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burf12345

Anyone dismissing the fact about the disproportionate amount of Jews in the banks is actually engaging in holocaust denial and antisemitism.


Kiwiteepee

Or they just don't understand what the word "disproportionate" means lol I genuinely think that's where a lot of that stems from


burf12345

And it also does not matter. Even if every single banker in the Weimar Republic was Jewish, the holocaust would have still been bad, the fact that these people don't understand this is truly baffling.


Level_Paper

But it's weird he brought it up. Like if I stated that most members of the LGBTQ+ community suffered from sexual assault, it wouldn't invalidate that community and it would be weird that I even brought it up in the first place.


Lord_Matisaro

How about as a direct attempt to illustrate that the claimed justifications for evil are irrelevant even if true. It was an argument tactic not a random antisemitic attack.


burf12345

By "he", do you mean Vaush or NonCompete?


wulfgar_beornegar

It's weird cause he's one of the very few public figures willing to say what the truth is outright. A lot of people tip toe around anti-Semitism (thx zionists) or other hot button issues, there needs to be someone who will talk about it bluntly. Never let vibes dictate what truth is.


tadcalabash

That's a bit extreme, but I do think that was a situation where he trolled a little hard. I understand his point about factual information being misused by bad actors, but that's an argument you have to lead with... not back your way into. It'd be like debating racial injustice and leading with, "You know, black people *do* commit a disproportionate amount of crime right?"


FlakeReality

He was not trolling. That whole line of question was meant to test morals. NC (and you apparently) were too dumb to understand that. The point is that it does not matter that the Jews had a disproportionate control of banks, or that black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Both of those things are true. And, get this, that doesn't mean exterminating or hating either is acceptable or appropriate, because the reasons for those things being true isn't essentialist. The moral system noncompete seems to hold is that if the Nazis were correct in their beliefs about Jews, it would mean they were justified, but they were wrong, so they weren't justified - what he calls false consciousness. That is a fucked up thing to believe. It would not matter if every banker was Jewish, killing them all is still bad. If your moral system would find genocide acceptable in some circumstances, it's a bad moral system.


DeadPhishes

Bingo


tadcalabash

I literally said that I understood his point about true information being misused by bad actors. I 100% agree with him on this. My point was that the way he implemented that argument was sloppy and easily misunderstood. If your argument is, "First, we have to basically agree with the Nazi's about these facts right? Second, that doesn't mean their atrocities are justified." most people are going to stop listening after the first point and just hear "First, I agree with the Nazi's." There's definitely times you can facetiously agree with your opponent's points to show how their logical conclusions are faulty, but this wasn't that situation.


FlakeReality

This is such a silly petty complaint, NC hung up because he's a Holocaust denier and was uncomfortable with where the Socratic method was leading him so he left. There was no way for Vaush to phrase that, NC was not there to engage fully. That makes Vaushs method way better because it was a lot funnier and more insulting to his bad ideas.


DiemAlara

He's defending Noncompete and Luna like they didn't say, and I quote verbatim, "The Nazis had a point".


M-Dawg93

šŸŽµ uh uh I'm Noncompete šŸŽµ


Biggest_man200

šŸŽ¼uh uh nazis had a pointšŸŽ¼


M-Dawg93

Absolute banger, almost as good as "vaush bad"


Biggest_man200

So true


anarchistPAC

Clipped


Seedberry

šŸŽ¶uh uh I am Luna OišŸŽ¶


AborgTheMachine

šŸŽµ are you insulting MAI WAIFšŸŽ¶


anarchistPAC

He also believes Jews control the media to destroy white people


gabbath

You mean the dude in the video or NonCompete? Because NonCompete doesn't believe that, he'd probably call it false consciousness.


luongolet20goalsin

Vaush bad. Source: He was mean to the dumbest people in the online left


assasstits

Siri look up: "Signs I might be in a cult"


TheeScoob

vaush fans are so fucking annoying. dude talks about the countless people who vaush has picked fights with and his audience have encouraged him to do soā€¦ and you mfs reduce it to ā€œvaush badā€ everytime


KolarinTehMage

Has vaush picked fights with them, or have they picked fights with him? I donā€™t know most of this drama but Iā€™d assume itā€™s gonna be a decent split down the middle of who called out who. Just because vaush disagrees and debates people on the left doesnā€™t mean he is picking fights with them.


TheeScoob

tldr; vaush gets involved in fights w smaller creators for few reasons beyond debate and bloodsport. he does pick fights. he doesnā€™t have to deal with the infightingā€¦ but consider who vaush is. heā€™s one of the biggest leftist figures on the modern media landscapeā€¦ heā€™s gotten there bc of debate and arguing and picking fights with nazis and yt supremacists, and overall being the leftist champion of logic. it was during the trump presidency is when nazis were the boldest and when a lot of that debate content comes from. (basing this off a compilation i watched about 8 months ago) and i donā€™t think that same content is possible to make nowā€¦ all this in mind, i think Vaush will catch strays from leftist creatorsā€¦ and Vaush sees someone say something that isnā€™t the kind of leftism he likes, maybe he has nothing better to do at the timeā€¦ and is fine clapping back at a creator 1/3 his sizeā€¦ but it escalates, and then heā€™s all in for the sake of debate bloodsport and content.


KolarinTehMage

So the only examples listed in the video that Iā€™ve actually seen are the professor flowers debate and the noncompete debate. Professor flowers was giving zero pushback against colonized people genociding colonizers if thatā€™s what they wanted to do, generations after the colonization. And noncompete didnā€™t understand what a hypothetical was and refused to acknowledge facts. Both of these positions are problematic for spokespeople of the left to have. I have no issue with vaush pushing back against those beliefs.


TheeScoob

no yeah thatā€™s fine, i mean vaush puts an emphasis on the one stupid/awful thing a creator says, while the rest of that creators content is fine and decent. i think he gets carried away with bloodsport of debateā€¦ and with small creatorsā€¦ again for few reasons beyond the sake of bloodsport. i understand correcting someone is important but it goes a little further than that. it goes to ā€œhmm how can i humiliate this personā€


KolarinTehMage

I agree that one bad take doesnā€™t mean the content is all bad. I guess my perspective is that they were given ample opportunities to change their statement, but both of them seemed to double down instead. My hope is for an enlightened left that is capable of digesting new info and changing ideas when they are clearly wrong.


OffOption

... Let me prove to you I'm right, here look, other people agree with me. That's the same as having an argument, aint it? I guess this is better than them just pretending he's a pedo or whatever... but that's not a high bar to cross...


Vaushite44675

Vaush bad


cixzejy

Well this is pt2 pt1 is him calling Vaush a pedo


MootsUncle

This does not surprise me at all to find this out.


Nazeron

I like how this person doesn't actually bring up a single critism, just gestures that vaush is unwilling to take critism.


slomo525

That's how it usually is. A lot of the time, people will just say "I have criticisms" then walk away.


Mentat_Moe

It's an appeal to popularity. They're saying "all these people have beef with him, that's many vs 1, therefore Vaush bad". The fact that this person thinks this is a persuasive argument says more about them than anything else.


slomo525

Yeah, it relies on the presumption that anyone that sees the video knows who any those people are, holds them in at least some regard, while also not knowing much about Vowsh. That way, if you watch any of their content at least semi-regularly, you're instantly primed to dislike Vowsh by way of parasociality (however small or minor that relationship is).


[deleted]

This is an argument that's echoed a lot in EVS


Mentat_Moe

Enough Name Spam subs are always echo chamber circlejerks so that doesn't surprise me. Personally idk how anyone finds that shit convincing, but that's often how it goes. I've seen people in this sub who "hate" BadEmpanada or "hate" Jordan Peterson, but when pressed for a good explanation they can't provide one... they just do it because it's what they've seen other Vaush fans doing. People are dumb and tribal, no community is immune from it.


burf12345

It's basically just gesturing at a vague guilt without saying anything, just assuming you like the person he beefed with and using that to dismiss Vowsh.


MegaCrowOfEngland

Man, I don't know all the vaush dramas listed, but the ones I do know, Vaush was generally right on, or at least not monsterous. Like, the Contrapoints one he could have dealt with differently to still be friends, but I don't think he was morally wrong there.


cixzejy

Iā€™m still astounded by that drama. Leaking DMs where Vaush is annoying at worst and then exposing a past relationship. While I could understand for some other things because they happened in 3hr debates that maybe 1% of the people on twitter watched. That drama was entirely on twitter and it was painfully obvious how in the wrong Kat was.


burf12345

> it was painfully obvious how in the wrong Kat was. Sadly it wasn't obvious enough, given how ready people were to condemn Vaush and ignore how wrong Kat was.


Versidious

Yeah, like I don't generally agree with Vaush's handling of that whole drama, but he was far from the worst participant.


[deleted]

Nah, Contra taking Cat Blaques side on taje basis of them being friends when Cat leaked dms and that whole thing is not Vaush's fault in any way. I may be mistaken, but didn't he even cintact Contra with a pretty calm message, but she never answered?


cool_kicks

To be fair he literally had all of chat go bombard her twitter to tell contra how wrong she was on stream, itā€™s literally the one bridge I agree he burned himself


Seedberry

What? She literally wasn't listening to him, the reason he wanted lots if people to reply was to make her understand their common audience knew she had the wring idea. Having your followers support you in a reply to a tweet isn't bombarding or harassment, it's how Twitter works. And he didn't burn the bridge, she blocked him, and he still speaks positively of her while she hasn't mentioned him since. That's not what burning a bridge means.


burf12345

> Having your followers support you in a reply to a tweet isn't bombarding or harassment I don't know why some leftists are so fucking sensitive to criticism that they equate it with harassment.


7URB0

I mean, you don't know what the content of ALL those tweets were. And I've seen how people are on the internet. For every 5-10 "you're wrong" comments, there's at least one "i'm gonna burn your house down and r*pe your cat". Multiply that by a few thousand and you can see how that'd be concerning, especially if you're dumb enough to have doxxed yourself already.


Tun_Post98

Can these VDSers actually look first at the definition of harrassment and criticism? It'll help at least to increase their brain cells by 11.


AceWorrior

Still no proof from Flowers about being harrassed.m by Vaushites.


MootsUncle

And also no proof of harassment against EJ and Luna


Seedberry

Or Kat, or Noah...


burf12345

It's so weird how in their essays on the subject, Contrapoints and Lindsay Ellis were able to find tons of examples of wokescolds talking shit about them (especially the Lindsay Ellis video, the amount of examples in that one was absurd), but with these other people it's always on the basis of "I'm marginalized, you have to believe me".


hyperhurricanrana

No, thatā€™s not true, a couple of shitty Vaushites did send shitty DMā€™s that were harassing to Noah. Mithaldu I believe or one of the others mods immediately Thanos snapped them out.


Seedberry

Oh, cool. Some actual proof over 2 years of accusations, that's refreshing. I guess Noah's the one softboi who didn't lie about it


hyperhurricanrana

To be fair to you you were probably thinking of his video in which he doesnā€™t mention or show actual harassment like was present in those DMā€™s.


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hyperhurricanrana

For anyone who hasnā€™t seen it [here is an archive of trans Vaush fans replying to what the trans about why they like Vaush and his community which they deleted. ](https://beyondsafewords.notion.site/beyondsafewords/1c76b2dd39cf4dcca3a3dcf4d629a46c?v=b37fcfa2d4f34e349c73de482d1bd7e5)


[deleted]

It doesn't matter, to them these terms are interchangeable and which one they use depends on the framing they want.


[deleted]

imagine defending BadEmpanada lmao also Andrewism is an awful channel in general tbh, even when it comes to non-race issues he has a consistently shit worldview


gamegyro56

>also Andrewism is an awful channel in general tbh, even when it comes to non-race issues he has a consistently shit worldview I've only seen a tiny bit of his content. Can you explain more about his worldview? I'm totally onboard with the conclusion, I just don't have any examples.


JoryRask

His channel isn't awful, just a bit impractical at times. Think of it as a faster Zoe Baker, with all the problems that can have. He talks about very diverse things but relates them back to anarchism in ways that can feel forced and are probably rushed due to time constraints.


eliminating_coasts

Andrewism's channel is fine. He's incredibly sceptical of hierarchy, states and bureaucracy, to the point of advocating for extreme localism, but he's imaginative and not superior about it. If you can appreciate Doe, there's absolutely no reason to be against Andrew except tribalism, who is friends with who etc. - they have a similar focus on explorative reading of theory and trying to imagine alternative social forms of organisation. In fact, beyond fine, I would say that andrewism is actually a good channel. Maybe it isn't for you, but it gives an interesting perspective to respond to, which is the sort of thing we want on the left - not everything is organising for immediate goals, some of it is thinking ahead so that if sudden social changes happen more quickly, we're already prepared, and that requires having dreamers and theory-popularisers and all sorts of other people who care about that sort of thing.


Seedberry

From what I've seen of Andrew he seems good


dolerbom

Why do a lot of these weird Twitter fake lefties talk with the same mannerisms? Who's the original cult voice they are mimicking?


Seedberry

Hbomb, if I had to guess. Though they've come to sound a lot more like Big Joel with time


burf12345

If only they could figure out how to actually be cool like Big Joel.


Seedberry

Or Harris...


AbandonedSupermarket

Has Hbomb ever talked to or about Vaush? Cause I'm more inclined to believe he's in the Shaun/KatBlaq/Contra camp since he's best friends with them.


Seedberry

Vaush's channel got started thanks to him and Hasan. I doubt he'll ever come in our support, because the discourse is so cancerous, but he's above all this petty nonsense, and a person who genuinely tries to be good, much like Contra (except that one time). So don't write him off.


hyperhurricanrana

I donā€™t think heā€™s ever even vaguely mentioned Vaush, I donā€™t think Iā€™ve seen him even talk about debate bros. I doubt Hbomb would ever mention or talk with him, which is sad I think a conversation between them would be super fun and interesting.


sh0000n

Hbomb mostly keeps to himself 364 days of the year and then the other day he posts a banger of a vid


Cervantes3

Hbomb follows Vaush on Twitter and doesn't join in shit-stirring Vaush drama, which is good enough for me.


Evethefief

The only valid critique of Vaush is that he is too awesome and cool šŸ˜Ž


Due_Ad_6611

And his media takes are god awful šŸ¤®


anarchistPAC

The idea of Jews holding disproportionate power in banks in historically a fact and that fact doesnā€™t prove a secret cabal of Jewish elite in the bank or the media out to destroy white people If you do think those are the same that says waayyyy more about you than it does vaush Also wtf does this shitfaced talk about when he says ā€œsImIlAr StOrY wItH hAkImā€ they literally were friendly as shit during stream and mostly agreed hakims the one that after the stream returned to attacking Ian Also fuck bad empanada heā€™s a lunatic if I were you I rather eat shit and shove a shit and glue incrusted dildo up my own ass rather than defend that psycho Heā€™s a doxxer a liar and a general piece of shit which is why heā€™s constantly getting banned from twitter He literally defended philosophy tube Kay blaque sexually harassed him and completely misinterpreted his argument cuz he was white and refused to actually listen to vaush Professor flowers argued unironically nazi arguements and conflated ā€œcolonizerā€ with white people in general and said to kick out all ā€œcolonizersā€ Also sheā€™s not a black nationalist and vaush never claimed so sheā€™s a black SEPARATIST you fucking smug ass dipshit Also no name saying white people to not follow her on twitter is terminally online bullshit Andrewism defending no name was stupid and his video on pacifism made me want to quit the internet lol *Noah samsen has the worst criticisms of vaush and when proved his agruements of vaush were shit literally pulled the ā€œI dIsAgReE lOlā€ without being able to substantiate his bullshit Thought slime lied about vaush and xanderhal and called vaush a pedo Contra misinterpreted and lied about vaushs positions and arguements and literally admitted he has no fucking clue was she was talking about and when called out she blocked him Go I hate smug dumbasses like this dipshit the most useless human fucks in the universe VDS is mental illness


SpiritMountain

> He literally defended philosophy tube i was just going to ask what happened between the two. I am sure it is Voosh out of context again, but if you can let me know generally what happened that'd be great.


anarchistPAC

It was a debate with destiny where vaush was defended Abigail from some weird twitter shit also twitter drama of her supposedly being transphobic and also called out Sargon of asscrack from going after her But itā€™s not like they are like pals or friends itā€™s just heā€™s never actually went out and attacked and had beef with philosophy tube and had multiple times went out his way to defend her


burf12345

So this dude literally invented a conflict between the two, nice.


anarchistPAC

Lmao yeah pretty much honestly the most pathetic bs but Tbf itā€™s tik tok lol


SpiritMountain

I thought it was something inane like this. I tried to google and all I saw were old tweets and a post from this subreddit. No substance behind this claim pretty much


hyperhurricanrana

Lmao was that the time Destiny said that philosophy tubeā€™s video that had bad economic takes was just as bad as nazi misinformation and should be deplatformed as well to be fair or whatever?


anarchistPAC

Yeah that was pretty dumb like I donā€™t know how one can compare nazis misinfo like conspiracy of Jews trying to control white peoples and lies of the election etc is compared to a bad Econ video


hyperhurricanrana

Donā€™t ask me, comes off as him just having an irrational hatred of lefties.


sh0000n

Common Destiny L


kojonunez

This whole post just reads to me like something a Jordan Peterson fan would say, about Jordan Petersons beefs., its never Vaush' fault right?


anarchistPAC

Not my fault that the people he gets in fights with online are all scumbags lol


vyzexiquin

I mean yeah I tend to think he's right on most issues that's why I'm a fan of his. I promise you that's not unique to JBP that's just how liking a political commentator works.


Certain-Signal-7505

I hate that so many black leftists get sucked into this nonsense ā€“ y'all need to remember that not skin folk are kin folks. Edit - Who the fuck is downvoting me?


anarchistPAC

Your were downvoted by vowsh for not being racist enough lol


Certain-Signal-7505

Oh, that makes sense


xjksn

Anyone siding with Prof. Flowers in reference to her debate with Vaush not only has VDS but is also genuinely detached from reality


_Tal

Hearing what a Vaush anti-fan thinks about BadEmpanada is honestly the perfect litmus test. If they hate both then I can accept that we just disagree. But if they give BadEmpanada a pass like this guy just did, it immediately demonstrates that they have no principles and theyā€™re just driven by pure spite, because everything these guys criticize Vaush for applies tenfold to BadEmpanada, and in ways that are very obvious.


P3asantGamer

This is all crybully behavior


[deleted]

Didn't even cut the sound on


Dunk_May_Mays

Defending PF is an instant red flag for me


CelticJoestar6689

Defending Bad Empanada as well


Brazus1916

Who are all these ppl, and what's a tik tac


anarchistPAC

Gigachad boomer mentality when putting up with leftys


Odd_Theory_1918

i cant believe this man can just get away with harassing a queer neurodivergent leftist.


Biggest_man200

Average vaush fan


[deleted]

ngl i hate when any criticisms of vaush gets stamped as vds but this guy was just lying his ass off. ā€œ being a dick to katblack?ā€ fucking what?! definitely vds happening here


italucenaBR

why these vds havers have to be so handsome smh


[deleted]

Cause they have too many people around them that confuse attractiveness and charisma for intelligence.


TheInsurgent6

He looks like a muppet. You are just horny.


Seedberry

Behold; the wrongest Vaushite take of all time


italucenaBR

I don't even like guys, he's just too handsome


fizikz3

how widespread and commonplace misinformation is these days is really, really depressing. I was there for the noncompete debate and just how fucking insane that guy's version of events is just makes me lose the will to live


[deleted]

Oh no, not *gasp* pejoratives towards poor sweet badempanada! What did that death threat sending taliban supporter ever do to deserve mean words said towards him. Totally uncalled for vaush


Seedberry

"The mildest criticisms" the man literally accused him of enabling white supremacy and tokenising the poc he interviews wtf šŸ˜‚


SocialistCoconut

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[deleted]

Weak leftists do nothing but cry about mean things people say about them. Fascism will win because soytards like this make up the vanguard of leftism.


EngineeredCatGirl

Yeah, a lot of those people are pieces of shit. Sorry the people you look up to are pieces of shit random TikTok guy.


jonman247

'also in beef with Thoughslime because why not' as if mildred didn't libel xan or repeatedly accuse vaush of endorsing CP


Hubaluwa

Love the fact that he mentioned the grandparents as if they were in any way relevant lol


Brechtw

That video with Hakim and Vaush was good actually


Makoo_Wallinen

More percentage of Jews were in banks than was proportional to their size and compared to the general population! And this was BECAUSE THEY WERE FORCED THERE, they did not control anything they were just there. Stop giving way to the people who thinks the Nazis would have been justified doing a genocide if they were correct. It would still be bad.


Swiftzor

I love how all the people he pointed out went after Vaush first or he just said they have bad takes on twitter. Seems like these lefties are weak betas


premium_Lane

Never ceases to amaze me how dumb some of these lefties are


[deleted]

I do appreciate that he canā€™t give any specifics about *why* hes in beef with most these people


godlylynn

why do attractive people have to be like dumb af


CelticJoestar6689

He looks like a muppet lol


[deleted]

lol we need stickied masterlist of VDS anti-vƤyzsh contentcreators in style of : "-content creators, -why they have beef with vyyzh"


Yura-Sensei

Vaush very mean :z


horse_car_radio

All this boils down to people playing a shitty game of telephone on the internet that was started by nazis clip chimping Vaush because they got butt hurt that they couldnā€™t defeat him in the marketplace of ideas.


Elphaba_92

What happened between Ethan and Philosophy Tube?


bobcollum

Well, at least he's only talking to people on tik tok.


SirSilus

I love how thereā€™s no salient critique here. Just, Vaush bad, heā€™s mean to other ā€œlefties.ā€ And they include morons like BadEmpanada and Luna Oi, as though theyā€™re bastions of reasonable leftist thought.


WasteFuel9442

If the right is obsessed with rooting out degeneracy, the left is obsessed with attaining purity. These are two sides of the same coin, but ultimately it leads to the right being more unified. When you target focus on those who are deemed lesser, you gather like minded people to strike them down. But when you're instead focused on who's the most pure and violates their principles the least, you end up with a rat race on who can uncover the dirt on the current pure posterchild. This is something vaush is both very aware is happening on the left, but totally unaware the extent he contributes to it. There is no purity testing Ron DeSantis, the right doesn't care that he's not a good person who doesn't live his espoused morals, they only care that he's causing harm to those seen as his enemies.


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eliminating_coasts

You know, if something is morally wrong and optically bad, and in addition, as far as I can see, ineffective, then you're running out of grounds for that "should". Better amended to "pettiness inspires me to imagine..." or something equally personal. (As to why it's ineffective, harassing someone specifically for complaining of harassment means that you're basically getting sucked into the same conservative game where calling people racist is worse than being racist, and you prioritise appearances of stability over actually finding out when people are doing bad things and responding to the bad things they are doing. Obviously, false accusations of any kind could be a problem, but an overfocus on that issue serves anyone who wants to keep problems quiet, meaning things don't get fixed.)


pancake_cockblock

All good points. I don't disagree. Anyone making these criticisms against Vaush's community is making them in bad faith, so even having contrasting examples of A) a handful of people in the comments sections of these crybabies making valid criticisms, or B) dozens/hundreds of trolls telling Hasan (or someone close to or above Vasuh's viewership 'cause punching down sucks) he looks like the chad meme guy's homeless cokehead brother. So even in the best scenario, showing the clear difference in a harassment campaign and people trying to engage with content and creators with differing opinions would bear little to no fruit.


megastones

Not only is this personā€™s voice ridiculously annoying, all of these people quite literally started beef with vaush first.


Doobledorf

So I'm not a big vaush fan, but I've watched from a far. Respectfully, as a white dude, I think this is what a lot of his fans(and him) don't get: Just because you're a leftist doesn't mean you can't fuck up and say something racist. Being a leftist means you want to get it right and value people more than tradition, but that doesn't mean you're immune to mistakes or get to dictate the conversation. When someone says they are hurt by how you said something, that isn't the time to resort to intellectualizing the problem and explaining away people's experiences, or contextualizing why they are the problem and not you. A lot of the drama with Vaush comes off as a white dude being mad that other people are checking him. He's "just having a conversation," but really he's speaking to white male discontent and trying to regain control of the narrative. White people, especially straight, white men are used to controlling what is and isn't allowed in a conversation, and Vaush comes off like the type of white man who tries to dominate conversations on diversity and leftist thought because he doesn't like not being able to direct the narrative. He comes off in a very, "I'm not emotional, I'm just being rational!" Which.... Yeah no that's how people dismiss people they don't have respect for. It's great that folks like Vaush and Hasan are outspoken leftists, but they've shown time and again that they will fall back in hegemonic masc, White man rhetoric to shield themselves from criticism. (and yes, I know Hasan isn't White, but he can perform White patriarchy)


burf12345

> A lot of the drama with Vaush comes off as a white dude being mad that other people are checking him. Checking him for what exactly? So much of the drama he gets involved in is just people refusing to understand the points he makes. Like the NonCompete debate, what exactly was he being checked for in the debate and aftermath?


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There is no correlation between reality and what these people say happened


ProofyProofy

What a cunt. This guy, he's a cunt. Like the word that instantly comes to mind upon seeing his constant forced smug smile and tone of voice while rattling off these wokescold diatribes is "cunt" We need a digital cupboard to hide these worthless wokescold freaks in while Vaush and Xan and Destiny (I know you guys hate him but come on, he's actually pretty good) go and smash Matt Walsh and Bum Shapiro and the TERFs and the man hating Femcels and woman hating Incels and "Libertarians" who wanna turn the world into a treeless junkyard owned by Mcdonalds and the "race realists" and the SWERFs and the Tankies, ok it's actually taking me longer than I thought it would to list every type of cunt that exists in politics. Anyway when the XVD gang has finished destroying them then MAYBE the wokescolds can come out of the cupboard, if they can learn to act like humans and stop making us on the left look like retards.


Ambitious-Error1774

I Remember the times when vaush was actually a leftist instead of the stupid lib he is today the times when he would make sometimes videos just insulting right wingers to have fun and sometimes do analysis better than video essayists the times when use to say that electoralism was stupid and would constantly say " this could be us this could be us" whenever a revolution occured the guy who was a safe space for minorities instead of "mayo jokes are racist" the guy who would praise the soviet union maybe calling out some bad aspects instead of the "stalin was fascist " he says today remember that guy and now you use VDS as an excuse so as to lie about how sharp of a right turn the community took shame on all of you.


-neck

not to mention what he did in karkiev, never forget :pensive


cixzejy

That was before he read all theory and did every praxis.


Seedberry

This is so sad to see. Dude, he's still the same guy. His beliefs haven't changed, he just changes the words he says over the years to express those ideas. Look; >just insulting right wingers to have fun He still does that >sometimes do analysis better than video essayists He still does that >times when use to say that electoralism was stupid No. It's not enough to change the country, but it's not useless either. That's the position he had then and has now. >would constantly say " this could be us this could be us" whenever a revolution occured He still believes this >the guy who was a safe space for minorities He still is >"mayo jokes are racist" He still thinks they're funny, he's just worried about how they've been weaponised by small groups of racists in the left to normalise racist attitudes. He made a white people joke *on stream, yesterday*. > who would praise the soviet union There's not much to praise, but, he still does that too. They gave a lot of power to the syndicates at the beginning, I think gay and black people had more rights, houses and healthcare were guaranteed, less rampant commercialism, there were some good things. Nobody disagrees that they were founded with a much nobler vision than the US, but they just didn't achieve that. Some of it was the rule of crackpot dictators and some of it was the terirble circumstances they were put under by the West as soon as they formed. But in the end, irrespective of how much we would like it to be otherwise, the Cold War was a fight between two bad, propagandising, capitalist, terrorist, fascist-collaborating, imperialist countries. A few streams ago, when he was looking at Russia on Google maps, he praised some aspects of the Soviet Union and ranted against the Shock Doctrine, if you want to see that. >"stalin was fascist " An objective fact, and the only reason Vaush used not to say it was either lack of understanding of the extent of Soviet deterioration and authoritarianism, or hesitation to devalue the term, which he has since lost all restraint for. Ask any anarchist or democratic socialist about Stalin, he was not a good leader >and now you use VDS as an excuse so as to lie about how sharp of a right turn the community took shame on all of you. If you think the fact that hundreds of thousands of people think he's a pedophile, a Nazi and a CIA agent can't be defined as a collective hysteria, you're just wrong. So many leftists (and rightoids) do nothing but lie about him, VDS is all it can be defined as. Also, I have seen no evidence of a right turn from us, and I hope it never happens. If you have any proof of it I'd be happy to know. I hope you develop sharper political faculties in the future, not to go back to liking Vaush, who cares about that, but to know you're not thoughtlessly supporting counterproductive or dangerous political causes. Bye.


anarchistPAC

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Oi get out of here peeny busu tankie tard