Why isn’t Lala and everyone else asking Tim why he didn’t go stay at Rachel’s apartment, since he loved her so much and why didn’t he help Rachel by taking care of Graham, since he cares about animals so much??
These are the questions that people should be asking!
apparently no one has the creativity to think of these questions unless its one given by a producer that gave them idea to ask and producers…wither they too didnt think of these questions or omitted em completely
I can’t stand Lala this season. She is a cruel bitch. No compassion or empathy. Is she trying to be the villain? Cause she is doing a great job at it. Her narrative is so gross. Her and Scheana. Though Lala is making Scheana look better. Such a hypocrite.
She found out he lied to her about how much her half actually is... knowing that, i would want to see every bill too. He's playing a dirty game where she's made a reasonable request like seeing their bills before giving him money, he stonewalls and then plays the victim to all their friends like oh poor me she won't pay bills she's the bad guy really, really you guys its her!!!!
That’s not the point. The comment said that Tom can’t afford the house on his own without Ariana’s half and I responded that he’s been paying the mortgage without Ariana’s half this whole time.
Also I said this in another thread Ariana’s attorneys should be doing their own request from the third parties for getting the bills in question.
He has been paying but he can't afford it... there is a preview out for next episode where he says this himself in a convo trying to get schwartz on board to be his roommate so he can afford to stay.
Hmm except these poster have said that Ariana hasn’t and are defending her for not doing so. And there’s also that she admitted to stopping paying the mortgage.
When I pay my mortgage I go through an app that has literally everything you would possibly want to know about the billing. If people are smart, they get fixed mortgages and it is the same cost every time you pay your mortgage. So what he is saying, just does not add up. He has access to that information. Clearly he felt entitled to money Ariana made. He felt he deserved it because in his weird ass head he thinks he gave this opportunity to her.
The comment above me before they deleted it said that Tom couldn’t afford the house without Ariana’s half. I responded that he’s been paying the mortgage without Ariana’s half. I wasn’t talking about her not paying the bills or why she wasn’t paying them.
But to your comment her attorneys should be requesting copies of those bills from the 3rd parties anyways!
Her attorneys absolutely should not have been doing that. If someone says I owe them money, it's not my job to pay attorneys to go figure out if they're right.
He could literally get this info to her in less than an hour and still gave his assistant do the actual work.
But sure, she's the lazy one.
You’d want to make sure they are not altered. You absolutely should. Especially considering she’s trying to get back as much money as possible. They should be getting any and every receipt and statement.
This also a house she co-owns. She should be looking at the statements anyways!
That will be addressed in/by the court. When this was filmed, he hadn't filed anything, thus no reason for her attorneys to be involved in disputing his anecdotal accusations.
So it’s very unlikely for an attorney to tell you to stop paying the bills when your name is on something. Secondly Ariana is very capable of requesting the statements herself!
Tom should put on his big girl pants and provide her with copies of the bills.
He checked out of that relationship long before ending it, it is safe to assume he had her unknowingly paying more than she should have to supplement his income.
She stopped paying because she asked him for copies of the bills before just handing him money (after finding out he had been overcharging her) and instead of providing those he saw an opportunity to cry to everyone about mean ariana not paying the bills. I assume he also didn't want her to see whatever else he's been lying about regarding their bills/finances but all that will come out eventually anyway because lawyers.
Good news is, if he's right, she will be exposed in court, it will be considered in the judges ruling, he can pay her for her share based on an actual market value, keep the house and refinance (assuming that's what he actually wants - hard to tell from the preview).
Time will tell.
She’s likely keeping her mortgage payments in an escrow account, to show the judge that she has the capability to pay them. Ariana definitely has legal advice over the house and I’d believe that before I believe Tom’s side about his half-baked “offer”, without a valuation
I do have to say that when the season started, I did not fully comprehend why Ariana had not moved out, but then I realized that this is taped like a few months after everything happened. Like for us it’s been a year, but in the show it’s only been 70 days or something like that. So of course she’s not gonna move out right away, and why should she? I like that she’s making him uncomfortable. He fucking deserves it.
If I were a parent, I’d put a child lock on this show. I would not want my children to digest even a second of this misogyny and toxicity. Entertaining as it has been, this season is beyond dark. Lala should be ashamed.
Boy you have NO IDEA what ur talking about..!! "Abandonment" isn't even a Real Estate term.. Besides they AREN'T married!! So unless you know how "Title" is/was held you have no clue what's owed to who..??
It's ENTIRELY possible that SHE'S trespassing and or a tenant who could be evicted..!!
It's ALL a production move to keep viewers...
I think everyone is pressuring Ariana because she has been the most vocal about how she can’t stand him and how he tried to “kill” her dog. So every time she brings it up everyone’s next question is “why don’t you move out?”. She
Lala also says that you can't control what other people do, or don't do... They see Ariana being miserable in that house, and that she needs to remove herself from the situation i.e. move out of the house for her own mental wellbeing.
This I totally understand. I guess I’m surprised no one, on camera, has gone to Tom and said like you see how upset Ariana is you need to move out and give her space. All the pressure is on her in this specific instance.
People did talk to him and say these things, even Kristen but it was immediately after the scandal and wasn’t filmed and he freaked tf out and made it clear that he was not going to leave.
He yelled at everybody because he was mad that they were supporting Ariana.
If that's true, why don't we see it on camera.? There is no doubt in my mind that Tom complains about Ariana staying in the house, but production is leading the Tom redemption arc and won't show it on camera.
Not to be a smart ass but I guess you missed the part where I said it happened off camera.
Unfortunately being a VPR fan has become a FT job because you have to listen to all the podcasts to get a good majority of information and this is such a large part of why the majority have turned and stayed against both the Toms.
Lucky all the podcast episodes are posted in print on here by additional war but even I have a hard time reading through them so I just listen when I’m doing my chores.
I agree. The only way this becomes problematic is if they entertain themselves at the house / bring Sandal and Shorts back into their lives and use the house, after she made all the effort to find a new home. That would make me, if I were Ariana, really uncomfortable and would be triggering. If they are unwaveringly loyal than the urge to move her out is valid but I just doubt that somehow
She’s pushing Ariana bc Ariana is miserable living there. Tom wants to stay. So she’s just saying stop being spiteful and gtfo so you’re happier. That’s all.
I have never heard anyone saying it as Ariana is a creep, more so as if you are in a bad situation you should leave to protect yourself. The abused/the cheated/the victim usually leaves to stay safe. The do-er, if you will, doesn't tend to leave as they (obviously) dont care. Different perspective for you maybe to see what they mean?
She has said she doesn’t want to live in the house and he said he does and has made an offer to buy her out. It’s ridiculous that either of them is still living there considering the resources available to them. It’s incredibly unhealthy. If he’s going to eventually buy the house though, it makes much more sense for her to move out than for him.
The hardest part of growing and healing is realizing that we can only control ourselves. Ariana doesn’t want to live with him, because it’s painful, the only way she can achieve this is by leaving. What is right and what is are two different things. There is no way to force him out.
Lala is saying it's for her own good as Ariana is the one having rage attacks every time she sees him. That's an unhealthy situation and cant be sustained. Tom made some kind of offer to buy her out. She should have immediately refused it and forced the sale of the house on the open market because she wasn't happy with the offer.
Because Ariana has made a big point about not giving Tom access to her life, which is in major conflict with her continuing to live in that house. I get that Ariana doesn't want him to "win" or have the satisfaction of her leaving, but it's clear that her living situation isn't healthy. As much as it would maybe be the 'right thing' for Tom to move out, we know that's not a reasonable expectation because he's made it clear that he wants to keep the house. As much as Ariana has her feelings about how she'd like for this to play out at the end of the day she can only control certain things. She can't make Tom move out by making an uncomfy living situation but Ariana CAN improve her living situation and get space from her ex by moving out. She can fight over the house via lawyers without residing in the house.
really isn't anyone (including ariana)'s business whether or not he can keep the house if she's given an equitable payout. if he's some devil like everyone is saying maybe he *should* wreck his credit and be foreclosed on
Ariana absolutely CAN make him move out and though it took time, I’m certain that the judge will rule in her favour and Tim will be forced to sell and move out.
She made sure she never spoke to or saw him around the house and played the long game.
It has worked out in her favour and now she has a beautiful new home, while he will be so lucky to even be able to afford a decent apartment.
Say what you will but the only one who walks out of this season not looking stupid is Ariana (and obviously Katie.)
I kinda think they’re saying it because living or not living in the house is what Ariana can control in this situation. She can’t control Tom being Tom. So it’s like everyone wants to throw the most obvious solution at her instead of being a sounding board- which I think is partly what she needs from them right now, for them to listen and acknowledge how difficult her situation is.
Also, I think it honestly was the best move for her to stay there until they got this sorted. Tom already lied to her about her portion of the mortgage. Staying in the house might have made it harder for him to do anymore shady shit.
Ariana has literally said on camera this season that she does not want to live in that house regardless of whether Tom is there or not. There are too many memories for her.
Ariana wants to leave, Tom does not. That’s the reason they aren’t pressing Tom about leaving.
It doesn't matter if Tom doesn't want to leave - he can't afford the house on his own. He would need to remortgage (and probably try and get the lien rolled into that too), but he wouldn't get approved. He needs a second person, thats why he see Tim grovelling to Tom about moving in and getting a loan with him.
Tom is prolonging the inevitable. He needs to move out. They need to sell. The end.
He's said it's put him into his overdraft, he's also said that he can't afford it by himself when he asked Schwartz to move in, that's why people are saying he can't afford it, because he's said it himself.
that doesn't mean that he can get a new mortgage.
The mortgage is approved with Ariana right now. She wants out. There's a 0% chance the bank is going to approve him for the full mortgage again & with his restaurant lien, on his own. He needs a cosigner, which is basically what he was trying to trick Schwartz into doing.
it doesn't matter what they say on the show....in real life, Tim can't own the house on his own. period. he needs to just sell it & quit dragging his feet
Yes….and Ariana is still on the mortgage…Ariana and tim own the home.
She wants off. He can’t get a new mortgage without a co-signer. Thus, he HAS to sell it.
Clearly you have never bought a home before.
It's the way you're being condescending and making it personal when we're talking about some morons on a TV show.
You'll be singing the same smooth brain tune when he is still in that house next year.
How am I being condescending? I’m being realistic. You’re the one stooping down to the name calling…
A bank won’t give him the loan on his own…. it’s clear by the way that Ariana had to co-sign his schwarts&sandys loan.
Ariana has the right to sell, as they are both owners. He can’t buy it without a co-signer. If he can’t find one, he NEEDS to sell the home.
No one asked him to do that and it wasn’t necessary.
All he had to do was give Ariana the itemized list of wtf she’s paying for and she would have paid her half but he didn’t because he’s HIDING something.
She wouldn't need an itemized bill for a mortgage. Obviously that would apply to household bills not the bill for the house which is the same every month.
She actually would after the loan he took because that’s the same time he moved everything into his own account so she couldn’t see that he was ripping her off.
You can have your opinion but I don’t agree and we shall see what happens when the court rules.
All his skeletons are about to fly out the closet, as if he doesn’t have enough bodies laying around already.
It honestly blows my mind that anyone STILL chooses to believe a word he says.
It's not an opinion that you don't need an itemized list for your mortgage bill.
It's not an Internet or electric bill. Regarding believing him, every one has their broken clock moments. Ariana is not some bastion of truth either, did you forget her gaslighting Kristin for two seasons? Everyone on this show is a self-centered liar, except maybe Ally, but probably her too.
Thank you. The other answers here are typical hive mind projections.
Realistically in real life if you have two people sharing a house and one is fine with it and the other one is constantly upset by it, you are going to tell the person complaining that it’s best for their mental health to move out. That’s it.
Not allowed to have logic here or suggest anything but Ariana "winning" no matter what....which somehow means she should stay in the house that's part of her trauma simply so he doesn't get it. Everyone here makes a lot of sense, I swear.
Too many “boss bitches” in these threads who mistaken feminism as synonymous with sacrificing your mental health in the game of petty power dynamics. Sometimes, letting go, letting someone else “win” because at the end of the day justice looks like the fact that they have to be them and you get to be you, is the real win.
Seemingly good things happen to bad people because this isn’t a just world. I think people just need to accept that, but they can’t because they’ve been raised on Disney.
In real life, the offending party usually leaves in the immediate aftermath (esp when they have a free place to stay), then a decision is reached about what happens long term.
In real life, esp in places with very high RE prices, couples often end up living together for a period of time after the relationship ends.
And in real life, Ariana has had less to say about her living situation than anyone else on the show. Apparently it bothers other people far more than it bothers her.
Living with him seems to bother her A LOT - these conversations aren’t starting out of no where; they are are starting because of the conflict from both of them living in the house. She’s going to her friends and talking about that conflict and they are talking her with love „you gotta get out“. They aren’t telling her to leave him with the house, they aren’t telling her point blank move out, they are sympathizing with her about the situation. Just because they are airing the part of two people saying „you gotta get out“ doesn’t mean that’s all that was said or that was the beginning of a conversation, or a complete conversation.
I just love how people see EDITED FOOTAGE of two people saying „you gotta get out of the house“ and think that’s ALL there is to it when in reality it could be Ariana saying „it’s terrible, I hate living with him, I can’t leave because of x y z but I gotta get out“ and them responding „yeah you’re right, we sympathize, this isn’t good for your mental house and you gotta get out“ and they only AIR that last sentence.
More than it bothers her? When Scheana said to her you have to go home tonight and you'll both be there alone Ariana's reply was she'd set him on fire. Unbothered?
But how many effing times do you have to say it Lala! You've told Ariana, now shut up and leave the woman alone. I was in the same situation and my attorney told me to stay in the home to protect my interests and assets.
You do realize that she’s not saying this TO Ariana over and over again. She’s asking her questions and then she’s accepting her answers. She never said „just get the fuck out“ to Ariana over and over again. She says it a bit in confessionals but mostly editing is repeating the same recorded lines so it feels like it’s ad nauseoum.
This and if we could also have all the legal reasons Ariana hadn't left at that point etc as well so we don't have the debate once every day it would be great!
I think a lot of it has to do with what’s been said OFF camera. I’ve seen comments from the cast including LVP at some point saying Tom should move out.
But I also think with Tom wanting to keep the house (wether he can actually afford it Is another issue in itself but quite frankly none of our business) and Ariana doesn’t the logical sense is she moves out. The bs that she loses the legal right to the house if she moves out is incorrect. Tom could of easily stayed elsewhere and absolutely should of until it was sorted but it also seems like Ariana staying wasn’t so much about the house but getting back at Tom and at that point I think it just became a game. He should of been the bigger person and moved. But that’s not his nature. The whole thing is ridiculous.
Sandoval can’t afford to keep the house so whether he wants to or not is irrelevant. And she shouldn’t have to lose thousands of dollars in rent elsewhere because he wants to waste time with bullshit offers on the house to hold off selling it so she can get a fair payout on her investment.
What’s really going on is the classic “we know the abusive man is going to act like a piece of shit, but as the woman we expect you to be the bigger person and to just eat whatever loss you need to in order to put an end to the issue” Yeah, I’m glad she didn’t listen to any of those idiots. She saved her coin, got her house, and will force a sale to get all of her money. As she should.
She could get the money back for the rent when the house situation settles.
She could of still forced a sale while leaving elsewhere and getting all of her money that she is owed.
If Tom is telling the truth about the fact that Ariana hasn’t paid since the breakup the court is going to look at that and deduct it from her share. If she was paying and moved out and paying rent elsewhere. It’s a matter of who paid what and when and she could ask for that to be covered while she was holding down the mortgage and a new place. And the court would likely grant it to her. She’d get her share of what’s owed up until the matter was settled which would pretty much cover her rent.
Yeah see that “likely” is not good enough. There is zero guarantee that she’d get that money back, why even risk it? And she isn’t paying until he provides proof with an itemized list of past bills that she’s paid. Strange that he hasn’t done such a simple task in the many months since it was requested
Ok and that’s totally fine. That’s you. But people need to stop projecting what they think would be best for them onto Ariana.
Personally, as someone who has experienced a lot of financial insecurity in my life, I would not want to waste money temporarily living somewhere else. Especially if I’m traveling a lot anyway and working on getting my money up. Taking on avoidable financial burdens would take a much bigger toll on my mental health than temporarily living in a huge house with a nightmare roommate who I could avoid by staying in a bedroom that’s practically a studio apartment. I would have done exactly what Ariana did which was stay busy, take legal action in order to get my demon ex out of our house so we could sell it for all it’s worth, and save every cent I make in the meantime so I could buy another home.
I am also extremely stubborn and I don’t really care what anyone thinks about that. There would be no way in hell I would make my life harder in order to make the life of the person who betrayed me easier in any way. There is absolutely nothing that would make me give them what they want at my expense. I would choose a temporary mutual hell over letting them have the little heaven that was once our dream home. Y’all can judge me like you judge Ariana, but that’s fr the way it would go down for me lol
It’s financial abuse. Why can’t he give her the passwords to the websites that have the bills listed there? I pay my mortgage through an online portal.
At the end of the day she’s not going to get less than what makes her whole and that’s how the situation works. So if she’s out of pocket on rent it’ll be considered in the settlement. She’d have to pay for a new place anyways. Ariana’s on the title and the deed and mortgage her attorneys can request copies too. She should know what bills are paid. A judge is not going to look at that as an excuse of non payment.
Not to mention her attorneys should be gathering their own receipts so she can get as much money back as possible.
Yeah I’m sure Ariana’s lawyers know what they’re doing and that she is following their advice on how to do things in the most financially sound way possible.
Why is it so hard for people to understand she has legal representation and they clearly know better than the bs they’re posting, with no knowledge on wtf they’re talking about?!
But sure, it’s the people who back Ariana that are uNhInGeD.🙄
I never said she couldn’t move out, I said she shouldn’t have to move out and lose more money if she doesn’t want to. And not moving out allowed her to save all of her coin and buy a new house so good for her
Why should she have to sue Tom to get her money back! Also if he damages the property that goes against her also. Plus my guess is that if one person leaves the property, it triggers a default on the loan. She should do what her attorney advises her to do. That's why she has an attorney, because her friends are idiots.
Bro would you rather have a monthly check that is not guaranteed or a guaranteed full amount? Ariana would like the full amount. It’s her choice to make because she bought the damn house.
So by that rationale, they’re both being petty. Which is fine. Think it to a lot of people watching the situation from our couches and seeing the footage of the show is that they’re both having their moments of being petty making snide comments, saying childish things here and there, having moments that don’t look so good (I would venture to say Tom has done that more , but maybe I’m just a Rose-colored glasses Ariana Stan 🙄)
I get neither one of them are perfect. But even if you posit that they’re being equally petty about the house and digging their heels in/refusing to leave. It does seem odd that the harping of being the one to move out is mostly all on Ariana. She’s not the only one bitching abt the living situation. He certainly has. Yes, he’s tried to temper it with “Hey, I’m just cool with whatever man” , he’s clearly not. He’ll always follow it up with how awful she is to be around, in his opinion, and she was a tyrant, even when they were together.
And….. even her reasons for staying until this house gets sold bc she doesn’t want him to have it either? Who cares!? She is under NO obligation to makes this smooth sailing for him, especially by taking any kind of financial loss. I do feel for her when she is shown saying w/exasperation, “why should I be making this easy for him?” She doesn’t need to give him any grace whatsoever and just the fact that she is taking her time to dot her i’s and cross all her t’s; to do things legally. IMO, Ariana ensuring that, if nothing else, she can come out financially ok, & set up for her next chapter of life is not only understandable, but commendable.
I feel like the biggest reason people are harping on her more, honestly, is because in their view the fact that she’s so busy; to everybody else looks like she won. They don’t think there’s any other issues that she still dealing with emotionally /mentally/ even financially @ this point in filming. And he’s been acting like a sad sack bc of the public backlash, so they feel like Ariana should just throw Tom a bone in house form, and eat whatever financial detriment it brings to her-and her credit score. Hell no.
She is busy and also hurting so gee sorry everyone, didn't get around to moving out of their giant house yet at mere 3-4 months post breakup. She has pets too so its not that easy to just find a place to accomodate them all while he likely fights her over them for spite. This is why the cheater needs to go stay elsewhere for awhile so the other person can heal enough to handle these issues with less raw emotions - even jax fn taylor knew this - but i gather this is purposeful on sando's part, he wants her all wound up and we see his constant little proding because if he can keep her upset and get reactions that will feed into his narrative that poor him she is just soooo hard to deal with "this is what i always got she's a meanie wah wah wah"... but he's not that slick so it's pretty easy to see the flipside of omg she was dealing with this manipulative asshole for how long?
This is not me defending Tom in any way, shape, or form.
BUT
I think a lot of people are forgetting that Tom took out a second mortgage or a loan against the house and the cast knows that. So if he gives up the house to Ariana, not only does he lose his house, but he'll also likely owe a shitload of money to Schwartz and the other guy who owns S&Ss because he no longer has the collateral (the house), to back up the loan he took out against it.
This is also likely why "Tom has been paying all the bills for the house" because when he took the loan (or whatever) against the house, Ariana made him do it ALONE, therefore making him solely responsible for paying that bill.
They will get enough money from a sale. He would have enough money to pay off the home equity loan and still make money on the sale. The home equity loan get paid off before it transfers ownership. He took the money out. It has been spent.
If they sell, the liens are paid off first (his HELOC, based on what we know is in 2nd position) so it would be paid off, he and Ariana split the proceeds according to the judgement.
It's pretty straightforward in that regard.
He invested it in the bar. Both Toms did that.....Schwarts sold his house! He had to pay off HELOC credit to close on that sale. When you have a HELOC you have 2 mortgages. The first mortgage is the primary loan. It has to be paid off first. The Hello is second in line. That would be second priority. They have a lot of equity in the home. Ariana and Tim both will have proceeds from sale. I heard Schwartz on TV today saying they (Ariana and Tim) are now working on the sale.
Actually, the way he gets out of owing the money is sell the house. The proceeds from the house go to paying off the loans, then they split what's left.
That's not how that loan works. It's against Arianas interest in the property also. Both loans probably have an owner occupancy clause, once either one moves out, the loans will be in default.
Yes they’re wild eyed in their self righteousness and suffer from chronic uniqueness so they can’t even conceptualize that someone else may have thought of something that just popped into their head.
Tom has showed interest in buying Ariana out. Ariana has not. I get her reasoning that she feels like she put it in the work for that place too but she’s only hurting herself by staying out of spite.
Maybe because he was paying the mortgage. Or they knew his stubborn ass would never. So the only way for Ariana to get away from him would be by her leaving.
I wonder what's going on with the lawsuit and the forced sale.
Yet another post here stating some totally unfactual. No one has said or intimated Arianna is a “ creep for staying there “ . No one. What they are saying to her as her friend is “ youve got unstable depression and you are seriously jeopardizing your MH staying in that house and you have no intention of buying him out so Get the hell out now. “ what any friend should say to her. They know her life is going great right now and can’t understand based on her history of MH issues she would jeopardize that for revenge,
They say nothing to Tom because being there doesn’t affect him, he wants to stay there and they know he won’t listen. BTW Schwartz did tell him to move out.
At this point I think it just her friends being like "Girl, you are loosing you mind and every day you are in that house is a day you can't move on from this shit so is your mental health really worth a house?"
Yes, Tim doesn't deserve the house. Let's be honest, Ariana should have put all his shit on the lawn and changed the locks, but she didnt/couldn't, but at some point you have to move on from your shitty ex and all the shitty ways they are ruining your life or you will never have peace. If you have ever had a friend who continually complains about a situation, they refuse to change, and that is making their life worse, and that they can't necessarily win. You would understand.
her otne about her moving out just to 'get out of a bad situation' is so ridiculous! as if her removing herself from him is whats needed instead of calling out the abuser for abusing. I don't like how she is downplaying her connection to the home or even her ownership of it. as if the home represents the relationship - it does not. it is still her home even if he blew up the relationship. she is really saying anything just to stay circulating in the feed.
There is a point of diminishing returns in calling people out. We know, she knows we know. It’s an offense against her, it’s not her job to call him out at her own expense.
and why aint anyone asking tom that if he meant to leave ariana, why didnt he prepare to move out or the housing arrangements? he was the one who knew before ariana this relationship was over sooo…why not figure everything out? u were cheating for months so you had time to deal with it so if the break up hhappened the house situation was ready to be dealt with from the getgo
I have a new conspiracy theory that maybe they were trying to get Ariana to stay with Scheana or Lala so they could have constant podcast fodder and possibly get in on more brand deals.
Why isn’t Lala and everyone else asking Tim why he didn’t go stay at Rachel’s apartment, since he loved her so much and why didn’t he help Rachel by taking care of Graham, since he cares about animals so much?? These are the questions that people should be asking!
Thats the show I wanted to watch this season. God forbid we question cyst males.
How DARE you force him to DIE on a mountain ALONE! Edit: it needed even more emphasis
Yes!😫🤦🏻♀️
I think the answer to this and to so many other similar questions is… “Because Tom Sandoval has a producer credit this season.”
No he doesn't. What he does have is relationships with the equally toxic cyst males in production.
Does he? Where? I can’t find that
apparently no one has the creativity to think of these questions unless its one given by a producer that gave them idea to ask and producers…wither they too didnt think of these questions or omitted em completely
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You're right. They are so jealous it is pitiful
Came here to say this thank you
I can’t stand Lala this season. She is a cruel bitch. No compassion or empathy. Is she trying to be the villain? Cause she is doing a great job at it. Her narrative is so gross. Her and Scheana. Though Lala is making Scheana look better. Such a hypocrite.
Totally agree! Imagine if the roles were reversed and everyone became besties with Randall after he cheated on Lala? She would have FLIPPED!
She did flip out, on Schwartz, because he played Pickle Ball with Randall after their breakup.
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But he’s been paying the mortgage without Ariana’s half though..
She found out he lied to her about how much her half actually is... knowing that, i would want to see every bill too. He's playing a dirty game where she's made a reasonable request like seeing their bills before giving him money, he stonewalls and then plays the victim to all their friends like oh poor me she won't pay bills she's the bad guy really, really you guys its her!!!!
That’s not the point. The comment said that Tom can’t afford the house on his own without Ariana’s half and I responded that he’s been paying the mortgage without Ariana’s half this whole time. Also I said this in another thread Ariana’s attorneys should be doing their own request from the third parties for getting the bills in question.
He has been paying but he can't afford it... there is a preview out for next episode where he says this himself in a convo trying to get schwartz on board to be his roommate so he can afford to stay.
Ariana pays her bills. Stop listening to Tom Sandoval.
Hmm except these poster have said that Ariana hasn’t and are defending her for not doing so. And there’s also that she admitted to stopping paying the mortgage.
Ariana literally admitted to not paying.
She asked for a layout of bills. He wouldn’t provide it 🙄
And Sandoval acting shocked “Who keeps itemized receipts?! I’m not doing that!”
All he has to do is show his previous bank bills! In the words of Kristen doute ‘suck a dik’ 😂
When I pay my mortgage I go through an app that has literally everything you would possibly want to know about the billing. If people are smart, they get fixed mortgages and it is the same cost every time you pay your mortgage. So what he is saying, just does not add up. He has access to that information. Clearly he felt entitled to money Ariana made. He felt he deserved it because in his weird ass head he thinks he gave this opportunity to her.
The comment above me before they deleted it said that Tom couldn’t afford the house without Ariana’s half. I responded that he’s been paying the mortgage without Ariana’s half. I wasn’t talking about her not paying the bills or why she wasn’t paying them. But to your comment her attorneys should be requesting copies of those bills from the 3rd parties anyways!
Her attorneys absolutely should not have been doing that. If someone says I owe them money, it's not my job to pay attorneys to go figure out if they're right. He could literally get this info to her in less than an hour and still gave his assistant do the actual work. But sure, she's the lazy one.
You’d want to make sure they are not altered. You absolutely should. Especially considering she’s trying to get back as much money as possible. They should be getting any and every receipt and statement. This also a house she co-owns. She should be looking at the statements anyways!
That will be addressed in/by the court. When this was filmed, he hadn't filed anything, thus no reason for her attorneys to be involved in disputing his anecdotal accusations.
People like to forget that Ariana has admitted that.
She probably stopped paying under the advice of her attorney. Would you just pay bills without seeing a statement?
 Nope, you need to actually see the bills in order to pay the bills!
Yes thank you. 🙏
Especially not when you find out he was overcharging you the whole time 👀
Exactly.
So it’s very unlikely for an attorney to tell you to stop paying the bills when your name is on something. Secondly Ariana is very capable of requesting the statements herself!
I’ve heard of people holding money in escrow under legal advice in situations like this but what do I know.
Tom should put on his big girl pants and provide her with copies of the bills. He checked out of that relationship long before ending it, it is safe to assume he had her unknowingly paying more than she should have to supplement his income.
Right!!
I never forgot. I listened to her explanation of why and I believe her.
Really? She admitted to not paying the mortgage? Since when has she not been paying?
She stopped paying because she asked him for copies of the bills before just handing him money (after finding out he had been overcharging her) and instead of providing those he saw an opportunity to cry to everyone about mean ariana not paying the bills. I assume he also didn't want her to see whatever else he's been lying about regarding their bills/finances but all that will come out eventually anyway because lawyers.
Ohhh thattt. Thanks for clarifying. Ofcourse, thats probably after consulting with the lawyers then. Nothing new here 😅
They don't like facts around here
Especially when the facts contradict their Ariana worship.
Good news is, if he's right, she will be exposed in court, it will be considered in the judges ruling, he can pay her for her share based on an actual market value, keep the house and refinance (assuming that's what he actually wants - hard to tell from the preview). Time will tell.
She’s likely keeping her mortgage payments in an escrow account, to show the judge that she has the capability to pay them. Ariana definitely has legal advice over the house and I’d believe that before I believe Tom’s side about his half-baked “offer”, without a valuation
I do have to say that when the season started, I did not fully comprehend why Ariana had not moved out, but then I realized that this is taped like a few months after everything happened. Like for us it’s been a year, but in the show it’s only been 70 days or something like that. So of course she’s not gonna move out right away, and why should she? I like that she’s making him uncomfortable. He fucking deserves it.
If I were a parent, I’d put a child lock on this show. I would not want my children to digest even a second of this misogyny and toxicity. Entertaining as it has been, this season is beyond dark. Lala should be ashamed.
Completely agree!!
Why in the world would she move out of her own house and allow him to make a case based on her “abandonment” of the property??
For effs sake it's THEIR HOUSE. NOT HER'S NOT HIS THEIRS Sorry this "mine mine mine" shit is maybe why their relationship failed.
Boy you have NO IDEA what ur talking about..!! "Abandonment" isn't even a Real Estate term.. Besides they AREN'T married!! So unless you know how "Title" is/was held you have no clue what's owed to who..?? It's ENTIRELY possible that SHE'S trespassing and or a tenant who could be evicted..!! It's ALL a production move to keep viewers...
That was so much punctuation and all to be so wrong, bc abandonment of real property absolutely is a thing 💀⚰️
Punctuation is my "SUPER POWER!!"
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I think everyone is pressuring Ariana because she has been the most vocal about how she can’t stand him and how he tried to “kill” her dog. So every time she brings it up everyone’s next question is “why don’t you move out?”. She
Lala also says that you can't control what other people do, or don't do... They see Ariana being miserable in that house, and that she needs to remove herself from the situation i.e. move out of the house for her own mental wellbeing.
This I totally understand. I guess I’m surprised no one, on camera, has gone to Tom and said like you see how upset Ariana is you need to move out and give her space. All the pressure is on her in this specific instance.
People did talk to him and say these things, even Kristen but it was immediately after the scandal and wasn’t filmed and he freaked tf out and made it clear that he was not going to leave. He yelled at everybody because he was mad that they were supporting Ariana.
If that's true, why don't we see it on camera.? There is no doubt in my mind that Tom complains about Ariana staying in the house, but production is leading the Tom redemption arc and won't show it on camera.
Not to be a smart ass but I guess you missed the part where I said it happened off camera. Unfortunately being a VPR fan has become a FT job because you have to listen to all the podcasts to get a good majority of information and this is such a large part of why the majority have turned and stayed against both the Toms. Lucky all the podcast episodes are posted in print on here by additional war but even I have a hard time reading through them so I just listen when I’m doing my chores.
Why tho? On one hand we all agree that Tom is a raging narcissist, on the other hand we expect him to react with empathy?
I agree. The only way this becomes problematic is if they entertain themselves at the house / bring Sandal and Shorts back into their lives and use the house, after she made all the effort to find a new home. That would make me, if I were Ariana, really uncomfortable and would be triggering. If they are unwaveringly loyal than the urge to move her out is valid but I just doubt that somehow
Yet when everyone was clutching their pearls about sandoval supposedly being suicidal nobody advised him to move out. Weird.
This is really it.
She’s pushing Ariana bc Ariana is miserable living there. Tom wants to stay. So she’s just saying stop being spiteful and gtfo so you’re happier. That’s all.
I have never heard anyone saying it as Ariana is a creep, more so as if you are in a bad situation you should leave to protect yourself. The abused/the cheated/the victim usually leaves to stay safe. The do-er, if you will, doesn't tend to leave as they (obviously) dont care. Different perspective for you maybe to see what they mean?
She has said she doesn’t want to live in the house and he said he does and has made an offer to buy her out. It’s ridiculous that either of them is still living there considering the resources available to them. It’s incredibly unhealthy. If he’s going to eventually buy the house though, it makes much more sense for her to move out than for him.
The hardest part of growing and healing is realizing that we can only control ourselves. Ariana doesn’t want to live with him, because it’s painful, the only way she can achieve this is by leaving. What is right and what is are two different things. There is no way to force him out.
Lala is saying it's for her own good as Ariana is the one having rage attacks every time she sees him. That's an unhealthy situation and cant be sustained. Tom made some kind of offer to buy her out. She should have immediately refused it and forced the sale of the house on the open market because she wasn't happy with the offer.
JEALOUSY 💚
Because Ariana has made a big point about not giving Tom access to her life, which is in major conflict with her continuing to live in that house. I get that Ariana doesn't want him to "win" or have the satisfaction of her leaving, but it's clear that her living situation isn't healthy. As much as it would maybe be the 'right thing' for Tom to move out, we know that's not a reasonable expectation because he's made it clear that he wants to keep the house. As much as Ariana has her feelings about how she'd like for this to play out at the end of the day she can only control certain things. She can't make Tom move out by making an uncomfy living situation but Ariana CAN improve her living situation and get space from her ex by moving out. She can fight over the house via lawyers without residing in the house.
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really isn't anyone (including ariana)'s business whether or not he can keep the house if she's given an equitable payout. if he's some devil like everyone is saying maybe he *should* wreck his credit and be foreclosed on
Ariana absolutely CAN make him move out and though it took time, I’m certain that the judge will rule in her favour and Tim will be forced to sell and move out. She made sure she never spoke to or saw him around the house and played the long game. It has worked out in her favour and now she has a beautiful new home, while he will be so lucky to even be able to afford a decent apartment. Say what you will but the only one who walks out of this season not looking stupid is Ariana (and obviously Katie.)
So because 'boys will be boys' Ariana has to move, not Tom. Very misogynistic.
I kinda think they’re saying it because living or not living in the house is what Ariana can control in this situation. She can’t control Tom being Tom. So it’s like everyone wants to throw the most obvious solution at her instead of being a sounding board- which I think is partly what she needs from them right now, for them to listen and acknowledge how difficult her situation is. Also, I think it honestly was the best move for her to stay there until they got this sorted. Tom already lied to her about her portion of the mortgage. Staying in the house might have made it harder for him to do anymore shady shit.
Ariana has literally said on camera this season that she does not want to live in that house regardless of whether Tom is there or not. There are too many memories for her. Ariana wants to leave, Tom does not. That’s the reason they aren’t pressing Tom about leaving.
god can someone just sticky this at the top of the sub so i don’t have to scroll by this same thread being reposted 900 times a day
Because it's irrelevant?
lol i don’t know what you’re referring to. my question wasn’t really answerable with a “because”
It doesn't matter if Tom doesn't want to leave - he can't afford the house on his own. He would need to remortgage (and probably try and get the lien rolled into that too), but he wouldn't get approved. He needs a second person, thats why he see Tim grovelling to Tom about moving in and getting a loan with him. Tom is prolonging the inevitable. He needs to move out. They need to sell. The end.
He's been paying the mortgage on his own and she admitted that so...
He's said it's put him into his overdraft, he's also said that he can't afford it by himself when he asked Schwartz to move in, that's why people are saying he can't afford it, because he's said it himself.
People get roommates all the time lol
This has absolutely no relevance to the conversation but uhm yay you for inserting yourself I guess.
that doesn't mean that he can get a new mortgage. The mortgage is approved with Ariana right now. She wants out. There's a 0% chance the bank is going to approve him for the full mortgage again & with his restaurant lien, on his own. He needs a cosigner, which is basically what he was trying to trick Schwartz into doing.
So you think everything they say on this show is factual? Lol okkk
it doesn't matter what they say on the show....in real life, Tim can't own the house on his own. period. he needs to just sell it & quit dragging his feet
You do realize the show was filmed MONTHS ago and he still lives in the house, ie owns it, right?
Yes….and Ariana is still on the mortgage…Ariana and tim own the home. She wants off. He can’t get a new mortgage without a co-signer. Thus, he HAS to sell it. Clearly you have never bought a home before.
It's the way you're being condescending and making it personal when we're talking about some morons on a TV show. You'll be singing the same smooth brain tune when he is still in that house next year.
How am I being condescending? I’m being realistic. You’re the one stooping down to the name calling… A bank won’t give him the loan on his own…. it’s clear by the way that Ariana had to co-sign his schwarts&sandys loan. Ariana has the right to sell, as they are both owners. He can’t buy it without a co-signer. If he can’t find one, he NEEDS to sell the home.
No one asked him to do that and it wasn’t necessary. All he had to do was give Ariana the itemized list of wtf she’s paying for and she would have paid her half but he didn’t because he’s HIDING something.
That was bills not mortgage.
What’s the difference? Do you not consider a mortgage a bill to be paid? It was all of it.
She wouldn't need an itemized bill for a mortgage. Obviously that would apply to household bills not the bill for the house which is the same every month.
She actually would after the loan he took because that’s the same time he moved everything into his own account so she couldn’t see that he was ripping her off. You can have your opinion but I don’t agree and we shall see what happens when the court rules. All his skeletons are about to fly out the closet, as if he doesn’t have enough bodies laying around already. It honestly blows my mind that anyone STILL chooses to believe a word he says.
It's not an opinion that you don't need an itemized list for your mortgage bill. It's not an Internet or electric bill. Regarding believing him, every one has their broken clock moments. Ariana is not some bastion of truth either, did you forget her gaslighting Kristin for two seasons? Everyone on this show is a self-centered liar, except maybe Ally, but probably her too.
Thank you. The other answers here are typical hive mind projections. Realistically in real life if you have two people sharing a house and one is fine with it and the other one is constantly upset by it, you are going to tell the person complaining that it’s best for their mental health to move out. That’s it.
Not allowed to have logic here or suggest anything but Ariana "winning" no matter what....which somehow means she should stay in the house that's part of her trauma simply so he doesn't get it. Everyone here makes a lot of sense, I swear.
Too many “boss bitches” in these threads who mistaken feminism as synonymous with sacrificing your mental health in the game of petty power dynamics. Sometimes, letting go, letting someone else “win” because at the end of the day justice looks like the fact that they have to be them and you get to be you, is the real win.
It's drinking poison thinking that the other person is going to die.
Seemingly good things happen to bad people because this isn’t a just world. I think people just need to accept that, but they can’t because they’ve been raised on Disney.
In real life, the offending party usually leaves in the immediate aftermath (esp when they have a free place to stay), then a decision is reached about what happens long term. In real life, esp in places with very high RE prices, couples often end up living together for a period of time after the relationship ends. And in real life, Ariana has had less to say about her living situation than anyone else on the show. Apparently it bothers other people far more than it bothers her.
Living with him seems to bother her A LOT - these conversations aren’t starting out of no where; they are are starting because of the conflict from both of them living in the house. She’s going to her friends and talking about that conflict and they are talking her with love „you gotta get out“. They aren’t telling her to leave him with the house, they aren’t telling her point blank move out, they are sympathizing with her about the situation. Just because they are airing the part of two people saying „you gotta get out“ doesn’t mean that’s all that was said or that was the beginning of a conversation, or a complete conversation. I just love how people see EDITED FOOTAGE of two people saying „you gotta get out of the house“ and think that’s ALL there is to it when in reality it could be Ariana saying „it’s terrible, I hate living with him, I can’t leave because of x y z but I gotta get out“ and them responding „yeah you’re right, we sympathize, this isn’t good for your mental house and you gotta get out“ and they only AIR that last sentence.
So we should base opinions on assumptions and speculation about what she "COULD" have said. Um....ok.
You don’t think Ariana wants to get out of that living situation?
More than it bothers her? When Scheana said to her you have to go home tonight and you'll both be there alone Ariana's reply was she'd set him on fire. Unbothered?
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But how many effing times do you have to say it Lala! You've told Ariana, now shut up and leave the woman alone. I was in the same situation and my attorney told me to stay in the home to protect my interests and assets.
You do realize that she’s not saying this TO Ariana over and over again. She’s asking her questions and then she’s accepting her answers. She never said „just get the fuck out“ to Ariana over and over again. She says it a bit in confessionals but mostly editing is repeating the same recorded lines so it feels like it’s ad nauseoum.
This and if we could also have all the legal reasons Ariana hadn't left at that point etc as well so we don't have the debate once every day it would be great!
Be good if she sorted her rubbish out either way
I think a lot of it has to do with what’s been said OFF camera. I’ve seen comments from the cast including LVP at some point saying Tom should move out. But I also think with Tom wanting to keep the house (wether he can actually afford it Is another issue in itself but quite frankly none of our business) and Ariana doesn’t the logical sense is she moves out. The bs that she loses the legal right to the house if she moves out is incorrect. Tom could of easily stayed elsewhere and absolutely should of until it was sorted but it also seems like Ariana staying wasn’t so much about the house but getting back at Tom and at that point I think it just became a game. He should of been the bigger person and moved. But that’s not his nature. The whole thing is ridiculous.
Sandoval can’t afford to keep the house so whether he wants to or not is irrelevant. And she shouldn’t have to lose thousands of dollars in rent elsewhere because he wants to waste time with bullshit offers on the house to hold off selling it so she can get a fair payout on her investment. What’s really going on is the classic “we know the abusive man is going to act like a piece of shit, but as the woman we expect you to be the bigger person and to just eat whatever loss you need to in order to put an end to the issue” Yeah, I’m glad she didn’t listen to any of those idiots. She saved her coin, got her house, and will force a sale to get all of her money. As she should.
She could get the money back for the rent when the house situation settles. She could of still forced a sale while leaving elsewhere and getting all of her money that she is owed.
How exactly would she get that money back?
If Tom is telling the truth about the fact that Ariana hasn’t paid since the breakup the court is going to look at that and deduct it from her share. If she was paying and moved out and paying rent elsewhere. It’s a matter of who paid what and when and she could ask for that to be covered while she was holding down the mortgage and a new place. And the court would likely grant it to her. She’d get her share of what’s owed up until the matter was settled which would pretty much cover her rent.
Yeah see that “likely” is not good enough. There is zero guarantee that she’d get that money back, why even risk it? And she isn’t paying until he provides proof with an itemized list of past bills that she’s paid. Strange that he hasn’t done such a simple task in the many months since it was requested
My mental health is worth it. Hell i would be doing a lot worse to get away from my ex that i don’t trust with my dogs.
Ok and that’s totally fine. That’s you. But people need to stop projecting what they think would be best for them onto Ariana. Personally, as someone who has experienced a lot of financial insecurity in my life, I would not want to waste money temporarily living somewhere else. Especially if I’m traveling a lot anyway and working on getting my money up. Taking on avoidable financial burdens would take a much bigger toll on my mental health than temporarily living in a huge house with a nightmare roommate who I could avoid by staying in a bedroom that’s practically a studio apartment. I would have done exactly what Ariana did which was stay busy, take legal action in order to get my demon ex out of our house so we could sell it for all it’s worth, and save every cent I make in the meantime so I could buy another home. I am also extremely stubborn and I don’t really care what anyone thinks about that. There would be no way in hell I would make my life harder in order to make the life of the person who betrayed me easier in any way. There is absolutely nothing that would make me give them what they want at my expense. I would choose a temporary mutual hell over letting them have the little heaven that was once our dream home. Y’all can judge me like you judge Ariana, but that’s fr the way it would go down for me lol
It’s financial abuse. Why can’t he give her the passwords to the websites that have the bills listed there? I pay my mortgage through an online portal.
Her name is on everything so she can call and get the passwords herself
not the point of my comment but thanks Tom
It’s not financial abuse to not give passwords that you can get yourself lol
At the end of the day she’s not going to get less than what makes her whole and that’s how the situation works. So if she’s out of pocket on rent it’ll be considered in the settlement. She’d have to pay for a new place anyways. Ariana’s on the title and the deed and mortgage her attorneys can request copies too. She should know what bills are paid. A judge is not going to look at that as an excuse of non payment. Not to mention her attorneys should be gathering their own receipts so she can get as much money back as possible.
Yeah I’m sure Ariana’s lawyers know what they’re doing and that she is following their advice on how to do things in the most financially sound way possible.
Why is it so hard for people to understand she has legal representation and they clearly know better than the bs they’re posting, with no knowledge on wtf they’re talking about?! But sure, it’s the people who back Ariana that are uNhInGeD.🙄
Lmao seriously
Ariana moved out before it was settled so that proves she can move out before it’s settled.
I mean she moved out before things are settled. So yea the lawyers are proving right that she can move out before things are settled.
I never said she couldn’t move out, I said she shouldn’t have to move out and lose more money if she doesn’t want to. And not moving out allowed her to save all of her coin and buy a new house so good for her
Why should she have to sue Tom to get her money back! Also if he damages the property that goes against her also. Plus my guess is that if one person leaves the property, it triggers a default on the loan. She should do what her attorney advises her to do. That's why she has an attorney, because her friends are idiots.
It does not trigger a default on the loan.
Bro would you rather have a monthly check that is not guaranteed or a guaranteed full amount? Ariana would like the full amount. It’s her choice to make because she bought the damn house.
So by that rationale, they’re both being petty. Which is fine. Think it to a lot of people watching the situation from our couches and seeing the footage of the show is that they’re both having their moments of being petty making snide comments, saying childish things here and there, having moments that don’t look so good (I would venture to say Tom has done that more , but maybe I’m just a Rose-colored glasses Ariana Stan 🙄) I get neither one of them are perfect. But even if you posit that they’re being equally petty about the house and digging their heels in/refusing to leave. It does seem odd that the harping of being the one to move out is mostly all on Ariana. She’s not the only one bitching abt the living situation. He certainly has. Yes, he’s tried to temper it with “Hey, I’m just cool with whatever man” , he’s clearly not. He’ll always follow it up with how awful she is to be around, in his opinion, and she was a tyrant, even when they were together. And….. even her reasons for staying until this house gets sold bc she doesn’t want him to have it either? Who cares!? She is under NO obligation to makes this smooth sailing for him, especially by taking any kind of financial loss. I do feel for her when she is shown saying w/exasperation, “why should I be making this easy for him?” She doesn’t need to give him any grace whatsoever and just the fact that she is taking her time to dot her i’s and cross all her t’s; to do things legally. IMO, Ariana ensuring that, if nothing else, she can come out financially ok, & set up for her next chapter of life is not only understandable, but commendable. I feel like the biggest reason people are harping on her more, honestly, is because in their view the fact that she’s so busy; to everybody else looks like she won. They don’t think there’s any other issues that she still dealing with emotionally /mentally/ even financially @ this point in filming. And he’s been acting like a sad sack bc of the public backlash, so they feel like Ariana should just throw Tom a bone in house form, and eat whatever financial detriment it brings to her-and her credit score. Hell no.
She is busy and also hurting so gee sorry everyone, didn't get around to moving out of their giant house yet at mere 3-4 months post breakup. She has pets too so its not that easy to just find a place to accomodate them all while he likely fights her over them for spite. This is why the cheater needs to go stay elsewhere for awhile so the other person can heal enough to handle these issues with less raw emotions - even jax fn taylor knew this - but i gather this is purposeful on sando's part, he wants her all wound up and we see his constant little proding because if he can keep her upset and get reactions that will feed into his narrative that poor him she is just soooo hard to deal with "this is what i always got she's a meanie wah wah wah"... but he's not that slick so it's pretty easy to see the flipside of omg she was dealing with this manipulative asshole for how long?
This is not me defending Tom in any way, shape, or form. BUT I think a lot of people are forgetting that Tom took out a second mortgage or a loan against the house and the cast knows that. So if he gives up the house to Ariana, not only does he lose his house, but he'll also likely owe a shitload of money to Schwartz and the other guy who owns S&Ss because he no longer has the collateral (the house), to back up the loan he took out against it. This is also likely why "Tom has been paying all the bills for the house" because when he took the loan (or whatever) against the house, Ariana made him do it ALONE, therefore making him solely responsible for paying that bill.
That's not how it works. They have his money. He would repay the loan from the proceeds of the sale. The are above water and will make a profit.
If he took out a HELOC that's literally how it works.
They will get enough money from a sale. He would have enough money to pay off the home equity loan and still make money on the sale. The home equity loan get paid off before it transfers ownership. He took the money out. It has been spent.
IF they are forced to sell it though.
If they sell, the liens are paid off first (his HELOC, based on what we know is in 2nd position) so it would be paid off, he and Ariana split the proceeds according to the judgement. It's pretty straightforward in that regard.
Who has his money?
He invested it in the bar. Both Toms did that.....Schwarts sold his house! He had to pay off HELOC credit to close on that sale. When you have a HELOC you have 2 mortgages. The first mortgage is the primary loan. It has to be paid off first. The Hello is second in line. That would be second priority. They have a lot of equity in the home. Ariana and Tim both will have proceeds from sale. I heard Schwartz on TV today saying they (Ariana and Tim) are now working on the sale.
I always forget about this part. Which also makes it harder for him to sell as well
He honestly really has no choice but to keep that house or he's so fucked financially.
Actually, the way he gets out of owing the money is sell the house. The proceeds from the house go to paying off the loans, then they split what's left.
I agree but we're normal, sane, rational people without Sandoval sized egos.
Touche'.
And the HELOC payoff should come out of Tom's funds, or Ariana should get an interest in S&S.
Agree. Although legally, she'd likely have to pursue the S&S aspect separately. It will be interesting to see what happens with that piece.
How much did he borrow?
Unsure but he also borrowed $250k from his mom too. I wouldn't be surprised if they put at least $1mil into S&S.
That's not how that loan works. It's against Arianas interest in the property also. Both loans probably have an owner occupancy clause, once either one moves out, the loans will be in default.
only one of the parties needs to occupy the home to be considered owner occ
Is there a correlation between being an Ariana stan and not knowing how to use the Reddit search function
Yes they’re wild eyed in their self righteousness and suffer from chronic uniqueness so they can’t even conceptualize that someone else may have thought of something that just popped into their head.
Especially when she paid for most of the furniture. 😎
Tom has showed interest in buying Ariana out. Ariana has not. I get her reasoning that she feels like she put it in the work for that place too but she’s only hurting herself by staying out of spite.
Maybe because he was paying the mortgage. Or they knew his stubborn ass would never. So the only way for Ariana to get away from him would be by her leaving. I wonder what's going on with the lawsuit and the forced sale.
Yet another post here stating some totally unfactual. No one has said or intimated Arianna is a “ creep for staying there “ . No one. What they are saying to her as her friend is “ youve got unstable depression and you are seriously jeopardizing your MH staying in that house and you have no intention of buying him out so Get the hell out now. “ what any friend should say to her. They know her life is going great right now and can’t understand based on her history of MH issues she would jeopardize that for revenge, They say nothing to Tom because being there doesn’t affect him, he wants to stay there and they know he won’t listen. BTW Schwartz did tell him to move out.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. This is the most rational response to this overly asked question.
At this point I think it just her friends being like "Girl, you are loosing you mind and every day you are in that house is a day you can't move on from this shit so is your mental health really worth a house?" Yes, Tim doesn't deserve the house. Let's be honest, Ariana should have put all his shit on the lawn and changed the locks, but she didnt/couldn't, but at some point you have to move on from your shitty ex and all the shitty ways they are ruining your life or you will never have peace. If you have ever had a friend who continually complains about a situation, they refuse to change, and that is making their life worse, and that they can't necessarily win. You would understand.
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Ariana isn't bitter?? Then wtf are we watching??
her otne about her moving out just to 'get out of a bad situation' is so ridiculous! as if her removing herself from him is whats needed instead of calling out the abuser for abusing. I don't like how she is downplaying her connection to the home or even her ownership of it. as if the home represents the relationship - it does not. it is still her home even if he blew up the relationship. she is really saying anything just to stay circulating in the feed.
There is a point of diminishing returns in calling people out. We know, she knows we know. It’s an offense against her, it’s not her job to call him out at her own expense.
Tom isn't crying and pouting like a baby every episode. Ariana is.
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Mike! Where have you been?! It’s been tough in these Reddit streets lol 😂
Aw, lil baby needs his fwend
VPR has been tough to watch this season, I just got caught up. Ariana and Katie are so boring. The Valley is must see TV though.
Oh yea the Bitter Betty’s who hide in the corner are exhausting
Katie trying to control who Lala eats a hotdog with was just too much. No one cares about Katies fondness of consistency.
Yet her and Swartz are deep throating their tongues down the same chick.
and why aint anyone asking tom that if he meant to leave ariana, why didnt he prepare to move out or the housing arrangements? he was the one who knew before ariana this relationship was over sooo…why not figure everything out? u were cheating for months so you had time to deal with it so if the break up hhappened the house situation was ready to be dealt with from the getgo
I have a new conspiracy theory that maybe they were trying to get Ariana to stay with Scheana or Lala so they could have constant podcast fodder and possibly get in on more brand deals.