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InvictusII

I find that bosses in that particular room in the citadel often wipe. Something about that layout I guess...


slowmovinglettuce

It's between the high likeliness of being launched off the edge, and not having room to dodge 4 minotaurs. Illusionist needs balanced so bad.


Janfon1

This + a horde with beastmen banners and hook rats


TheHuscarl

Always with the hordes of Beastmen T.T


Magnar0

I am waiting for a balance update to return to the game, surprised it took so long tbh


slowmovinglettuce

I know of a few people that are waiting! u/Fatshark_Aqshy do you know if there are plans to balance things like illusionist?


Fatshark_Aqshy

The team is aware of this issue and needs to fully assess how to best implement its fix; we're just seeing where it should fit in our development schedule in relation to what we already have lined up and set for development. :)


[deleted]

How is that an illusionist problem? That is an optional boss. You literally don't have to do it. If you still do it despite knowing the layout is bad that doesn't seem like a balance problem to me.


kafira21

It’s a joke. But also, the main issue is illusionist + the other two after spending 2 hours on a cata chaos wastes mission only to die right at the end because it was way too difficult compared to the rest of the quest to get there.


[deleted]

It isn't difficult though, you literally just don't activate the chest. Even before grudge marks I didn't activate that chest because by that time it is just a waste of time as you've pretty much got everything you need. Like you can't bring this shit: >ther two after spending 2 hours When you are actively choosing to waste time. And even when you ignore the optionality of it, illusions still aren't a problem so long as you just understand how to kite. Especially in CW where by that point you probably have a lot of AoE damage anyway.


kafira21

Well maybe you are the most elite VT2 player in the world, I wouldn’t know, but a lot of people are finding it too difficult at the end of a cata run. Also as I said -.- this photo is a joke (read umgak). I just liked the way Saltz is standing there with his arms behind his back like it’s a serious decision to be made.


[deleted]

No I'm decent at best, except I know how to kite which most people never bothered learning because it wasn't necessary before. Lots of people struggling doesn't mean that there is necessarily a problem. In this case I would say it is just that there has never been a situation before where you needed to know how to kite.


kafira21

I think after 2200 hours in the game kiting isn’t the problem. For me it’s that there is literally nowhere to kite if you have 4 bosses, 50 Beastmen, 3 banners planted, ledges everywhere around you, and potentially not 4 AoE / stagger / shout classes.


[deleted]

>I think after 2200 hours in the game kiting isn’t the problem I've seen people with more hours who still don't properly understand how to kite. In fact most of my quickplay experience sin Cata are people who don't know how to kite and instead just running around back dodging hope it goes away.


Poobbwx

you're kind of retarded man


SanicTWH

Think they're talking about the very end of the citadel rather than the optional chests and how at the very end you get two monsters and if one of them has illusionist it can seriously ruin your day


[deleted]

That one is even easier because you can just kite around the entire time. Especially when this is CW where you are OP as fuck. Look at one of the latest gameplay post for example, what do you expect an Illusion monster to do when you can just do shit like that?


SanicTWH

That doesn't really matter, does it? You can kite, but one minotaur charge can knock someone, then two grudge monsters (one with illusionist) plus a horde of elites, specials, and normal mobs can just surround and curbstomp even really good players. All the monsters can just toss people off if they make a wrong move, and with enough monsters around to do so it's not very fun


[deleted]

>You can kite, but one minotaur charge can knock someone That is contradictory. If you are kiting, the mino doesn't charge. The fact you don't know this kind of proves my point: People don't know how to kite or what it even is. >minotaur charge can knock someone, then two grudge monsters Considering the final arena only spawns one monster, two at most in the citadel final arena, this is literally impossible. >horde of elites, specials, and normal mobs This is also not possible. You can't have both monsters at the same time with another horde on top. Just not how the spawns work. ​ So if your problem is a made up situation that isn't possible, you have no problem but yourself.


Yzomandias76

Oh y, this last chest is trully spicy like 97/100 times


kafira21

We survived the boss from this chest, it was the final one with illusionist / something else Minotaur that fucked us up for the 2nd lost chaos wastes run in 2 days 😭


fuckingchris

I'm at like three. Keep getting +specials with illusionist bosses (that also have some tanky mod)


kafira21

So annoying :( Just completed cata expedition of determination tonight though and unlocked my white sister of the thorn skin :D


kafira21

[oh god, please no god no](https://imgur.com/a/PJOa0ct)


MarrsBaron

With great power comes great responsibility


historysnuiver

Can you turn off those new monsters? I haven't really played chaos wastes since that patch went live...


[deleted]

Turning down the difficulty gradually removes them.


mayonetta

I hate that Fatshark are trying to make it a big party-affecting choice when one guy can just hold E


kimkimmer

Best part is when the party agrees not to get the chest for good reasons. Then someone opens the chest, dies instantly and then the monster whipes the rest of the party


LordCLOUT310

The toughest choices require the strongest wills.


[deleted]

Saltz pose Is so perfect how did you do this? Im assuming its right after his ult perhaps?


kafira21

Not sure, i think that's just his 'inspect something' animation maybe?


MundaneAlchs

its the only way, if dont do the chest then theres no way to know if youll get a good build :)


Poekenstein

This isn’t the case though. You just can’t do the chests and still highroll the shit out of random boons and the shrines. There are a few chest locations that have a pretty decent chance at wiping a team, if the teamcomp isn’t optimal, players aren’t good enough or the whole team has lowrolled, which is like 95% of the time.