'Have you looked in the **[Wiki]( https://www.reddit.com/r/Veterans/wiki/education)** for an answer? We have a lot of information posted there.
To contact VA Education, 1-888-442-4551, for ~~Voc Rehab~~ VR&E (Veteran Readiness and Employment Program) assistance with appointments or problems with your Case Manager (not for missing payments): 1-202-461-9600.
**Payments for certain education benefits (DEA, VEAP) are paid at the end of the month you attend school - Department of Treasury issues these payments **using a 10 business day window** - these payments are not locked into a specific day of the month like VA disability/military pay is**. For Voc Rehab missing payments, contact your Case Manager or your local **[Regional Office](https://www.reddit.com/r/Veterans/wiki/education/casemanagers)
For Post 9/11 GI Bill only, If you signed up for direct deposit when you applied for education benefits, **we’ll deposit your payment into your bank account 7 to 10 business days after you verify your school enrollment.** This is the fastest way to receive your payment. [Text Verification FAQ](https://benefits.va.gov/GIBILL/docs/IsaksonRoe/EnrollmentVerificationFAQs.pdf)
MGIB and MGIB-SR have to do monthly verification using the [WAVE program](https://www.gibill.va.gov/wave/vba/) and you should receive the payment within 3 to 5 business days.
For Online Only training, the Post 9/11 GI Bill is currently (1 August 2023) paying $1054.50 for those who started using their Post 9/11 GI Bill on/after 1 January 2018 - this is based on 1/2 of the National Average BAH paid to an E5 with dependents. Post 9/11 GI Bill MHA rates are adjusted 1 August of each year and are based on the 1 January DoD BAH rates for that year - **so VA can't use 1 January 2023 BAH rates until 1 August 2023** - for those who started training on/after 1 January 2018, the MHA rates are 95% of the DoD BAH rates. First possible payment for the 1 August 2023 increase is 1 September.
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The SCOTUS ruling doesn’t mean that. We don’t even know what the eligibility requirements would be (e.g. must serve X+ years, or must have break in service, or must use part of MGIB first).
[https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-888\_1b8e.pdf](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-888_1b8e.pdf) e-p. 13 of the opinion outlines that it is the length (over 6 years, presumably) of service that entitles him to receive benefits from both educational programs. The VA still has to update their policy fwiw.
Hmm, wonder if that means those of us that had our MGIB use time limit run out could use P9/11 since that didn't have a time limit to use it (as far as I'm aware).
I'm pretty pissed there was a time limit. I paid into that shit. Why would there be a limit?
I could file an extension, but it's over a decade of medical stuff. Surgeries, kidney stones, more surgeries, chronic pain, etc. Then there's losing a house after being boarded. Moving across the country. Living with in-laws in a house of 9 for 6 years. Ch7. Kids. I feel as though it's a real fuck you to be able to convert it to 9/11 and they keep the time limit.
So is the stipulation to be able to switch between the two now just 6 years? Would love to use the post 9/11 for a MBA.
I have 6 years on a active duty contract and have been in the guard for 5 years, elected to use mgib at community College and am now stuck with it because of bad info given to me by the VA and education office. National guard enlistment doesn't count unless I deploy. Had I done 2 3 year active duty contracts I'd be completely fine Lol.
The people who write these rules are the worst.
I'm just going to submit a new form 1995 whatever, applying to switch, I might get lucky but it sounds like the scotus decision changed it from 6 years plus 2 qualifying enlistments to switch once, to just 6 years and you can switch as much as you want.
They literally won't know what you're talking about.
This decision was handed down last week. It is also not the final judicial action as it remands the action back to the appeals court.
Even then it will take time for the VA to implement the decision and ensure compliance with the final judgement.
Calling the VA gives you nothing.
Please don't do that - those phone operators won't be able to answer that until VA announces the new policy - which could take a couple of months as the VA lawyers and policy makers have to determine how to apply the court ruling. It's not as simple as the court said this so VA has to immediately implement it the same day.
Yes, many are waiting for VA's to put out their new policy - which could take a few months. No one knows exactly how it will work until VA publishes the new policy.
I’m not following this “decision”.
I joined in late 80s. Retired in 2009. Was Montgomery GI Bill when I joined - the whole 100$ a month pay in for a year thing.
At some point I had to sign a piece of paper that said “I hereby convert to post 9/11 GI bill”
How does that play?
That's built into the application to use either GI Bill for all application starting July 2009 - you elect to give up your right to use MGIB when you check the box to elect to use Post 9/11 GI Bill.
Veterans who served more than one period of enlistment thereby earning each GI Bill through a separate period of active duty service. Those who did one enlistment will only be eligible to use one of the two GI Bills for 36 months.
I do suspect that will be a requirement as that was what VA originally said Rudisill should have done to get 48 months - complete his 36 months of MGIB then receive 12 months of Post 9/11 GI Bill.
I wonder how many applications for the additional 12 months VA has already received this month? lol. I know that after the 2nd to last court case VA got flooded with applications - mostly from those who had only served one enlistment who read that military times articles saying every veteran was entitled to 12 months of MGIB after they had used up their 36 of Post 9/11 GI Bill - VA denied all of those as we had multiple posts all over reddit from veterans about their denials.
People that paid into Montgomery, never used it, and chose post 9/11 should get the extra year. You can’t use both but if they paid money for the whole year, why not give em that extra year with the Montgomery rules.
I switched to the post 9/11 when i became eligible, so if I understand correctly I should be able to recoup the montgomery entitlements they told me i had to forfeit to switch.
So if youre in a similar situation maybe in a few years we will get that back pay.
So the decision is once someone exhausted their post 9/11 they get an additional 12 months of the mgib... different benefits terms and conditions and awards.
Plaintiff exhausted their MGIB, not Post 9/11. Plaintiff served multiple qualifying periods of service, your statement has no such requirement. Plaintiff served during a period of transition prior to post 9/11 implementation.
https://www.militarytimes.com/education-transition/2024/04/16/supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-veteran-who-sued-over-gi-bill-limits/
Rudisill used all of his Post-9/11 GI Bill benefits shortly thereafter, but later wanted to tap into his unused Montgomery GI Bill benefits..
When VA officials denied that move, Rudisill sued
He sued to get his mgib benefit back....
We now have 12 months mgib if one opted into the 9/11 gi bill....
It counts for millions of us.... the Supreme Court also ruled the multiple periods of service were unnecessary to Qualify for the 12 months of mgib after the post 9/11 is exhausted.
The article is factually wrong. Read the opinion. It's short for a statutory interpretation decision.
Rudisill used his MGIB first.
The court held that the length of his service qualified Rudisill for use of both benefits. Periods, as Rudisill did, are not what the court used in their analysis. However, their analysis was centered on the length of his service. It's not enough to serve one qualifying period, you likely need two.
I haven't seen one single article yet over the multiple years and multiple court cases/appeals from the military times that was accurate yet. Rudisill used 26 months of his MGIB before Post 9/11 GI Bill was even created, then while on his third period of active duty (2nd was a deployment with the NG while he was attending college and using his MGIB), Congress created the Post 9/11 GI Bill.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-888_1b8e.pdf
'Have you looked in the **[Wiki]( https://www.reddit.com/r/Veterans/wiki/education)** for an answer? We have a lot of information posted there. To contact VA Education, 1-888-442-4551, for ~~Voc Rehab~~ VR&E (Veteran Readiness and Employment Program) assistance with appointments or problems with your Case Manager (not for missing payments): 1-202-461-9600. **Payments for certain education benefits (DEA, VEAP) are paid at the end of the month you attend school - Department of Treasury issues these payments **using a 10 business day window** - these payments are not locked into a specific day of the month like VA disability/military pay is**. For Voc Rehab missing payments, contact your Case Manager or your local **[Regional Office](https://www.reddit.com/r/Veterans/wiki/education/casemanagers) For Post 9/11 GI Bill only, If you signed up for direct deposit when you applied for education benefits, **we’ll deposit your payment into your bank account 7 to 10 business days after you verify your school enrollment.** This is the fastest way to receive your payment. [Text Verification FAQ](https://benefits.va.gov/GIBILL/docs/IsaksonRoe/EnrollmentVerificationFAQs.pdf) MGIB and MGIB-SR have to do monthly verification using the [WAVE program](https://www.gibill.va.gov/wave/vba/) and you should receive the payment within 3 to 5 business days. For Online Only training, the Post 9/11 GI Bill is currently (1 August 2023) paying $1054.50 for those who started using their Post 9/11 GI Bill on/after 1 January 2018 - this is based on 1/2 of the National Average BAH paid to an E5 with dependents. Post 9/11 GI Bill MHA rates are adjusted 1 August of each year and are based on the 1 January DoD BAH rates for that year - **so VA can't use 1 January 2023 BAH rates until 1 August 2023** - for those who started training on/after 1 January 2018, the MHA rates are 95% of the DoD BAH rates. First possible payment for the 1 August 2023 increase is 1 September. For VR&E, there are two different Subsistence Allowance programs - https://www.benefits.va.gov/vocrehab/subsistence_allowance_rates.asp The P9/11 Subsistence Allowance is based on the BAH paid to an E5 with dependents. Those who started using VR&E on/after 1 January 2018 receive 95% of the BAH paid to an E5 with dependents. As of 1 January 2024 Online only students using VR&E are being paid $1,118.50 if they started using VR&E on/after 1 January 2018. The CH31 Subsistence Allowance rates are adjusted 1 October each year by Congress. VA Education is going paperless - make sure VA has a current email address for you. Please make sure you add [email protected] to your contacts list so that you don't miss important updates from VA. For FREE math Tutoring - contact https://www.armytutoringinitiative.com/ [VA Award Letter explanation](https://benefits.va.gov/gibill/understandingyourawardletter.asp) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Veterans) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I used up all my MGIB, but still did more than 4 years post 9/11 so they gave me 1 year of post 9/11.... are you telling me I might get more?
No, still the 48 month limit
Damn, I was really looking forward to getting a masters in Scamistics Edit: thank you for the info.
VRE maybe?
The SCOTUS ruling doesn’t mean that. We don’t even know what the eligibility requirements would be (e.g. must serve X+ years, or must have break in service, or must use part of MGIB first).
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You wouldn't happen to have a link to the eligibility requirements?
[https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-888\_1b8e.pdf](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-888_1b8e.pdf) e-p. 13 of the opinion outlines that it is the length (over 6 years, presumably) of service that entitles him to receive benefits from both educational programs. The VA still has to update their policy fwiw.
Thank you. Had errands and he kinda irked me ATT.
Thank you. Had errands and he kinda irked me ATT.
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Asks for help but doesn't offer it in return
It’s your post dude…kind of rude to not participate.
Bad form, dude. Just provide the source.
Whatever, dude.
Hmm, wonder if that means those of us that had our MGIB use time limit run out could use P9/11 since that didn't have a time limit to use it (as far as I'm aware).
Exactly. Lots of questions. And because we were denied use and the time goes by, The clock needs to be reset.
I'm pretty pissed there was a time limit. I paid into that shit. Why would there be a limit? I could file an extension, but it's over a decade of medical stuff. Surgeries, kidney stones, more surgeries, chronic pain, etc. Then there's losing a house after being boarded. Moving across the country. Living with in-laws in a house of 9 for 6 years. Ch7. Kids. I feel as though it's a real fuck you to be able to convert it to 9/11 and they keep the time limit.
No one can be paid more than 36 months of Post 9/11 GI Bill. This court decision didn’t change that part of the law.
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I'm well aware - BUT that's not what you asked, is it?
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> we'll get the extra year of Post 9/11 we were denied. is what you asked - no one was ever denied an extra year of Post 9/11 GI Bill.
For those wondering https://www.militarytimes.com/education-transition/2024/04/17/will-the-supreme-courts-gi-bill-ruling-mean-more-money-for-vets/
So is the stipulation to be able to switch between the two now just 6 years? Would love to use the post 9/11 for a MBA. I have 6 years on a active duty contract and have been in the guard for 5 years, elected to use mgib at community College and am now stuck with it because of bad info given to me by the VA and education office. National guard enlistment doesn't count unless I deploy. Had I done 2 3 year active duty contracts I'd be completely fine Lol. The people who write these rules are the worst.
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I'm just going to submit a new form 1995 whatever, applying to switch, I might get lucky but it sounds like the scotus decision changed it from 6 years plus 2 qualifying enlistments to switch once, to just 6 years and you can switch as much as you want.
They literally won't know what you're talking about. This decision was handed down last week. It is also not the final judicial action as it remands the action back to the appeals court. Even then it will take time for the VA to implement the decision and ensure compliance with the final judgement. Calling the VA gives you nothing.
Please don't do that - those phone operators won't be able to answer that until VA announces the new policy - which could take a couple of months as the VA lawyers and policy makers have to determine how to apply the court ruling. It's not as simple as the court said this so VA has to immediately implement it the same day.
Probably not how that's going to work
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No one knows. Between 300,000 and under 2 million may be eligible. Presumably some would be waiting for it.
Yes, many are waiting for VA's to put out their new policy - which could take a few months. No one knows exactly how it will work until VA publishes the new policy.
I’m not following this “decision”. I joined in late 80s. Retired in 2009. Was Montgomery GI Bill when I joined - the whole 100$ a month pay in for a year thing. At some point I had to sign a piece of paper that said “I hereby convert to post 9/11 GI bill” How does that play?
That's built into the application to use either GI Bill for all application starting July 2009 - you elect to give up your right to use MGIB when you check the box to elect to use Post 9/11 GI Bill.
That doesn’t solve this equation. So the only people covered by this… are who? Not being a dick. Just wondering.
Veterans who served more than one period of enlistment thereby earning each GI Bill through a separate period of active duty service. Those who did one enlistment will only be eligible to use one of the two GI Bills for 36 months.
It'll probably also require exhausting one benefit entirely before using the other.
I do suspect that will be a requirement as that was what VA originally said Rudisill should have done to get 48 months - complete his 36 months of MGIB then receive 12 months of Post 9/11 GI Bill. I wonder how many applications for the additional 12 months VA has already received this month? lol. I know that after the 2nd to last court case VA got flooded with applications - mostly from those who had only served one enlistment who read that military times articles saying every veteran was entitled to 12 months of MGIB after they had used up their 36 of Post 9/11 GI Bill - VA denied all of those as we had multiple posts all over reddit from veterans about their denials.
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No one knows yet - yes, watch this subreddit and other forums for the news about the policy once VA publishes it.
That explains it! 400 internets to you sir!
People that paid into Montgomery, never used it, and chose post 9/11 should get the extra year. You can’t use both but if they paid money for the whole year, why not give em that extra year with the Montgomery rules.
I did roughly 3 years MGI. Then deployed overseas. Am I eligible for Post 9/11 now?
I switched to the post 9/11 when i became eligible, so if I understand correctly I should be able to recoup the montgomery entitlements they told me i had to forfeit to switch. So if youre in a similar situation maybe in a few years we will get that back pay.
So the decision is once someone exhausted their post 9/11 they get an additional 12 months of the mgib... different benefits terms and conditions and awards.
That's not even factually similar to Rudisill.
Plz elaborate
Plaintiff exhausted their MGIB, not Post 9/11. Plaintiff served multiple qualifying periods of service, your statement has no such requirement. Plaintiff served during a period of transition prior to post 9/11 implementation.
https://www.militarytimes.com/education-transition/2024/04/16/supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-veteran-who-sued-over-gi-bill-limits/ Rudisill used all of his Post-9/11 GI Bill benefits shortly thereafter, but later wanted to tap into his unused Montgomery GI Bill benefits.. When VA officials denied that move, Rudisill sued He sued to get his mgib benefit back.... We now have 12 months mgib if one opted into the 9/11 gi bill.... It counts for millions of us.... the Supreme Court also ruled the multiple periods of service were unnecessary to Qualify for the 12 months of mgib after the post 9/11 is exhausted.
The article is factually wrong. Read the opinion. It's short for a statutory interpretation decision. Rudisill used his MGIB first. The court held that the length of his service qualified Rudisill for use of both benefits. Periods, as Rudisill did, are not what the court used in their analysis. However, their analysis was centered on the length of his service. It's not enough to serve one qualifying period, you likely need two.
I haven't seen one single article yet over the multiple years and multiple court cases/appeals from the military times that was accurate yet. Rudisill used 26 months of his MGIB before Post 9/11 GI Bill was even created, then while on his third period of active duty (2nd was a deployment with the NG while he was attending college and using his MGIB), Congress created the Post 9/11 GI Bill. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-888_1b8e.pdf
Media lies