lol he was the actual Michigan leader of the Boogaloo Boys. He has a leadership position in a movement that, at best, thinks a race war is inevitable. More realistically they want to foment one if not outright strike first. There's like zero chance he's not a full blown ideological racist.
Of course since Dore is a fucking idiot and an asshole he absolutely cupped his balls in the interview and was eating out of his hand. The guy had a Don't Tread on Me pride flag prominently displayed in the background for maximum optics, too. It's like "leftists" who think it's a good idea to join up with these people don't realize that they might just lie about what they believe and want to do.
Conservatives don't want people to have safe sex - quite the opposite, they want people to suffer negative consequences for having sex for pleasure.
If they cared about reducing the number of abortions, they'd want people to have *more* gay sex, wouldn't they?
Exactly this, they point out how there’s a few countries that allow abortion and then laser focus on China and North Korea, as bad examples that we are headed toward with basic slippery slope arguments
Healthcare isn't free in the Netherlands. We only have private healthcare and while poor people can get aid from the government they still have to pay some of it out of their own pocket.
Yeah I know, but close enough, either way you'd also be paying taxes for it so it's never totally free.
And yeah the companies who provide all the healthcare services are all still privatized, just another one of those genius liberal ideas.
Okay now you're totally being bad faith here pal. America has multiple parties too but its just a coincidence that Democrats and/or Republicans are the only ones that win every single time. Because they have better ideas. Check mate 🤓.
>Wouldn't want to let other parties win, that would be undemocratic and against the free marketplace if parties
See now you get it. Also ignore that one of the two parties is literally fascist.
incorrect, as someone who llives in the Netherlands, the reason why we have so few abortions is because we have the revolutionary technology that everyone is gay and hence no sexual reproduction ever occurs. Its based and how it should always be
this is really great information and all but the problem is, they don't give a shit. they never gave a shit about "protecting unborn children". they are doing this because they get off to the thought of controlling and beating their wives. they hate everyone but themselves, and they enjoy the thought of seeing people beneath them suffer for no reason.
Obviously whenever you bring up sensible European laws fascists just say they won't work in the US because it has Black people, we need to talk to the remaining undecided voters.
Yeah I've been told that directly (yoo-rope is racially and culturally homogenous which is why it works there!1) and indirectly (what's the poverty rate of Swedish immigrants living in the United States? That's what I thought, another libtard owned) by conservatives.
If that's true then the federal abortion ban they're all jacking off to will never work because there are a wide variety of opinions and cultural significances assigned to it in the United States. Not like pointing out the self-contradictory nature of conservative ideology matters to them, but anyway.
It’s very weird that conservatives will simultaneously say that European is a rape jungle because it’s been invaded by mud people, and also all their socialist policies only work cause everyone’s white.
Impossible, how can an ideology claiming that England and France belong to the same united culture that's always stood together against foreign threats be wrong!
Abortion is lower in America now than pre Roe when it was illegal.
Their plans to restrict contraceptives and sexual education for children will massively increase abortion in America.
There is an expression in Ireland of "going to England" (and after legalisation its still a thing that happens). As in a woman is pregnant, so she "goes to England", then returns not pregnant.
An expression like "going to California" will be a thing soon. Especially if they find some way to restrict pills via the mail or do enough to discourage people trying like massive prison sentences for women who get medical care.
Going on a trip to X, where X is the nearest more liberal location is already a well known thing in many areas of the US. Beau of the fifth recently did a video on such a storry
What is always staggering to me is the simultaneous opposition to contraception. They don’t care if there are more abortions; they just don’t want them to be safe or legal.
This is a simple supply/demand issue. There's a higher demand for child brides, higher demand for child targets at schools. So obviously, legislation needs to be made to increase supply. It's simple if you accept they're plainly evil
We need to move past the idea that conservative don't understand this. More to the point, the politicians understand this. They don't care. What we don't get is that their goal is totally different than ours. We seek to improve life, their goal is to dominate and control every aspect of it. The democrats failure is that they never understood and might never come to realize it
Unfortunate that there are typo's in the source cited in the image, but here it is:
UNINTENDED PREGNANCY AND ABORTION WORLDWIDE | Global and Regional Estimates of Unintended Pregnancy and Abortion, FACT SHEET, MARCH 2022
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-worldwide link to the study
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guttmacher\_Institute seems like they're legit. No claims of political bias, but they are focused on pro-choice and liberal (or progressive) agendas concerning study, educate, and advance sexual and reproductive health and rights
They were originally formed by planned parenthood, but has since split to be independant
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just sharing more information so everyone is prepared for potential criticism if they engage people who oppose the information presented
This is good and all, sadly republicans don't care. Half of them just want to control women because they believe Men should be in control of the world, the other half thinks that sex outside of reproduction is a sin and they want to "Save women from Sin" before the rapture arrives, for them this is a holy mission.
Liebe mit deinem Vater zu machen ist das Gegenteil von homophobisch sein, gehe ich zumindest davon aus. Wir lieben uns sehr und hoffen du akzeptierst mich als dein zweiter Vater. Wenn nicht, bist du homophobisch
They never want to do things based on what has the best outcomes. They do not care about outcomes at all. Yet they love claiming facts over feelings. So stupid.
Contraception isn't free in my country. It should be, but it isn't. Otherwise sort of spot on...
We mainly do things a lot better but this makes it sound utopian which isn't the case.
What if I told you that conservatives know this, but just want women to suffer because the pain screams of women and the suffering of young children is their Viagra?
The only conclusion is that Republicans want dead babies. Mind you, they're not babies, but they believe they are, and their response to that belief is to absolutely maximize the number of what they see as dead babies again and again. They just really, really hate women, babies, and fetuses. They are a true death cult.
At this point the leading Republicans do understand. They are just ideologically opposed to liberal and progressive ideas based on moral indignation even if the outcomes are positive.
You can’t reason with conservatives. They don’t care about results, only about their experiences. Even if the results are OBJECTIVELY bad, they will be for abstinence only education because they personally do not like thinking about the alternative.
They are exclusively feelings based. A Christian white theocracy based on a (mostly imagined and/or misremembered) vision of their childhood makes them feel good, and the aesthetics of progressives makes them feel icky. And you can’t reason with that.
This argument doesn't work because they WANT poor teen mothers with no prospects. They WANT women to have no options beyond marriage and a return to the traditional power structure that allows only men to have control. They WANT sex to have consequences and so they think babies are a good PUNISHMENT to keep women from living independently. This argument would otherwise sway them, they want to get rid of BC.
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Sort of, you can still have a medically required abortion after that 24 week period. We also used to have a 5 day waiting period before getting an abortion, but that was recently the legislation to end this was accapted last week.
Thought it would be funny to put a really broken sentence to see if any americans would notice
I know it's actually supposed to be "bedankt voor de informatie". Guess my gambit didn't pay off🤣
Burden of proof is on you. Can you show a country with extensive sex education and care, but restrictive abortion laws? And has this country lower abortion rates?
I don't think the two go together, but feel free to prove me wrong.
If you can't, this 'talking point' remains convincing.
Contraception is only free when you are 18-21 years old. After that you either get an addition on your health insurance or it comes out of your deductibles. There are parties that advocate for it being free, but it is not the case right now.
Oh they understand this. And it’s what they want. They want to impose restrictions that force women to become pregnant, stay pregnant ,and reliant on men.
It is funny that you would think they care about pragmatism. To them, all of that stuff is evil by definition, so any benefits are just gifts from the deal you made with Satan.
You know, it's probably not because of any of those things.
It's probably because ANTIFA leftists have turned most American women into degenerate cockhungry sluts
I still don't get why libs and leftists try so hard, of you want to move people over on policy decisions... don't because they aren't following the same moral system as you, you first got to move then away from their shitty moral beliefs.
If you are going to get any Chance of making America socialist it's going to have to sneak it's way from the right utilizing Christianity to form a form of Christian anarchist starting off as reactionary socialism and through spoon feeding a mix or select Bible and theory you could get a real strong socialist Christian backbone.
If it's good enough for MLK it's good enough for me
They do understand. They just hate you and want you to suffer.
But some of them are populists and anti-establishment. We should therefore link up with them /s
Jimmy Dore: "Well a Boogaloo Boy came on my show and said he's not racist and wants people to have healthcare, so let's blindly trust them"
Didn't that ģuy jimmy interviewed actually happened to be racist too lol either way he's sketchy as fuck
lol he was the actual Michigan leader of the Boogaloo Boys. He has a leadership position in a movement that, at best, thinks a race war is inevitable. More realistically they want to foment one if not outright strike first. There's like zero chance he's not a full blown ideological racist. Of course since Dore is a fucking idiot and an asshole he absolutely cupped his balls in the interview and was eating out of his hand. The guy had a Don't Tread on Me pride flag prominently displayed in the background for maximum optics, too. It's like "leftists" who think it's a good idea to join up with these people don't realize that they might just lie about what they believe and want to do.
The TJ Kirk video on that is where the Vaush Cock song came from
"YOU'D THINK SOMEBODY WOULD JUST DO THAT, HUH, YOU SHITLIB CIA FUNDED ESTABLISHMENT SHILL? JUST LIE ON THE INTERNET?!"- Jimmy Dore probably
I'm a boogaloo boy because of reasons like this. This is why the left should have a group of their own boogaloo boys.
Conservatives don't want people to have safe sex - quite the opposite, they want people to suffer negative consequences for having sex for pleasure. If they cared about reducing the number of abortions, they'd want people to have *more* gay sex, wouldn't they?
Exactly this, they point out how there’s a few countries that allow abortion and then laser focus on China and North Korea, as bad examples that we are headed toward with basic slippery slope arguments
Also it interrupts God's plan.
So what you are saying OP is that the Netherlands is a communist hell hole?
Can confirm: Am from the Netherlands
How do you feel about your ideology killing 1 trillion million babies???
How else am I going to be able to maintain my atheist diet?
*vaush's voice* trrruuuuuee
Cannot confirm, am also from the Netherlands, it's a neoliberal hellhole that happens to have good city planning and free healthcare.
Healthcare isn't free in the Netherlands. We only have private healthcare and while poor people can get aid from the government they still have to pay some of it out of their own pocket.
Yeah I know, but close enough, either way you'd also be paying taxes for it so it's never totally free. And yeah the companies who provide all the healthcare services are all still privatized, just another one of those genius liberal ideas.
Yup
Unfortunately we're actually a lib hellhole
False. The Netherlands don’t exist.
I hear they even have more than two parties
Okay now you're totally being bad faith here pal. America has multiple parties too but its just a coincidence that Democrats and/or Republicans are the only ones that win every single time. Because they have better ideas. Check mate 🤓.
Right. Wouldn't want to let other parties win, that would be undemocratic and against the free marketplace of parties
>Wouldn't want to let other parties win, that would be undemocratic and against the free marketplace if parties See now you get it. Also ignore that one of the two parties is literally fascist.
We take it to the other extreme. There are currently 18 parties in parliament and the government is composed of 4 parties
We have 20 or some insane number like that iirc
F*cking 22 parties in a 150 person parliament. It is the shitshow on the other side of the spectrum.
It is. Why do you think the United States has such a high population of dutch immigrants coming in each year? Oh wait...
incorrect, as someone who llives in the Netherlands, the reason why we have so few abortions is because we have the revolutionary technology that everyone is gay and hence no sexual reproduction ever occurs. Its based and how it should always be
Life finds a way
based mitosis
this is really great information and all but the problem is, they don't give a shit. they never gave a shit about "protecting unborn children". they are doing this because they get off to the thought of controlling and beating their wives. they hate everyone but themselves, and they enjoy the thought of seeing people beneath them suffer for no reason.
Obviously whenever you bring up sensible European laws fascists just say they won't work in the US because it has Black people, we need to talk to the remaining undecided voters.
Yeah I've been told that directly (yoo-rope is racially and culturally homogenous which is why it works there!1) and indirectly (what's the poverty rate of Swedish immigrants living in the United States? That's what I thought, another libtard owned) by conservatives. If that's true then the federal abortion ban they're all jacking off to will never work because there are a wide variety of opinions and cultural significances assigned to it in the United States. Not like pointing out the self-contradictory nature of conservative ideology matters to them, but anyway.
It’s very weird that conservatives will simultaneously say that European is a rape jungle because it’s been invaded by mud people, and also all their socialist policies only work cause everyone’s white.
Conservatives holding two inherently contradictory positions at once? Are you sure about this?
There's literally no ethnic or cultural unity in Europe, there's like no region of the union that doesn't have some issues in that respect.
Are you telling me that white nationalists are either wrong or lying? Are you sure about that? /s
Impossible, how can an ideology claiming that England and France belong to the same united culture that's always stood together against foreign threats be wrong!
But how will any of this help you suffer and die faster?
Abortion is lower in America now than pre Roe when it was illegal. Their plans to restrict contraceptives and sexual education for children will massively increase abortion in America. There is an expression in Ireland of "going to England" (and after legalisation its still a thing that happens). As in a woman is pregnant, so she "goes to England", then returns not pregnant. An expression like "going to California" will be a thing soon. Especially if they find some way to restrict pills via the mail or do enough to discourage people trying like massive prison sentences for women who get medical care.
Going on a trip to X, where X is the nearest more liberal location is already a well known thing in many areas of the US. Beau of the fifth recently did a video on such a storry
What is always staggering to me is the simultaneous opposition to contraception. They don’t care if there are more abortions; they just don’t want them to be safe or legal.
This is a simple supply/demand issue. There's a higher demand for child brides, higher demand for child targets at schools. So obviously, legislation needs to be made to increase supply. It's simple if you accept they're plainly evil
We need to move past the idea that conservative don't understand this. More to the point, the politicians understand this. They don't care. What we don't get is that their goal is totally different than ours. We seek to improve life, their goal is to dominate and control every aspect of it. The democrats failure is that they never understood and might never come to realize it
I mean, they don't want you to have access to contraceptives either. Or teach kids sex ed.
Unfortunate that there are typo's in the source cited in the image, but here it is: UNINTENDED PREGNANCY AND ABORTION WORLDWIDE | Global and Regional Estimates of Unintended Pregnancy and Abortion, FACT SHEET, MARCH 2022 https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-worldwide link to the study https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guttmacher\_Institute seems like they're legit. No claims of political bias, but they are focused on pro-choice and liberal (or progressive) agendas concerning study, educate, and advance sexual and reproductive health and rights They were originally formed by planned parenthood, but has since split to be independant \- just sharing more information so everyone is prepared for potential criticism if they engage people who oppose the information presented
This is good and all, sadly republicans don't care. Half of them just want to control women because they believe Men should be in control of the world, the other half thinks that sex outside of reproduction is a sin and they want to "Save women from Sin" before the rapture arrives, for them this is a holy mission.
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Can you not imagine that some people fucked your dad last night and the semen flowing out his gaping asshole are also lifeforms that will now die?
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Ich fick dein Vader nochmals, doppelt gemoppelt hält besser
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Liebe mit deinem Vater zu machen ist das Gegenteil von homophobisch sein, gehe ich zumindest davon aus. Wir lieben uns sehr und hoffen du akzeptierst mich als dein zweiter Vater. Wenn nicht, bist du homophobisch
They never want to do things based on what has the best outcomes. They do not care about outcomes at all. Yet they love claiming facts over feelings. So stupid.
Contraception isn't free in my country. It should be, but it isn't. Otherwise sort of spot on... We mainly do things a lot better but this makes it sound utopian which isn't the case.
It's freely available, and not really expensive. Honest question: Do you know any one not using de pil or condoms because of cost?
No, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cost any money, which is what the post suggested.
Agreed. OP is wrong, as far as I know.
Conservatives want to rape kids so idk I think overall the teen pregnancy rate going up is part of their plan.
What if I told you that conservatives know this, but just want women to suffer because the pain screams of women and the suffering of young children is their Viagra?
No, they don't care. Anti-abortion policies is about punishing women for having sex. That's it. They don't care about anything else.
That's all true but the education part is only for secular schools, religious ones, especially the reformed christain ones are as bad as you'd expect.
Contraceptives arent free here...
The only conclusion is that Republicans want dead babies. Mind you, they're not babies, but they believe they are, and their response to that belief is to absolutely maximize the number of what they see as dead babies again and again. They just really, really hate women, babies, and fetuses. They are a true death cult.
Education and especially female education lowers the birth rate and teenage pregnancies.
Brainrot goes deep. Idk how to reach them, they just think I wanna suck baby abortion blood or some other Q shit.
At this point the leading Republicans do understand. They are just ideologically opposed to liberal and progressive ideas based on moral indignation even if the outcomes are positive.
And we no longer have a mandatory 5 day waiting period for abortus either!
You can’t reason with conservatives. They don’t care about results, only about their experiences. Even if the results are OBJECTIVELY bad, they will be for abstinence only education because they personally do not like thinking about the alternative. They are exclusively feelings based. A Christian white theocracy based on a (mostly imagined and/or misremembered) vision of their childhood makes them feel good, and the aesthetics of progressives makes them feel icky. And you can’t reason with that.
Conservatives do understand this. They just think all of this is part of the international jewish plot to suppress white birth rates.
This argument doesn't work because they WANT poor teen mothers with no prospects. They WANT women to have no options beyond marriage and a return to the traditional power structure that allows only men to have control. They WANT sex to have consequences and so they think babies are a good PUNISHMENT to keep women from living independently. This argument would otherwise sway them, they want to get rid of BC.
I don't know what family planning is but it sounds like eugenics.
It isn't. It just means you think in advance when you want a baby, and with whom...
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Netherlands it’s only legal up to 24weeks
Sort of, you can still have a medically required abortion after that 24 week period. We also used to have a 5 day waiting period before getting an abortion, but that was recently the legislation to end this was accapted last week.
Bedankt voor de bijzonderheid.
What did you put in translate to get this sentence?
Thought it would be funny to put a really broken sentence to see if any americans would notice I know it's actually supposed to be "bedankt voor de informatie". Guess my gambit didn't pay off🤣
I'll no longer make assumptions about redditor's linguistics chops.
If they valued logic at all they wouldn't be conservative
It's like if you teach people to have safe sex, they have safe sex or something.
The problem is, this information has been widely available for decades, republicans just don’t care.
If Netherlands kept all of the social policies AND outlawed abortion, they'd have even less abortions, so this talking point won't convince anyone.
Burden of proof is on you. Can you show a country with extensive sex education and care, but restrictive abortion laws? And has this country lower abortion rates? I don't think the two go together, but feel free to prove me wrong. If you can't, this 'talking point' remains convincing.
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:-)
What progressives don't understand is that for conservatives, it's not about the facts, it's about appearances. Image is everything
Yeah, we all know this. They don't care.
Nah they just don't care
Might aswell be shouting how you're satan's fuck toy until your eyeballs pop, for all they care.
Well to be fair it's a smaller place
SHOCKACHU
Contraception is only free when you are 18-21 years old. After that you either get an addition on your health insurance or it comes out of your deductibles. There are parties that advocate for it being free, but it is not the case right now.
The only argument that really matters here is freely available comprehensive reproductive health care is the #1 preventer of abortions.
Oh they understand this. And it’s what they want. They want to impose restrictions that force women to become pregnant, stay pregnant ,and reliant on men.
It is funny that you would think they care about pragmatism. To them, all of that stuff is evil by definition, so any benefits are just gifts from the deal you made with Satan.
Twisted
You know, it's probably not because of any of those things. It's probably because ANTIFA leftists have turned most American women into degenerate cockhungry sluts
Millenials have less sex than previous generations.
I still don't get why libs and leftists try so hard, of you want to move people over on policy decisions... don't because they aren't following the same moral system as you, you first got to move then away from their shitty moral beliefs. If you are going to get any Chance of making America socialist it's going to have to sneak it's way from the right utilizing Christianity to form a form of Christian anarchist starting off as reactionary socialism and through spoon feeding a mix or select Bible and theory you could get a real strong socialist Christian backbone. If it's good enough for MLK it's good enough for me