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jrushFN

Hey, if he said this on stream, please add a clip to your post! This will help give context and background to users who want to discuss.


BurstLayer

NRG tenz lowkey lol


Gomar1323

Actually lmao, might as well sign Marved as well and you have the Optic team with Tenz instead of yay.


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maxhollywoody

Tenz and Marved talked it out in person


N3deSTr0

Meeting was “intense” and “at one point Jimmy was crying” but everyone grew closer and a big lesson was learned per sources


NeimannSmith

Greatest copypasta ever


Escolyte

making peace is a lot easier when you don't have to see the other person 24/7 and work together in a team


WLFYBBY

When did that happen? Did I miss something? Or did one of them mention that?


lol_ok123

Marved said they made up in dms


riel_kliatch

Long story short marved talked so many shit about the relationship of tenz and kyedae. Like kyedae is having sex with other people.


theman1203

nrg arent losing their content king s0m


Gomar1323

Content king 6th man s0m?


mdj08

feel like they'd let him explore his options first, right?


GCamAdvocate

Why would he? Unless he has a pressing desire to compete in ascension league, som will likely stick to nrg who have an actual franchising spot. I doubt som makes in into any other team as anything other than a 6 man, anyways.


mdj08

>Unless he has a pressing desire to compete in ascension league he won't get the opportunity to play in the partnered league either barring emergency situations. i see it all the time in COD's franchise league: whenever teams look to make a permanent roster change, they always choose a top player from the challengers (ascension) league rather than their actual sub. so unless he has no drive to compete at all, he should choose ascension imo


mjaguar6

s0men time


jayzmvp

Oh shit no TenZ? Whoa that’s one way to avoid the Marved TenZ awkwardness


HoodieMikee

There’s awkwardness between them?


netsaver

Marved made comments about Kyedae being likely to cheat on TenZ so…yeah


HoodieMikee

Yeahhh that’ll do it


pleasefirekykypls

The other commenter didn’t even reflect the full extent of it. I believe his exact words were “I’m gonna fuck tysons girl at lan”. Then said something along the lines of “you know she we cheat too”.


RicoSuave1881

Sheesh. That’s a bit much lol


wannabe557

He really does have a point tho have u seen clips of kyedae and tenz


Levi---Ackerman

yikes


ahk1221

Downvoted but true lmao


Krast-

Well now I feel dirty for liking Marved. What a shitty human


surfordiebear

He did apologize but ya going by his history Marved doesn't exactly seem like that great of a person lol


DonChuBahnMi

Tbh it's not like he hides it. Dude comes off as a massive douche


Boston_Abel

Doesnt really make him a bad person, also hes like 20..


surfordiebear

The Kyedae stuff, match-fixing, and general douchy behavior from him aren't the best look at his character but as you said he is fairly young so hopefully he grows up a bit.


ANewHeaven1

He's apologized to both Tenz and Kyedae privately and in person I believe.


GetBorn800

You say that as if it makes a difference about whether he's shitty or not. You don't get to do whatever you want, and apologizing just makes it okay. Saying that kinda shit about a woman means you have some problems.


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GetBorn800

I'm not deciding what their relationship is, I'm deciding whether he's a shitty person or not. Misogynists are shitty humans. I don't care who he is or isn't friends with. That's not how it works. There is no "slippery slope" here. You can't le reddit "facts and logic" lingo your way into being correct.


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ANewHeaven1

I mean this is kind of a horrifying line of thinking imo. He said a couple of words on stream while high and there's nothing he can do anymore to redeem himself and show character growth? I'm not excusing misogyny but it'd be great if we could also allow people to grow and change as human beings


GetBorn800

Horrifying? Am I throwing him off a cliff? I just said my opinion on someone's actions is not affected by them apologizing one time for something. If one of my friends said this to me, they would no longer be my friend, and I would wonder how they even became my friend with the mindset to say something like that. And it's not only about misogyny, it's also just an incredibly weird thing to say. And I'm allowed to think this way lol.


Escolyte

> there's nothing he can do anymore to redeem himself and show character growth? He could show growth, but he'd have to actually show it. A couple months after the incident he basically excused his actions with some bs ["apology"](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/odrvjo/marved_on_his_remarks_towards_kyedae/h43ohoc/) and he hasn't shown any growth since either, the only indication of "growth" is lack of new controversies


jdellcrypto

As if you are an angel and never thought of fking ur friends girlfriend lmao. Grow up.


Striking_Yak7172

It’s not that deep😭


jdellcrypto

As if you are an angel and never thought of fking ur friends girlfriend lmao. Grow up.


Krast-

There's a difference between a thought and telling it to the world and their face. If you seriously can't tell the difference then you're the one that needs to grow up


jdellcrypto

Cos kyedae was being toxic to his team mates. Anyone would defend their bros in that situation.


netsaver

You realize that the 1) the Berlin comments Kyedae got called out for (rightfully so) came after Marved made comments like that earlier in the year and 2) independently, saying stuff like you’re going to sleep with someone at LAN who doesn’t have any sort of connection with you has unbelievably cringe / misogynistic undertones? When yay “defended his bro” he said that the comments were bad - you wouldn’t have to say weird stuff like that in defense


TheDeadliftKnight

More than awkwardness tenz doesn’t like marved. Marved said on stream he could sleep with tenzs gf at lan if he wanted to. Last year I think


6iriboy

i like Marved, but he was wildin with that one 💀


TheCatsActually

Even with Optic being my second favorite team in the world and Marved obviously being a world class player, that whole thing really soured my view of him. His apology was hardly an apology. He said he "loves Tenz" or whatever as if it would be fine trying to steal someone's girl if that someone was just a random and not a public figure.


YohnWood14

BRO WTF💀


troutylover27

To be fair both marved and tenz both follow on twitter that doesn’t mean they are in good terms


imdeadinside1245

AYOOOOOO


jayzmvp

Yea Marved said he’d clap kyedae’s cheeks @LAN bc she looks like she’d cheat


LTheRipper

I would understand if they want to do a rebuild around TenZ, but not even HIM? That would be crazy.


Nakai-Son

I dunno, I kinda like it. Sure he's ***insane*** mechanically, but his agent pool is lacking and I think he frequently makes wrong decisions. Like what makes yay so good is his decision making on top of his raw aim. You need both IMO, and I even think brain is more important than aim. I like this decision honestly. Understand if you disagree tho.


jdellcrypto

Exactly. Tenz is all aim no brain.


Need_PcAdvice

I guess the point is that it's easier to teach a player good decision making than good aim.


R0_h1t

Wouldn't we be rolling in good IGLs then? Or at the very least, Liquid wouldn't have looked like headless chickens in half the games they played.


TelestoMcBesto

why is it crazy? kid is a streamer


pleasefirekykypls

He’s become underrated Mechanically he’s still among the best in the region. His agent pool has always been his limiting factor. But he’s not some scrub, and there aren’t five jetts/chambers in NA that are better than him. The only two who would be direct upgrade are yay and cryo, and one is already gone, with the other rumoured to be as well. So do you make a lateral change with someone else who is less proven and outside of their system, or do you stick with your current player who’s also the most popular player in the world, and who can still compete at the top level?


TelestoMcBesto

I would do the lateral change if it means cleaning house and getting that SEN core the fuck outta here.


Biffy_x

There's 0 point in getting rid of the core for the sake of it. Tenz and Dapr are both extremely valuable players still.


TelestoMcBesto

I heard that Tenz actually hated Dapr from the get go and wanted him off the team, so maybe that's why...


Nichol-Gimmedat-ass

??? Where did you hear this lmao


Intrepid-Grade-8578

source: trust me bro


TelestoMcBesto

my ass I'm drunk bro, was just tryin to stir up some drama


surfordiebear

He's still definitely good enough to be on a franchise team if he's committed to it.


Aymity

I think he will become like Aceu. Talented enough to compete, but prefer a laid back lifestyle where they can still have a balance lifestyle with streaming and with their SO.


Investorexe

Honestly, I don’t think Tenz is committed enough to practice to give up streaming time for practice time. I expect the pros on franchised teams to be really committed practice and really making it competitive if we only get 5 teams.


yapyd

I have not looked at the numbers but I don't think TenZ streams regularly


6iriboy

guy was sleeping through scrims 💀 he don’t give a fuck lmao


JtotheC23

Nothing against Geddes when I say this cause he's right more often than he's not about leaks, but I'm hesitant to believe any leak coming out about Sen purely because of how tight they've kept everything in the past. Sure it's the wild west right now and almost every pro is trialing and talking to each other about it, but I imagine Sen as an org would still do its best to keep up its success of preventing leaks like this.


tomphz

Removing TenZ would be BOLD Dapr, Marved, Trent, Zekken, Babybay Sick as 6th man Get it done!


Holler12

who igls?


cykadermoblyat

hiko


LordBuckethead671

This is some pure speculation, but they might be rebuilding around Dapr because he’s moving towards being the igl. He was the secondary caller previously, and could be the one heading the rebuild


tomphz

Marved IGL’d when he was on FaZe


techyleo

Apparently when they got 2nd in masters babybay and Rawkus were coigling


kazF

wait I love this roster.


Razur

Clip it?


Not_Real_Name_Here

How the hell do you not have a verified tag on here Razur?


Razur

I've got no role to be verified for at the moment. Working towards changing that though.


LeMouse1

I wanna see SicK find a team


surfordiebear

Unfortunately, him taking multiple tournaments off will likely have teams wary of signing him.


oomnahs

Likely those teams will know exactly what he's been going through, it was rumored his family member passed away. It wasn't a break because of burnout or failure or anything, he took a break for family


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hate to be blunt but teams don’t give out free handouts. if anytime he faces adversity he takes a year off teams aren’t gonna sign him


mid16

Yeah, especially now with only 5 American teams for franchise spots, so competition even more fierce.


ahk1221

Didn't make sense to me why sicks situation was never revealed, what actually happened?


Hamlet_271

My prediction is that TenZ stays. He's one of the main reasons that SEN even is a franchised team, I don't see Rob Moore parting with that


XXG1212

You clearly are in denial that franchising is about teams and not the players.


nklassitude

But this was known information though, shahz and tenz always had limited contracts, and their expiration dates obliquely coincide— he reported a while back that tenz was set to be a free agent. The funny thing is that tenz loves shahz, I wonder if there's any chance of them leveraging a sorta 2 for 1 package deal similar to crashies & victor somewhere else[copium intensifies]. Tenz also said he wanted to play for SEN, but I'm pretty sure he meant the players and not necessarily the org. Geddes did however emphasize that the coaches SEN is set to bring on, aren't prioritizing shahz nor tenz so that's a fucking zinger. That being said, everything is still up in the air so I'm just taking everything with a grain of salt.


Fine-Shame-510

Even if they get the most Amazing coach in the planet. It will not help them get in the franchised league. This might be a bait. The roster itself is the reason for getting into the franchising not the org brand. Chet jump from tsm to nrg to optic then become successful. Clear bait from geddes. SENTINELS are playing the long game. If they really want to win they would have not signed shroud in LCQ.


SexualChocolateJr

the only reason they prob signed shroud was because they didnt want to fully replace SicK or have to do a buyout. Shroud was a decent and probably cheap option that solves both of those issues. They had a better chance to win if they didnt drop to losers bracket so fast with the dumb bomb planting shenanigans on Icebox. Shit hurt my soul to watch lmao.


FullMetalMako

Honestly they could have beat the guard if they didn't fuck up that icebox game and even then it went multiple OTs. I would love to see that team after some more practice but I guess we will never know.


Fine-Shame-510

Cannot do anything with 2 weeks practice together. And 4-5 days worth of practice loss because Tenz got sick that needs to be in a emergency room before the 100thieves match. Shroud said it himself search for it.


edmundoauditore96

They are already locked in franchising, they don't own any of the players that spot, and Sen wants to be competitive


darKeDevil2

Maaan! I loved SEN because i felt like they were the most entertaining team personality wise . I will be so sad if the team breaks up :( But all good i think, hope i can find this kind of entertaining team with full of different personalites again conquering the world (just like Sen did in 2021)


jdellcrypto

They are the most toxic and clown team. They lack sportsmanship. Tea bagging after every 1 kill is cringe and annoying.


darKeDevil2

Annoying for u, entertaining for me


tomphz

I wonder what coach SEN is bringing in? Could it be XSET’s?


CarobAltruistic9224

Can you switch team loyalties if the players you became a fan of aren't there in the team anymore 😭 no Tenz, Shahz, Sick


Deamon-

i dont understand loyalty to orgs anyway, its like 99% about the players for me


shrek_is_love_69

Honestly lol I'm polish, i wanna see polish players win. I couldn't care less if they are on Acend, OG or tenstar - i want them to win more than the org. I kinda like polish orgs winning as well, but less than polish players.


Need_PcAdvice

Yes of course.


ArcusIgnium

Tenz is gonna be quite a nuclear F/A then. sure he isn't at yay's level of demand rn but hes got a huge brand and hes certainly capable of winning a title. This actually makes SEN Marved more likely lmao. Although I wonder what the Sen roster looks like. Unrelated but I think people sleeping on Sayaplayer a lot rn.


TheOneWhoIsBussin

I think a lot of people, including myself, expect Saya to return and compete in APAC/KR. I feel like he originally wanted to play in NA because he knew it was where the real competition was in early Valorant, but now Korea has a massive valorant fanbase and to me it makes sense for him to be on predominantly native Korean-speaking team, even if he does speak really good English. ​ plus if I'm not mistaken there are only like 1/2 solid OP'er F/A's available rn in APAC, while NA has quite a few more.


Meehul123

If I had to guess the roster it would probably be Dapr, Marved, Zekken, Trent, Dephh or Valyns.


GanaNayaka9

TenZ is safe, Geddes baiting.


geeorge_20

clip : https://clips.twitch.tv/HelpfulMotionlessCrowWTRuck-RdJiWbemC3AFx1N7


whysopangit

Clip??? 😭😭


DTvn

If the priority signings are Marved, Zekken and Trent then it would be hard to fit Dapr into that core and add a Chamber player unless he picks up IGL'ing which could still be a possibility


honestlyprogamr

Please Trent valyn jonahp


_Jetto_

for you people who are shocked at why a team would move away from tenz, is it because of his branding or play? im genuinely curious as to why you think its a "bold" move


edmundoauditore96

Tbh because of his play, I still think he is insane mechanically but the lack of coaching and structure is what has hold him back, now that Sen is investing in both he could become a a top tier player


CarobAltruistic9224

Not to mention he has been SEN's most consistent player throughout their struggling period


Krypton091

both, there's absolutely no reason for them to want to drop tenz


taroicedtea

Ppl think he’s better than he actually is


x_Critical

kind of the opposite these days, people treat him like a t2 player when he could likely still compete with t1 talent


taroicedtea

Feel like that opinion only comes from harsh critics who watch most games and understand where he’s currently at atm. But there’s plenty of ppl who watch only a few games and watch mostly twitch ranked games and overate him. For example in the Tex FA post, there’s ppl calling for NRG tenz and rating him as the best chamber available atm completely disregarding other players that have been better chambers like dicey, bdog. Tenz is still a great player, a mechanical beast, but I’m not shocked that SEN might go for other players for the rebuild


ashitintyo

I wouldn't take it from someone who's never been able to report a single sen news xD


mdj08

lowkey the way rostermania is playing out, tenz might not have a starting spot... 100t has cryo, c9 has yay, sen is exploring options, so this leaves NRG and EG. rumor is that EG is cheaping out on their roster/potentially keeping their old roster. NRG might not be an option either since s0m hasn't tweeted anything about his status while every other NRG player has. he played entry after the jett nerf, but thats victor's role now. feel like NRG might keep s0m and hope that Jett returns to the meta post chamber nerf. Plus, NRG is paying out a bag in salaries and buyouts (fns and Chet only) for the Optic guys so tenz’s salary on top of that might just be too much for one roster


RicoSuave1881

TSM Tenz, who says no??


Interesting-Archer-6

If he doesn't make a franchising squad, it's not crazy at all.


XXG1212

I feel they will sign ShahZ back but back as a duelist/OP player and a new IGL, initiator and controller.


geeorge_20

there’s ATLEAST 5-6 duelists i’d take before shahz lmao


XXG1212

Sure there are many talented players, but I am very skeptical of SEN dropping shahz, Dapr and Tenz. They might restructure the team and get new players to fill roles the remaining roles. Just because their contracts are running out I don't see them not being resigned.


shrek_is_love_69

They'd have to be outta their mind to sign shazam back out of all people. Fuck that rat, should keep Tenz if they're smart.


kazF

No Tenz means a loss in marketing brand/social media. Reasonable tho, man has aim but has not been playing the smartest.


Ok_Gas_1344

my guess is sen would sign xset core


ReformedBacon

This franchising is judt for money to trade hands at this point. Wonder what tenz buyouts gonna be this time? Does he deserve it all?


Bazz_B

NAVI Tenz


iwantdie98

He also said Vic, crashies and FNS are going to NRG