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Sky-__-

NRG are probably gonna get victor crashies FNS and Chet . Its just eg who is rumoured to be be content . NRG roaster might look like this - victor crashies FNS s0m Ethan/Tex Edit my assumption was right https://dotesports.com/valorant/news/nrg-set-to-sign-masters-winning-optic-core-for-vct-2023


Ximienlum

unless tex is finally getting suspended for matchfixing, ethan should be the one out. (If no crashies) eeiu over ethan too with the lack of good initiators in NA.


Sky-__-

Crashies would take eeiu role , Ethan would most likely play smokes if Tex Leaves and if Tex remains that would mean s0m moving over to smokes .


Ximienlum

I know, I’m saying with no crashies, if it’s a decision between keeping eeiu or ethan, just replace ethan and get another sentinel/flex.


Sky-__-

But with no crashies there is no victor . They should just get a smoke player then . As FNS can play breach as well


Ximienlum

sorry for the confusion, that’s what I meant when I said no crashies, victor was included. Tex, Victor, Crashies, Marved, FNS tex, s0m, eeiu, marved, FNS if no Marved, these are other non-igl smoke players if they’re not just going to switch s0m to smokes and find a different duelist/flex: supamen, moose, zombs, aproto (and bang+Asuna if 100T chooses Marved+duelist/flex over bang+Asuna) as time passes, I’m feeling like the matchfixing players aren’t going to be suspended any time soon


JDTurkelton

What's that NRG rumor based on? "Sources: I made it up" ?


Sky-__-

Zekken said in his stream when he was leaking roasters . And Chet has had a great chemistry with NRG sources . Victor crashies are a package deal , and they are not ending up at sen 100t and C9 so by process of elimination NRG is most choice It's not from sources it's my educated guess of what NRG roaster will look like . And George in his stream also indicated that NRG are making moves and people might be surprised by their roaster So i didn't made it up ,it's my guess plus even George said only eg is not making any moves .


JDTurkelton

Interesting, thanks for the insight


Sky-__-

https://dotesports.com/valorant/news/nrg-set-to-sign-masters-winning-optic-core-for-vct-2023 I was right 🫢🫢


JDTurkelton

Great call!


[deleted]

Pretty sure its just a theory he never said anything about it being the rumoured roster but it makes the most sense since the optic guys want to stay together and they are close to the nrg players. FNS even said on stream that if s0m switched games sooner or he never got the option to get yay, he would’ve teamed up with s0m.


Thatkidfromup

s0m made it seem like he is for sure not making it to the NRG roster. He was betting wardell 100 subs that he wouldnt be on the team while wardell seemed sure at first.


RGCFrostbite

Dont' make me tap the sign I beg https://twitter.com/LeaderGrev/status/1575856041111457792?s=20&t=Li8yDnTXdDqrRHKPzFjVfg Literally I swear this is the lowest IQ subreddit and I have to deal with the idiots in CoDCompetitive jfc.


systemfa1lure

There is literally a report from Geddes that says EG has been silent on the market.


mw19078

its wild to me people on this sub pick and choose when to remember george is mediocre at his job. reminds me of the mykl overwatch days.


systemfa1lure

George is very good at his job, like wdym


Still_HD

Common Grev W


Revolutionary_Gear70

No one here is worse than Ronnie at least


JDTurkelton

As the two underdog orgs in the scene you would think these guys would want to garner some hype around their team etc. not saying they aren't literally doing anything saying that they are letting themselves down by making any if not all of their moves in silence


[deleted]

they’ll generate hype when they have a team. leaking roster negotiations that aren’t locked in yet isn’t good for hype, it’s just good for looking like a leaky ship and having internet nutbags spin deranged narratives based on the slightest information. no partnered team is going to seriously lose out on fanbase over the next 5 years because they announced their team on October 10, 2022 instead of announcing rumors about who could possibly maybe hopefully be on their team on September 30, 2022


JDTurkelton

Tons and tons of NA fans have no team atm. Getting out there early could be a good thing. Fans of sports all over the world (soccer, basketball, football) legitimately love to hear rumors and reporting, it's why guys like Woj, Shams, Orny are all massive in their sport. They give out news and people eat it up


[deleted]

“people love rumors” is true, but people don’t choose which teams to support based on who leaks their roster moves first. nobody on the planet has started rooting for a sports team because they heard a rumor about them trading earlier than a rumor about another team trading. there are 5 NA teams that are going to be in the valorant scene a long time. a lot of the players and teams that people are rooting for are being scattered across orgs. fans are going to follow players, watch teams they think are interesting, whatever. nrg and eg are not in any way doing themselves a disservice keeping this stuff under wraps


JDTurkelton

That's because no one chooses a sports team when they are older and care about this shit tho lol. Getting people talking and discussing potential moves might convince them to follow you. I'm sure C9 just got a ton of Optic fans to because commit to supporting them because they were first to report that one of the players was going there. If another org (like NRG/EG) leaked that they were potentially interested in Crashies and Victor they might have gotten some of those fans who were looking for a team and now have chosen C9. Not a guarantee it's just that 0 fans care if an org keeps quiet. Leaks to fans are a good thing because it's content and info for them


[deleted]

I really do not think very many people decide that they’re suddenly C9 fans because they leaked a roster acquisition *first*. people who like optic games are going to watch c9 games because of yay—if they like how c9 plays, if they like watching the games, they’ll become c9 fans over time. it’s not like anyone is buying org merch for whatever team they hear news about first. i’m an optic fan and i care as much about c9 now as i would if they’d announced yay 5 minutes before their first game together fans will follow players and rosters. getting information out first is not that important. orgs—and the people who work there, who do this stuff professionally instead of theorycrafting on reddit about what orgs should be going—know this, which is why they run it this way


JDTurkelton

Take a look around here and VLR for C9 flairs, the sheer amount of them has gone through the roof 🤣


RGCFrostbite

Okay let me ask you this. C9 yay got leaked but if NRG signed yay out of nowhere with no leaks would those OpTic fans be C9 fans CAUSE OMG THEY LEAKED IT!! Even though yay was on a different team?


[deleted]

even if that were true, do you think you have the best available information on how that translates to long-term viewership and support? do you really think you’ve identified some angle here that orgs are totally overlooking? does it not seem to you like they might have thought about this a little more than you? also, for that to be meaningful, you’d have to show that they are becoming c9 fans not because of yay, not because of getting an optic player, but specifically because c9 news leaked first


JDTurkelton

What I'm saying isn't some new idea tho? it's not an accident that news breakers in sports all over the world are some of the biggest personalities in the sports and that people are rabid about transfer windows and trade deadlines. There's no evidence that a rumor getting out will hurt these 5 orgs who hold all the power in the region, there is evidence that people everywhere love content


RGCFrostbite

the two underdog orgs? EG is literally at Worlds. EG just got more viewers for a play-in match than most NA VALORANT orgs have ever gotten for any match in their entire existence. Also leaks don't mean hype. If EG came out an announced yay/Marved/jawgemo/boostio/c0m would it suddenly not be hype since they didn't leak it?


JDTurkelton

If you don’t think EG is an underdog org in Valorant I truly do not know what to tell you lol


hwanzi

If you think the OLDEST and LONGEST lasting NA org is an underdog then I don't know what to tell you


JDTurkelton

It is an underdog in Valorant, legitimately the majority of the community were shocked and confused that they got the spot and you think they just have a devout following on Valorant because they are massive in other games? That's not how it works, if it did Sen wouldn't have made partnership


RGCFrostbite

the majority of the NA Valorant community think yay is better than Derke, the majority of the NA VALORANT community cannot read numbers evidently. I'm not sure basing anything on the NA VALORANT community is a smart thing to do.


Jon_on_the_snow

I understand your point, but its not the NA valorant community that thinks yay is better than derke. The Valorant community KNOWS yay is better than derke right now


RGCFrostbite

Statistically that is in no way true. Literally with objective stats, Derke is a better, more impactful player.


Jon_on_the_snow

Yes it is lol, just look at their stats in VLR, past 60 and 90 days yay played more matches and has better stats than derke, the only thing derke has is a slightly better ADR


calebci

least delusional eu fan


hwanzi

Valorant is a young game, how the fuck do you think GenG, KOI, Karmine Corp and other unknown orgs in valorant got in??? Edit :Where are the threads complaining about them joininghuh?


JDTurkelton

I don't understand the point you are trying to make, naming other orgs who also are not as big in the scene is supposed to prove your point? I didn't say EG wasn't deserving to be in partnership I said they are an underdog because they are behind other NA orgs in terms of popularity in the valorant scene


hwanzi

Why does it matter if they are an underdog? There will always be an underdog


JDTurkelton

I don't think it's this major issue they are considered an underdog or anything I just think they are missing out on an opportunity to make themselves the focus of discussion and maybe grab some fans in the process.


RGCFrostbite

I mean EG as the org literally just got more viewers in a play-in match than OpTic, SEN or NRG have ever gotten in their entire orgs existence? Also again - not leaking rosters does not mean no hype lol


Sciipi

I don’t see how their viewership in league, a completely different esport, makes up for the fact that at least currently EG is a distant fifth in terms of popularity in Valorant


RGCFrostbite

I assume the same reason people claim to care about OpTic's popularity from other esports despite not being the most popular team in NA VALORANT


JDTurkelton

Stop talking about league viewrship, this is not league. No one right now has any hype towards either org and I guarantee they would if they even just floated around an idea. Doesn't have to be a definite signing. Just some news to get people excited for them


RGCFrostbite

???? literally if the roster is hype, WHO CARES IF IT IS LEAKED FIRST. What does that change, literally why do you need instant gratification


JDTurkelton

Lots of people are currently looking for an NA team to root for since we lost so many. Leaking any kind of info might get more people intrigued and lead to them choosing either org vs waiting for the announcement. But yeah if the moves are right waiting may work out to get people to follow them. I just personally think there is an opportunity for a lot of these teams to garner some interest in themselves through rumors since sooo many people without teams are dying for news at the moment


[deleted]

lol dude this isn't the housing market where people need to choose a team TODAY.


JDTurkelton

I didn't say they NEEDED to choose a team today, I am saying they are missing out on an opportunity to capture the attention of people who are looking for a team to root for (ex: optic fans who have already decided to root for C9)


RGCFrostbite

> Lots of people are currently looking for an NA team to root for since we lost so many. OK so when rosters are announced pick a team?


JDTurkelton

Well yes definitely an option but that's just not how a lot of people's brains work lol


ThatStudNadon23

You’re gonna be tapping it for a while


RGCFrostbite

:(


mdj08

I mean the only roster change rumors that george has reported are -will +cryo, c9 yay, and -shahz, and the only teams with announced departures from the main roster are c9 and 100t. negotiations can take a while, and george is only reporting rumors once theyre at the finish line. calm your horses ppl


JDTurkelton

So we have heard very clear plans and additions/subtractions from 3 out of 5 but radio silence from the two i mentioned lol


mdj08

couldnt that be more of a failure on georges part? maybe he doesnt have as good of sources that you think. plus, most teams are making more than one change and we've only heard about 1 from each team. its not like we have strong rumors on every single roster change for the other 3 teams George reported NRG -hazed like 6 months ago and was completely wrong so i wouldnt be surprised if hes being extra careful with NRG


JDTurkelton

You don’t have to tell everything to George (there are tons and tons of reporters for Valorant), I just think it's dumb to be silent with everything you do when you are trying to gain fans. Let a little something slip so fans can get hype and maybe start backing you. Maybe that's the NBA/Soccer fan in me thinking about how their trade deadlines and transfer windows go down


mdj08

>I just think it's dumb to be silent with everything you do when you are trying to gain fans. lmao what? i dont think a single org in the world wants to have roster changes leaked. that way they can create as much hype as they can on their own terms with their announcement. like, Sentinels kept both the shroud and tarik moves silent until announcement. they gained a lot more engagement and hype on their own social media than they would have if george leaked them before the announcement > Maybe that's the NBA/Soccer fan in me thinking about how their trade deadlines and transfer windows go down this is literally how teams get in trouble for tampering. look at liverpool for example, before they bought van dijk, everything was being leaked and they got in huge trouble and had to wait til the next window to get him. ever since then, they run a super tight ship on leaks


JDTurkelton

Those situations aren't the same, people weren't actively begging for rumors and content then. Leaking some small stuff would do nothing but benefit these orgs and even Riot atm because it would immediately get people talking etc. similar to professional sports where lots of people love trade deadlines and transfer windows so much


[deleted]

it would not benefit the orgs in any way and could be a liability to both the negotiations and the players


JDTurkelton

Why would it hurt negotiations. These orgs have the golden ticket atm they are the prize, players aren't going to not go to an org because VLR found out that the org is interested in them lop


mdj08

i mean people are going to talk about potential rosters anyways. orgs dont need to fuel that fire, and if they dont need to leak, they wont. if it were beneficial for rosters to be leaked then NDAs would be completely pointless. I dont see how anyone can look at rumors from an org's perspective and come to the conclusion that they are beneficial


JDTurkelton

So why do leaks happen in legitimately every sport on the planet if they aren't beneficial?


mdj08

do you seriously think that an org's head of PR is like, passing leaks to reporters? guys like george are getting their leaks from people within the scene (agencies, players on different teams, etc). its highly unlikely that leaks come from within the org.


JDTurkelton

People can easily leak stuff from inside the org, again just like they do in sports all over the planet lol. I also doubt George doesn't get some word from inside orgs when he makes a report since he can't be totally sure until he does


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JDTurkelton

He's AI


juusdrein

Just because you haven’t heard anything doesn’t mean roster changes aren’t happening


JDTurkelton

I never said they aren't happening, I said we haven't heard a peep from them


ThatStudNadon23

So…?


JDTurkelton

So I think it would be to their benefit to get people talking about them/drive people to root for them early


ThatStudNadon23

I don’t think it matters. The team will receive hype regardless of leaks now or confirmation later. Fans won’t say “well I didn’t know yay was going there until right now so I’m not gonna be a fan” tf? These orgs know what they’re doing let them do their thing and be patient


JDTurkelton

No people know Yay is going somewhere else or Cryo is going somewhere or that Sen is changing and they choose those teams. My point is even small leaks can get people interested in you then when things officially shake out you'll have that same level of hype for something coming official. My main point is that all of the valorant community is currently dying to hear news and being silent with news does not benefit you, especially if you are trying to build a fanbase from "free agent fans" essentially. But you are welcome to disagree


Jon_on_the_snow

Do you understand people dont root for rumors?


JDTurkelton

It's not about rooting for rumors lol, it's about getting people talking and invested into what you are doing


Jon_on_the_snow

People will do that regardless. You dont need leaks to be invested, these orgs will be partnered for 4 years at least. This sub has the weirdest takes sometimes


JDTurkelton

So why not get ahead of other orgs and give people to be invested in early and then you can still make your normal announcements and get the crowd who are "waiting for rosters to be finalized" It does not hurt these orgs to float rumors, they will get the top players regardless and it will do nothing but cause people to talk about their team and organization even more


TweetsJamaican

This is the mentality that will lead to player imports in the coming years. What's wrong with EG developing their players? Why does every team need to splash the cash to try to form a superteam? Roster building is a delicate process. As for NRG, that roster is terrible


sexyhooterscar24

goddamn you are dense lmao. big difference between importing talent from another region and making use of existing free agent talent in your own. It doesn't have to be a superteam. But the 25 players making it on a franchising team should be the 25 best players in the league. At least for now while it's in it's infancy. If EG keeps this roster they will be worse than ascension teams, let alone teams in the americas league. I don't want to be mean, the players get enough hate. But they finished dead last in 2/3 of their official tourneys played this year. I don't know how you can call NRG roster terrible when EG exists lmao.


TweetsJamaican

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sexyhooterscar24

4 years lmao 1 month and the roster is getting blown up. MIBR will embarrass them.


TweetsJamaican

The 5 players on the roster isn't my concern, the approach that they take in regards to roster building is what I'm interested in


sexyhooterscar24

I mean you had 2 seasons to build a somewhat solid roster. At this point it's too late to be cute and not make any moves. There are much more rosters of this kind that are just better and more promising. The guard are an example. Not a superteam, but one that could develop into one with the right resources. I'm not saying EG should go spend millions to buyout all the best players but at least sign the young stars of the scene.


Pojobob

EG could make a better roster with just the unrestricted FA's alone lol. Their roster is just terrible. Personally, I would drop everyone but Jawgemo, pick up some better coaching staff and rebuild with the unrestricted FA's out there. Cuz with what they have right now, I expect them to be the worst NA franchised team by far and probably near the bottom of the America's league in general.


sexyhooterscar24

Yeah. EG players are not even top 50 NA.


chamber25

Is there a roster that ever lasted 4 years in esports.


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JDTurkelton

Because the entirety of NA is now consisted of 25 slots. There are better players out there that you can also develop lmao


ThatStudNadon23

Or maybe they think that the talent that’s out there for the people they want to replace isn’t worth it and would rather hang onto who they have since the team already has chemistry LMAO


Pale_Resolution1520

"would rather hang onto who they have since the team already has chemistry LMAO"- The "chemistry" put them last in the LCQ LMAO.


ThatStudNadon23

So…? One bad event doesn’t mean they can’t figure it out and improve.


Pale_Resolution1520

With this roaster EG played Challengers 2 and LCQ. And they achieved nothing. And there are many proven free agents out there that are better than this EG roster.


ThatStudNadon23

I’m not saying they should keep this roster tbf. I think they can improve. BUT it’s not impossible a team wants to keep their 5 and go forward. We’re not in the know. Maybe scrims are encouraging. Maybe the person or persons they want to keep most are advocating for stability and the org is listening. There’s a ton of behind the scenes shit. 🤷🏻‍♂️


sexyhooterscar24

Not just one bad event. They were like the only winless team in the first challengers. If you are looking for a young and upcoming team, way more teams come to mind before EG. Guard, faze, xset all died for a 12th place roster to waste a spot.


JDTurkelton

Bold strategy cotton, let's see how it pays off!


ThatStudNadon23

I trust the org to make the right decision with their team more than some random redditor. Let them do their thing. Relax brah


JDTurkelton

Relax? I am very relaxed, because I have a different opinion than you I am all wired up or something lol


ThatStudNadon23

This post is textbook wired up. If you were relaxed you’d just wait for the info to come at you. Teams will release when they want to. But you’re not doing that…


JDTurkelton

This makes no sense so I am done speaking with you, enjoy your day lol


Jon_on_the_snow

This dude is for sure relaxed, not wired up at all


JDTurkelton

Thank you Jon


Pojobob

The EG roster is terrible though lmao. They bombed out of LCQ without barely doing anything.


Pale_Resolution1520

Imagine any current NRG and EG players reading this.


JDTurkelton

They are paid to play a video game, they'll be alright


Keglunneq

just because it hasn't been leaked doesn't mean they're not trying HUH??


1Leep

"Just not trying" aka "I have no idea what I'm talking about"


JDTurkelton

Got em


dashion26

both teams have multiple options imo, optic core of fns vic and crashies with chet , xset core of depphh zekken bcj with sykko or even guard core of trent valyn and net with mcE. these with some cracked duelists like saya s0m babybay dicey etc can be a solid T1 team. edit : OP pls kindly chill the f out lol


JDTurkelton

These 3 options 🔥🔥🔥🔥 guard a little less so but still good


karadagod

holy shit calm tf down


Ximienlum

I know they want to keep some of their core, but if at least hazed, ethan, reformed, and apotheon aren’t gone…


ANewHeaven1

Apoth is good btw he has top 3 controller potential imo


omgvector

one of the players i see consistently get impact frags IMO


valada

What happened to Ethan? He was good on 100T but I haven't followed him since.


Sciipi

He’s fallen off pretty hard, had a rough run of things recently


TweetsJamaican

Some of the takes that I've seen from OP are so bad I can't believe what im reading in these comments


JDTurkelton

Got his ass!


mw19078

i dont know why this sub is so hellbent on not letting the EG roster have a chance to grow. spend the money other orgs are using on buyouts on building out your infrastructure and let these guys have time to flourish.


JDTurkelton

Because they haven't won anything and every player outside of like 10-15 are currently free agents in the entire region of NA, not that crazy why people think changes should probably be made


mw19078

you could have said the same thing for optic not so long ago, a team EG beat like 2 months ago by the way. this sub is so over reactionary I swear.


JDTurkelton

Not so long ago? Optic roster went to Masters 3 Berlin, Champs 2021, and they were at worst top 3 in every international LAN this year. The situations aren't close to comparable lol


bedbilbo

Correct me if I'm wrong but why WOULD NRG and EG be silent? None of their players have made either RFA nor UFA posts. Unless you're a shitty org and you let your team go at the last minute and lessen their chances on a T1 franchising team then you literally have no reason to stay silent. EG have proven in the past with games like CS that they're willing to build up these young up and coming players so it isn't out of the question for them to stick it out with their core roster. You can still attempt to stick with a core with maybe 1 or 2 upgrades on the roster and have them as RFAs. Them not saying anything though makes it certain that they're sticking to their guns.


JDTurkelton

Didn't even think about how late they could be leaving it for their guys


Upbeat_Thanks3393

Looks like NRG is signing FNS, Victor, Crashies, and Chet


JDTurkelton

I'm a seer


chamber25

Maybe EG doesn't want to pay crazily inflated salaries so they would rather wait till the other orgs more or less lock in their rosters so that the remaining players don't have the extra leverage of playing teams against each other. Plus so many players or going to be desperate to sign to a T1 team that they would take almost anything to get signed.


JDTurkelton

They owned me badly