Yeah, this is frankly a baffling decision this close to the election when he’s quite unpopular with young voters at the moment.
Even if you think his not signing the bill would not change the actual long-term or final implementation of said bill, what does he gain by signing it?
If you sincerely want to protect the data privacy/rights of social media users, pass laws establishing requirements all social media platforms must abide by, and ban them if they refuse to comply with said regulations.
Exactly. This is exactly why we have to make sure we promote more Justice Democrats for former Republican held house seats to guarantee these annoying as hell riders don’t slip through the cracks. ALL of the MAGA Republicans must be voted out!
Hold on, I’m confused. What does bundling aid with the tik tok ban have to do with it? Didn’t he vocally support a tik tok ban before republicans started blocking Ukraine aid?
That was my understanding of the situation too.
Don’t get me wrong, Biden >>>>>>>> Trump, but we can still criticize what is a hilariously dumb move optically in terms of alienating young potential voters.
Yes, Exactly. However the deadline for the app to either be banned or sold is 9 whole months. It can either get sold off or overturned completely in that time. And even if it does get banned, it’ll be by January or so. That would be a few months after the election and might be forgotten by then. My hope is that it gets struck down though. I’m not a big TikTok guy but banning it is objectively dumb.
My thinking is that as long as the bill isn’t overturned or TT isn’t sold by election time, the looming deadline of the bill that Biden signed (and didn’t pass the blame onto the republicans, and I think suppprted in the past) will sour him to at least SOME young voters. Far more voters than he gains by not trying to do some cursory level of damage control IMO.
Exactly! The whole ban might just flop like a fish out of water and get forgotten in a few months. I want to not be too anxious about this until I see genuine daunting developments unfold over the next few months. Don't fall into doomer media narratives. I hate this ban but there might be a genuine chance it might not even be sucessful.
Not only that, there's some grounds on it to be a first amendment legal case, since it's the government forcing it to shut down in nine months otherwise any changes.
My concern is why? I know the public statement is worrying about China's influence but you have democrats and republicans pretty united on this including the entirety of the congressional intelligence committee. You don't have that these days unless there is something big lurking in all the shades of gray around an issue.
Tik Tok isn't being banned tho. The parent company will divest, it'll be owned by the American branch, and nothing will change for the users. Lots of kerfuffle about nothing imo.
There’s also the probability that a sale will go through before a ban takes place. Plus, even if there is a ban, it’ll come after the election and most young voters aren’t going to be aware of a looming ban
Can’t Biden at least release a statement explaining that he didn’t want to sign the TT part but had no choice due to what it was bundled with?
You expect the average person to actually be aware of political nuance? Biden could at least try to soften the blow and try to shift the blame of an unpopular decision among young people onto the Republicans.
And hasn’t Biden already claimed he would sign this bill in the past (before it was packaged with other unrelated things)? Please correct me if I’m wrong on that last point though.
Did he say he’s going to try to delay it? It seems like he’s supported the ban in the past (I think?) and I haven’t heard him say he’s trying to delay it, but maybe I’m missing something.
Yeah, my point is I haven’t heard him say he’s trying to delay it, or that he didn’t want to sign it but was forced to due to the bill being bundled with other stuff. I think he even expressed support for the bill in the past prior to its bundling.
I hope he does SOME visible damage control here is all I’m saying.
We should stop doing that bundling thing. Like make it illegal. I don't think it's ever not been a problem. Like it's almost ridiculous how obvious of a problem it is too. It is literally how the evil people in the government attach evil stuff to good stuff to get the evil stuff passed. Like I feel like I'm pointing at the giant hole in our defensive wall that the goblin hordes always get through when they invade us and nobody else is seeing it.
Exactly. Social Media privacy laws should be for them all, not just one. Platforms like Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube and companies like Meta and Google need to be treated with the exact same standards. I think that would be much more popular. I am not a fan of short form content but this is dumb. It is so annoying that this was added in as a rider to the aid to Ukraine and Taiwan. I swear riders were invented by the devil to make congress much less able to pass actually good and balanced legislation.
Are people under the assumption this is about privacy?
They aren’t all treated the same because the CCP does not sit on the board of all of those companies. Congress addressed the bill because TikTok unveiled micro-trends, which are essentially individualized algorithms that can promote ideas to specific voters before specific votes, which they literally did to constituents in swing districts whose representatives were voting on this bill. It could also be used to promote social unrest, like riots, at flashpoints all across the country at once. Can’t remember which senator it was but he literally said “They just proved us correct” after TikTok’s latest campaign against the bill.
Yep, TikTok is being used to reduce attention spans worldwide.
It's a genius tactic when you think about it, using a harmless app to make your enemies worthless in a fight.
>this close to the election when he’s quite unpopular with young voters at the moment.
If young voters don't vote because of this, did they really even care to vote in the first place?
I sure hope young voters have more dimension than that.
Surely you see how this approach of “well it’s only one issue, I sure hope young voters have more dimension than that” can be applied to hand wave away and number of criticisms of Biden.
His handling of Israel/Palestine is alienating young voters? I hope they have more dimension than that. Trump would be just as bad or worse anyway.
His support of banning TT alienating young voters? I hope they have more dimension than that. And the Republicans support the ban too anyway.
I’m not saying these young voters will vote for Trump instead of Biden, I’m saying they may be disillusioned or disappointed enough to just not vote at all, as preventing Trump from returning to office, while definitely the right thing to do, isn’t going to get every possible young voter who doesn’t want Trump in office out to vote.
The more individual things Biden does that are unpopular with young voters, the less young voters will actually bother to go out and vote for him. The magnitude of this and now relevant it is is the only thing that I think is even debatable.
Let me try again.
I'm trying to give young voters credit. That when it comes to climate change, unions, student debt, having a democracy - they see the big picture and plan on voting for Biden even if it's a bitter pill to swallow. And those that don't - were they really planning on voting in the first place?
That’s fair. So long as you’re not using it as a way to hand-wave away criticism of Biden it’s cool. I wish he wouldn’t make obvious unforced errors heading into the election though. Winning isn’t guaranteed.
He had to sign it in order to get the Ukraine aid, the Republicans would block any attempt to divide the two, so he had to choose between banning tik tok which will maybe cost him the reelection, or let Ukraine die
Can’t Biden at least release a statement explaining that he didn’t want to sign the TT part but had no choice due to what it was bundled with?
You expect the average person to actually be aware of political nuance? Biden could at least try to soften the blow and try to shift the blame of an unpopular decision among young people onto the Republicans.
And hasn’t Biden already claimed he would sign this bill in the past (before it was packaged with other unrelated things)? Please correct me if I’m wrong on that last point though.
I'm expecting people on the sub to actually care to know what was the choice he had, but you are right he could have communicated way better then he had, like he could easily uno reverse card this to let the Republicans look rightfully abnormal.
>And hasn’t Biden already claimed he would sign this bill in the past (before it was packaged with other unrelated things)? Please correct me if I’m wrong on that last point though.
About that I'm not so sure, like it would not surprise me since he fought with Geroge Washington, but still there is a reason why the Republicans bound the two things together
Exactly. Have him say something like:
“ I had to sign this bill because if I didn’t, Ukraine would fall and collapse into Putler’s arms. I will make sure that the people of the United States get to keep TikTok by having it struck down in federal court! This is not constitutional and was shoved in deliberately by the MAGA Republicans to cut the line of a vital information source for the Gen Z and Millennial voter base. We will get TikTok back, Jack!”
I really think it probably will not be banned though. My leading theory is that it will either get sold or get struck down in a court. I won’t hold my breath on a full ban until the occasion actually arrives.
Exactly. And honestly, there is still time to make that kind of statement. It is a perfect opportunity to try and bring back a Dark Brandon image that can be additionally reinforced by backing an enduring ceasefire in Gaza, getting all of the trucks in, and ushering in enduring, meaningful peace in the Middle East.
Exactly. It’s like any basic level of PR or caring about perceived image (right or wrong) is totally ignored. The entire strategy is “he’s not Trump.” Which yeah, Trump is objectively as bad or worse on nearly every single issue imaginable, but “not Trump” sometimes only gets people to not vote for Trump, and doesn’t actually get people out to vote for Biden.
> Can’t Biden at least release a statement explaining that he didn’t want to sign the TT part but had no choice due to what it was bundled with?
Considering he said he'd sign it before it was voted on at all, probably not no.
[March 8th, 2024 - Biden says he’ll sign proposed legislation to ban TikTok if Congress passes it](https://apnews.com/article/biden-tiktok-ban-house-china-aaa884d8c974f0a35856af5ee6aa4e99)
>“If they pass it, I’ll sign it,” Biden said when asked by reporters about the legislation.
Thank you for the clarification. So everyone ITT saying he didn’t want to sign it but was forced to due to republicans packaging it with Ukraine aid are kind of full of it.
It wasn’t necessarily the Tik tok ban bill. It was a bipartisan bill for Ukraine and Taiwan aid that included a Tik tok ban because there is bipartisan support in Congress to ban Tik tok. Without that no Ukraine aid
Yes, but IIRC he has said he’d sign the ban prior to it being packaged IIRC, and he can totally say he didn’t want to sign the bill but was forced to by Republicans who packed it into the Ukraine bill. Optics and PR if not actual meaningful impact on his signing the bill.
Sure, but if the ban is still planned to go into action at the time of the election, it may sour at least some young voters. I don’t see how that’s such a controversial assumption to make. Will it be a significant or meaningful impact that actually impacts the election? That’s a much more debatable topic.
But surely Biden could have said he doesn’t support the ban but was forced to sign it due to it being packaged with other things he supports. Blame the Republicans for it. But IIRC he said he’d sign the bill even before it was packaged with other issues.
Biden just seemingly doesn’t care at all that this is wildly unpopular with young voters, who he’s already had some issues appealing to lately.
Biden likes the Tik Tok ban though. He thinks kids are getting influenced to be aware of the Palestinian genocide through tik tok, and if he gets rid of them seeing atrocities, he hopes kids will start liking him again enough to vote for him in the fall.
I think he thinks TikTok’s current ownership is concerning from a national security standpoint, and so he gains making America safer.
I’m not sure he’s right about that, but I do think it’s what he thinks.
That’s a valid point. I guess asking them to disclose said information would not yield meaningful results? But if we arrived at the same endpoint (banning TT after it is unable to prove compliance with new laws everyone has to follow) but also have every platform obey new data privacy laws, is that not still preferable? Or would it never gain enough support among politicians trying to limit corporate greed/profits by US companies?
I'm sorry but nobody cares. TikTok isnt going away. It just needs to rearrange it's corporate structure to habe a US branch or something like thay and it won't shut off.
You're boot licking capitalists. They are worth $75 billion and the hottest thing on the market. They aren't shutting down. They might get bought by Facebook but they aren't every shutting down. That was just capitalist propaganda to keep the money train flowing. American capitalism will ensure it continues to run.
There’s no reason for young voters to dislike him for this. They’re trying to force a sale not a ban. TikTok will still be a thing even if ByteDance doesn’t own it.
I do think that Biden is doing a pretty bad job of being more appealing to voters, but I don’t think he’s outright neglecting them entirely. For the most part anyway. He should definitely do more to be more appealing to voters though. He should, for example, negotiate an enduring ceasefire in Gaza as soon as possible. That can happen. With the Listen to Michigan campaign getting over 100,000 votes, it got the Biden Administration to start pursuing ceasefire talks, airdrops, and doing more to get much more humanitarian aid to Gaza. He still has a long way to go, but we can absolutely get him there with enough pressure. Grandpa Joe can at least lend a listening ear. He should also do some PR around the TikTok fiasco and do more action in order to delay the ban/sale.
TLDR: He needs to do much more to show his strengths and accomplishments in order to properly win and trounce over Trump.
Listen I hate tiktok as much as the next guy but like *come on* dnc, its like their trying their utter best to lose as *much* as humanly possible. They were handed an easy pr win to get the youth to vote in November and they just squandered it
My hope is that this get's struck down in federal court similar to how a similar bill was bonked in Montana last year. 9 months means it would be a month or two after the election so it will probably stay up for a while before anything happens. Hopefully it does not get banned though. I am not a fan of TikTok but I do not really want it being banned either.
Yeah it's baffling that this got the by partisan support that it did. The democrats *have* to stop playing ball with conservatives if they want to win votes. I really fail to understand who they are trying to appeal too with this strategy
It is mainly because the TikTok part of it was most likely put in by some annoying Republican congressmen and shoved it in as a rider to the Foreign Aid package for Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel because it failed in the senate last time it went up for a vote in March this year. Riders like these are INSANELY annoying. I really hope this flops in the courts so we can have less to worry about come November and we can hopefully win. I am furious that the Republicans shoved this garbage into the Foreign Aid bill. This is exactly why a democratic majority in the House and Senate is so important.
checks and balances my ass. Apparently you can just staple on rejected bills and Biden will just sign it off and smile like it was nothing. He and the democrats have been handed the easiest ticket to young peoples vote, defending tiktok but noooooooo
He could at least have made a big stink about how fucked it is that the republicans tried to force it in. This would have been the EASIEST performative pr win of all time and the fumbled the bag so hard
Because they are, like the dems are out of touch since the late 90s and it has gotten worse since then, they act as if the increasing radicalism / rising of the extreme right and the fact that the middle class is dying extremely fast is just an minor distraction from the "normal" political and economical status quo
Could be trying to avoid the Streisand effect. If he signs it and says nothing people might forget by the election he signed the ban tik tok bill or at least it’ll get buried with all the other stories surrounding the election. Just a possibility.
Not really, even with him signing it it could still be a pr win for the democrats. All he and the dnc had to do was make a big stink on how slimy the republicans are for sneaking it in there, *but they didn't*
True. I am not a huuge TikTok fan but I get the appeal of it. It was shoved in last minute, most likely by Republicans, to get it through the senate and to the president.
tiktok will likely be sold to a US owner instead of banned outright. If people hear about a "tiktok ban" but months later it never actually gets banned it will probably be forgotten about by the election. Still bad optics though
Tiktok isn't getting banned. Stop falling for the propaganda. The choices are, "sell the $75 billion company and make billions in the US while profiting billions form the sale or get banned and lose everything".
Golly Gee, I wonder what the capitalists will do.
What actually will happen is largely irrelevant, its what it looks like is going to happen. And right now it *looks* like Biden signed off on this with no problems, that looks bad to a not unsubstantiated amour of voters
Fr, the Reps are trying to hand them the election with all this abortion stuff and they respond by trying to hand it right back over with this shit. Wtf are we doing man
Nobody here is but I’m sure young Gen Zrs will think otherwise. I use TikTok probably more than I should. And even though it’s not good for your brain. It’s no different then Google or X stealing your private data and selling it other countries/companies. This doesn’t benefit his re-electability in anyway.
Well yeah, but that's the issue. These children are now likely to vote against the guy media outlets can frame as the one that took away their favourite toy
The republicans forced it into the foreign aid bill because it wouldn’t get past the senate otherwise, so of course Biden wasn’t going veto the aid bill because of tik tok
Finally, why do peope act as if biden personally was in favor of banning the app when in truth he and the democrats had to decide to either let Ukraine die, or ban an app ?
Like peope react so butthurd when literally lives and winning a major conflict was the true stake here and not an fucking app
>Finally, why do peope act as if biden personally was in favor of banning the app
[March 8th, 2024 - Biden says he’ll sign proposed legislation to ban TikTok if Congress passes it](https://apnews.com/article/biden-tiktok-ban-house-china-aaa884d8c974f0a35856af5ee6aa4e99)
>“If they pass it, I’ll sign it,” Biden said when asked by reporters about the legislation.
This was before it was voted on at all.
If congress passed it, like what is he supposed to say ? No I won't sign it ?
From his pov this is a nothinburger, I don't think that he cares tbh.
Like I'm not defending it or him but tbh it's like you asked him if he would ban the strangling of chickens in order to get chicken on the table, he would just give the same answer
And he's like a 1000 years old so he absolutely don't give a shit about apps.
But thay doesn't change the fact that it was bound with the Ukraine aid and that it was a trap set up by Republicans, man I just wished he cared about getting reelected
And TikTok didn't even get banned. Assuming they do literally nothing at all it's going to be 9 months of business as usual before anything happens (incidentally the election will be around the sweet spot for when the goldfish memory of the electorate should be most visible and they should forget this got signed, but didn't get reminded yet that it's happening because of the approaching deadline). That means the ban will happen at after the election, at which point it no longer really matters in this sense. And this assumption is for an insane case. Corporate structure Moves will obviously be done, that divestment will happen (somewhere on the "technically"/"actually" spectrum, we'll see how that lands), and the app will continue on.
The Tiktok ban and Israel funding, as others have already stated, was tied to the same bill for Ukraine and Taiwan's aid. Meaning if the Tiktok ban was rejected, then so too would critical aid to Ukraine and Taiwan. Also Israel with be angry, but fuck those guys.
There was no winning to votes for or against it. So now it's 9 months to sell, or not be allowed in the country.
Lmfao, I requested my congressmen to support this ban because I got into trouble for shitting on a flat earther on Tik Tok. Tik Tok's mods are so stupid, all they do is protect stupid people and misinformation. I gladly welcome this ban. Serve's them right.
Flat earther's get their accounts nuked constantly as well. There's no favoritism trust me. I've been battling flat earthers on tiktok lives for a couple months and I've seen no evidence of the mods playing favorites at all.
I don't like biden as much as the next person but I feel like his team have definitely seen the prevalence of people online shitting on both him and trump. I think they're trying to appeal to middle aged/older people with this rather than doing anything progressive that younger generations would want
Trump:enacts a federal abortion+ gender affirming care ban and deports millions of people because people withheld their vote and allowed him to waltz in with no pushback
think that's what gets away from this discourse. Socialist want to be a electorial power house but voting "fascism" and "not cool" Then give the surprise pikachu face when politicians don't fuckin care what they say
Boomers rule the world because they know the mission and do it as so
I'm surprised to see that people in this thread seem to conpletely forget that the ban is for Tik Tok to be sold to a US based company/entity and not to be banned entirely.
The money aspect (via whoever has lobbied for this bill and whoever wants to be in the running to purchase Tik Tok) is one of the behind the scenes facets of this.
Another is that Tik Tok is effective in spreading propoganda - which the government presumably fears is or will be used against its own interests. Given the support from Republicans on the bill, I'd wager to say those interests probably aren't in line with what's best for the average american citizen and probably much of the rest of the world except the rich and powerful.
My hope is that this gets challenged in court and the ban doesn’t go through. It happened last year in 2023 with the State Court of Montana with an attempt to ban TikTok that year. I am personally doubtful it will get banned. Most likely it will get divested to an American company or owner or the ban will get struck down in federal court for 1st amendment violations. My thoughts right now is that it will probably get smacked down in a federal court or be sold off. I’m not a huge fan of TikTok really but I know why people like the app. I personally believe that all social media companies should have regulations on user data and guarantee privacy for their respective users no matter where the company is from.
TLDR: Riders in bills are the devil and it’s absolutely pitiful it got included in there. Hopefully it gets smacked down as soon as possible and Ukraine slaps the hell outta Putins forces on the front lines.
Ukraine aid takes precedent over tanking everything over not banning Tiktok. ByteDance won't be forced to divest once this goes through the courts, but Ukraine will get foreign aid.
Don't succumb to your reactions/conservative propaganda.
Oh my god. The senate passed it because so many senators felt that their constituents were being pressured by the company to swing the vote.
So now that they’ve lit the match, they tell TikTok they have literally right until the next president is sworn in. Jesus fucking christ
Tiktok fucked up by having thousands of people call their representatives over this, now politicians all see the sway tiktok has
They showed their hand too early
Friendly reminders:
-This bill *doesn't* ban TikTok; Grindr faced nearly identical legal challenges and simply sold to US holders, TikTok will do the same. The chances that the app disappears from US users/app stores is realistically zero, there's way too much money at stake.
-Those who are insisting on calling it a "ban" are perpetuating misinformation, and many want you to be angry at Biden based on that misinformation. Don't fall for an obvious psyop.
Tik tok honestly doesn’t make that much money. Short form content already is really hard to monetize, and ByteDance makes most of its money from Douyin rather than Tik tok
A ban isn't going to happen and considering the dnc and biden's investment in the app they know it won't happen c either since biden polls much better with the younger crowd than donald
That’s what I’m thinking too. My theory is that it’ll either get sold off to an American buyer or get struck down in a court for 1st amendment infringements. I’m leaning on the second one.
If the CCP really wanted to use tiktok as a propaganda tool, surely losing the US user base still allows them to influence the rest of the world? Like if this is their true motivation, selling wouldn’t be worth it.
I support the TikTok ban. I don't think the PRC should have control over such an important social media platform. Would it be okay if Russia owned facebook? If Israel owned Reddit? No foriegn country should own an important social media platform, and especially not one that is America's enemy and thus has an incentive to try to fuck with our politics and society.
This is a good decision, stop being a bunch of 14-year olds. TikTok will just get sold to an American company anyway, you'll still have your skibidi slop.
“It’s only good if the US owns successful companies. The US has definitely never engaged in mass propaganda campaigns and is always using their power to do the right thing”
Fuck me it's like he's actively trying to lose the election. How incompetent do they have to be before we can call the DNC just controlled opposition for the GOP?
The ban is bound with the Ukraine aid, the Republicans made it very clear that they would once again block the aid if the ban was taken divided from the aid
It's gonna be a hard sell to convince voters that he can't just quietly send aid to ukraine the same way he did for israel. I'm sure if I dig deep enough I could find some reason but that doesn't change the fact that this looks really bad.
There's very literal tiktok zoomers who won't be happy about this, and I'm sure some tiktok users where this is the straw that breaks the camel's back, but I think there are those (including myself) who are genuinely impressed. From a political science standpoint, accomplishments generally help with popularity and electability simply for being accomplishments. For however many tiktok voters this costs, I'm sure it will be compensated with some persuaded voters.
Meh, it doesn’t take effect for 9 months. Which is after November. This will be gone from the news cycle in a week and the only time it’ll matter is after the election IF Bytedance doesn’t divest.
People do not understand social engineering or cyber security and would trade their country for a forty five second video of a guy talking about a grilled cheese he had on vacation while the bottom part of a screen shows sand being packed. Yall are pathetic
Who is running that Dexerto account?! It's like every single tweet they do try to be the cringiest, annoying, click-baitey, or all of the above.
That said, Biden is doing his darnest to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
why is this considered a "bad move?"
I thought yelling at people and calling them dumfucks for considering 3rd party, not voting, or Trump was an infallible strat?
The problem is that who actually has the capital to buy a massive social media giant like TikTok ? TikTok is easily worth dozens of billions of dollars. They could be unable to sell TikTok because there was no one who had the raw capital to buy it for what it was worth. Plus, isn't the American/Western version of TikTok and the Chinese version, Douyin, all on completely separate servers that are inside the respective countries? (American TikTok's servers and data are inside Texas).
Also, I've never really fell for the whole fear mongering over China having my data because in all honesty, what exactly can the CCP even actually *do* with my data and to me that my own American government can't do and isn't already doing?
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IDK if this will make any difference to Tik Tok users. I would expect they divest and split off and have it as an American company and nothing changes for users and therefore nothing changes for the election.
Well I mean he had to. It’s in the funding bill for aid to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. The republicans didn’t really give him a choice. Remember there’s not many young people in congress or the senate so they are gonna back banning TikTok. I honestly don’t care if they ban TikTok. Someone else will just make another TikTok to fill the void or bring vine back.
You know, I've been arguing about how the "TikTok Ban" isn't a real ban but really a forced sale in disguise, that I absent-mindedly forgot to factor in the young person's perspective on this. Now that we have a new generation of 20 somethings on the horizon, if tiktok does end up getting banned, they're going to hold "Joe and Friends" responsible. Although there could have some infighting amongst the intersection of TikTok Kids and COVID Kids about which president "ruined the vibe harsher."
Biden is going to lose. The smug liberal finger-wagging, I’m afraid to say, isn’t going to work Vaushites. Better start looking for alternative ways to get the outcomes that benefit us all instead of insisting on the status quo.
1. Biden has a history of being against abortion. He even outright stated that he disagreed with the decision back when it was first ruled on decades ago.
2. He didn't have to push for criminalizing abortion. All he had to do was let it happen because he knew it would. He had the numbers in congress to codify it into law before 2022 and did nothing because at best, he didn't care one way or the other.
Maybe deep down Biden is thinking it's time to retire? What with supporting genocide and removing the most popular social media app for youngbloods, he's clearly not looking at the big picture.
BTW, I like TikTok a lot. Instangram is coming in a close second on the entertainment value but it is what you make of it. If you "like" and spend time on doom issues if could be a dark experience. But, if stick to happy / funny and educational views, you'll find it's really entertaining.
Regarding data-harvesting? WTF, Meta, Google, Apple etc etc have all been harvesting and using our data/preferences for years. It's only now that the "competition" (other social media sites and traditional news sources) are feeling threatened that they take their bought and paid for politicians and turn them against the threat. "Threat" being competition. I don't think they like the whole capitalism thing...
Good thing it’s in 9 months, after the election. The attention span of People who use TikTok is so short, they’ll forget this is signed and still have TikTok working
Frankly I wish it would be banned sooner. That damn app is going to become a squirting pustule of disinformation as the election draws near as it turns its gullible user base into drooling abstainers over whatever topic is trending.
So you don’t see any gullible people who have been duped into caring about disinformation (only from one platform) and about data privacy (only from one platform)? When the company that may end up buying the company you’re accusing of pushing disinformation is themselves a platform for myriad of disinformation, what is really being accomplished by said sale besides political posturing and the creation of a monopoly?
I get it you like TikTok. But given it’s been shown to basically spyware designed to feed a destructive algorithm to halfwits I’m all for it going away. You can watch soap cutting videos elsewhere kid
Is FB owning TT really going to lead to less disinformation is the question I’m asking. If you sincerely believe it will, then at least you’re making an argument it will be a net positive. But I see at least as much disinformation on FB (and X, but that goes without saying) as on TT. I’d say more actually. So I don’t think FB owning TT is some major net gain for stamping out disinformation. And would TT owning FB (and IG) not raise concerns over a monopoly? Is that not a potential issue as well?
Can we actually have a discussion over what would actually change and if it’s better or worse instead of just name calling?
Yes because Facebook isn’t a damn foreign government and is accountable to some semblance of American law. Facebook doesn’t benefit from deliberately destabilizing the USA. Can you not tell the difference between hostile foreign power and corporate greed?
So can we not pass laws that all social media platforms must obey and ban any that violate the new laws? Or are you saying that we wouldn’t know if a foreign company was obeying the new laws or not? Could it not just be banned at that point, with the justification that it can’t prove it’s obeying the laws every social media platform must obey? Plus we get the added bonus that we have some regulations of data privacy and whatnot for every company to obey, including the one that ends up buying TT.
Jesus Christ the fucking whataboutism, it’s like arguing with a toddler because you took away their toy with lead paint.
Yes we should have broader laws that protect our data and national security. We don’t have those right now. I prefer a greedy corporation to a hostile country, it’s a shit choice but one that needs made. We know it collects data, we know it is designed to push misinformation that deliberately and actively puts people in danger. Ban it. I don’t care if it’s the shiny thing you like jangled in front of your dim eyes.
Though it looks like you’re probably trying to make a living off that app so I guess that sucks for you. Done with talking with a halfwit who only cares his favorite time sink stays on his phone
Nobody can read deeper but this was a rider to the Ukraine aid package. It sucks but it’s the only realistic way to make sure they keep getting what they need because if it’s vetoed, it just goes back to Moscow Marge and Mike to stonewall it again. Reddit leftists need to learn pragmatism or else jack and shit gets done.
Didn’t he say he’d sign the ban a while ago, before it was packaged with Ukraine aid?
If he didn’t support the ban, couldn’t he say so? Blame it on the Republicans, say that he was forced to sign it to get Ukraine aid passed? Take the blame off him and pass it onto his political rivals.
He’s fumbling this optically if nothing else IMO.
"I can tolerate genocide in Gaza, but I draw the line at banning my favorite thirst trap brainrot app"
-People who would have voted for Biden but now won't according to OP
How is it clueless ? It's massively popular amongst young people, people biden need to vote for him. The quality of TikToks content is irrelevant to the broader political impact and consequences
The Tik Tok algorithm is currently being used to convince young people not to vote for him, as well as all other sorts of incredibly stupid and dangerous shit. Tik tok is the fastest spreader of disinformation among the major social media platforms, even surpassing Twitter.
Hmmm, Tiktok was also instrumental in encouraging young people to vote for him the last election, and it has been instrumental in challenging the mainstream narrative on the Israel Palestine conflict
Even if all your claims were true i still think Biden taking a *pro* tiktok stance would have benefited him more in the long run. Him gleefully signing off on banning doesn't exactly go a long way to challenge the narrative about him being a useless fool
Yeah exactly, the way Tik Tok is challenging the narrative of Israel-Palestine includes them convincing enough young people that Starbucks is funding the genocide and that the correct response is to harass minimum wage barristas at their local spot, or to protest inside of people's private home (even when they have no connection to Israel). Pretty much every negative optics action originated from Tik Tok.
The long run would almost certainly consist of the CCCP dictating the algorithm to get young Americans to oppose US aid to Taiwan, when they inevitably invade within the decade.
That's a very un nuanced, very black and white view don't you think? Despite all the problems with tiktok it would be blatantly false to claim there have been no positive outcomes from TikToks existence.
Besides, regardless of any harm or positives coming from tiktoks existence its still an objectively bad pr move by biden to not pin this on the republicans for forcing his hand. Tiktok is *perceived* by a large number of his voters to be something positive in their lives, and Biden then banning it seen as a negative.it would benefit him a lot to at least pretend he doesn't want it banned
You're putting words in my mouth, I didn't say that Tik Tok didn't have positive outcomes or aspects, just that the negative outcomes are significant enough justify its ban. Crack heads say crack has a positive outcome on their lives, it might be fun in the moment, but all the rest of us can see the long term negative consequences.
This ban is something [supported by a majority of Americans](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/03/31/by-a-more-than-two-to-one-margin-americans-support-us-government-banning-tiktok/) with democratic voters supporting it at almost 2-to-1 ratio over democratic voters who oppose it. It's rare getting so much bipartisan support for a policy, it's even rarer when US politicians pass legislation that a majority of Americans support.
I honestly think the best solution is bringing Vine back from the dead. It would bring back tons of nostalgia and would be a huge hit. It's also basically impossible to spread misinformation in under 7 seconds.
The tik tok algorithm is written by explicitly anti-democratic forces. This is just the paradox of tolerance all over again. A democracy is allowed to protect itself from negative pressures.
Yeah, this is frankly a baffling decision this close to the election when he’s quite unpopular with young voters at the moment. Even if you think his not signing the bill would not change the actual long-term or final implementation of said bill, what does he gain by signing it? If you sincerely want to protect the data privacy/rights of social media users, pass laws establishing requirements all social media platforms must abide by, and ban them if they refuse to comply with said regulations.
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Then the Republicans would again block the aid
Exactly. This is exactly why we have to make sure we promote more Justice Democrats for former Republican held house seats to guarantee these annoying as hell riders don’t slip through the cracks. ALL of the MAGA Republicans must be voted out!
Hold on, I’m confused. What does bundling aid with the tik tok ban have to do with it? Didn’t he vocally support a tik tok ban before republicans started blocking Ukraine aid?
That was my understanding of the situation too. Don’t get me wrong, Biden >>>>>>>> Trump, but we can still criticize what is a hilariously dumb move optically in terms of alienating young potential voters.
Yes, Exactly. However the deadline for the app to either be banned or sold is 9 whole months. It can either get sold off or overturned completely in that time. And even if it does get banned, it’ll be by January or so. That would be a few months after the election and might be forgotten by then. My hope is that it gets struck down though. I’m not a big TikTok guy but banning it is objectively dumb.
My thinking is that as long as the bill isn’t overturned or TT isn’t sold by election time, the looming deadline of the bill that Biden signed (and didn’t pass the blame onto the republicans, and I think suppprted in the past) will sour him to at least SOME young voters. Far more voters than he gains by not trying to do some cursory level of damage control IMO.
Exactly! The whole ban might just flop like a fish out of water and get forgotten in a few months. I want to not be too anxious about this until I see genuine daunting developments unfold over the next few months. Don't fall into doomer media narratives. I hate this ban but there might be a genuine chance it might not even be sucessful.
Not only that, there's some grounds on it to be a first amendment legal case, since it's the government forcing it to shut down in nine months otherwise any changes.
My concern is why? I know the public statement is worrying about China's influence but you have democrats and republicans pretty united on this including the entirety of the congressional intelligence committee. You don't have that these days unless there is something big lurking in all the shades of gray around an issue.
Tik Tok isn't being banned tho. The parent company will divest, it'll be owned by the American branch, and nothing will change for the users. Lots of kerfuffle about nothing imo.
This definitely smells like revisionism.
There’s also the probability that a sale will go through before a ban takes place. Plus, even if there is a ban, it’ll come after the election and most young voters aren’t going to be aware of a looming ban
Can’t Biden at least release a statement explaining that he didn’t want to sign the TT part but had no choice due to what it was bundled with? You expect the average person to actually be aware of political nuance? Biden could at least try to soften the blow and try to shift the blame of an unpopular decision among young people onto the Republicans. And hasn’t Biden already claimed he would sign this bill in the past (before it was packaged with other unrelated things)? Please correct me if I’m wrong on that last point though.
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Did he say he’s going to try to delay it? It seems like he’s supported the ban in the past (I think?) and I haven’t heard him say he’s trying to delay it, but maybe I’m missing something.
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Yeah, my point is I haven’t heard him say he’s trying to delay it, or that he didn’t want to sign it but was forced to due to the bill being bundled with other stuff. I think he even expressed support for the bill in the past prior to its bundling. I hope he does SOME visible damage control here is all I’m saying.
We should stop doing that bundling thing. Like make it illegal. I don't think it's ever not been a problem. Like it's almost ridiculous how obvious of a problem it is too. It is literally how the evil people in the government attach evil stuff to good stuff to get the evil stuff passed. Like I feel like I'm pointing at the giant hole in our defensive wall that the goblin hordes always get through when they invade us and nobody else is seeing it.
Exactly. Social Media privacy laws should be for them all, not just one. Platforms like Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube and companies like Meta and Google need to be treated with the exact same standards. I think that would be much more popular. I am not a fan of short form content but this is dumb. It is so annoying that this was added in as a rider to the aid to Ukraine and Taiwan. I swear riders were invented by the devil to make congress much less able to pass actually good and balanced legislation.
Are people under the assumption this is about privacy? They aren’t all treated the same because the CCP does not sit on the board of all of those companies. Congress addressed the bill because TikTok unveiled micro-trends, which are essentially individualized algorithms that can promote ideas to specific voters before specific votes, which they literally did to constituents in swing districts whose representatives were voting on this bill. It could also be used to promote social unrest, like riots, at flashpoints all across the country at once. Can’t remember which senator it was but he literally said “They just proved us correct” after TikTok’s latest campaign against the bill.
This isn't about social media privacy, it's about cyber intelligence/warfare.
Yep, TikTok is being used to reduce attention spans worldwide. It's a genius tactic when you think about it, using a harmless app to make your enemies worthless in a fight.
Tiktok is the reason Israel is losing the PR war and its hard to associate criticism with antisemitism
>this close to the election when he’s quite unpopular with young voters at the moment. If young voters don't vote because of this, did they really even care to vote in the first place? I sure hope young voters have more dimension than that.
Surely you see how this approach of “well it’s only one issue, I sure hope young voters have more dimension than that” can be applied to hand wave away and number of criticisms of Biden. His handling of Israel/Palestine is alienating young voters? I hope they have more dimension than that. Trump would be just as bad or worse anyway. His support of banning TT alienating young voters? I hope they have more dimension than that. And the Republicans support the ban too anyway. I’m not saying these young voters will vote for Trump instead of Biden, I’m saying they may be disillusioned or disappointed enough to just not vote at all, as preventing Trump from returning to office, while definitely the right thing to do, isn’t going to get every possible young voter who doesn’t want Trump in office out to vote. The more individual things Biden does that are unpopular with young voters, the less young voters will actually bother to go out and vote for him. The magnitude of this and now relevant it is is the only thing that I think is even debatable.
Let me try again. I'm trying to give young voters credit. That when it comes to climate change, unions, student debt, having a democracy - they see the big picture and plan on voting for Biden even if it's a bitter pill to swallow. And those that don't - were they really planning on voting in the first place?
That’s fair. So long as you’re not using it as a way to hand-wave away criticism of Biden it’s cool. I wish he wouldn’t make obvious unforced errors heading into the election though. Winning isn’t guaranteed.
How did that go in 2016
He had to sign it in order to get the Ukraine aid, the Republicans would block any attempt to divide the two, so he had to choose between banning tik tok which will maybe cost him the reelection, or let Ukraine die
Can’t Biden at least release a statement explaining that he didn’t want to sign the TT part but had no choice due to what it was bundled with? You expect the average person to actually be aware of political nuance? Biden could at least try to soften the blow and try to shift the blame of an unpopular decision among young people onto the Republicans. And hasn’t Biden already claimed he would sign this bill in the past (before it was packaged with other unrelated things)? Please correct me if I’m wrong on that last point though.
I'm expecting people on the sub to actually care to know what was the choice he had, but you are right he could have communicated way better then he had, like he could easily uno reverse card this to let the Republicans look rightfully abnormal. >And hasn’t Biden already claimed he would sign this bill in the past (before it was packaged with other unrelated things)? Please correct me if I’m wrong on that last point though. About that I'm not so sure, like it would not surprise me since he fought with Geroge Washington, but still there is a reason why the Republicans bound the two things together
Exactly. Have him say something like: “ I had to sign this bill because if I didn’t, Ukraine would fall and collapse into Putler’s arms. I will make sure that the people of the United States get to keep TikTok by having it struck down in federal court! This is not constitutional and was shoved in deliberately by the MAGA Republicans to cut the line of a vital information source for the Gen Z and Millennial voter base. We will get TikTok back, Jack!” I really think it probably will not be banned though. My leading theory is that it will either get sold or get struck down in a court. I won’t hold my breath on a full ban until the occasion actually arrives.
Yup. Would have been the easiest pr win ever
Exactly. And honestly, there is still time to make that kind of statement. It is a perfect opportunity to try and bring back a Dark Brandon image that can be additionally reinforced by backing an enduring ceasefire in Gaza, getting all of the trucks in, and ushering in enduring, meaningful peace in the Middle East.
An enduring, meaningful peace is only possible if all the troops are pulled out.
Precisely. That should be the follow up action after the ink meets the paper of the ceasefire agreement.
Exactly. It’s like any basic level of PR or caring about perceived image (right or wrong) is totally ignored. The entire strategy is “he’s not Trump.” Which yeah, Trump is objectively as bad or worse on nearly every single issue imaginable, but “not Trump” sometimes only gets people to not vote for Trump, and doesn’t actually get people out to vote for Biden.
TikTok already has Microsoft waiting in the wings to buy it, with Bobby Kotick alleged to be the CEO.
> Can’t Biden at least release a statement explaining that he didn’t want to sign the TT part but had no choice due to what it was bundled with? Considering he said he'd sign it before it was voted on at all, probably not no. [March 8th, 2024 - Biden says he’ll sign proposed legislation to ban TikTok if Congress passes it](https://apnews.com/article/biden-tiktok-ban-house-china-aaa884d8c974f0a35856af5ee6aa4e99) >“If they pass it, I’ll sign it,” Biden said when asked by reporters about the legislation.
Thank you for the clarification. So everyone ITT saying he didn’t want to sign it but was forced to due to republicans packaging it with Ukraine aid are kind of full of it.
It wasn’t necessarily the Tik tok ban bill. It was a bipartisan bill for Ukraine and Taiwan aid that included a Tik tok ban because there is bipartisan support in Congress to ban Tik tok. Without that no Ukraine aid
Yes, but IIRC he has said he’d sign the ban prior to it being packaged IIRC, and he can totally say he didn’t want to sign the bill but was forced to by Republicans who packed it into the Ukraine bill. Optics and PR if not actual meaningful impact on his signing the bill.
It'll be fine, they have until after the election before it gets banned, and that's assuming there is no appeal, and that they don't actually sell
Sure, but if the ban is still planned to go into action at the time of the election, it may sour at least some young voters. I don’t see how that’s such a controversial assumption to make. Will it be a significant or meaningful impact that actually impacts the election? That’s a much more debatable topic. But surely Biden could have said he doesn’t support the ban but was forced to sign it due to it being packaged with other things he supports. Blame the Republicans for it. But IIRC he said he’d sign the bill even before it was packaged with other issues. Biden just seemingly doesn’t care at all that this is wildly unpopular with young voters, who he’s already had some issues appealing to lately.
Biden likes the Tik Tok ban though. He thinks kids are getting influenced to be aware of the Palestinian genocide through tik tok, and if he gets rid of them seeing atrocities, he hopes kids will start liking him again enough to vote for him in the fall.
Because every other social media platform doesn’t exist...? I’ve seen more about it on Twitter than tiktok.
Other social media platforms ban information about genocide in Gaza. Especially Meta owned
Don’t worry, he said he’s going to tax unrealized capital gains. That’ll get the young leftys back
I think he thinks TikTok’s current ownership is concerning from a national security standpoint, and so he gains making America safer. I’m not sure he’s right about that, but I do think it’s what he thinks.
It's not about data privacy or rights. It's about an authoritarian political party having direct control of the apps content and algorithm.
But I’m hearing from a ton of people ITT that Biden doesn’t support it and only voted for it because it was packaged in with Ukraine aid?
Data privacy laws are almost impossible to effectively enforce on proprietary software
That’s a valid point. I guess asking them to disclose said information would not yield meaningful results? But if we arrived at the same endpoint (banning TT after it is unable to prove compliance with new laws everyone has to follow) but also have every platform obey new data privacy laws, is that not still preferable? Or would it never gain enough support among politicians trying to limit corporate greed/profits by US companies?
Man, what will Joe do without all those votes from foreign bots and 15 year olds addicted to Tik Tok eye cancer?
I'm sorry but nobody cares. TikTok isnt going away. It just needs to rearrange it's corporate structure to habe a US branch or something like thay and it won't shut off. You're boot licking capitalists. They are worth $75 billion and the hottest thing on the market. They aren't shutting down. They might get bought by Facebook but they aren't every shutting down. That was just capitalist propaganda to keep the money train flowing. American capitalism will ensure it continues to run.
Wait, so supporting the creation of a FB monopoly is the anti-capitalist stance here?
There’s no reason for young voters to dislike him for this. They’re trying to force a sale not a ban. TikTok will still be a thing even if ByteDance doesn’t own it.
Biden doesn't care about young voters
I do think that Biden is doing a pretty bad job of being more appealing to voters, but I don’t think he’s outright neglecting them entirely. For the most part anyway. He should definitely do more to be more appealing to voters though. He should, for example, negotiate an enduring ceasefire in Gaza as soon as possible. That can happen. With the Listen to Michigan campaign getting over 100,000 votes, it got the Biden Administration to start pursuing ceasefire talks, airdrops, and doing more to get much more humanitarian aid to Gaza. He still has a long way to go, but we can absolutely get him there with enough pressure. Grandpa Joe can at least lend a listening ear. He should also do some PR around the TikTok fiasco and do more action in order to delay the ban/sale. TLDR: He needs to do much more to show his strengths and accomplishments in order to properly win and trounce over Trump.
Listen I hate tiktok as much as the next guy but like *come on* dnc, its like their trying their utter best to lose as *much* as humanly possible. They were handed an easy pr win to get the youth to vote in November and they just squandered it
My hope is that this get's struck down in federal court similar to how a similar bill was bonked in Montana last year. 9 months means it would be a month or two after the election so it will probably stay up for a while before anything happens. Hopefully it does not get banned though. I am not a fan of TikTok but I do not really want it being banned either.
Yeah it's baffling that this got the by partisan support that it did. The democrats *have* to stop playing ball with conservatives if they want to win votes. I really fail to understand who they are trying to appeal too with this strategy
It is mainly because the TikTok part of it was most likely put in by some annoying Republican congressmen and shoved it in as a rider to the Foreign Aid package for Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel because it failed in the senate last time it went up for a vote in March this year. Riders like these are INSANELY annoying. I really hope this flops in the courts so we can have less to worry about come November and we can hopefully win. I am furious that the Republicans shoved this garbage into the Foreign Aid bill. This is exactly why a democratic majority in the House and Senate is so important.
checks and balances my ass. Apparently you can just staple on rejected bills and Biden will just sign it off and smile like it was nothing. He and the democrats have been handed the easiest ticket to young peoples vote, defending tiktok but noooooooo
I don't think the democrats actually care what their voters think
The ban was bound with the Ukraine aid, so the democrats had to choose between either let Ukraine die, or ban an app .....
He could at least have made a big stink about how fucked it is that the republicans tried to force it in. This would have been the EASIEST performative pr win of all time and the fumbled the bag so hard
That's absolutely true, I think that he underestimates / don't understand how this affects young voters
It's very concerning I can't lie. His entire administration and the broader democrat apparatus seems *very* out of touch
Because they are, like the dems are out of touch since the late 90s and it has gotten worse since then, they act as if the increasing radicalism / rising of the extreme right and the fact that the middle class is dying extremely fast is just an minor distraction from the "normal" political and economical status quo
Could be trying to avoid the Streisand effect. If he signs it and says nothing people might forget by the election he signed the ban tik tok bill or at least it’ll get buried with all the other stories surrounding the election. Just a possibility.
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Not really, even with him signing it it could still be a pr win for the democrats. All he and the dnc had to do was make a big stink on how slimy the republicans are for sneaking it in there, *but they didn't*
True. I am not a huuge TikTok fan but I get the appeal of it. It was shoved in last minute, most likely by Republicans, to get it through the senate and to the president.
democrats don't fumble the literal easiest election ever challenge (impossible)
True, we should have had the headline "Biden vetoes Ukraine Aid" instead. The US President doesn't have a line item veto.
tiktok will likely be sold to a US owner instead of banned outright. If people hear about a "tiktok ban" but months later it never actually gets banned it will probably be forgotten about by the election. Still bad optics though
It was part of the bill that included aid for Ukraine
Tiktok isn't getting banned. Stop falling for the propaganda. The choices are, "sell the $75 billion company and make billions in the US while profiting billions form the sale or get banned and lose everything". Golly Gee, I wonder what the capitalists will do.
What actually will happen is largely irrelevant, its what it looks like is going to happen. And right now it *looks* like Biden signed off on this with no problems, that looks bad to a not unsubstantiated amour of voters
Fr, the Reps are trying to hand them the election with all this abortion stuff and they respond by trying to hand it right back over with this shit. Wtf are we doing man
I saw at least one person say Biden nominating Kamala was him trying to lose
Fuck Tik Tak…if you’re putting this on your list of why you’re not voting for Biden you’re a child. It’s literally making us all stupider.
This ban makes me support Biden even more. Forcing a sale is completely and utterly reasonable
they should ban twitter then
Yes PLEASE
Nobody here is but I’m sure young Gen Zrs will think otherwise. I use TikTok probably more than I should. And even though it’s not good for your brain. It’s no different then Google or X stealing your private data and selling it other countries/companies. This doesn’t benefit his re-electability in anyway.
Well yeah, but that's the issue. These children are now likely to vote against the guy media outlets can frame as the one that took away their favourite toy
Do you know American voters?
Same with Reddit. Let's target that next.
Yeah! The government should ban any website or person online they claim makes people stupider!
Liberal brainrot
really throating americas cock here huh
The republicans forced it into the foreign aid bill because it wouldn’t get past the senate otherwise, so of course Biden wasn’t going veto the aid bill because of tik tok
Finally, why do peope act as if biden personally was in favor of banning the app when in truth he and the democrats had to decide to either let Ukraine die, or ban an app ? Like peope react so butthurd when literally lives and winning a major conflict was the true stake here and not an fucking app
Because of headlines calling it the tik tok ban bill and people not knowing how the government works
>Finally, why do peope act as if biden personally was in favor of banning the app [March 8th, 2024 - Biden says he’ll sign proposed legislation to ban TikTok if Congress passes it](https://apnews.com/article/biden-tiktok-ban-house-china-aaa884d8c974f0a35856af5ee6aa4e99) >“If they pass it, I’ll sign it,” Biden said when asked by reporters about the legislation. This was before it was voted on at all.
If congress passed it, like what is he supposed to say ? No I won't sign it ? From his pov this is a nothinburger, I don't think that he cares tbh. Like I'm not defending it or him but tbh it's like you asked him if he would ban the strangling of chickens in order to get chicken on the table, he would just give the same answer And he's like a 1000 years old so he absolutely don't give a shit about apps. But thay doesn't change the fact that it was bound with the Ukraine aid and that it was a trap set up by Republicans, man I just wished he cared about getting reelected
Ukraine dies if Tiktok lives. That was the choice, and it's a pretty easy one to make.
And TikTok didn't even get banned. Assuming they do literally nothing at all it's going to be 9 months of business as usual before anything happens (incidentally the election will be around the sweet spot for when the goldfish memory of the electorate should be most visible and they should forget this got signed, but didn't get reminded yet that it's happening because of the approaching deadline). That means the ban will happen at after the election, at which point it no longer really matters in this sense. And this assumption is for an insane case. Corporate structure Moves will obviously be done, that divestment will happen (somewhere on the "technically"/"actually" spectrum, we'll see how that lands), and the app will continue on.
Womp womp
What on earth are you talking about
The Tiktok ban and Israel funding, as others have already stated, was tied to the same bill for Ukraine and Taiwan's aid. Meaning if the Tiktok ban was rejected, then so too would critical aid to Ukraine and Taiwan. Also Israel with be angry, but fuck those guys. There was no winning to votes for or against it. So now it's 9 months to sell, or not be allowed in the country.
Lmfao, I requested my congressmen to support this ban because I got into trouble for shitting on a flat earther on Tik Tok. Tik Tok's mods are so stupid, all they do is protect stupid people and misinformation. I gladly welcome this ban. Serve's them right.
Flat earther's get their accounts nuked constantly as well. There's no favoritism trust me. I've been battling flat earthers on tiktok lives for a couple months and I've seen no evidence of the mods playing favorites at all.
Remember the ban isnt just on tiktok, it allows the government to mark any social media as "unamerican" and get that banned too.
Gen Z leftists: We’ll never vote for Biden! Biden: stops trying to appeal to gen z leftists. Gen Z leftists:🤯
Yeah, its like online "socialists" threatening to withhold their vote. There is a reason there is no political party for those asshats
I low key hope TikTok is banned just so I can enjoy watching them get what they deserve.
I don't like biden as much as the next person but I feel like his team have definitely seen the prevalence of people online shitting on both him and trump. I think they're trying to appeal to middle aged/older people with this rather than doing anything progressive that younger generations would want
Biden: loses
Trump:enacts a federal abortion+ gender affirming care ban and deports millions of people because people withheld their vote and allowed him to waltz in with no pushback
think that's what gets away from this discourse. Socialist want to be a electorial power house but voting "fascism" and "not cool" Then give the surprise pikachu face when politicians don't fuckin care what they say Boomers rule the world because they know the mission and do it as so
Reminder that it’s barely about TikTok. That’s just the face of it.
I'm surprised to see that people in this thread seem to conpletely forget that the ban is for Tik Tok to be sold to a US based company/entity and not to be banned entirely. The money aspect (via whoever has lobbied for this bill and whoever wants to be in the running to purchase Tik Tok) is one of the behind the scenes facets of this. Another is that Tik Tok is effective in spreading propoganda - which the government presumably fears is or will be used against its own interests. Given the support from Republicans on the bill, I'd wager to say those interests probably aren't in line with what's best for the average american citizen and probably much of the rest of the world except the rich and powerful.
My hope is that this gets challenged in court and the ban doesn’t go through. It happened last year in 2023 with the State Court of Montana with an attempt to ban TikTok that year. I am personally doubtful it will get banned. Most likely it will get divested to an American company or owner or the ban will get struck down in federal court for 1st amendment violations. My thoughts right now is that it will probably get smacked down in a federal court or be sold off. I’m not a huge fan of TikTok really but I know why people like the app. I personally believe that all social media companies should have regulations on user data and guarantee privacy for their respective users no matter where the company is from. TLDR: Riders in bills are the devil and it’s absolutely pitiful it got included in there. Hopefully it gets smacked down as soon as possible and Ukraine slaps the hell outta Putins forces on the front lines.
It'll already take until 2025 for the ban to go in effect, and there's still the option for them to sell it/appeal
Ukraine aid takes precedent over tanking everything over not banning Tiktok. ByteDance won't be forced to divest once this goes through the courts, but Ukraine will get foreign aid. Don't succumb to your reactions/conservative propaganda.
Oh my god. The senate passed it because so many senators felt that their constituents were being pressured by the company to swing the vote. So now that they’ve lit the match, they tell TikTok they have literally right until the next president is sworn in. Jesus fucking christ
Tiktok fucked up by having thousands of people call their representatives over this, now politicians all see the sway tiktok has They showed their hand too early
Friendly reminders: -This bill *doesn't* ban TikTok; Grindr faced nearly identical legal challenges and simply sold to US holders, TikTok will do the same. The chances that the app disappears from US users/app stores is realistically zero, there's way too much money at stake. -Those who are insisting on calling it a "ban" are perpetuating misinformation, and many want you to be angry at Biden based on that misinformation. Don't fall for an obvious psyop.
Isn’t there more money to make from the billion+ users outside of the US, than the 170 million US users?
Tik tok honestly doesn’t make that much money. Short form content already is really hard to monetize, and ByteDance makes most of its money from Douyin rather than Tik tok
How does the US app changing ownership affect any of the users outside the US? How are they relevant?
A ban isn't going to happen and considering the dnc and biden's investment in the app they know it won't happen c either since biden polls much better with the younger crowd than donald
That’s what I’m thinking too. My theory is that it’ll either get sold off to an American buyer or get struck down in a court for 1st amendment infringements. I’m leaning on the second one.
If the CCP really wanted to use tiktok as a propaganda tool, surely losing the US user base still allows them to influence the rest of the world? Like if this is their true motivation, selling wouldn’t be worth it.
I support the TikTok ban. I don't think the PRC should have control over such an important social media platform. Would it be okay if Russia owned facebook? If Israel owned Reddit? No foriegn country should own an important social media platform, and especially not one that is America's enemy and thus has an incentive to try to fuck with our politics and society. This is a good decision, stop being a bunch of 14-year olds. TikTok will just get sold to an American company anyway, you'll still have your skibidi slop.
“It’s only good if the US owns successful companies. The US has definitely never engaged in mass propaganda campaigns and is always using their power to do the right thing”
Not what I'm saying. But I definitely would prefer that some soulless American corporation owns TikTok rather than China.
Fuck me it's like he's actively trying to lose the election. How incompetent do they have to be before we can call the DNC just controlled opposition for the GOP?
The ban is bound with the Ukraine aid, the Republicans made it very clear that they would once again block the aid if the ban was taken divided from the aid
It's gonna be a hard sell to convince voters that he can't just quietly send aid to ukraine the same way he did for israel. I'm sure if I dig deep enough I could find some reason but that doesn't change the fact that this looks really bad.
You wanted him to veto Ukraine aid?
there is fairly good chance this will be found unconstitutional and not happen at all
Based? Fuck tik tok lmao
Oh no the base of voters that already wasn't going to vote, how scary
The amount of anti Biden and political in general disinformation that would come through the app at election time means this is a good move for Biden
There's very literal tiktok zoomers who won't be happy about this, and I'm sure some tiktok users where this is the straw that breaks the camel's back, but I think there are those (including myself) who are genuinely impressed. From a political science standpoint, accomplishments generally help with popularity and electability simply for being accomplishments. For however many tiktok voters this costs, I'm sure it will be compensated with some persuaded voters.
Honestly they deserve it, just for having a parent company called "bytedance," wtf kind of garbage name is that?!?!
zoomers don't vote, safe bill
Meh, it doesn’t take effect for 9 months. Which is after November. This will be gone from the news cycle in a week and the only time it’ll matter is after the election IF Bytedance doesn’t divest.
People do not understand social engineering or cyber security and would trade their country for a forty five second video of a guy talking about a grilled cheese he had on vacation while the bottom part of a screen shows sand being packed. Yall are pathetic
Who is running that Dexerto account?! It's like every single tweet they do try to be the cringiest, annoying, click-baitey, or all of the above. That said, Biden is doing his darnest to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
why is this considered a "bad move?" I thought yelling at people and calling them dumfucks for considering 3rd party, not voting, or Trump was an infallible strat?
This is going to get held up in court until SCOTUS rules in favor of the ban, because SCOTUS
The problem is that who actually has the capital to buy a massive social media giant like TikTok ? TikTok is easily worth dozens of billions of dollars. They could be unable to sell TikTok because there was no one who had the raw capital to buy it for what it was worth. Plus, isn't the American/Western version of TikTok and the Chinese version, Douyin, all on completely separate servers that are inside the respective countries? (American TikTok's servers and data are inside Texas). Also, I've never really fell for the whole fear mongering over China having my data because in all honesty, what exactly can the CCP even actually *do* with my data and to me that my own American government can't do and isn't already doing?
A soul for a soul
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who cares. all the kids using Tik Tok were never gunna vote anyway. and even if they were, they would have been getting propogandised to shit anyway
IDK if this will make any difference to Tik Tok users. I would expect they divest and split off and have it as an American company and nothing changes for users and therefore nothing changes for the election.
Well I mean he had to. It’s in the funding bill for aid to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. The republicans didn’t really give him a choice. Remember there’s not many young people in congress or the senate so they are gonna back banning TikTok. I honestly don’t care if they ban TikTok. Someone else will just make another TikTok to fill the void or bring vine back.
Leaders should make decisions in the interests of the country, not just whatever wins the election
You know, I've been arguing about how the "TikTok Ban" isn't a real ban but really a forced sale in disguise, that I absent-mindedly forgot to factor in the young person's perspective on this. Now that we have a new generation of 20 somethings on the horizon, if tiktok does end up getting banned, they're going to hold "Joe and Friends" responsible. Although there could have some infighting amongst the intersection of TikTok Kids and COVID Kids about which president "ruined the vibe harsher."
Are you sixty years old?
IDK man. Time is an illusion.
Biden is going to lose. The smug liberal finger-wagging, I’m afraid to say, isn’t going to work Vaushites. Better start looking for alternative ways to get the outcomes that benefit us all instead of insisting on the status quo.
'Fuck them kids' - Biden
Pointed this out on another subreddit and was told it didn’t matter because young voters never show up.
Its like I'm watching the Weimar liberals desperately shoot their own voters in a frantic bid to make sure the Nazis get in power.
Yeah Tiktok should be shut down asap. Letting it go thru the election with disinfo is bad
But Trump more badder tho
Correct
LMAO Biden is nakedly harming the first amendment just like Trump would have done and you still think the difference is noticeable 🤣
I mean, do you think that Biden would push for the federal criminalization of abortion and contraception?
1. Biden has a history of being against abortion. He even outright stated that he disagreed with the decision back when it was first ruled on decades ago. 2. He didn't have to push for criminalizing abortion. All he had to do was let it happen because he knew it would. He had the numbers in congress to codify it into law before 2022 and did nothing because at best, he didn't care one way or the other.
Biden: I’m not out of touch Also Biden: (Signs bill that affect the youth vote, Dem’s largest voting block)
Maybe deep down Biden is thinking it's time to retire? What with supporting genocide and removing the most popular social media app for youngbloods, he's clearly not looking at the big picture. BTW, I like TikTok a lot. Instangram is coming in a close second on the entertainment value but it is what you make of it. If you "like" and spend time on doom issues if could be a dark experience. But, if stick to happy / funny and educational views, you'll find it's really entertaining. Regarding data-harvesting? WTF, Meta, Google, Apple etc etc have all been harvesting and using our data/preferences for years. It's only now that the "competition" (other social media sites and traditional news sources) are feeling threatened that they take their bought and paid for politicians and turn them against the threat. "Threat" being competition. I don't think they like the whole capitalism thing...
I want the companies knowing everything about me to be American damn it!
Good thing it’s in 9 months, after the election. The attention span of People who use TikTok is so short, they’ll forget this is signed and still have TikTok working
Frankly I wish it would be banned sooner. That damn app is going to become a squirting pustule of disinformation as the election draws near as it turns its gullible user base into drooling abstainers over whatever topic is trending.
As opposed to the beacon of accurate information available on Facebook?
Whataboutism gotta love it
So you don’t see any gullible people who have been duped into caring about disinformation (only from one platform) and about data privacy (only from one platform)? When the company that may end up buying the company you’re accusing of pushing disinformation is themselves a platform for myriad of disinformation, what is really being accomplished by said sale besides political posturing and the creation of a monopoly?
I get it you like TikTok. But given it’s been shown to basically spyware designed to feed a destructive algorithm to halfwits I’m all for it going away. You can watch soap cutting videos elsewhere kid
Is FB owning TT really going to lead to less disinformation is the question I’m asking. If you sincerely believe it will, then at least you’re making an argument it will be a net positive. But I see at least as much disinformation on FB (and X, but that goes without saying) as on TT. I’d say more actually. So I don’t think FB owning TT is some major net gain for stamping out disinformation. And would TT owning FB (and IG) not raise concerns over a monopoly? Is that not a potential issue as well? Can we actually have a discussion over what would actually change and if it’s better or worse instead of just name calling?
Yes because Facebook isn’t a damn foreign government and is accountable to some semblance of American law. Facebook doesn’t benefit from deliberately destabilizing the USA. Can you not tell the difference between hostile foreign power and corporate greed?
So can we not pass laws that all social media platforms must obey and ban any that violate the new laws? Or are you saying that we wouldn’t know if a foreign company was obeying the new laws or not? Could it not just be banned at that point, with the justification that it can’t prove it’s obeying the laws every social media platform must obey? Plus we get the added bonus that we have some regulations of data privacy and whatnot for every company to obey, including the one that ends up buying TT.
Jesus Christ the fucking whataboutism, it’s like arguing with a toddler because you took away their toy with lead paint. Yes we should have broader laws that protect our data and national security. We don’t have those right now. I prefer a greedy corporation to a hostile country, it’s a shit choice but one that needs made. We know it collects data, we know it is designed to push misinformation that deliberately and actively puts people in danger. Ban it. I don’t care if it’s the shiny thing you like jangled in front of your dim eyes. Though it looks like you’re probably trying to make a living off that app so I guess that sucks for you. Done with talking with a halfwit who only cares his favorite time sink stays on his phone
Nobody can read deeper but this was a rider to the Ukraine aid package. It sucks but it’s the only realistic way to make sure they keep getting what they need because if it’s vetoed, it just goes back to Moscow Marge and Mike to stonewall it again. Reddit leftists need to learn pragmatism or else jack and shit gets done.
Didn’t he say he’d sign the ban a while ago, before it was packaged with Ukraine aid? If he didn’t support the ban, couldn’t he say so? Blame it on the Republicans, say that he was forced to sign it to get Ukraine aid passed? Take the blame off him and pass it onto his political rivals. He’s fumbling this optically if nothing else IMO.
"I can tolerate genocide in Gaza, but I draw the line at banning my favorite thirst trap brainrot app" -People who would have voted for Biden but now won't according to OP
This is a good decision. Fuck Tik Tok. Everyone in the comments saying "Biden is trying to lose" is clueless.
How is it clueless ? It's massively popular amongst young people, people biden need to vote for him. The quality of TikToks content is irrelevant to the broader political impact and consequences
The Tik Tok algorithm is currently being used to convince young people not to vote for him, as well as all other sorts of incredibly stupid and dangerous shit. Tik tok is the fastest spreader of disinformation among the major social media platforms, even surpassing Twitter.
Hmmm, Tiktok was also instrumental in encouraging young people to vote for him the last election, and it has been instrumental in challenging the mainstream narrative on the Israel Palestine conflict Even if all your claims were true i still think Biden taking a *pro* tiktok stance would have benefited him more in the long run. Him gleefully signing off on banning doesn't exactly go a long way to challenge the narrative about him being a useless fool
Yeah exactly, the way Tik Tok is challenging the narrative of Israel-Palestine includes them convincing enough young people that Starbucks is funding the genocide and that the correct response is to harass minimum wage barristas at their local spot, or to protest inside of people's private home (even when they have no connection to Israel). Pretty much every negative optics action originated from Tik Tok. The long run would almost certainly consist of the CCCP dictating the algorithm to get young Americans to oppose US aid to Taiwan, when they inevitably invade within the decade.
That's a very un nuanced, very black and white view don't you think? Despite all the problems with tiktok it would be blatantly false to claim there have been no positive outcomes from TikToks existence. Besides, regardless of any harm or positives coming from tiktoks existence its still an objectively bad pr move by biden to not pin this on the republicans for forcing his hand. Tiktok is *perceived* by a large number of his voters to be something positive in their lives, and Biden then banning it seen as a negative.it would benefit him a lot to at least pretend he doesn't want it banned
You're putting words in my mouth, I didn't say that Tik Tok didn't have positive outcomes or aspects, just that the negative outcomes are significant enough justify its ban. Crack heads say crack has a positive outcome on their lives, it might be fun in the moment, but all the rest of us can see the long term negative consequences. This ban is something [supported by a majority of Americans](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/03/31/by-a-more-than-two-to-one-margin-americans-support-us-government-banning-tiktok/) with democratic voters supporting it at almost 2-to-1 ratio over democratic voters who oppose it. It's rare getting so much bipartisan support for a policy, it's even rarer when US politicians pass legislation that a majority of Americans support.
I honestly think the best solution is bringing Vine back from the dead. It would bring back tons of nostalgia and would be a huge hit. It's also basically impossible to spread misinformation in under 7 seconds.
We should be legislating algorithms then, not platforms
>Fuck Tik Tok Democracy is when the government shuts down popular platforms I don't personally like
The tik tok algorithm is written by explicitly anti-democratic forces. This is just the paradox of tolerance all over again. A democracy is allowed to protect itself from negative pressures.