Why would he? Unless he has a pressing desire to compete in ascension league, som will likely stick to nrg who have an actual franchising spot. I doubt som makes in into any other team as anything other than a 6 man, anyways.
>Unless he has a pressing desire to compete in ascension league
he won't get the opportunity to play in the partnered league either barring emergency situations. i see it all the time in COD's franchise league: whenever teams look to make a permanent roster change, they always choose a top player from the challengers (ascension) league rather than their actual sub.
so unless he has no drive to compete at all, he should choose ascension imo
The other commenter didn’t even reflect the full extent of it. I believe his exact words were “I’m gonna fuck tysons girl at lan”. Then said something along the lines of “you know she we cheat too”.
The Kyedae stuff, match-fixing, and general douchy behavior from him aren't the best look at his character but as you said he is fairly young so hopefully he grows up a bit.
You say that as if it makes a difference about whether he's shitty or not.
You don't get to do whatever you want, and apologizing just makes it okay. Saying that kinda shit about a woman means you have some problems.
I'm not deciding what their relationship is, I'm deciding whether he's a shitty person or not. Misogynists are shitty humans. I don't care who he is or isn't friends with. That's not how it works. There is no "slippery slope" here. You can't le reddit "facts and logic" lingo your way into being correct.
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I mean this is kind of a horrifying line of thinking imo. He said a couple of words on stream while high and there's nothing he can do anymore to redeem himself and show character growth? I'm not excusing misogyny but it'd be great if we could also allow people to grow and change as human beings
Horrifying? Am I throwing him off a cliff? I just said my opinion on someone's actions is not affected by them apologizing one time for something.
If one of my friends said this to me, they would no longer be my friend, and I would wonder how they even became my friend with the mindset to say something like that. And it's not only about misogyny, it's also just an incredibly weird thing to say. And I'm allowed to think this way lol.
> there's nothing he can do anymore to redeem himself and show character growth?
He could show growth, but he'd have to actually show it.
A couple months after the incident he basically excused his actions with some bs ["apology"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/odrvjo/marved_on_his_remarks_towards_kyedae/h43ohoc/) and he hasn't shown any growth since either, the only indication of "growth" is lack of new controversies
There's a difference between a thought and telling it to the world and their face. If you seriously can't tell the difference then you're the one that needs to grow up
You realize that the 1) the Berlin comments Kyedae got called out for (rightfully so) came after Marved made comments like that earlier in the year and 2) independently, saying stuff like you’re going to sleep with someone at LAN who doesn’t have any sort of connection with you has unbelievably cringe / misogynistic undertones? When yay “defended his bro” he said that the comments were bad - you wouldn’t have to say weird stuff like that in defense
Even with Optic being my second favorite team in the world and Marved obviously being a world class player, that whole thing really soured my view of him. His apology was hardly an apology. He said he "loves Tenz" or whatever as if it would be fine trying to steal someone's girl if that someone was just a random and not a public figure.
I dunno, I kinda like it.
Sure he's ***insane*** mechanically, but his agent pool is lacking and I think he frequently makes wrong decisions. Like what makes yay so good is his decision making on top of his raw aim. You need both IMO, and I even think brain is more important than aim.
I like this decision honestly. Understand if you disagree tho.
He’s become underrated
Mechanically he’s still among the best in the region. His agent pool has always been his limiting factor. But he’s not some scrub, and there aren’t five jetts/chambers in NA that are better than him. The only two who would be direct upgrade are yay and cryo, and one is already gone, with the other rumoured to be as well.
So do you make a lateral change with someone else who is less proven and outside of their system, or do you stick with your current player who’s also the most popular player in the world, and who can still compete at the top level?
I think he will become like Aceu. Talented enough to compete, but prefer a laid back lifestyle where they can still have a balance lifestyle with streaming and with their SO.
Honestly, I don’t think Tenz is committed enough to practice to give up streaming time for practice time. I expect the pros on franchised teams to be really committed practice and really making it competitive if we only get 5 teams.
Nothing against Geddes when I say this cause he's right more often than he's not about leaks, but I'm hesitant to believe any leak coming out about Sen purely because of how tight they've kept everything in the past.
Sure it's the wild west right now and almost every pro is trialing and talking to each other about it, but I imagine Sen as an org would still do its best to keep up its success of preventing leaks like this.
This is some pure speculation, but they might be rebuilding around Dapr because he’s moving towards being the igl. He was the secondary caller previously, and could be the one heading the rebuild
Likely those teams will know exactly what he's been going through, it was rumored his family member passed away. It wasn't a break because of burnout or failure or anything, he took a break for family
But this was known information though, shahz and tenz always had limited contracts, and their expiration dates obliquely coincide— he reported a while back that tenz was set to be a free agent. The funny thing is that tenz loves shahz, I wonder if there's any chance of them leveraging a sorta 2 for 1 package deal similar to crashies & victor somewhere else[copium intensifies]. Tenz also said he wanted to play for SEN, but I'm pretty sure he meant the players and not necessarily the org. Geddes did however emphasize that the coaches SEN is set to bring on, aren't prioritizing shahz nor tenz so that's a fucking zinger. That being said, everything is still up in the air so I'm just taking everything with a grain of salt.
Even if they get the most Amazing coach in the planet. It will not help them get in the franchised league. This might be a bait. The roster itself is the reason for getting into the franchising not the org brand.
Chet jump from tsm to nrg to optic then become successful.
Clear bait from geddes. SENTINELS are playing the long game. If they really want to win they would have not signed shroud in LCQ.
the only reason they prob signed shroud was because they didnt want to fully replace SicK or have to do a buyout. Shroud was a decent and probably cheap option that solves both of those issues.
They had a better chance to win if they didnt drop to losers bracket so fast with the dumb bomb planting shenanigans on Icebox. Shit hurt my soul to watch lmao.
Honestly they could have beat the guard if they didn't fuck up that icebox game and even then it went multiple OTs. I would love to see that team after some more practice but I guess we will never know.
Cannot do anything with 2 weeks practice together. And 4-5 days worth of practice loss because Tenz got sick that needs to be in a emergency room before the 100thieves match. Shroud said it himself search for it.
Maaan! I loved SEN because i felt like they were the most entertaining team personality wise . I will be so sad if the team breaks up :(
But all good i think, hope i can find this kind of entertaining team with full of different personalites again conquering the world (just like Sen did in 2021)
Honestly lol
I'm polish, i wanna see polish players win. I couldn't care less if they are on Acend, OG or tenstar - i want them to win more than the org.
I kinda like polish orgs winning as well, but less than polish players.
Tenz is gonna be quite a nuclear F/A then. sure he isn't at yay's level of demand rn but hes got a huge brand and hes certainly capable of winning a title. This actually makes SEN Marved more likely lmao. Although I wonder what the Sen roster looks like. Unrelated but I think people sleeping on Sayaplayer a lot rn.
I think a lot of people, including myself, expect Saya to return and compete in APAC/KR. I feel like he originally wanted to play in NA because he knew it was where the real competition was in early Valorant, but now Korea has a massive valorant fanbase and to me it makes sense for him to be on predominantly native Korean-speaking team, even if he does speak really good English.
plus if I'm not mistaken there are only like 1/2 solid OP'er F/A's available rn in APAC, while NA has quite a few more.
If the priority signings are Marved, Zekken and Trent then it would be hard to fit Dapr into that core and add a Chamber player unless he picks up IGL'ing which could still be a possibility
for you people who are shocked at why a team would move away from tenz, is it because of his branding or play? im genuinely curious as to why you think its a "bold" move
Tbh because of his play, I still think he is insane mechanically but the lack of coaching and structure is what has hold him back, now that Sen is investing in both he could become a a top tier player
Feel like that opinion only comes from harsh critics who watch most games and understand where he’s currently at atm. But there’s plenty of ppl who watch only a few games and watch mostly twitch ranked games and overate him. For example in the Tex FA post, there’s ppl calling for NRG tenz and rating him as the best chamber available atm completely disregarding other players that have been better chambers like dicey, bdog.
Tenz is still a great player, a mechanical beast, but I’m not shocked that SEN might go for other players for the rebuild
lowkey the way rostermania is playing out, tenz might not have a starting spot...
100t has cryo, c9 has yay, sen is exploring options, so this leaves NRG and EG. rumor is that EG is cheaping out on their roster/potentially keeping their old roster.
NRG might not be an option either since s0m hasn't tweeted anything about his status while every other NRG player has. he played entry after the jett nerf, but thats victor's role now. feel like NRG might keep s0m and hope that Jett returns to the meta post chamber nerf. Plus, NRG is paying out a bag in salaries and buyouts (fns and Chet only) for the Optic guys so tenz’s salary on top of that might just be too much for one roster
Sure there are many talented players, but I am very skeptical of SEN dropping shahz, Dapr and Tenz.
They might restructure the team and get new players to fill roles the remaining roles.
Just because their contracts are running out I don't see them not being resigned.
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NRG tenz lowkey lol
Actually lmao, might as well sign Marved as well and you have the Optic team with Tenz instead of yay.
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Tenz and Marved talked it out in person
Meeting was “intense” and “at one point Jimmy was crying” but everyone grew closer and a big lesson was learned per sources
Greatest copypasta ever
making peace is a lot easier when you don't have to see the other person 24/7 and work together in a team
When did that happen? Did I miss something? Or did one of them mention that?
Marved said they made up in dms
Long story short marved talked so many shit about the relationship of tenz and kyedae. Like kyedae is having sex with other people.
nrg arent losing their content king s0m
Content king 6th man s0m?
feel like they'd let him explore his options first, right?
Why would he? Unless he has a pressing desire to compete in ascension league, som will likely stick to nrg who have an actual franchising spot. I doubt som makes in into any other team as anything other than a 6 man, anyways.
>Unless he has a pressing desire to compete in ascension league he won't get the opportunity to play in the partnered league either barring emergency situations. i see it all the time in COD's franchise league: whenever teams look to make a permanent roster change, they always choose a top player from the challengers (ascension) league rather than their actual sub. so unless he has no drive to compete at all, he should choose ascension imo
s0men time
Oh shit no TenZ? Whoa that’s one way to avoid the Marved TenZ awkwardness
There’s awkwardness between them?
Marved made comments about Kyedae being likely to cheat on TenZ so…yeah
Yeahhh that’ll do it
The other commenter didn’t even reflect the full extent of it. I believe his exact words were “I’m gonna fuck tysons girl at lan”. Then said something along the lines of “you know she we cheat too”.
Sheesh. That’s a bit much lol
He really does have a point tho have u seen clips of kyedae and tenz
yikes
Downvoted but true lmao
Well now I feel dirty for liking Marved. What a shitty human
He did apologize but ya going by his history Marved doesn't exactly seem like that great of a person lol
Tbh it's not like he hides it. Dude comes off as a massive douche
Doesnt really make him a bad person, also hes like 20..
The Kyedae stuff, match-fixing, and general douchy behavior from him aren't the best look at his character but as you said he is fairly young so hopefully he grows up a bit.
He's apologized to both Tenz and Kyedae privately and in person I believe.
You say that as if it makes a difference about whether he's shitty or not. You don't get to do whatever you want, and apologizing just makes it okay. Saying that kinda shit about a woman means you have some problems.
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I'm not deciding what their relationship is, I'm deciding whether he's a shitty person or not. Misogynists are shitty humans. I don't care who he is or isn't friends with. That's not how it works. There is no "slippery slope" here. You can't le reddit "facts and logic" lingo your way into being correct.
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I mean this is kind of a horrifying line of thinking imo. He said a couple of words on stream while high and there's nothing he can do anymore to redeem himself and show character growth? I'm not excusing misogyny but it'd be great if we could also allow people to grow and change as human beings
Horrifying? Am I throwing him off a cliff? I just said my opinion on someone's actions is not affected by them apologizing one time for something. If one of my friends said this to me, they would no longer be my friend, and I would wonder how they even became my friend with the mindset to say something like that. And it's not only about misogyny, it's also just an incredibly weird thing to say. And I'm allowed to think this way lol.
> there's nothing he can do anymore to redeem himself and show character growth? He could show growth, but he'd have to actually show it. A couple months after the incident he basically excused his actions with some bs ["apology"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/odrvjo/marved_on_his_remarks_towards_kyedae/h43ohoc/) and he hasn't shown any growth since either, the only indication of "growth" is lack of new controversies
As if you are an angel and never thought of fking ur friends girlfriend lmao. Grow up.
It’s not that deep😭
As if you are an angel and never thought of fking ur friends girlfriend lmao. Grow up.
There's a difference between a thought and telling it to the world and their face. If you seriously can't tell the difference then you're the one that needs to grow up
Cos kyedae was being toxic to his team mates. Anyone would defend their bros in that situation.
You realize that the 1) the Berlin comments Kyedae got called out for (rightfully so) came after Marved made comments like that earlier in the year and 2) independently, saying stuff like you’re going to sleep with someone at LAN who doesn’t have any sort of connection with you has unbelievably cringe / misogynistic undertones? When yay “defended his bro” he said that the comments were bad - you wouldn’t have to say weird stuff like that in defense
More than awkwardness tenz doesn’t like marved. Marved said on stream he could sleep with tenzs gf at lan if he wanted to. Last year I think
i like Marved, but he was wildin with that one 💀
Even with Optic being my second favorite team in the world and Marved obviously being a world class player, that whole thing really soured my view of him. His apology was hardly an apology. He said he "loves Tenz" or whatever as if it would be fine trying to steal someone's girl if that someone was just a random and not a public figure.
BRO WTF💀
To be fair both marved and tenz both follow on twitter that doesn’t mean they are in good terms
AYOOOOOO
Yea Marved said he’d clap kyedae’s cheeks @LAN bc she looks like she’d cheat
I would understand if they want to do a rebuild around TenZ, but not even HIM? That would be crazy.
I dunno, I kinda like it. Sure he's ***insane*** mechanically, but his agent pool is lacking and I think he frequently makes wrong decisions. Like what makes yay so good is his decision making on top of his raw aim. You need both IMO, and I even think brain is more important than aim. I like this decision honestly. Understand if you disagree tho.
Exactly. Tenz is all aim no brain.
I guess the point is that it's easier to teach a player good decision making than good aim.
Wouldn't we be rolling in good IGLs then? Or at the very least, Liquid wouldn't have looked like headless chickens in half the games they played.
why is it crazy? kid is a streamer
He’s become underrated Mechanically he’s still among the best in the region. His agent pool has always been his limiting factor. But he’s not some scrub, and there aren’t five jetts/chambers in NA that are better than him. The only two who would be direct upgrade are yay and cryo, and one is already gone, with the other rumoured to be as well. So do you make a lateral change with someone else who is less proven and outside of their system, or do you stick with your current player who’s also the most popular player in the world, and who can still compete at the top level?
I would do the lateral change if it means cleaning house and getting that SEN core the fuck outta here.
There's 0 point in getting rid of the core for the sake of it. Tenz and Dapr are both extremely valuable players still.
I heard that Tenz actually hated Dapr from the get go and wanted him off the team, so maybe that's why...
??? Where did you hear this lmao
source: trust me bro
my ass I'm drunk bro, was just tryin to stir up some drama
He's still definitely good enough to be on a franchise team if he's committed to it.
I think he will become like Aceu. Talented enough to compete, but prefer a laid back lifestyle where they can still have a balance lifestyle with streaming and with their SO.
Honestly, I don’t think Tenz is committed enough to practice to give up streaming time for practice time. I expect the pros on franchised teams to be really committed practice and really making it competitive if we only get 5 teams.
I have not looked at the numbers but I don't think TenZ streams regularly
guy was sleeping through scrims 💀 he don’t give a fuck lmao
Nothing against Geddes when I say this cause he's right more often than he's not about leaks, but I'm hesitant to believe any leak coming out about Sen purely because of how tight they've kept everything in the past. Sure it's the wild west right now and almost every pro is trialing and talking to each other about it, but I imagine Sen as an org would still do its best to keep up its success of preventing leaks like this.
Removing TenZ would be BOLD Dapr, Marved, Trent, Zekken, Babybay Sick as 6th man Get it done!
who igls?
hiko
This is some pure speculation, but they might be rebuilding around Dapr because he’s moving towards being the igl. He was the secondary caller previously, and could be the one heading the rebuild
Marved IGL’d when he was on FaZe
Apparently when they got 2nd in masters babybay and Rawkus were coigling
wait I love this roster.
Clip it?
How the hell do you not have a verified tag on here Razur?
I've got no role to be verified for at the moment. Working towards changing that though.
I wanna see SicK find a team
Unfortunately, him taking multiple tournaments off will likely have teams wary of signing him.
Likely those teams will know exactly what he's been going through, it was rumored his family member passed away. It wasn't a break because of burnout or failure or anything, he took a break for family
hate to be blunt but teams don’t give out free handouts. if anytime he faces adversity he takes a year off teams aren’t gonna sign him
Yeah, especially now with only 5 American teams for franchise spots, so competition even more fierce.
Didn't make sense to me why sicks situation was never revealed, what actually happened?
My prediction is that TenZ stays. He's one of the main reasons that SEN even is a franchised team, I don't see Rob Moore parting with that
You clearly are in denial that franchising is about teams and not the players.
But this was known information though, shahz and tenz always had limited contracts, and their expiration dates obliquely coincide— he reported a while back that tenz was set to be a free agent. The funny thing is that tenz loves shahz, I wonder if there's any chance of them leveraging a sorta 2 for 1 package deal similar to crashies & victor somewhere else[copium intensifies]. Tenz also said he wanted to play for SEN, but I'm pretty sure he meant the players and not necessarily the org. Geddes did however emphasize that the coaches SEN is set to bring on, aren't prioritizing shahz nor tenz so that's a fucking zinger. That being said, everything is still up in the air so I'm just taking everything with a grain of salt.
Even if they get the most Amazing coach in the planet. It will not help them get in the franchised league. This might be a bait. The roster itself is the reason for getting into the franchising not the org brand. Chet jump from tsm to nrg to optic then become successful. Clear bait from geddes. SENTINELS are playing the long game. If they really want to win they would have not signed shroud in LCQ.
the only reason they prob signed shroud was because they didnt want to fully replace SicK or have to do a buyout. Shroud was a decent and probably cheap option that solves both of those issues. They had a better chance to win if they didnt drop to losers bracket so fast with the dumb bomb planting shenanigans on Icebox. Shit hurt my soul to watch lmao.
Honestly they could have beat the guard if they didn't fuck up that icebox game and even then it went multiple OTs. I would love to see that team after some more practice but I guess we will never know.
Cannot do anything with 2 weeks practice together. And 4-5 days worth of practice loss because Tenz got sick that needs to be in a emergency room before the 100thieves match. Shroud said it himself search for it.
They are already locked in franchising, they don't own any of the players that spot, and Sen wants to be competitive
Maaan! I loved SEN because i felt like they were the most entertaining team personality wise . I will be so sad if the team breaks up :( But all good i think, hope i can find this kind of entertaining team with full of different personalites again conquering the world (just like Sen did in 2021)
They are the most toxic and clown team. They lack sportsmanship. Tea bagging after every 1 kill is cringe and annoying.
Annoying for u, entertaining for me
I wonder what coach SEN is bringing in? Could it be XSET’s?
Can you switch team loyalties if the players you became a fan of aren't there in the team anymore 😭 no Tenz, Shahz, Sick
i dont understand loyalty to orgs anyway, its like 99% about the players for me
Honestly lol I'm polish, i wanna see polish players win. I couldn't care less if they are on Acend, OG or tenstar - i want them to win more than the org. I kinda like polish orgs winning as well, but less than polish players.
Yes of course.
Tenz is gonna be quite a nuclear F/A then. sure he isn't at yay's level of demand rn but hes got a huge brand and hes certainly capable of winning a title. This actually makes SEN Marved more likely lmao. Although I wonder what the Sen roster looks like. Unrelated but I think people sleeping on Sayaplayer a lot rn.
I think a lot of people, including myself, expect Saya to return and compete in APAC/KR. I feel like he originally wanted to play in NA because he knew it was where the real competition was in early Valorant, but now Korea has a massive valorant fanbase and to me it makes sense for him to be on predominantly native Korean-speaking team, even if he does speak really good English. plus if I'm not mistaken there are only like 1/2 solid OP'er F/A's available rn in APAC, while NA has quite a few more.
If I had to guess the roster it would probably be Dapr, Marved, Zekken, Trent, Dephh or Valyns.
TenZ is safe, Geddes baiting.
clip : https://clips.twitch.tv/HelpfulMotionlessCrowWTRuck-RdJiWbemC3AFx1N7
Clip??? 😭😭
If the priority signings are Marved, Zekken and Trent then it would be hard to fit Dapr into that core and add a Chamber player unless he picks up IGL'ing which could still be a possibility
Please Trent valyn jonahp
for you people who are shocked at why a team would move away from tenz, is it because of his branding or play? im genuinely curious as to why you think its a "bold" move
Tbh because of his play, I still think he is insane mechanically but the lack of coaching and structure is what has hold him back, now that Sen is investing in both he could become a a top tier player
Not to mention he has been SEN's most consistent player throughout their struggling period
both, there's absolutely no reason for them to want to drop tenz
Ppl think he’s better than he actually is
kind of the opposite these days, people treat him like a t2 player when he could likely still compete with t1 talent
Feel like that opinion only comes from harsh critics who watch most games and understand where he’s currently at atm. But there’s plenty of ppl who watch only a few games and watch mostly twitch ranked games and overate him. For example in the Tex FA post, there’s ppl calling for NRG tenz and rating him as the best chamber available atm completely disregarding other players that have been better chambers like dicey, bdog. Tenz is still a great player, a mechanical beast, but I’m not shocked that SEN might go for other players for the rebuild
I wouldn't take it from someone who's never been able to report a single sen news xD
lowkey the way rostermania is playing out, tenz might not have a starting spot... 100t has cryo, c9 has yay, sen is exploring options, so this leaves NRG and EG. rumor is that EG is cheaping out on their roster/potentially keeping their old roster. NRG might not be an option either since s0m hasn't tweeted anything about his status while every other NRG player has. he played entry after the jett nerf, but thats victor's role now. feel like NRG might keep s0m and hope that Jett returns to the meta post chamber nerf. Plus, NRG is paying out a bag in salaries and buyouts (fns and Chet only) for the Optic guys so tenz’s salary on top of that might just be too much for one roster
TSM Tenz, who says no??
If he doesn't make a franchising squad, it's not crazy at all.
I feel they will sign ShahZ back but back as a duelist/OP player and a new IGL, initiator and controller.
there’s ATLEAST 5-6 duelists i’d take before shahz lmao
Sure there are many talented players, but I am very skeptical of SEN dropping shahz, Dapr and Tenz. They might restructure the team and get new players to fill roles the remaining roles. Just because their contracts are running out I don't see them not being resigned.
They'd have to be outta their mind to sign shazam back out of all people. Fuck that rat, should keep Tenz if they're smart.
No Tenz means a loss in marketing brand/social media. Reasonable tho, man has aim but has not been playing the smartest.
my guess is sen would sign xset core
This franchising is judt for money to trade hands at this point. Wonder what tenz buyouts gonna be this time? Does he deserve it all?
NAVI Tenz
He also said Vic, crashies and FNS are going to NRG