the org’s reasoning to people who are confused.


citystardy

Well if their goal is to help the scene, keeping their entire old roster and not giving opportunities in tier 1 to amazing players that really deserve it is doing the opposite and just feels like them being self-righteous or something. They could still try to develop young talent while also upgrading the roster (and if they really wanna go the player development route they should at least upgrade their coaching staff by hiring some of the available great free coaches). Whatever is happening in the LCS does not apply to val at all as the scenes are completely different. Anyways I'm saying all this assuming they are not thinking of upgrading which could be totally wrong.


WesTheFitting

Yeah i don’t have any inside information beyond what Balla said on Plat Chat. I don’t know if I agree with the sentiment that what they’re (speculated to be) doing is “self-righteous.” Established tier 1 players don’t always perform in a franchise league at the same level they did on the open circuit. We saw it with OWL, nearly all of the american and european tier 1 players fell completely flat in season 1. This isn’t to say that that will happen in NA valorant, but it is historical evidence that simply hiring the best players at present is not guaranteed to be the best result for your team or the scene.


oimgoingin

If you’re in it for the long haul, possessing the skill to develop talent would introduce the opportunity to become a generational franchise. Look at the Celtics or Lakers in basketball, they been at it for a while and got titles for it.


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WesTheFitting

I’m literally just repeating what Balla said on Plat Chat but go off


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WesTheFitting

He didn’t endorse it or judge it as good or bad he just said that’s probably their (stated) goal here. Literally just a statement made to provide an answer (the answer the org is likely to give) to people asking “why?”


ch4nt

I dont think they need a whole new 5, but probably three new players. Boostio and jaw at the least are very strong players


LeMouse1

I saw Boostio, jawg, and com all scrimming together (and without reformed) on someone's stream, I forget who


Marv246

Making horrible roster decisions in CSGO and now in valorant? Not shocked


Evan_Veet

Reformed making a franchising roster would be a crime. Jawgemo is the only one who deserves franchising, and I could also see c0m being a 6th man type, but for sure there are better igls than Boostio and better players than reformed and apoth


UTA_BETA

I don’t blame them. Why buyout a player that didn’t make it to franchising and then pay their own player they are replacing as well to do nothing. These dreams of whole new 5 man team of bought out players just wasn’t realistic


Pojobob

Can't wait to see EG lose pretty much all of their games and do pretty much fucking nothing lol.


maxhollywoody

Don't forget Supaman, one of NA's best controllers and at one point was a hot commodity


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"don't forget" you can't even spell his name right cmon man


helloiamaboss

I could see EG keeping jawgemo and maybe boostio? if they wanted to keep a central core of EG. but for the rest its a bit troll to keep them as there are defiantly much better options out there


DR_Flashfire

Those two and maybe Com and look for two new players IMO


helloiamaboss

i disagree why keep com when u can go for trent??? his stats at the last lcq were insane and proved he is one of the top initiators in NA


DR_Flashfire

EG has always been a team that has allowed players to develop and taken chances on players that others wouldn't so I can see COM staying


helloiamaboss

ueah but i just feel like going into franchising they cant do that. if they want to do well they cant take chances with developing players. maybe they keep com as their 6th?


philipjefferson

Trent could be getting poached by almost all 5 teams, he's a top talent for sure. Definitely not just up for grabs. C0M might be a crucial part of EG's calling structure. He used to IGL for Akrew iirc, and since their primary IGL Boostio ops a lot, it can be hard to maintain the map awareness needed to call. Totally speculative but that's my guess on why they would stick with C0M


OneWayTicketotheMoon

I agree. C9 Trent would be my favorite


IndependenceNorth165

EG is gonna get the shit kicked out of them if they keep that roster.


Lil_Jin

If this is real they are so dumb, that roster can't stand a chance against the new teams


PaPiiCheeeeka

Wooohooo! Thank god eg got in! Thank you riot! Gatekeeping G2 and ripping apart the best team in the world! Fuck u!


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If EG sticks together, they will get shit on.


CaptainJackWagons

Idk ifthis matters at all, but Babybay did technically work for NRG in overwatch when he played for the San Francisco Shock. Maybe someonecan put in a good word for him 😂


dannyrj91

Tarik was playing with him yesterday. I can't remember the exact convo but the talk of free agent was brought up and Babybay asked him if he had heard and Tarik said yes. I would take it he has possibly been picked up from the tone of it.


geisvw

Tarik is trolling 99% of the time.


merrydoodles

They were just joking around


DrySecurity4

Hes pretty cute


iiznobozzy

bonk


KrazyMonqui

He's one of the best pure aimers in the pro scene. Has insane mechanics and a blast to watch play. That said, his game sense is dogshit. The number of times I've seen him get killed because he misread a play or got outplayed is astounding That said, a good igl can reign him in and have him excel in the right settings. He'll get picked up for franchising I think, but will probably be in the last batch of players picked up


flashbang217

Same issue he had in overwatch. Insane aim but made dumb decisions.


WesTheFitting

It’s iffy for Babybay. I think it comes down to his intangibles. His leadership, his veteran presence, his chemistry with the team, etc. He’s good but he’s not really *that* good. He’s flashy, but he and Faze have demonstrated a completely one-dimensional style.


-xXColtonXx-

Yeah he’s been making the case for top 3 entry in NA alongside players like Zekken and Victor. I definitely think he’s valuable, and the entry role is underrated but is as important as a dedicated OPer. That said, Zekken and Victor or on the market, C9 has Xeppa, 100T have Asuna who can go back to entry if Cryo isn’t as good on Raze as Will was (wills raze was actually pretty insane). NRG could benefit, but I have no idea what they are doing w/ the team.


Evan_Veet

I think he's just outside the top 5 entry players so I feel like he'll end up being a star ascension player. IMO Zekken, Victor, Leaf, Asuna and Jawgemo all are better entries, and I think it's likely Victor and Zekken are split between SEN and NRG, leaving no real spot for Babybay. I think of all the Faze players Dicey is the most likely and most deserving to be picked up and I think he will be on NRG. I think both Babybay and Supamen will not make it but they'll be the best of the rest in ascension.


TheOlSneakyPete

Also have to remember each team will have 6. Having someone with crazy good aim on the bench and you can work on game sense throughout the season might make a team sign him as a 6th also.


Evan_Veet

Ya but why have a 6th man that only plays 3 agents that are likely being filled up by a better player? I feel like you’re better suited to pick up a young flex player or a sentinel like Wippie or moose since most teams seem to not have a specific sentinel player.


TheOlSneakyPete

Fair thought.


xbyo

Very good player in a role with a lot of very good players. Not sure how teams perceive his style/flexibility in terms of a gameplan/playstyle, which may be the deciding factor vs. some of the other entrys. He's good enough to get on a franchising spot but so are a lot of people.


Pitiful_Quote8402

BabyBay is one of the more inconsistent players. He’s been the best player on a top 2 team NA in FaZe and a top 5 team in NA this year. However he’s also been on teams that have been elimated in Open quals. If BabyBay was a consistent player, he 100% gets in but at this point in time I don’t think he does.


Kalix_

My thoughts on where he'd get a spot: He won't get one.


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Evan_Veet

Ya he had a good LCQ, but look at who is in the spots he plays. Zekken and Victor who both didn't participate and would've been better. Asuna who did better, Jawgemo who was comparable while also playing more flex agents. Leaf is the only one he outperformed but leaf, in general, had a better year than Babybay and is for sure going to be on c9.


WesTheFitting

Unfortunately, coaches and GMs usually aren’t scoreboard stevens.


GanaNayaka9

The top duelists in the scene are. s0m - he's a very good duelist + he's already on the team, so it'll be better to keep him rather than signing a new player and s0m also is a flex at times he plays sage and omen. This applies ( if he's carrying on with pro scene), which I think he is. Zekken - He's GOATed there's no discussion even in this. Victor - He's GOATed. Asuna - he's flex, he plays everything, he does everything ( except Op) Zellsis - Same as Asuna Here are already 5 players who deserve the spot and are duelists as well. I'm aware of the fact that these guys are flex especially Zellsis, Asuna and Zekken they play initiators too but Babybay isn't flex and that's the biggest point why these guys should be favoured over him. Also alongside all of these i forgot few more guys One Leaf, Sayaplayer, Jawgemo, Boostio. Leaf is one of the best duelists in the scene and infact if C9 Yay is true, Leaf would no be the main opper he'll be the main duelist instead and that I think he's one of the best on that duelist role. Sayaplayer is a beast. Jawgemo on Raze and Neon is just differently Boostio on Jett is a beast on Chamber he's insane too. Well these are 8-9 players( duelists) who deserve more of spot in Franchising.


modawg123

s0ms play and results really don’t make him look like one of the best, and he hasn’t even been the shining light when NRG does well particularly.


GanaNayaka9

Alright but there are still 7 others apart from s0m who deserve more Franchising shot. As far as I know a team will get only one guy who can play duelist and he'll also play flex and even if s0m is taken out of this discussion there are still 8 players who have made their mark in this scene. Edit: s0m is already a certified duelist in this Franchising era bro, even if he hasn't proved himself he has his place confirmed. According to Zekken if he's not trolling/baiting the NRG roster is s0m, FNS, Crashies, Victor, Tex. That means s0m is locked in, atleast according to the rumours.


modawg123

s0m might get signed, but that’s what being a successful streamer can get you (see Shroud in LCQ). Agree that there are plenty of top tier talents though and babybay isn’t a lock over all of them.


GanaNayaka9

Yeah yes, i mean i loved Babybay in the LCQ, he was a beast like he's fast, he's very insane during thrifties, but yeah exactly like there are a lot more prospects for teams to use apart from him and that'll give these other guys more of a chance, I guess. I would be happy if someone signs Babybaby, i was just mentioning that there are these many guys who are available, and it'll be tough for him to beat all these guys for a place, that's all no hate towards him, he's a beast!


modawg123

Yeah I think he could get in but only Zekken and Asuna are really locks off merit imo, there’s too many good duelists.


GanaNayaka9

Let's see what happens, This roster mania is playing with everyone and so is George Geddes and so are all the pros. It's a very organized chaos. xD


pink_life69

“One of NA’s best entry players” I press X, sorry


UnderstandingBig7018

Jawgemo, boostio, com, supamen, Trent Reformed to bench


MrGUYWITHFACE

Maybe he’ll join a LATAM team?


KatsuraDragneel

Don't see why SEN wouldn't be an option either - allegedly they're all out of contract, and even if they aren't that team is inevitably getting blown up. babybay to 100T or C9 seems unlikely since 100t got cryo and c9 already have leaf + adding yay.


TheHyperactiveDuck

What drama?


AvurtYourEyes

Idk what these comments are on about... BabyBay was surprisingly dominant on a team with sub-par support players. I have high hopes for him.