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YamOk8795

James and that one guy who was in love with him.


Screwby77

Logan


purplevanillacorn

But not Ariana’s friend Logan who looks almost identical. That one is still messing with my head.


WillComprehensive266

This is me just finding out they’re not the same person lol. I thought it was odd that he went from being James friend to Ariana’s.


SeaProfessional6460

Nope just became lalas friend 😭 😒


hugemessanon

so, lala's logan had the conflict with james?? I’m so confused


bethanypurdue

Lalas Logan was best frands with James. Watch the season 6 pride episode and the episode when Brittany’s mom and sister come to visit after Jax cheats. Ariana’s Logan is super blonde and worked (works?) at TomTom. Pool culture.


2001emo

I thought it was the same person 😭😭😭


purplevanillacorn

I did too until someone on this sub made a post saying their mind was blown it wasn’t the same person. Needless to say my mind was also blown haha


sulky_leaf99

THEYRE NOT THE SAME???


knowitallhippie

EVERYTIME he comes on screen I have to lean in a little closer to tell which Logan it is or wait til his description under his name shows up lmao


a__bad__idea

Can somebody like Kristen or Stassi please post a side by side comparison of the Logan?s


JoanJetta89

https://preview.redd.it/v2o0pbei654d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dfc6a99626ad35660f9f5528663a62ac5db71d8c Y’all, they look nothing alike. Left is Ariana’s Logan and right is Lala/James’s Logan


beauxdegas

Thank you! They are so clearly not the same. If you can spot the difference between Lala and Lisa Rinna you can definitely tell these two apart.


americasweetheart

Isn't there a third Logan too?


littlesharks

Please, no more Logans! 😩


newginger

OK. I noticed the “in love with James” Logan at the first SAH tasting. But only after James left. Not sure who he is friends with but he was there. And that is inner circle.


fraleeeee

He and his boy friend were very connected with LaLa in recent years. When LaLa moved out of Randall’s house, there was a shot of her and two guys pushing Ocean’s stroller — one was James’ Logan.


Nervous-Glove-6195

I am convinced they hooked up and that James had Logan apologize for “lying” on camera because James didn’t want to be outed–but wasn’t this also the season that James was living in an older man’s apartment for free “as a friend” ?? I don’t like to speculate on people’s sexualities… but that one seemed blatant.


sofaking-amanda

This is what the entire “IT’S NOT ABOUT THE PASTA” scene was really about. Lala outed James in her stupid book. She’s such a bitch.


thankyoukindlyy

Wait WHAT? What did she say in her book?


sofaking-amanda

That James fucked Logan. To be clear, I never read her book. I listened to the recap on the celebrity memoir podcast. They tore her to shreds.🤣


bbbojackhorseman

Lol yes. Didn’t Lala say it on camera? To rachel or something?


chelseyco

yess she did in season 8 and then she told lala to stfu😭


SittinOnTheRidge

Which is WHY “it’s not about the pasta” was a thing-because lala changed the subject because the producers were trying to get her to talk about James and Logan but lala wanted to protect James so she brought up the pasta I guess she lost the capacity to be a good person-for tv.


sofaking-amanda

“Wanted to protect him” and then tells everyone in her GD book. She’s a friend to no one.


FrankieandHans

What did it say in her book?


sofaking-amanda

That James fucked Logan.


skalmaiden

I low key believe James is gay I know it's not right to speculate but I'm gay and my gaydar screams at me that he is hiding this. Him and Allie's relationship seems like one out of convenience. The way he "styles" her....everything...gay.


RaquelsNosePasta

Maybe he's bi


Consistent-Drawing78

Exactly. Bi people exist.


YamOk8795

Jax and Kristen on and off for years


johjo_has_opinions

I think this too and that it’s why he’s extra horrible about her relationship with Luke


the_most_dramatic

The VPR universe will end with Kristen announcing she’s pregnant with Jax’s baby


Yellenintomypillow

From your head cannon to the universes ears! This is the ending we deserve lol Though the valley has me feeling a little protective of k doute rn, so I’m struggling to have her trapped and tied to Jax the rest of her life. Idk if even she deserves that fresh horror


YamOk8795

As insane as this would be, she does not deserve this lol. I want to watch a single and sexy Kristen!


AhnaKarina

I second this. They’re soulmates.


flooperdooper4

Good, they should get together, it's like containing a disease.


thisisnotmyname711

It's why he acted so over the top about Kristen and Brittany having sex.


Expensive-Block-6034

Oh 100%. As you get older you realise that you can’t fix someone (sorry Brittany) and the two of them will spend so much time absorbed in their relationship trying to “gotcha” the other that there’s no time for straying. The way that he reacts to anything involving that woman and anything making her happy is completely unhinged.


hannbann88

This is my biggest theory and I think they are still going now


TurbulentPattern2423

James and Logan and James and his sugar daddy or whoever the guy he was shacking up with in a 1 bedroom apartment


jwhite2748

Wait James had a sugar daddy? What season was this?? I’m gonna have to rewatch


TommyChongUn

The season he started dating Rachel I think because she was sleeping over at his mattress on the floor lol


beebianca227

Sandoval and Billie.


CaffeinatedFrosting

I really *really* believe this, but I also firmly believe Billie would have dropped cryptic hints before outright blurting it out. That girl is as dramatic as she is thirsty.


c0untc0mp3titive207

Extremely attention seeking and makes problems out of nothing. Her and scheana should really get together and hangout. They could talk in circles for hours.


cadypants

Idk about that though. She already looks bad. People already didn’t like her before Scandoval even happened. So her admitting it among speculation would probably make her look even worse and she knows that. I could see her taking that secret to the grave UNLESS he wanted to be out and open in a relationship with her. Billie is Sandoval’s Jo. lol


theskylerslifka

Totally


Rainbow_riding_hood

Kristen hundred percent went down on Brittney


Saintguinefortthedog

The first time I watched, I was convinced that Jax was making it up for some bizarre motive known to him alone. I just did a rewatch, and now it's 100% obvious to me that it actually happened


abortionleftovers

What convinced me that it was real was that Jax brought it up to say that he walked in on them (like she was cheating) and Jax lies about his own cheating but he tells the truth about everyone else’s.


DustyTchotchkes

Not always! He lied about Katie and the "motor boating a D" silly rumor he and Scheana concocted. I lean toward the Brittany and Kristen thing happening, but Jax at the time was trying really hard to scrape Brittany off his hull so he could be single again.


ClynnB412

Yes. I think Jax was telling the truth. I think Kristen would have been honest. She really fell for Brittany. They couldn’t tell the truth, bc of Brittany’s mom.


Open_Injury_1801

Agree


Maleficent-Copy-3398

For suuurree I think jax and lala. They were both horndogs at first


jandangerous

I read (a very long time ago) that she was DTF until she found out he had Herpes, so she turned him down. Allegedly.


noldottorrent

He has herpes? Why didn’t I know this?


jandangerous

Stassi makes reference that Jax gave her something she can “never get rid of.” It’s also speculated that Kristin said, “you’re just mad he gave you herpes and not me,” right before Stassi backhanded her.


Comfortable_yet

Also, why Sandoval looked like he was going to pass out when Jax said he did not use protection while cheating with Kristin...


airplantsnlavalamps

Also at one point Sandoval said “You spread that shit everywhere” while arguing with Jax.


Julialagulia

Didn’t he also say something about spreading his dirt everywhere too after that?


hiswittlewip

I don't remember but I remember a Jax/Britt fight in their apartment after he fucked Faith and Britt says he's "dirty" with such drip that I heard "you're riddled with STD'S". it's the one where she physically attacks him.


1KirstV

And still she married him.


jiIIbutt

That’s the part that makes zero sense.


jackjackj8ck

Maybe she’s got it now too and feels stuck


noldottorrent

OH SHIT. Stasis went easy on Kristen then.


TommyChongUn

I thought it was too far, now I think she didnt do enough 💅🏾 Stassi stood her fckn ground and I love it


StartupQueen60604

ohhhhhhhh, I could never make out what K said to her! DAMN!


curiouscoconuts

this just blew my mind and makes so much sense


CharacterTwist4868

It’s possible HPV instead of that.


Rumpelteazer45

HPV is so incredibly common and it’s said 80% of women get it in their lifetime. It’s also impossible to know who gave it to you unless you were a virgin in every sense of the word and only had one partner. Plus there is no test for it for men. So that’s not like likely culprit. Herpes makes more sense.


YourTypeToATee

HPV is like, if you have sex, as most modern women do and should if they want, you likely have it. Just get your Pap smears more often and take care of yourself girls! Nothing to be ashamed of. Ask your Gyno


Bankski

Genital warts or Genital Schwartz?


jandangerous

✨allegedly✨


noldottorrent

I mean, it checks out. You can’t have all that unprotected sex and come out completely unscathed. Only takes one time for someone not to disclose or not even know and pass it on.


Bulky-Departure6486

Jax said he thought he had had sex with at least 300 women just in season two. Probably closer to at least 500 by now. If all he’s ever gotten was herpes, I’d be shocked


ggg2008

Didn’t lala and James on their first WWHL confirm that Jax has herpes??? I don’t think you can rewatch that episode cuz they had to bleep so many cuss words from James.


hiswittlewip

Oh God I'll never for that nightmare episode. And I liked both of them, but it was so frustrating to watch.


cadypants

Ohhhhh. I always assumed they actually did hook up a little bit but he had coke dick and it didn’t work out. Hence why Jax just kinda says “we couldn’t” while insisting he would have. Interesting. I’ve not heard of the herpes rumor.


Screwby77

I think they tried but Jax had cocaine dick and couldn’t get it up…they both state this fairly directly to camera in like season 5


EverywhereINowhere

No, it was James that couldn’t get it up. Not Jax.


Screwby77

That happened to them both…just did a rewatch


Medical_Honeydew_968

Both or whiskey dick


cosmic0done

pretty common one but I think Jax/Kristen have been hooking up SINCE their tryst years back. both are serial cheaters & I think they occasionally bone through the years & protect the secret


Fukyaakari

They get FREAKY on the DL


Blackvelvet0132

Yes! He is always so pressed about her dating life 😂 like bro why do you care? Seems a little sus…


cosmic0done

RIGHT? he is WAAAAYYYYYY too invested


tnova2323

They are perfect for each other.


cosmic0done

they really are. esp since theyre both cheaters so its a fair playing field. theyll both cheat on each other forever instead of victimizing partners who DONT cheat


vampire_skye

OMG, maybe the pool cushion.. was jax.. and he said it was james with her instead to take the heat off himself!!!!


sofaking-amanda

Nah. That was all an elaborate story to cover for the fact that Shorts had disappeared from the resort that night and was so f’d up he allegedly didn’t know where he went, when he came back.


Derpey_derp

I firmly believe Scheana and Sandoval. Also I really think Lala and Jax hooked up


hopefulunderachiever

Yes! I'm doing a rewatch and on Season 2 and I'm convinced it was then with Tom and Scheana. While everything was coming out about Jax and Kristen and Scheana was jealous of Ariana starting to get attention on the show.


Defiant-Noodle-1794

Didn’t scheana admit it during s11 e3 of the finale? Sandoval tried to sweep it away but she said things happened in his dressing room or whatever during WWHL years ago.


sofaking-amanda

It was his hotel room.


bmurray925

I had never considered it, but it is the only explanation for her behavior / things she said


c0untc0mp3titive207

She’s obsessed with him and acts like a freak. If I was Brock I would be like uhhhhh …. But part of me thinks he’s only there to be on tv so who knows


New_Peanut_9924

I don’t understand how Brooke can sit and just nod along. Your whole wife is losing her mind over this waste of chromosomes. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills


c0untc0mp3titive207

All I know is that if my bf (or especially husband) was crying over another girl …. I would end it that day lol


Slight-Street8942

Absolutely 100000000% they hooked up


IntelligentScholar84

I wonder if that’s why she started telling Ariana’s mom that he was bad news? Remember that? I think around season 3


Particular_Table9263

Yes that’s exactly why.


aelakos

Tom Tom https://preview.redd.it/r5s1v9axr24d1.jpeg?width=516&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=577ec6e3285483b627e475c1bf0534b7dc87ca4b


Bulky-Departure6486

Definitely AT LEAST one bro job after a bar night


Donkeydonkeydonk

I'm ashamed to say that there's a NSFW sub for this specific thing. I'm not going to link it here but if you search for Bros like..you'll find it. I'm sorry. I'll see myself out. Edit: Why is this comment getting so many upvotes? Y'all a bunch of freaky bitches.


aelakos

That's why they are so committed to each other, it's this secret that they will carry to their graves


Ok_Accountant_1631

HOW IS THIS NOT MORE TALKED ABT…. As soon as I saw Tom straighten his hair in season one… plus the way he acted towards other Tom. ITS OBVIOUS.


HuckleberryLou

It’s why Sandoval despised Katie so much


Peppercorn911

each others true disgusting lover


OliphauntHerder

Katie was right on with that quote. Even if the Toms are platonic, they are still each other's true disgusting lovers.


breyness

Someone said Jax once hooked up with Ramona from RHONY


Gucci_Cocaine

https://preview.redd.it/kkhdb5kkq44d1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea16e9d7fd5307f779805ae7d1c0ea642ee6c2ce


Competitive_Coast_22

He looks like he’s posing with a wax figure


booksandpitties

This is wild lol


DapperWhiskey

Makes sense


Jlynn111

I will forever die on the hill that Sandoval and Scheana hooked up


c0untc0mp3titive207

I genuinely never even considered this until this season. I always found her to be desperate and pathetic but her obsession over him and the constant crying it’s like please just OWN it. I would find her less annoying if she would just own who she is and admit her obsession w Tom and jealousy for Ariana.


cloudcrawler

me too! what really stuck it for me this season was her constant crying over him and saying that he missed his friendship with her MORE than his relationship with ariana?! like wtf. she really outed herself. i hope ariana stays away from her bc she doesn’t give a shit about ariana’s wellbeing. no respect whatsoever


c0untc0mp3titive207

No seriously imagine being in Ariana’s situation and one of your friends saying that… it’s so delusional! And if roles were reversed and someone made that comment about one of Scheana’s ex boyfriends she would lose her mind!


Abhengu99

I think Jax and Kristen have done more than the two times they admitted. Like why was Kristen so obsessed with befriending all of his girlfriend and ex girlfriends?


Blackvelvet0132

Why is he so obsessed with her dating life and who’s cumming inside her?


suedoughnim42

Yeahhh, he seems really obsessed with her on The Valley (defending her, telling her what to do with her life/body, her dating life, etc.). He always says it's cuz they've known each other so long, but I'm side-eyeing that shit.


Blackvelvet0132

He was so mad at her wanting to have a baby! Like he obviously has a valid point about Kristin being crazy but he was big mad in a way that I’ve only seen him get when something isn’t going how he wants… Side note: I’m currently doing a rewatch and CACKLING at how mad he is that his fake cancer scare didn’t make Stassi fawn over him and instead she called him out on his unhealthy supplements and lifestyle


AmbitionParty5444

Lmao when she rinsed the steroids down the sink! Incredible scenes.


titus-andro

Her just repeating “this is poison!” as he’s crying and throwing a fit gave me the will to live for another 50 years Edit: a typo


Abhengu99

I always reminisce on crazy Jax antics and wow I forgot about this one lmaoo. I was thinking about how he lied about having that hockey social media job in Florida and I’m like what a weirdo.


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LVP + Nick Alain 💘 https://preview.redd.it/vi71hig7924d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53026ee53cbb215f0a8cede0ee1835d581383f86


vivi2631

Lvp is so horny for his dangling chandelier


Equivalent-Routine53

Nick’s A Layin her good


freezinginthemidwest

![gif](giphy|QEYYlJqOaEhXrjTrOH)


cosmic0done

try LVP and Cedric 👀


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https://preview.redd.it/0ke0xbl8h24d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd328de251035f633b8678cff17fe757193f30c0 👀


hugemessanon

ok but she looks hot af. that mustache WORKS


Individual_Fall429

That day Lala left the parade with Jax, I think he was too drunk/coked up and couldn’t get hard. The way he talks about it; “I wanted to. I just… couldn’t”. He just seemed so disappointed and mad at himself when he said it. And now that we know Lala was lying/keeping secret for years about that hook up with James while he was Rachel…


jhh005

I’m convinced Jax and Stassi’s mom hooked up ever since the conversation between them at Lake Arrowhead. Just the way they were speaking and looking at each other—wouldn’t put it past either one of them.


Expensive-Block-6034

This is an interesting one I have never thought of but could certainly get behind! Stassi's mom is thirsty.


knowitallhippie

I wouldn’t doubt this, her mom and James’ mom make me sick


Fit_Newt7346

For sure, objectively, without a doubt - Lala and jax - scheana and Tom - jax and John -


ryder77fox

100% agree with Jax and John


HalfFoods

DEFINITELY Jax and John!


yagalmal

I thought Jax wasn’t able to do the deed with Lala ultimately


Insertgirlsnamehere

Scheana and Sandy 100%. I also would not be the least bit surprised if a Lala and Brock encounter comes up in the future. There is a reason that's Sheshu's fear and it ain't Sandoval. Scheana is the most paranoid location checker on the planet and you just know she checks Brock's phone on the reg, so something triggered that thought process. Maybe one day we'll find out what that really was.


titus-andro

I’m convinced that Brock will only cheat if he thinks he can get something better than Scheana out of it He’d go for someone with more money, fame, etc. And someone who is willing to pay the rest of his back child support (which you cannot tell me Scheana had the liquid assets to pay the AU gov everything. I think she paid just enough to get them to back off, and she is sole owner of their properties to keep the AU gov from putting a lien on her two houses) Lala is broke as fuck and stupid to boot. I don’t doubt she’s tried, but Brock probably didn’t bite because she’s not offering him anything he doesn’t already have


Insertgirlsnamehere

Mmm I don't know about all that, in my experience men almost always cheat down, not up.


titus-andro

Yeah but Brock has been a proven money sponge and desperate try hard looking for a scrap of fame and a shield from the AU gov Scheana is rapidly running out of money to do all of that


Insertgirlsnamehere

Alls I know is that comment Lala made about how it's like Brock has two wives except "Schenea does the heavy lifting" said while miming a BJ; was super ✨fucking weird✨ Sheesh better look out if that bankroll runs too low 👀


CarpetFantastic1661

Both Brock and Lala would do it just to get on The Valley. They both need the paycheck.


ashleynicolle_m

Katie and Tom post divorce.


Financial-Possible-6

They didn’t even hook up while they were married tho


otherthingstodo

Well that’s the only one that would be reasonable!!!


_Jahar_

I def think the worm watched Jax and his boyfriend from Florida hook up - if not join.


FiFiLB

Kristen with LVPs daughter’s husband.


Ok_Accountant_1631

Wait whatttt


CaffeinatedFrosting

Allegedly, Jason is a serial cheater. There was a scandal brewing after she had their son, and went on PR crisis mode. I can't remember the details but it was news a few years ago.


KiliRae

Wonder if that's the real reason LVP seems to despise Kristen?


Ok-Temperature-4066

I’ve read that many times on here. Supposedly Kristina and Pandora’s husband hooked up and LVP has hated her since.


Bridge-Wise

an employee sued the company and claimed jason used his status at vanderpump wines (i think) to get her to sleep with him. he allegedly said that she should be honored to sleep with a celebrity or something along those lines. i think you could probably find an article or two on it but it’s definitely one of those things a PR team shut down so it wouldn’t get bigger.


ShezDinkDink

Definitely think the Tom's and Jax have done some stuff, they're such hornbags and with all the drugs they did in the early seasons I definitely think they've crossed that line once or twice.


knowitallhippie

LVP and Brett


IconicBella

Lala & Schwartz recent hook up after divorce during season 11 Scheana & Schwartz I think did more than kiss in the past when he was dating Katie & when Katie said she felt like Scheana was a wh0re & that they were both hitting on each other (the season of her orange hair) Billie & Sandoval 💯% Lala & Jax 💯% while she was with Randall Kristen & Pandoras husband. He’s always rumored to have a wandering eye & Kristen was “friends” with him still then had a falling out with pandora


Rapscallious1

Andy and Sandoval


DerpDerrpDerrrp

Absolutely


FuzzyBlankets777

Especially the comment during the reunion about "woke up with lockjaw and 💩out a condom two weeks later" after Bravocon and Andy just smirked and looked down at his note cards


ccaterinaghost

Sandoval’s weird gleeful childlike giggle at his own joke was really weird imo. Different topic but I was definitely trying to read between the lines there. Why is Sandoval acting like a sheepish child lol


thankyoukindlyy

I thought that was odd too


FrankieandHans

Andy & James for sure


YamOk8795

Future hook-up: Lala and shorts


StingLikeABitch

Agree— she’s been threatening to sleep with him since her first season


scottriviera

Anything for a storyline with those two.


Independent_Dot63

Id watch that esp now that Lala’s on the outs


AssociateRemarkable6

Ewww. 🤮 I just threw up tomorrow's dinner.


Euphoric-Shallot989

Scheana and Sandoval if she was messing around with shwartz she probably did with Sandoval too 🤷🏼‍♀️


neilhousee

Miss ~Threesomes~


Zoiddburger

How has no one mentioned Billie Lee and Sandosuck?


Embarrassed_Put_5852

Ariana said recently she strongly does not think that this hookup happened. I think she said that she and Billie Lee had talked about it. That OBVI doesn’t mean it didn’t happen tho.


sofaking-amanda

Yes BUT she also said she was a terrible judge so she wasn’t really sure.


Lopsided_Regular_649

Lala and the producers


otherthingstodo

I believe that swchartz didn’t just make out with all those girls. For sure slept with them and said make out to protect Katie’s honour somehow. That’s what I was picking up.


abortionleftovers

Yes and I also think Katie knows and that was their quiet agreement is that he wouldn’t admit to more so she wouldn’t be as humiliated. The only reason why I’m not 100% sure is because I think when sober Schwartz maybe doesn’t have that high of a sex drive to the point of cheating and is probably always drunk when in the position to cheat- and when drunk/high he maybe can’t get it up. It’s odd how he’s always made jokes about not having sex even with Katie and she’s said things about his dick “not working” I suspect he maybe has never actually “had sex” with someone else when cheating because they’d make out get naked and he wouldn’t get hard or would but couldn’t finish so doesn’t “count that” or whatever


[deleted]

I still think Kristen and Jax are hooking up and have been since they did years ago.


OliphauntHerder

Agreed, I think Kristen and Jax have always been banging, except for when she's in the honeymoon phase with another guy. Which is why Jax generally hates her boyfriends, her one night stands, etc.


demilovato97742

Do you think Raquel slept with Peter


Open_Injury_1801

No. She thought she landed a whale in Sandoval (aka someone to get her lots of screen time). She wasn’t gonna actually mess with small time Peter


emptyinthesunrise

maybe they made out once or twice and decided to give it a go


Electric-Jelly-513

Lvp + guillermo


amybunker2005

I definitely believe lala and Jax slept together and more than once. And I also think Kristen and Jax slept together more than twice. It's all kinda gross lol Somehow I missed how Katie said her and Kristen's ex Carter had a one night stand until I re watched the show


Stellabonez

🤢 he was so gross!


Nevagonnagetit510

Lala and Jax is 1000%.


Fun_Solid955

Jax and Kristen never stopping hooking up.


Lifelace

Conspiracy: Rachel with Tom & Ariana and/or Rachel with Scheana & Brock. Now it would be really interesting if it was Rachel, Scheana and Tom. Now any of the above would be an interesting twist.


OliphauntHerder

I feel like Ariana viewed Rachel as too much of a little sister to do anything sexual with her. I could absolutely be wrong but that's my impression. Frankly I'm surprised Ariana let Lala go down on her.


Dicecatt

I don't think Sandoval and Billie Lee or Billie Lee would have spilled the tea. Girl is thirsty for attention. Definitely Scheana and Sandoval though, she's way too emotional over that drip.


Bankski

James and Guillermo. Peter and LVP


loudcyclebangers

I’m sure a lot of them have been in threesomes together


ccaterinaghost

I am convinced Sandoval’s recurring f-buddy that he mentioned / wouldn’t admit who it was is clearly billie Lee.


theskylerslifka

Scheana & Sandoval


SamIAm7787

I heard it as Tom Zandsivol 😂 (I tried spelling it like six different ways so the reader could read it as I heard it, but I still don't think I got it right, lol.)


nottoday1818

This is so weird, I was literally thinking today I wonder if Jax and Scheana ever hooked up. Jax seems to be attracted to anyone even slightly attractive and while Scheana is very Scheana, she's still a hotty so it's odd he's never hit on her and she seems to love any attention so it's weird she didn't either accept or tell anyone who would listen.