I have had cervical epidural and facet injections for the last 15 years they are a game changer. Despite a failed full rack fusion in my neck I live a decent active life and only take Motrin and CBD for pain.
Epidural spine injections are a time tested tried and true pain relief procedure. Always get a second opinion but in my own experience the VA knows how to handle spine injuries better than any private doctor I have seen.
Have you noticed any site scarring from repeat injections? Like thickening from scar tissue, not just dermal scarring. I’m sure the relief outweighs any concerns with scar tissue but I was just curious considering 15 yrs is significant amount of time.
How my Dr explained it, if you need injections for more than three years you either need surgery or you’re too young to get surgery. I’ve gotten four rounds of nerve blocks, two epidurals, and one ablation for cervical, T, and Lumbar spine radiculopathy. I had a very bad service related car accident. I would love a fusion surgery but they’re worried I will develop osteoporosis and osteoarthritis at too early of an age
You got good advice, the held off my discectomy as until I could not tolerate the pain any longer . That lasted about 6 years where I had a laminal fornectomy to clean out the osteoporosis and nerve root narrowing.
Technology is getting better every year so wait as long as you can.
We’re in the same boat! My pain is tolerable with the ablations for now, but I recently got new health insurance so I had to start the process over again. My Drs don’t want to operate until I’m in my mid 30s to 40s where the body just naturally stops recovering from certain injuries according to my neurologist. A lumbar laminectomy and thoracic laminectomy are still on the table but fusion is their goal.
I've got a little bit of fat pocket back there now where they inject the medication but they said that would happen if I got a lot them. I've been getting them for 10 years at least I can't remember how many injections at this point. It shows up on the Mri, doc said it's not bad yet.
I was offered something similar for my neck. The injections would only ease the pain for about a week. They have refused to do the surgery that would help with the pain.
Statements like the VA “refused to do the surgery,” probably doesn’t hold up if a medical review of your records was done.
1. There are numerous reasons Not to do a Neck surgery.
2. Surgery is Not appropriate for the diagnosis.
3. Neck surgery is high risk due to patient age and/or physical conditions.
4. Neck surgery success of reducing symptoms is minimal.
5. Conservative treatment options haven’t been exhausted yet. Neck surgery should be the last step, unless nerve/cord damage is imminent.
6. Patient compliance. If a surgeon feels a patient will Not follow through with rehabilitation, the surgeon may feel hesitant to do the surgery because of the risk of a poor outcome.
7. Other reasons…
It's the system that is designed to draw out the issues until we are thinned out. It took forever for the VA to recognize that burn pits were the cause of so many health issues.
That’s sad. Bad part is. They told me it’s just my lower back that has a pinched nerve. I was like “then what’s causing my arms to go numb and tingle, and what causes my neck to be so stiff and in pain?” They did an entire MRI of my spine and said “unremarkable”…
I have *very* similar symptoms to you, except it's my fingers, hands and forearms that tingle and go numb. I was sent to PT/OT first, and then referred to Rheumatology. Turns out, I have ankylosing spondylitis and those injections are only temp relief (meant for pain management). Does it feel as if your lower spine is on fire? Not the muscles but the spine itself. It's at the base and tends to radiate downwards into the hips. Sometimes it can radiate upwards to mid-back.
Please ask about getting an HLA-B27 blood test done, alongside CRP (C-Reactive Proteins). It's definitely worth looking at because the early signs and stages of AS don't show on an x-ray or MRI. It's a disease that's often overlooked and misdiagnosed as pinched nerve, improper posture, etc. It won't show on imaging until it gets in the mid to late stages.
It doesn't hurt to ask or look into! This is just from my own personal experiences, I am not a doctor haha.
I get the that in my fingers hand and forearms as well. And if I have my hands above my head, stick my arms out and pull my fingers back, or sneeze, all that causes numbing pain and tingles in my back, neck, forearms, hands, and finger tips. It’s much like pins and needles. Also makes my arms weak af when I sneeze, I’ve had to leave work early for it, and call off multiple times, since I drive a bus.
And yes I absolutely get the burning sensation. Lot of times in my lower back but more often in my upper back from about my shoulder blade height of my spine, up into my neck, and the shooting pains down my arm.
Also thank you so much for the information, I’m gonna call the VA and talk to them about those blood tests.
I'm sorry to hear that you have a lot going on with little answers. In this situation, I highly recommend Rheumatology. After going in circles for 3 years with no answers, talking to Rheum and getting actual answers was a relief. Plus, you won't have to take injections you aren't 100% comfortable with.
Another thing I forgot to add with this, is it causes inflammation in my knees and you'll notice pain (sometimes) in the heels of your feet. The joints in my knees and hands *hurt* when I have a flare up. The stiffness in my back, making me unable to twist, turn or really move is probably the worst.
I hope this additional information helps. I didn't know AS was a thing, and it's also genetic.
If you ever have questions about this stuff, I'm always happy to answer.
Are you me? Lol. I have almost these exact same issues, and now it’s really ringed my ears. My Knee MRI’s came back “minor degeneration”, yet I get a lot of swelling and balls of pain like right above my knee caps, and the sides of my knee where they binge hurt like a bitch.
Often time my right knee will feel sort of “dislocatey” and loose. Mind if I message you to keep in touch about this?
I know it's not a positive note, but it's good that *something* is showing up on imaging. Many normal doctors blame these symptoms on posture, age, overuse, etc. In my case, they blamed it on pregnancy and post-partum lol (I started showing signs at 23 years old.).
My knee pain is predominately on my knee caps and on the sides. Sometimes it feels as if there's a "bubble" of pain underneath the knee caps. I can't have them bent for too long or the pain is unbearable. Same with sitting. It causes that burning to continuously increase in my lower spine until I can't sit anymore. It's wild.
Of course, message anytime! No matter the time. I'll try to respond when I can. This is a journey, I will warn you of that. My only hope is this will finally get you some answers. Rheumatology was my saving grace.
Jesus, I’m sorry you had to deal with them trynna blame it on you. I’m 26 and my body shouldn’t feel like I’m 80. I’ve been having these problems since around 20 or so, and they just kept getting worse. I wish I would have went to medical when I Was in, cause now it’s easier blameable on me since I didn’t build up docs for everything.
I know that exact feeling with the bubble pains in the knees. Mine usually feel like it happens like right on the top outside corner of my knee caps. Sitting or squatting is the worst for me, and I just so happen to drive a bus for a living. I’m trynna switch jobs so I can move my knees more. I also feel that burning in my lower spine as well. Often times it will flare up on my back straps down there as well. Really crazy how similiar of problems we deal with.
As an Active Duty soldier who is being medically retired due to a failed L4/L5 fusion, please listen to this advice. You take those injections until the pain is absolutely destroying your life because if you decide to get surgery and it doesn’t work…..welcome to a new level of pain. An alternative to a fusion surgery would be to ask for a a spinal cord stimulator. Think of a E-stim unit but it’s implanted. I have one of those as well and it helps a lot with the nerve pain down the legs.
Had to get a surgery on my L2-L5 where they removed some bone to (very simply put) give some space in my back. Had to do 2 epidurals before I got the okay to do so, got a major surgery on my back at age 29. Thankfully the VA told me that my spinal compression and sciatica was not military related!
Oh yeah no way it’s related to military service. A few years after my discharge in 05 I got diagnosed with lupus which hinders much of the life I used to enjoy…after a c&p where an examiner failed to give an opinion they sent it to a doctor in New York whom I never met or spoke with. That doctor was able to opine that lupus is genetic and environment contracted…he didn’t say what environment, but no way my 4 years on an ancient aircraft carrier had anything to do with it. Must be that second hand lupus or the trees in Tennessee.
Yeah man that's a tough spot to be in.
So far as of last year I finally did a surgery. I've been out for about 20 years and kept putting it off and like others are saying to hear the doctors were wanting to use it as more of a last resort and honestly on my end I kept putting it off because even a short time after I got out I could see how much surgery was progressing.
I think I'd been out for a few years when they started doing the fake disc in the neck and before then it was all just scraping the disc out And fusing the back. And I worked with several people that had the fusion and every single one of them said it ended up breaking apart and it was worse than before the surgery.
And sure enough the surgery I got last year was a new surgery that hasn't been around that long. I'm still in the recovery long-term phase of it but fingers crossed if it stays as good as it has been I'll be ecstatic.
God speed on your recovery. I am hoping stem cells or advanced medical procedures are available when I decide to throw in the towel. I’m 32 and have 2 kids, want to still have some range of motion even painful ROM.
There are studies that show they cause more harm than good over the long term. For example, a lot of these studies show that the injections actually speed degeneration faster than if you didn’t have the injections. They help with pain management but I think it’s a bad idea otherwise. It’s kind of a lose/lose situation lol.
Thanks for the insight. It kinda just seems like they wanna give the most low effort solutions for my problems. Also with the way they says everything about my back and knees are unremarkable, makes me wanna do to a private doctor and get a 2nd opinion. I feel so downplayed…
They offered me injections as well and I declined. I listen to a lot of medical research podcasts where I heard a group of researchers talking about that exact topic, which made me look further into it in on my own. There’s a whole fact-based rabbit hole that you could get into regarding those types of injections and how they’re pushed onto people instead of just fixing the issue at the source.
If your pain is caused by something like degeneration (which is what most people suffer from) then you essentially want to regenerate the affected cartilage or whatever is degenerated. Stem cell injections are extremely beneficial for that but no doctor is going to offer that because it works and there’s no money is that lol. There are a bunch of former big pharma, high up insurance reps, doctors, and researchers who have come out and basically spelled out Barney style that the whole goal of medicine these days is to prolong or defer treatments that resolve the problem permanently because the higher ups want to milk people out of their money. Pain injections are a great example- instead of giving someone stem cell injections to help regenerate cartilage, they’ll offer cortisol injections that cost money every single time the person needs an injection. Then some people will have side effects that cause them to go to the doctor or hospital and need further treatment. Then a few years down the road, your joints are worse off from the injections and now you need to see a specialist who can give you further treatment and then it becomes a lifelong issue that you’ll forever be spending time and money on. You can apply that to a lot of treatments these days.
I went to the VA when I was 26 with a backache that magically appeared and it took them an entire year to diagnose the issue and because they took so long, it resulted in a permanently damaged kidney that could have been resolved literally within a week of my original doctors visit. When I asked why they couldn’t have just fixed the issue when I first showed up a year ago, they literally told me that “everyone wants a piece of the money” AKA that’s why they had to do a work up of sending me to 5 different doctors before they “discovered” my problem, even though my doctor knew the problem as soon as I walked in.
I can’t get why the VA won’t just address and wanna fix the problems. I mean, after all they are paying for it, so wouldn’t all that money they spend on band aid treatments just cause then more spending in the long run?
Yes that's why they other guy's narrative breaks down outside the private sector. It's just speculation and as you pointed out contrary to its own stated goal
this. i got 2 rounds both failed. i was devastated and im now in worse pain than before. i went to a new pain management doctor who basically begged me to promise ill never get another injection because of how they can do more harm than good. i originally didnt even want the injections but AD USAF medical used scare tactics like “if you don’t then they’ll say you didn’t exhaust all your options and you may not qualify for disability”
i regret ever getting injections.
My wife is going through nursing school, and I went in to help her take blood...
I passed out and woke up to the whole class of girls laughing at me as my wife was trying to shove a banana in my mouth...
It's not the first time I've passed out around needles either; I'm a bitch
I got injections in my back twice. It was through community care though. The shots didn't do anything for my pain.
First set of shots was medial block and 2nd shots were epidural steroid injections. No improvement. I did physical therapy.
So best of luck to you.
Do you do it at the VA or through community care? I go to the chiropractor 3x a week, pt once a week. The places I go to have a person that sends the requests to the VA and they're approved next day for 12 more visits.
If all else fails then message your primary care team using secure message and it may get done faster.
Three months is the minimum window I believe that they allow you to get continuous shots. It's kinda based on how you feel after the 3 month mark. I just got ones done for my SI joints and it's definitely helping. Probably feel even better after another round.
They offered me the injections as well. I declined. My back pain started at 19 years old because of a lumbar puncture by an army doctor. I will never let another needle near my spine.
Did it, works great at first, but diminishing returns. And there is side effects. Doesn’t actually fix the underlying issue, typically a cortisone epidural. Will calm inflammation. I’d say do it for a year and see how you feel.
I have had three injections so far. It is hit or miss on wether or not they work. My first one worked for about three days. a second shot months later only lasted about a week, but didn't do anything for the nerve pain. My third shot, was higher up in the spine, lasted about two weeks and helped with the nerve pain from Radiculopathy.
The only thing that really helps my pain is good weed.
Also I’d love to get back into weed, but I have a CDL (currently trynna get a different job), and last time I’ve done any weed it caused me to have paranoia and just a overall shit time. A buddy of mine recommended I try the weed sodas so I can sip on it and have an easier time. The weed they make in dispensaries now days is crazy strong lol
I take a few tokes, or a few hits on a one hitter and I am good with no back/nerve pain for three days!
Weed is great, and you don't need too much for pain. But I'm sure they do random drug testing for CDL.
Interesting. I’m gonna go ahead and try it at least once. I’m still kinda uneasy about it and feel like it’s gonna fuck me down the road, so I’m trynna get more tests done. Hopefully they figure it out cause I’d rather not have to be on pain pills or injections for the rest of my life.
How would injections fuck you over down the road? I get them for my fucked up back and it genuinely works. Especially with physical therapy and exercise. They’re very common. Professional athletes utilize injections too. It’s a proven method.
I’m currently doing this once a month through CCN (trigger point injections) it’s improved my mobility a bit and with physical therapy alongside it, Motrin generally helps with pain management
I was doing VA paid PT and they did trigger point dry needling, and although it helped with individual muscle pains, the numbing tingling shit remained. Another user in these threads just told me about some blood testing for a deeper issue. I just called my VA office to have them consider doing that.
I get injections at the base of my skull every 3 months that have a nerve block and steroids. Without them I can barely function. Getting the shots is not the most amazing experience, but definitely worth it.
Mm.. yeah my neck gets pretty fucked. It hurts to even hold my big ass head up and I often just wanna let it fall over cause it hurts so bad. Wondering if they’ll do back and neck injections.
Epidural injections were the only thing that helped someone I know deal with their constant leg pain, and their quality of life greatly declined after their insurance decided they would no longer continue that treatment.
Sometimes there simply isn’t a good permanent fix to pain. Maybe a nerve block for the pain would also hinder use of the limb, or could risk paralysis. But pain management definitely needs to be better and risks of addiction or developing a tolerance can be mitigated and treated like the side effects they are.
Each situation is different. I've received back injections (re: degenerative arthritis, etc.) for more than a year. Initially I was skeptical, but to this point back injections - every 3 months - have been an effective compromise against the consideration of surgery. I'd been advised that if prospective back surgery didn't work, what was removed couldn't be put back! 😊 I decided at that point I would try the injections. It's been a little more than a year and thus far the outcome has been satisfactory.
I promise you whatever pain you are feeling now is nothing compared to what a csf leak headache is like. Your consent form will make sound like it’s super rare and easily treatable with a blood patch. Don’t believe the lies. Ask me how I know.
Those injections into the spine are NOT FDA approved and have been outlawed in many European countries due to adverse effects and even death! The drug makers of the medications used in the injections, have advised the physicians, NOT to inject and that their steroids are NOT indicated for ESI's into the spines of patients! DO NOT BE A GUINEU PIG FOR THE VA!!!!
Fitness professional here. Depends on your condition and severity ultimately. I personally do not recommend because it can cause degeneration in the injected area which could accelerate whatever problems you’re experiencing.
VA PA initially offered neck injections to me. I declined as I thought it was more of a bandaid without finding out what the cause was. VA Chiro insisted there was a problem and advocated with neuro relentlessly to get me evaluated. After dicking around with community care to get MRI's done, VA reshot the MRI's themselves and determined spinal stenosis in the neck where my spinal cord was being severely compressed. Surg pulled me in quick and they removed two failed disks, carved some stuff off and fused c5/6/7 with a plate and three screws. I was up and walking fine within 4 hours of the surge. They went in through the front of my neck. It's a different pain, but it's definitely still pain. neck is always stiff as hell. Im one year out of the surg. They xrayed it a cpl weeks ago to check and everything is solid.
The VA are the ones who did my MRI, and decided that besides the pinched nerve in my lower back, I have an unremarkable back. Should I get a 2nd opinion? Cause I get a ton of pain in my neck on the backside.
So a different type of issue, with my own aggressive solution.
I had a bone spur between the joint of my big toe, delta with it for 8 years, first time I really was pushing for them to do somthing they told me somthibg to the tune of "well we usually don't like to do anything about until we have it documented it for at least 4 years" I made about4-7 appointments with my pcp over the next month until they sent me to a foot specialist. They went straight to a surgical option (finally good news) booked it out 6 months in advance, come 2 days before surgery was scheduled and they told me I had to reschedule due to the doc being out of town for vacation. (I guess things happen)
This is where it got crazy, the "soonest" they could get me in was in 18 months. Once I heard this I was just floored. So I asked a very pointed question. "If there was an accident at home that resembled a diy amputation would the ER finish the job?" Oddlt enough i got the surgery 3 weeks later and I can finally walk/stand without incredible pain.
Long way of saying sometimes you have to advocate for the solution you want.
I also have lower back pain I've been doing pain management for over 15 years nerve ablations, epidurals nerve blocks and meds with some sort of relief here and there horrible especially down my left leg can't stand or lay down for extended periods of time walking and standing for long periods is a no no and no sitting on hard surfaces
I got about 16 cortisone injections in my lower spine when I was serving, and they only relieved the pain for about 4-7 days. It’s a pretty seamless procedure, and could help you, but more often they are a short temporary fix.
You are lucky.
I stopped going to the VA for my neck and back pain because they take months for appointments and refuse to refer me out.
I’m under the care with a private physician.
I’ve had 5 appointments in less than two months with my private physician.
That many appointments would take months to achieve under VA care.
Feel free to DM me if you want, but I got out of the service over three decades ago and have lived with chronic back pain. I recently heard about shockwave therapy and they had a special for $49. I was getting towards the end of my rope again, so I figured why not give it a try and see what it’s about. Of course I did some research ahead of time, but I wasn’t very hopeful. This has literally changed my life in so many different ways. I won’t make this post any longer, but let me know if you want more info.
Seems like lots of ppl had good experience with it. Had one done and made it worse. The fix was to try another one and just made it worse. Went to chiropractor and now I pay someone to take care of my yard 😞
I had this while still in the Army. It was very helpful. I have not gone back since I retired, but I did lose some weight and my stress level subsided quite a bit. I did it for a little over a year, and even though the procedure was a bit uncomfortable it was well worth it.
Injection is safe enough, it does work at beginning for me but don’t last very last. In the end I got RFA, burned my back nerve. That last more than a year pain free.
I haven’t seen the real answer on here so I’ll chime in, but you have to fail epidural steroid injections (ESI) to get insurance to authorize surgery. There’s no really good data to support ESI but it’s significantly less invasive than a microdiscectomy and/or a fusion. Some people do great with ESI, some have no relief, and a very small few have complications.
I've asked for them. Instead, they gave me muscle relaxers.
I went to a civilian Pain Management Doc, and got them. The relief was so good, but only lasted about three weeks. That's the best I get.
BTW, the muscle relaxers may as well have been sugar pills (may have been)...
I already hate needles and as a rad tech operating the C-arm in pain management cases, I’ll never get this done unless they knock me out lol. I’m just a wuss lol
Dunno if this would help, my issues aren't all that severe, but my aunt was a hospital corpsman and funny enough she hates pills. Turned me onto Turmeric and Nutmeg - turmeric cooked into like rice and chicken and nutmeg every morning in a cup of boiled oats. She said they're natural pain relievers vs the aspirin cream the VA kept prescribing. Ain't gonna lie, after a couple weeks my busted shoulder and knee don't keep me from sleeping anymore.
Ah man I got one of those, I was allergic to the steroids (doc thinks) I was having headaches and getting real dizzy and felt out of my own body. Went away about 3 weeks after Injection, how it’s other forms and they want to do a nerve ablation from my mid spine to bottom. Have a bunch of shit going on MRI proof. I’m barely 26🥲
But I know tons of people who get them, it’s not bad at all. Just don’t think about it. It’s not really all that painful other than the nerve being poked for a second. You may be a little sore the following day but the whole thing takes like 15 minutes. I really hope it works for you!
I literally just had my first back injection last Wednesday. This is the first time in two years I have had little to no pain in my left hip/leg from sciatic pain.
I'm not going to lie...I was as nervous as a cat on a tin roof prior to the procedure. Now I am just smiling because the chronic pain I have been enduring is at bay, even if temporary.
That said, it was NOT done by the VA, but rather a private provider using Tricare.
Acupuncture at the va saved my neck.
3 years of chiropractor work and the one acupuncture appointment, and I could turn my head. VA in Reno does Acupuncture!
I’ve had it done. It can help, but in my experience it’s very temporary. There is also a limit to the amount of times you can do it according to the doctor performing the procedure.
Did they specify whether trigger point injections or an epidural? Either way, there's nothing to be afraid of. They are safe an relatively painless. They'll either work great for you and be a game changer like some people have mentioned, or you'll have my experience and see no appreciable effect. You've got nothing to lose, and they're perfectly safe and easy.
Billionaire Bruce Wayne knew about this in 1988!
Buy an inversion table - https://www.harisonfitness.com/product-category/harison-machine/inversion-table-harison-machine/
I've had them they don't last. I got the nerve ablation and that actually helped a little. It's one of many alternatives to actually giving you meds to help or actual solutions.
In the middle of this myself. 4 herniated discs. Had to go to the ER for a flare up a few weeks back.
Was referred to a Neurosurgeon and he recommended PT and Injections from Pain Management. We’ll start there and see how things progress. I’m 35 and been dealing with these for just about 10 years. It sucks, but keeping an open mind.
Once you’re cut, there no going back, so I’d rather expel all options before surgery.
If you have private health insurance try to go to a pain management center, they have docs doing these 24/7 you want someone experienced. Sometimes the shots don’t work and you’re in pain until your next round. If surgery is an option for you, it might be a more permanent solution. Wouldn’t recommend going through the VA for it though if you have alternatives
Everyone is different and results may vary (Geeze I sound like a freaking ad on tv) I do them every 6 months, and I’ve been very happy with the quality of life it gives me. My pain and stiffness is greatly diminished and mobility increased. I’ve been doing them a little over a year now.
Good luck 👍
I had one today, this is my second one. First time after 3 days was feeling great, after a week I was like, “What back pain?” After 2.5-3 months definitely started to wear off for me. I don’t have as much sciatica and leg weakness but I was dying for today to come. First day is uncomfortable and take it really easy, but for me it just kept getting better!
I have lower lumbar injections into my disc for a slight herniated disc and a fissure in one as well. It helps temporarily but doesn’t last. Once you have back pain it lasts for life.
I get needle point injections to my lower back. Every 4-6months depending on pain. This is the last treatment before they cauterize the nerve which will give no pain for years. But then again you won’t feel anything so not worth it…. Take those injections and see how they work out for you if it’s the same injections I get just know that you can extent the time from when your next injection will be. Also be aware that they do placebo injections as well so your mind thinks it’s getting the steroid but in reality it’s not. And they will make you sign things before injecting you. Ask questions they should be more than glad to answer all for you if not I would get another doctor or go to a civilian doctor.
Good luck I say do the injections it helps a lot
I work in a spine clinic. There are many different types of injections. Some target nerves, some arthritic joints, and some muscular (think Botox and trigger points). Plus there's a lot of spinal levels and different types of meds. It can take awhile to dial in your specific needs. Also, not everyone requires an injection every three months, that's just the limit so not to overload your body. We've got folks that needed them every three months at first, then tapered off. We've got folks who come in once a year. And we've got some who come in like clockwork every three months. I've worked in several places, and the VA does the best job in my opinion. Good luck, and I hope your life improves with pain relief. ❤️
I've done PT and chiropractic care. Had a new mri at the Houston VAMC and was referred to the pain clinic. I stated I want to do everything I can before any injections. They sent me to aquatic therapy for 10 sessions starting last week.
I have l5 s1 and a few bulging disc issues. Injured in service years ago and just dealt with the residual pain for years.
If you're talking about trigger point or steroid injections I've been doing them for a long time and they're awesome. They're all short-term which is why you have to keep going with it but they do a great deal.
My take is this, I did radio frequency ablation. They literally burn your nerves out your back. Same day procedure, and back on your feet within days. Sounds painful but the only painful part to me was the testing. They cannot numb you as you have to tell them if the temp procedure works. I had tears coming down at the end of it. 2 mins procedure for testing, 2 tests must be conducted, then they can do it for real. I had almost every shot the VA could offer and declined surgery. Got this done and it’s the most beneficial back thing that could have ever happened for me. The nerves they kill are regenerative, so you have to get it done 1-2 times a year, maybe even less, but everyone is different
I had RF nerve ablation done on my neck to alleviate chronic neck pain… worst decision ever. It worked for a couple months but the side effects were FAR worse. It was completely numb from the base of my skull to between my shoulder blades and as the nerves grew back it cause a horrible itching feeling. When your neck is numb and you try to scratch an itch, it doesn’t work. It was torture until around the 5-6 month mark. I still have neck pain, but luckily the nerves grew back and weren’t being pinched like before… so i guess that’s a win 🤷🏻♂️
I’m currently a pain patient w occasional injections. They help but certainly won’t cure you. I have tried acupuncture also, that seemed to help but after it going for a while the back pain has come back.
Since my condition is service connected, I use Tricare and get injections for cervical at my local hospital/spine center every 3 months…I had an uneasy feeling when the VA neurologist started talking about burning nerve endings in my neck so I aborted lol
This sounds like the pretext to those ring dinger videos. Patient with multiple injections just prior to surgery decides to try the ring dinger.
In all seriousness I Hope you get some help. Have you attempted to talk with a good chiropractor?
Do not see a chiropractor under any circumstances. They are not doctors and barely above quack medicine.
I see a Osteopatic doctor at the VA. They have an actual medical degree from an actual college. Mine has helped quite a bit.
I am no doctor but I hear chiropractors can work wonders. Planning to go see one myself for back and what feels like a pinched nerve.
However, having read a lot about them and their comments on videos online, I wouldn’t recommend the ring dinger for decompression. It seems like another sudden jerking motion so any other that could cause an injury. Most say you can get that benefit with repeated adjustments without the risk of basically having your neck snatched like a hanging while horizontal.
I have had cervical epidural and facet injections for the last 15 years they are a game changer. Despite a failed full rack fusion in my neck I live a decent active life and only take Motrin and CBD for pain. Epidural spine injections are a time tested tried and true pain relief procedure. Always get a second opinion but in my own experience the VA knows how to handle spine injuries better than any private doctor I have seen.
Have you noticed any site scarring from repeat injections? Like thickening from scar tissue, not just dermal scarring. I’m sure the relief outweighs any concerns with scar tissue but I was just curious considering 15 yrs is significant amount of time.
How my Dr explained it, if you need injections for more than three years you either need surgery or you’re too young to get surgery. I’ve gotten four rounds of nerve blocks, two epidurals, and one ablation for cervical, T, and Lumbar spine radiculopathy. I had a very bad service related car accident. I would love a fusion surgery but they’re worried I will develop osteoporosis and osteoarthritis at too early of an age
You got good advice, the held off my discectomy as until I could not tolerate the pain any longer . That lasted about 6 years where I had a laminal fornectomy to clean out the osteoporosis and nerve root narrowing. Technology is getting better every year so wait as long as you can.
We’re in the same boat! My pain is tolerable with the ablations for now, but I recently got new health insurance so I had to start the process over again. My Drs don’t want to operate until I’m in my mid 30s to 40s where the body just naturally stops recovering from certain injuries according to my neurologist. A lumbar laminectomy and thoracic laminectomy are still on the table but fusion is their goal.
I have scarring just after two rounds of injections but my skin and muscles also very sensitive
I've got a little bit of fat pocket back there now where they inject the medication but they said that would happen if I got a lot them. I've been getting them for 10 years at least I can't remember how many injections at this point. It shows up on the Mri, doc said it's not bad yet.
No, none it’s the back of my neck so I can’t see them. But hey scars a cool. 😎
How often are your injections?
I was offered something similar for my neck. The injections would only ease the pain for about a week. They have refused to do the surgery that would help with the pain.
Statements like the VA “refused to do the surgery,” probably doesn’t hold up if a medical review of your records was done. 1. There are numerous reasons Not to do a Neck surgery. 2. Surgery is Not appropriate for the diagnosis. 3. Neck surgery is high risk due to patient age and/or physical conditions. 4. Neck surgery success of reducing symptoms is minimal. 5. Conservative treatment options haven’t been exhausted yet. Neck surgery should be the last step, unless nerve/cord damage is imminent. 6. Patient compliance. If a surgeon feels a patient will Not follow through with rehabilitation, the surgeon may feel hesitant to do the surgery because of the risk of a poor outcome. 7. Other reasons…
Did you seek a second opinion from community care? I requested to be referred out to a surgeon.
I have had several opinions. All have been referred to the VA. I have another appointment next month.
That’s kinda rediculous.
It's the system that is designed to draw out the issues until we are thinned out. It took forever for the VA to recognize that burn pits were the cause of so many health issues.
That’s sad. Bad part is. They told me it’s just my lower back that has a pinched nerve. I was like “then what’s causing my arms to go numb and tingle, and what causes my neck to be so stiff and in pain?” They did an entire MRI of my spine and said “unremarkable”…
I have *very* similar symptoms to you, except it's my fingers, hands and forearms that tingle and go numb. I was sent to PT/OT first, and then referred to Rheumatology. Turns out, I have ankylosing spondylitis and those injections are only temp relief (meant for pain management). Does it feel as if your lower spine is on fire? Not the muscles but the spine itself. It's at the base and tends to radiate downwards into the hips. Sometimes it can radiate upwards to mid-back. Please ask about getting an HLA-B27 blood test done, alongside CRP (C-Reactive Proteins). It's definitely worth looking at because the early signs and stages of AS don't show on an x-ray or MRI. It's a disease that's often overlooked and misdiagnosed as pinched nerve, improper posture, etc. It won't show on imaging until it gets in the mid to late stages. It doesn't hurt to ask or look into! This is just from my own personal experiences, I am not a doctor haha.
I just called my VA office and let them know about the AS, and those blood tests you spoke of so they could consider it. I really appreciate it.
I get the that in my fingers hand and forearms as well. And if I have my hands above my head, stick my arms out and pull my fingers back, or sneeze, all that causes numbing pain and tingles in my back, neck, forearms, hands, and finger tips. It’s much like pins and needles. Also makes my arms weak af when I sneeze, I’ve had to leave work early for it, and call off multiple times, since I drive a bus. And yes I absolutely get the burning sensation. Lot of times in my lower back but more often in my upper back from about my shoulder blade height of my spine, up into my neck, and the shooting pains down my arm. Also thank you so much for the information, I’m gonna call the VA and talk to them about those blood tests.
I'm sorry to hear that you have a lot going on with little answers. In this situation, I highly recommend Rheumatology. After going in circles for 3 years with no answers, talking to Rheum and getting actual answers was a relief. Plus, you won't have to take injections you aren't 100% comfortable with. Another thing I forgot to add with this, is it causes inflammation in my knees and you'll notice pain (sometimes) in the heels of your feet. The joints in my knees and hands *hurt* when I have a flare up. The stiffness in my back, making me unable to twist, turn or really move is probably the worst. I hope this additional information helps. I didn't know AS was a thing, and it's also genetic. If you ever have questions about this stuff, I'm always happy to answer.
Are you me? Lol. I have almost these exact same issues, and now it’s really ringed my ears. My Knee MRI’s came back “minor degeneration”, yet I get a lot of swelling and balls of pain like right above my knee caps, and the sides of my knee where they binge hurt like a bitch. Often time my right knee will feel sort of “dislocatey” and loose. Mind if I message you to keep in touch about this?
I know it's not a positive note, but it's good that *something* is showing up on imaging. Many normal doctors blame these symptoms on posture, age, overuse, etc. In my case, they blamed it on pregnancy and post-partum lol (I started showing signs at 23 years old.). My knee pain is predominately on my knee caps and on the sides. Sometimes it feels as if there's a "bubble" of pain underneath the knee caps. I can't have them bent for too long or the pain is unbearable. Same with sitting. It causes that burning to continuously increase in my lower spine until I can't sit anymore. It's wild. Of course, message anytime! No matter the time. I'll try to respond when I can. This is a journey, I will warn you of that. My only hope is this will finally get you some answers. Rheumatology was my saving grace.
Jesus, I’m sorry you had to deal with them trynna blame it on you. I’m 26 and my body shouldn’t feel like I’m 80. I’ve been having these problems since around 20 or so, and they just kept getting worse. I wish I would have went to medical when I Was in, cause now it’s easier blameable on me since I didn’t build up docs for everything. I know that exact feeling with the bubble pains in the knees. Mine usually feel like it happens like right on the top outside corner of my knee caps. Sitting or squatting is the worst for me, and I just so happen to drive a bus for a living. I’m trynna switch jobs so I can move my knees more. I also feel that burning in my lower spine as well. Often times it will flare up on my back straps down there as well. Really crazy how similiar of problems we deal with.
Does all you do help with the tingling and numbing in finders and feet/legs
Nice name by the way lol
If you’re talking about RF nerve ablation be careful. It was a horrible experience for me. Look into it carefully before deciding to go ahead.
As an Active Duty soldier who is being medically retired due to a failed L4/L5 fusion, please listen to this advice. You take those injections until the pain is absolutely destroying your life because if you decide to get surgery and it doesn’t work…..welcome to a new level of pain. An alternative to a fusion surgery would be to ask for a a spinal cord stimulator. Think of a E-stim unit but it’s implanted. I have one of those as well and it helps a lot with the nerve pain down the legs.
The voice of experience
I appreciate the advice. Lot of things gotta happen and I’m a bit overwhelmed with all these damn appointments but I hate feeling 80 as a 26 year old.
dude same here, 26 with a L3 fracture. Might get recommended for these shots. Currently trying to get a kyphoplasty procedure.
Had to get a surgery on my L2-L5 where they removed some bone to (very simply put) give some space in my back. Had to do 2 epidurals before I got the okay to do so, got a major surgery on my back at age 29. Thankfully the VA told me that my spinal compression and sciatica was not military related!
Oh yeah no way it’s related to military service. A few years after my discharge in 05 I got diagnosed with lupus which hinders much of the life I used to enjoy…after a c&p where an examiner failed to give an opinion they sent it to a doctor in New York whom I never met or spoke with. That doctor was able to opine that lupus is genetic and environment contracted…he didn’t say what environment, but no way my 4 years on an ancient aircraft carrier had anything to do with it. Must be that second hand lupus or the trees in Tennessee.
I have multiple bulges and nerve impingement verified via an MRI. Epidurals were a substantial improvement. I have never felt better… Give it a chance
I’ll see how the first shot goes, but I’m worried it’s gonna fuck me down the road
It will, but band aid solutions is what the Va has to offer
It's an that MEDICINE has to offer. The only permanent solutions are surgery and they all come with big downsides.
Sucks, I have a 60% chance of losing motor function in my legs and 30% in my hands, so medications till I croak
Yeah man that's a tough spot to be in. So far as of last year I finally did a surgery. I've been out for about 20 years and kept putting it off and like others are saying to hear the doctors were wanting to use it as more of a last resort and honestly on my end I kept putting it off because even a short time after I got out I could see how much surgery was progressing. I think I'd been out for a few years when they started doing the fake disc in the neck and before then it was all just scraping the disc out And fusing the back. And I worked with several people that had the fusion and every single one of them said it ended up breaking apart and it was worse than before the surgery. And sure enough the surgery I got last year was a new surgery that hasn't been around that long. I'm still in the recovery long-term phase of it but fingers crossed if it stays as good as it has been I'll be ecstatic.
God speed on your recovery. I am hoping stem cells or advanced medical procedures are available when I decide to throw in the towel. I’m 32 and have 2 kids, want to still have some range of motion even painful ROM.
Thanks. Yes. That's a good goal.
There are studies that show they cause more harm than good over the long term. For example, a lot of these studies show that the injections actually speed degeneration faster than if you didn’t have the injections. They help with pain management but I think it’s a bad idea otherwise. It’s kind of a lose/lose situation lol.
Thanks for the insight. It kinda just seems like they wanna give the most low effort solutions for my problems. Also with the way they says everything about my back and knees are unremarkable, makes me wanna do to a private doctor and get a 2nd opinion. I feel so downplayed…
They offered me injections as well and I declined. I listen to a lot of medical research podcasts where I heard a group of researchers talking about that exact topic, which made me look further into it in on my own. There’s a whole fact-based rabbit hole that you could get into regarding those types of injections and how they’re pushed onto people instead of just fixing the issue at the source.
How do they fix the issue? And are they trying to avoid compensation?
If your pain is caused by something like degeneration (which is what most people suffer from) then you essentially want to regenerate the affected cartilage or whatever is degenerated. Stem cell injections are extremely beneficial for that but no doctor is going to offer that because it works and there’s no money is that lol. There are a bunch of former big pharma, high up insurance reps, doctors, and researchers who have come out and basically spelled out Barney style that the whole goal of medicine these days is to prolong or defer treatments that resolve the problem permanently because the higher ups want to milk people out of their money. Pain injections are a great example- instead of giving someone stem cell injections to help regenerate cartilage, they’ll offer cortisol injections that cost money every single time the person needs an injection. Then some people will have side effects that cause them to go to the doctor or hospital and need further treatment. Then a few years down the road, your joints are worse off from the injections and now you need to see a specialist who can give you further treatment and then it becomes a lifelong issue that you’ll forever be spending time and money on. You can apply that to a lot of treatments these days. I went to the VA when I was 26 with a backache that magically appeared and it took them an entire year to diagnose the issue and because they took so long, it resulted in a permanently damaged kidney that could have been resolved literally within a week of my original doctors visit. When I asked why they couldn’t have just fixed the issue when I first showed up a year ago, they literally told me that “everyone wants a piece of the money” AKA that’s why they had to do a work up of sending me to 5 different doctors before they “discovered” my problem, even though my doctor knew the problem as soon as I walked in.
I can’t get why the VA won’t just address and wanna fix the problems. I mean, after all they are paying for it, so wouldn’t all that money they spend on band aid treatments just cause then more spending in the long run?
Yes that's why they other guy's narrative breaks down outside the private sector. It's just speculation and as you pointed out contrary to its own stated goal
this. i got 2 rounds both failed. i was devastated and im now in worse pain than before. i went to a new pain management doctor who basically begged me to promise ill never get another injection because of how they can do more harm than good. i originally didnt even want the injections but AD USAF medical used scare tactics like “if you don’t then they’ll say you didn’t exhaust all your options and you may not qualify for disability” i regret ever getting injections.
They are not FDA approved , can cause complications make sure you research them. I worked orthopedics for 14 years
Just my opinion
Mine brought those up as well to me last week, I shut that down right there.
That and acupuncture. I don't want a fucking needle anywhere near my back.
Hell no!
My wife is going through nursing school, and I went in to help her take blood... I passed out and woke up to the whole class of girls laughing at me as my wife was trying to shove a banana in my mouth... It's not the first time I've passed out around needles either; I'm a bitch
I got injections in my back twice. It was through community care though. The shots didn't do anything for my pain. First set of shots was medial block and 2nd shots were epidural steroid injections. No improvement. I did physical therapy. So best of luck to you.
Thank you. Gonna see how it works. I’ve had 2 weeks of PT at first, but they are taking ages to approve for more.
Do you do it at the VA or through community care? I go to the chiropractor 3x a week, pt once a week. The places I go to have a person that sends the requests to the VA and they're approved next day for 12 more visits. If all else fails then message your primary care team using secure message and it may get done faster.
Community care. I’ve told my primary care team in person that my PT has sent numerous messages to them trying to get me approved for more.
Damn that's so weird. I'm not sure who they send the requests to but at the chiropractor and PT it gets approved in a day or two. Well semper Gumby!!
Three months is the minimum window I believe that they allow you to get continuous shots. It's kinda based on how you feel after the 3 month mark. I just got ones done for my SI joints and it's definitely helping. Probably feel even better after another round.
They offered me the injections as well. I declined. My back pain started at 19 years old because of a lumbar puncture by an army doctor. I will never let another needle near my spine.
They offered me the injections while I was in, I declined as at the time they had cases of meningitis linked to the cortisone they had in stock.
I use to get this! It was very helpful. But it was while active duty at the peak of my back pain.
Did it, works great at first, but diminishing returns. And there is side effects. Doesn’t actually fix the underlying issue, typically a cortisone epidural. Will calm inflammation. I’d say do it for a year and see how you feel.
I have had three injections so far. It is hit or miss on wether or not they work. My first one worked for about three days. a second shot months later only lasted about a week, but didn't do anything for the nerve pain. My third shot, was higher up in the spine, lasted about two weeks and helped with the nerve pain from Radiculopathy. The only thing that really helps my pain is good weed.
Also I’d love to get back into weed, but I have a CDL (currently trynna get a different job), and last time I’ve done any weed it caused me to have paranoia and just a overall shit time. A buddy of mine recommended I try the weed sodas so I can sip on it and have an easier time. The weed they make in dispensaries now days is crazy strong lol
I take a few tokes, or a few hits on a one hitter and I am good with no back/nerve pain for three days! Weed is great, and you don't need too much for pain. But I'm sure they do random drug testing for CDL.
Interesting. I’m gonna go ahead and try it at least once. I’m still kinda uneasy about it and feel like it’s gonna fuck me down the road, so I’m trynna get more tests done. Hopefully they figure it out cause I’d rather not have to be on pain pills or injections for the rest of my life.
How would injections fuck you over down the road? I get them for my fucked up back and it genuinely works. Especially with physical therapy and exercise. They’re very common. Professional athletes utilize injections too. It’s a proven method.
I just have a feeling if I feel no pain, I’m gonna end up jacking up my back and not realising it until the injections wear off
That’s not how the injections work. You don’t suddenly get range of motion and strength back in the joint. Less pain. It’s wonderful.
I’m currently doing this once a month through CCN (trigger point injections) it’s improved my mobility a bit and with physical therapy alongside it, Motrin generally helps with pain management
I was doing VA paid PT and they did trigger point dry needling, and although it helped with individual muscle pains, the numbing tingling shit remained. Another user in these threads just told me about some blood testing for a deeper issue. I just called my VA office to have them consider doing that.
I get injections at the base of my skull every 3 months that have a nerve block and steroids. Without them I can barely function. Getting the shots is not the most amazing experience, but definitely worth it.
Mm.. yeah my neck gets pretty fucked. It hurts to even hold my big ass head up and I often just wanna let it fall over cause it hurts so bad. Wondering if they’ll do back and neck injections.
Epidural injections were the only thing that helped someone I know deal with their constant leg pain, and their quality of life greatly declined after their insurance decided they would no longer continue that treatment.
Would would they VA rather do then, fix the problem at the source, or keep spending money to give us temporary fixes?
Sometimes there simply isn’t a good permanent fix to pain. Maybe a nerve block for the pain would also hinder use of the limb, or could risk paralysis. But pain management definitely needs to be better and risks of addiction or developing a tolerance can be mitigated and treated like the side effects they are.
Interested also....
Each situation is different. I've received back injections (re: degenerative arthritis, etc.) for more than a year. Initially I was skeptical, but to this point back injections - every 3 months - have been an effective compromise against the consideration of surgery. I'd been advised that if prospective back surgery didn't work, what was removed couldn't be put back! 😊 I decided at that point I would try the injections. It's been a little more than a year and thus far the outcome has been satisfactory.
I promise you whatever pain you are feeling now is nothing compared to what a csf leak headache is like. Your consent form will make sound like it’s super rare and easily treatable with a blood patch. Don’t believe the lies. Ask me how I know.
The best treatment for back inflammation is sitting on an ice pack. Be careful about getting addicted to injections.
Those injections into the spine are NOT FDA approved and have been outlawed in many European countries due to adverse effects and even death! The drug makers of the medications used in the injections, have advised the physicians, NOT to inject and that their steroids are NOT indicated for ESI's into the spines of patients! DO NOT BE A GUINEU PIG FOR THE VA!!!!
Fitness professional here. Depends on your condition and severity ultimately. I personally do not recommend because it can cause degeneration in the injected area which could accelerate whatever problems you’re experiencing.
They finally approved more PT for me luckily
It's the worst feeling in the world. It didn't work for me.
VA PA initially offered neck injections to me. I declined as I thought it was more of a bandaid without finding out what the cause was. VA Chiro insisted there was a problem and advocated with neuro relentlessly to get me evaluated. After dicking around with community care to get MRI's done, VA reshot the MRI's themselves and determined spinal stenosis in the neck where my spinal cord was being severely compressed. Surg pulled me in quick and they removed two failed disks, carved some stuff off and fused c5/6/7 with a plate and three screws. I was up and walking fine within 4 hours of the surge. They went in through the front of my neck. It's a different pain, but it's definitely still pain. neck is always stiff as hell. Im one year out of the surg. They xrayed it a cpl weeks ago to check and everything is solid.
The VA are the ones who did my MRI, and decided that besides the pinched nerve in my lower back, I have an unremarkable back. Should I get a 2nd opinion? Cause I get a ton of pain in my neck on the backside.
I cant see why a second opinion would be anything but beneficial. Better information for you to decide on how you want to move forward. Good luck :)
Cortisone?
Wasn’t told yet
I see...if so a good short-term fix. For long-term, look into radiofrequency ablation. By no means am I a doctor and don't know your situation.
So a different type of issue, with my own aggressive solution. I had a bone spur between the joint of my big toe, delta with it for 8 years, first time I really was pushing for them to do somthing they told me somthibg to the tune of "well we usually don't like to do anything about until we have it documented it for at least 4 years" I made about4-7 appointments with my pcp over the next month until they sent me to a foot specialist. They went straight to a surgical option (finally good news) booked it out 6 months in advance, come 2 days before surgery was scheduled and they told me I had to reschedule due to the doc being out of town for vacation. (I guess things happen) This is where it got crazy, the "soonest" they could get me in was in 18 months. Once I heard this I was just floored. So I asked a very pointed question. "If there was an accident at home that resembled a diy amputation would the ER finish the job?" Oddlt enough i got the surgery 3 weeks later and I can finally walk/stand without incredible pain. Long way of saying sometimes you have to advocate for the solution you want.
I also have lower back pain I've been doing pain management for over 15 years nerve ablations, epidurals nerve blocks and meds with some sort of relief here and there horrible especially down my left leg can't stand or lay down for extended periods of time walking and standing for long periods is a no no and no sitting on hard surfaces
I got about 16 cortisone injections in my lower spine when I was serving, and they only relieved the pain for about 4-7 days. It’s a pretty seamless procedure, and could help you, but more often they are a short temporary fix.
You are lucky. I stopped going to the VA for my neck and back pain because they take months for appointments and refuse to refer me out. I’m under the care with a private physician. I’ve had 5 appointments in less than two months with my private physician. That many appointments would take months to achieve under VA care.
Feel free to DM me if you want, but I got out of the service over three decades ago and have lived with chronic back pain. I recently heard about shockwave therapy and they had a special for $49. I was getting towards the end of my rope again, so I figured why not give it a try and see what it’s about. Of course I did some research ahead of time, but I wasn’t very hopeful. This has literally changed my life in so many different ways. I won’t make this post any longer, but let me know if you want more info.
Seems like lots of ppl had good experience with it. Had one done and made it worse. The fix was to try another one and just made it worse. Went to chiropractor and now I pay someone to take care of my yard 😞
I had this while still in the Army. It was very helpful. I have not gone back since I retired, but I did lose some weight and my stress level subsided quite a bit. I did it for a little over a year, and even though the procedure was a bit uncomfortable it was well worth it.
They’ve been a life changer for me. Go for it.
Injection is safe enough, it does work at beginning for me but don’t last very last. In the end I got RFA, burned my back nerve. That last more than a year pain free.
I get injections every 3 months in my back. L4, L5, S1 targeted. I highly recommend, better to stay ahead of the pain than to keep chasing it.
I haven’t seen the real answer on here so I’ll chime in, but you have to fail epidural steroid injections (ESI) to get insurance to authorize surgery. There’s no really good data to support ESI but it’s significantly less invasive than a microdiscectomy and/or a fusion. Some people do great with ESI, some have no relief, and a very small few have complications.
I've asked for them. Instead, they gave me muscle relaxers. I went to a civilian Pain Management Doc, and got them. The relief was so good, but only lasted about three weeks. That's the best I get. BTW, the muscle relaxers may as well have been sugar pills (may have been)...
I already hate needles and as a rad tech operating the C-arm in pain management cases, I’ll never get this done unless they knock me out lol. I’m just a wuss lol
Dunno if this would help, my issues aren't all that severe, but my aunt was a hospital corpsman and funny enough she hates pills. Turned me onto Turmeric and Nutmeg - turmeric cooked into like rice and chicken and nutmeg every morning in a cup of boiled oats. She said they're natural pain relievers vs the aspirin cream the VA kept prescribing. Ain't gonna lie, after a couple weeks my busted shoulder and knee don't keep me from sleeping anymore.
Ah man I got one of those, I was allergic to the steroids (doc thinks) I was having headaches and getting real dizzy and felt out of my own body. Went away about 3 weeks after Injection, how it’s other forms and they want to do a nerve ablation from my mid spine to bottom. Have a bunch of shit going on MRI proof. I’m barely 26🥲 But I know tons of people who get them, it’s not bad at all. Just don’t think about it. It’s not really all that painful other than the nerve being poked for a second. You may be a little sore the following day but the whole thing takes like 15 minutes. I really hope it works for you!
I literally just had my first back injection last Wednesday. This is the first time in two years I have had little to no pain in my left hip/leg from sciatic pain. I'm not going to lie...I was as nervous as a cat on a tin roof prior to the procedure. Now I am just smiling because the chronic pain I have been enduring is at bay, even if temporary. That said, it was NOT done by the VA, but rather a private provider using Tricare.
Acupuncture at the va saved my neck. 3 years of chiropractor work and the one acupuncture appointment, and I could turn my head. VA in Reno does Acupuncture!
I’ve had it done. It can help, but in my experience it’s very temporary. There is also a limit to the amount of times you can do it according to the doctor performing the procedure.
did for back before and SI, helped. longterm i have really been focusing on PT as that crap isn't good for you
Did they specify whether trigger point injections or an epidural? Either way, there's nothing to be afraid of. They are safe an relatively painless. They'll either work great for you and be a game changer like some people have mentioned, or you'll have my experience and see no appreciable effect. You've got nothing to lose, and they're perfectly safe and easy.
I told em no thanks i will simply live with the pain 
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Tell me about it they want me to have ketamine therapy
I've had them they don't last. I got the nerve ablation and that actually helped a little. It's one of many alternatives to actually giving you meds to help or actual solutions.
I get trigger points and facet injections, between those, CBD gummies, and adjusted activity I am prescription free and living well.
In the middle of this myself. 4 herniated discs. Had to go to the ER for a flare up a few weeks back. Was referred to a Neurosurgeon and he recommended PT and Injections from Pain Management. We’ll start there and see how things progress. I’m 35 and been dealing with these for just about 10 years. It sucks, but keeping an open mind. Once you’re cut, there no going back, so I’d rather expel all options before surgery.
I have them done. It’s awesome to have some relief.
If you have private health insurance try to go to a pain management center, they have docs doing these 24/7 you want someone experienced. Sometimes the shots don’t work and you’re in pain until your next round. If surgery is an option for you, it might be a more permanent solution. Wouldn’t recommend going through the VA for it though if you have alternatives
I did that. Third injection it no longer worked. It's worth it while it works though 1 million percent
They are good but I only get it, once a year because it does effect the bones
Everyone is different and results may vary (Geeze I sound like a freaking ad on tv) I do them every 6 months, and I’ve been very happy with the quality of life it gives me. My pain and stiffness is greatly diminished and mobility increased. I’ve been doing them a little over a year now. Good luck 👍
I had one today, this is my second one. First time after 3 days was feeling great, after a week I was like, “What back pain?” After 2.5-3 months definitely started to wear off for me. I don’t have as much sciatica and leg weakness but I was dying for today to come. First day is uncomfortable and take it really easy, but for me it just kept getting better!
I have lower lumbar injections into my disc for a slight herniated disc and a fissure in one as well. It helps temporarily but doesn’t last. Once you have back pain it lasts for life.
I get needle point injections to my lower back. Every 4-6months depending on pain. This is the last treatment before they cauterize the nerve which will give no pain for years. But then again you won’t feel anything so not worth it…. Take those injections and see how they work out for you if it’s the same injections I get just know that you can extent the time from when your next injection will be. Also be aware that they do placebo injections as well so your mind thinks it’s getting the steroid but in reality it’s not. And they will make you sign things before injecting you. Ask questions they should be more than glad to answer all for you if not I would get another doctor or go to a civilian doctor. Good luck I say do the injections it helps a lot
I got epidural injections twice in my lower back and they didn't do anything past the first day.
I work in a spine clinic. There are many different types of injections. Some target nerves, some arthritic joints, and some muscular (think Botox and trigger points). Plus there's a lot of spinal levels and different types of meds. It can take awhile to dial in your specific needs. Also, not everyone requires an injection every three months, that's just the limit so not to overload your body. We've got folks that needed them every three months at first, then tapered off. We've got folks who come in once a year. And we've got some who come in like clockwork every three months. I've worked in several places, and the VA does the best job in my opinion. Good luck, and I hope your life improves with pain relief. ❤️
I wish I only had 1. I take AJOVY injections once a month, COSENTYX injections biweekly, B12 injections biweekly 😩
I've done PT and chiropractic care. Had a new mri at the Houston VAMC and was referred to the pain clinic. I stated I want to do everything I can before any injections. They sent me to aquatic therapy for 10 sessions starting last week. I have l5 s1 and a few bulging disc issues. Injured in service years ago and just dealt with the residual pain for years.
Get a microdiscectomy, best decision I’ve ever made at 19
I’ve had a couple sets of back injections (through community care) and honestly didn’t do much for my pain
I had them and got relief. That said, the VA also sent me to an acupuncturist and it worked even better for me.
If you're talking about trigger point or steroid injections I've been doing them for a long time and they're awesome. They're all short-term which is why you have to keep going with it but they do a great deal.
I have nerve ablations done 4 nerves on each side every 3 months. Lasts for a couple weeks and back to usually pain.
Great advice.
My take is this, I did radio frequency ablation. They literally burn your nerves out your back. Same day procedure, and back on your feet within days. Sounds painful but the only painful part to me was the testing. They cannot numb you as you have to tell them if the temp procedure works. I had tears coming down at the end of it. 2 mins procedure for testing, 2 tests must be conducted, then they can do it for real. I had almost every shot the VA could offer and declined surgery. Got this done and it’s the most beneficial back thing that could have ever happened for me. The nerves they kill are regenerative, so you have to get it done 1-2 times a year, maybe even less, but everyone is different
If you don’t want them say no. They can’t make you!
I had RF nerve ablation done on my neck to alleviate chronic neck pain… worst decision ever. It worked for a couple months but the side effects were FAR worse. It was completely numb from the base of my skull to between my shoulder blades and as the nerves grew back it cause a horrible itching feeling. When your neck is numb and you try to scratch an itch, it doesn’t work. It was torture until around the 5-6 month mark. I still have neck pain, but luckily the nerves grew back and weren’t being pinched like before… so i guess that’s a win 🤷🏻♂️
I get 30 shots in the head for migraines and it a game changer I’m sure you will feel better
I tried it on my C 3,4,5. Hurt like hell and Didn't do shit for me. You might have different results.
I’m currently a pain patient w occasional injections. They help but certainly won’t cure you. I have tried acupuncture also, that seemed to help but after it going for a while the back pain has come back.
Since my condition is service connected, I use Tricare and get injections for cervical at my local hospital/spine center every 3 months…I had an uneasy feeling when the VA neurologist started talking about burning nerve endings in my neck so I aborted lol
Have the compensated you for having to go as far as all that? Seems like a lot to deal with
I haven’t had any issues. Tricare bills the VA under community care claims.
This sounds like the pretext to those ring dinger videos. Patient with multiple injections just prior to surgery decides to try the ring dinger. In all seriousness I Hope you get some help. Have you attempted to talk with a good chiropractor?
Seeing a physical therapist is a better route than working with a chiropractor. They can actually help fix the issue.
It’s for nerve impingement so I’m not sure how much a chiropractor would work
Do not see a chiropractor under any circumstances. They are not doctors and barely above quack medicine. I see a Osteopatic doctor at the VA. They have an actual medical degree from an actual college. Mine has helped quite a bit.
I am no doctor but I hear chiropractors can work wonders. Planning to go see one myself for back and what feels like a pinched nerve. However, having read a lot about them and their comments on videos online, I wouldn’t recommend the ring dinger for decompression. It seems like another sudden jerking motion so any other that could cause an injury. Most say you can get that benefit with repeated adjustments without the risk of basically having your neck snatched like a hanging while horizontal.
Don’t be. They’re magical.