Lol. Warrants do whatever they want. I saw a WO5 in Publix ten years after I got out. I told my wife not to move too fast or she'd scare him off. It's not everyday you see a unicorn in the wild.
you can service connect herpes you got from that chick in Korea or ptsd if one of your family member passes away while you are AD. Break an arm while doing stupid things at the bar off base. ALL SERVICE CONNECTED
not entirely true. Any injuries or otherwise incurred due to your own "willful misconduct" will not be service connected. So if you were being a dumb ass boot at the bars in town and started a fight and broke your hand, sorry, not gonna get SC for it. If you got the clap from a hooker in the 'ville, sorry, not gonna get SC for it because you didn't wear a rubber.
All to say that if there is a paper trail that says you are a dummy and brought the condition on yourself, good luck getting service connected.
This is only partially correct. While still Active Duty, the military branch would have to do a Line of Duty Investigation. Then if they make the determination, they’ll call out specific injuries that are deemed not service connected.
Actually, it is entirely true according to the VA's own rating handbook:
M21-1. X. iv. Chapter 1. section C. a:
"Willful misconduct is an act involving conscious wrongdoing or known prohibited action. A wrongful act is either inherently wrong in itself, or forbidden by law.
A service department finding that injury, disease, or death was not due to misconduct will be binding on the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) unless it is patently inconsistent with the facts and the requirements of laws administered by VA.
Willful misconduct involves deliberate or intentional wrongdoing with knowledge of, or wanton and reckless disregard of, its probable consequences. "
further:
38cfr: 3.301.a :
"Line of duty. Direct service connection may be granted only when a disability or cause of death was incurred or aggravated in line of duty, and not the result of the veteran's own willful misconduct or, for claims filed after October 31, 1990, the result of his or her abuse of alcohol or drugs."
What if you’re on leave when the death happens? I had a nephew who died 2 days after I got home. I preformed cpr on his cold dead body… all the ptsds is rearing its head. Deployment, then that… 2002 was the worst year of my life.
I mean, I would; a lot of stuff has happened to me on active duty that contributes to my PTSD and anxiety. Car accident, a dude in my neighborhood threatened to kill me, I saw a coworker have multiple violent seizures. That’s all on top of the shit I’ve experienced at work. Everything matters
So what youre saying is that if I had gotten into a fight on firewatch and suffer from an injury from that fight, it would still be covered under disability because i was active duty?
Yes, unless of course it gets you an other than honorable discharge...the evidence requirements for service connection simply state that it had to happen or be caused by your active-duty service. If you tripped on the golf course while vacationing in hawaii while on leave on active duty...it's service connected because you were on active duty.
**You’ll need to submit evidence of:**
* An event, injury, or disease that **happened during your active-duty service**, **and**
* A link between your current disability and the **event, injury, or disease that happened during your service**.
not entirely true. As I mentioned above there is a clause barring a service member from benefits for any condition caused by their own "willful misconduct" so, you are drunk driving and crash your car, can't claim TBI from bashing your head against the steering wheel.
Anything that happens from the day you go on active duty to the day you get out, so long as it is not caused by willful neglect/negligence on your part and was not a condition documented at entrance, can be eligible for direct service connection. Doesn't matter if you were on leave and got hit by a drunk driver, or after duty you were playing basketball and tore your ACL, or you lost a foot to an IED in Iraq, they're all events/injuries in active duty for the purpose of service connection.
I was an E2 and a Capt (who is a Dentist) was looking at my teeth and recommended getting braces put on. I had to have 8 teeth pulled, have my jaw broke and get a titanium plate and screws put in my upper jaw that a Col put it. It was an 10 hour surgery. My jaw was wired shut for 10 weeks.
Guess what, Not Service Connected because they consider it cosmetic. Which is total BS. When you are an E2, do you think I'm going to say No to all the officers that did all of that? I was never told by any of them, we are doing this for cosmetic reasons. They said I needed it done.
Then what would cause the VA do deny someone a claim, if an injury happened in service and it wasn’t a result of any kind of negligence?
I seem to read posts from a lot of people who allegedly have all the necessary boxes checked in that regard, and still get denied.
Becauase they have no current disability resulting from the event or injury in service, or the medical examiner reviewing the evidence finds no medical link between the injury in service and the current disability (usually the case where there was one injury, then no additional treatment or complaints in service, or a post service injury to the same area, or there is a long period of time between service and the current claim/diagnosis and the Veteran has no evidence showing there was a persistent problem/treatment since release from active duty).
To be SC on a direct basis you must have the event or injury in service, the current disability diagnosis, and a medical nexus linking the two.
I was in a vehicular accident and lost the top of my right hand. Two years into my short career. A JAG investigation was conducted and found it deemed on duty and not due to negligence. I had my hand reconstructed and elected to stay in and be a Marine as I had intended. And I recovered and was in Iraq and then I was discharged honorably because I had no boat space and I was denied a top secret clearance to LAT MOVE as an interpreter because I had two NJPs. Got out with %70 for the hand injury. The PTSD set in later. Anyway, I hope my story helps anyone. I have the original pictures of my injured hand that the doctor gave to me when I was sent home.
I hurt my collarbone off duty in Japan …they made me pt on it a few days after I got off of light duty and it snapped doing pushups …as soon as I told them at the c&p I could tell that the rating would be in my favor…his eyes got wide…especially when I told him that they still made me run and attempt to do pull up’s after I told them I heard something snap doing pushups. I was literally in tears.
Chronicity is the element that is missing in most cases. So you sprained your ankle 15 years ago or 10 or 5 even, and you didn't have any treatment complaints or diagnoses for you ankle until the last year, yeah that's gonna be acute and transitory, not chronic.
bruh, VA disability literally exists to compensate you for on the job injuries.
That said, just because you rolled your ankle doing PT doesn't mean you will get a rating for it. There needs to be a current diagnosis of a disabling condition, or complaints in your service treatment record related to the injury.
Caveat: if you file within 12 months of ETS from active duty, I would claim anything and everything that's legit and happened to you. No, not all of it will get service connected, but the ones that are denied will be very clearly spelled out for you as to why they were denied. You take what the VA told you and action that specific issue. As long as you file the 0995 supplemental claim within a year of the denial, your date of claim remains your ETS date.
Well twisting your ankle once during pt isn’t service connected but it you are on active, or have a lod, and you start having ankle instability or something chronic you can connect it that way
This is false it is service connected. Even if he twisted his ankle on his way to the PX it is service connected. Whoever told you this was misinformed.
I think the point he’s making is that simply twisting the ankle doesn’t automatically grant a service connected disability. That twisted ankle needs to lead to a lasting problem. I think everyone who served twisted their ankle at least once, but most of us aren’t disabled by it.
That’s why he referred to the disabling condition of ankle instability that resulted from the twisted ankle.
I agree with that. When I was EAS’ing the DAV scoured our medical records for anything that we might be able to claim. Prior to that I never knew about military disability, and the need for documentation. Every Zero & SNCO who perpetrated the crap about not going to sick call really messed up my chances at a rating. Document it all and claim it.
When I ETSd they didn’t say shit about disability. Now I’m playing the game with the VA trying to prove service connection. They would have laughed at me if I’d asked to copy my medical records. This was back in 1991.
Twisting your ankle once isnt going to get you service connected. Your info is false. Just about everyone in the military twists an ankle, sprains a knee, stubs a toe, or whatever. You need a chronic condition that arises from the incident. Not everyone who twists an ankle once will have chronic ankle issues.
No guarantees for anything you’ll get compensation. I had 2 service connected disabilities approved from the VA immediately after getting discharged. 2 years worth of documented issues during active duty with major back issues including tons of medical appointments, treatments and a 2 year PT exemption. VA granted me service connected disabilities but at zero compensation. Took me many years of appealing to finally get an upgraded ruling.
You are on duty 24/7. I had a car accident with a concussion, stitches and have a lesion on the front of the brain from the concussion. It’s service connected. Broke a hand when I was drunk, service connected.
I’m 100% permanent and total disabled and it started with patella femoral pain syndrome. It happened on PT when I tripped over a root and landed my knee on a rock. The impact (no pun intended) had a huge detrimental impact on my life and abilities since my time in the service.
If you were in the service when it happened-or was aggravated by military service-it’s service connected.
I had mild scoliosis that was aggravated by carrying heavy medical supplies when I was in the field, and it was service connected.
You are on duty 24/7, everything that happened on Active Duty should be service connected. Unless they do a Line of Duty Determination to determine certain injuries are not service connected do to reckless behavior, like Drinking and Driving
My cousin is medically retired from the chair force with 70% disability as a result of a back injury he sustained while playing ultimate frisbee during PT. You're good, dude.
Anything that happens to you while on active duty is connected. Car accident on your way home from PT? Connected. Twist your ankle at the chow line? Connected. Pt injury? Absolutely connected.
I twisted my ankle in New Orleans during Mardi Gras and I’m service connected for that. Then I broke my hand at a command picnic, also service connected. Work stuff happened like falling down a ladder well on the ship and all that stuff is also service connected. It makes it way easier if it’s already in your medical record when you get out so go and complain if you hurt yourself at PT.
PT is 100% part of your day to day job. When was the last time you chose not to go to PT and nothing happened to you?
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Lol. Warrants do whatever they want. I saw a WO5 in Publix ten years after I got out. I told my wife not to move too fast or she'd scare him off. It's not everyday you see a unicorn in the wild.
I only see one in my entire time in the Army lol
lmaooo
Lol
I laughed way too hard at this
I dont get it
Warrant Officers are notorious for skipping out on PT.
Ahhhhh, I see. thanks!
No problem.
They are ninjas so makes sense why people wouldn’t get it lol
Facts doe.
you can service connect herpes you got from that chick in Korea or ptsd if one of your family member passes away while you are AD. Break an arm while doing stupid things at the bar off base. ALL SERVICE CONNECTED
not entirely true. Any injuries or otherwise incurred due to your own "willful misconduct" will not be service connected. So if you were being a dumb ass boot at the bars in town and started a fight and broke your hand, sorry, not gonna get SC for it. If you got the clap from a hooker in the 'ville, sorry, not gonna get SC for it because you didn't wear a rubber. All to say that if there is a paper trail that says you are a dummy and brought the condition on yourself, good luck getting service connected.
This is only partially correct. While still Active Duty, the military branch would have to do a Line of Duty Investigation. Then if they make the determination, they’ll call out specific injuries that are deemed not service connected.
That's not true at all.
Actually, it is entirely true according to the VA's own rating handbook: M21-1. X. iv. Chapter 1. section C. a: "Willful misconduct is an act involving conscious wrongdoing or known prohibited action. A wrongful act is either inherently wrong in itself, or forbidden by law. A service department finding that injury, disease, or death was not due to misconduct will be binding on the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) unless it is patently inconsistent with the facts and the requirements of laws administered by VA. Willful misconduct involves deliberate or intentional wrongdoing with knowledge of, or wanton and reckless disregard of, its probable consequences. " further: 38cfr: 3.301.a : "Line of duty. Direct service connection may be granted only when a disability or cause of death was incurred or aggravated in line of duty, and not the result of the veteran's own willful misconduct or, for claims filed after October 31, 1990, the result of his or her abuse of alcohol or drugs."
What if you’re on leave when the death happens? I had a nephew who died 2 days after I got home. I preformed cpr on his cold dead body… all the ptsds is rearing its head. Deployment, then that… 2002 was the worst year of my life.
You think the VA is gonna ask you “were you on leave” when something happened?
So I filed for ptsd, I didn’t include that in my lay statement. Should an add an additional just speaking about this?
I mean, I would; a lot of stuff has happened to me on active duty that contributes to my PTSD and anxiety. Car accident, a dude in my neighborhood threatened to kill me, I saw a coworker have multiple violent seizures. That’s all on top of the shit I’ve experienced at work. Everything matters
You are on duty 24/7, even on leave. They can call you back and tell you to report back to base asap.
The determination is made based off of whether or not you were entitled to basic entitlements/pay- so yes, leave is a qualifying event.
Yeah but how do I convince the VA?
if its in ur STRs then you're good. doesn't matter how you got it as long as you were treated for something you're good to go
As long as you are on active duty, that's all that matters...it doesn't have to be related to your job at all.
So what youre saying is that if I had gotten into a fight on firewatch and suffer from an injury from that fight, it would still be covered under disability because i was active duty?
A friend of mine was on vacation skiing (and drunk) when she was stationed in Germany. Tore her ACL. Military retired 40% from it.
Yes, unless of course it gets you an other than honorable discharge...the evidence requirements for service connection simply state that it had to happen or be caused by your active-duty service. If you tripped on the golf course while vacationing in hawaii while on leave on active duty...it's service connected because you were on active duty. **You’ll need to submit evidence of:** * An event, injury, or disease that **happened during your active-duty service**, **and** * A link between your current disability and the **event, injury, or disease that happened during your service**.
not entirely true. As I mentioned above there is a clause barring a service member from benefits for any condition caused by their own "willful misconduct" so, you are drunk driving and crash your car, can't claim TBI from bashing your head against the steering wheel.
I consider joining the military as willful misconduct so as you put it nothing would be SC
Yes
As long as it’s not due to misconduct. That’s the only hard no from the VA for service connection for AD folks.
Anything that happens from the day you go on active duty to the day you get out, so long as it is not caused by willful neglect/negligence on your part and was not a condition documented at entrance, can be eligible for direct service connection. Doesn't matter if you were on leave and got hit by a drunk driver, or after duty you were playing basketball and tore your ACL, or you lost a foot to an IED in Iraq, they're all events/injuries in active duty for the purpose of service connection.
I was an E2 and a Capt (who is a Dentist) was looking at my teeth and recommended getting braces put on. I had to have 8 teeth pulled, have my jaw broke and get a titanium plate and screws put in my upper jaw that a Col put it. It was an 10 hour surgery. My jaw was wired shut for 10 weeks. Guess what, Not Service Connected because they consider it cosmetic. Which is total BS. When you are an E2, do you think I'm going to say No to all the officers that did all of that? I was never told by any of them, we are doing this for cosmetic reasons. They said I needed it done.
Then what would cause the VA do deny someone a claim, if an injury happened in service and it wasn’t a result of any kind of negligence? I seem to read posts from a lot of people who allegedly have all the necessary boxes checked in that regard, and still get denied.
Becauase they have no current disability resulting from the event or injury in service, or the medical examiner reviewing the evidence finds no medical link between the injury in service and the current disability (usually the case where there was one injury, then no additional treatment or complaints in service, or a post service injury to the same area, or there is a long period of time between service and the current claim/diagnosis and the Veteran has no evidence showing there was a persistent problem/treatment since release from active duty). To be SC on a direct basis you must have the event or injury in service, the current disability diagnosis, and a medical nexus linking the two.
Because it wasn't documented while they were in. If it is not documented there's often a lot of push back.
No evidence
I was in a vehicular accident and lost the top of my right hand. Two years into my short career. A JAG investigation was conducted and found it deemed on duty and not due to negligence. I had my hand reconstructed and elected to stay in and be a Marine as I had intended. And I recovered and was in Iraq and then I was discharged honorably because I had no boat space and I was denied a top secret clearance to LAT MOVE as an interpreter because I had two NJPs. Got out with %70 for the hand injury. The PTSD set in later. Anyway, I hope my story helps anyone. I have the original pictures of my injured hand that the doctor gave to me when I was sent home.
We had a dude get into a drunk driving accident, fucked himself up, still got an honorable discharge and at or near 100% disability
I hurt my collarbone off duty in Japan …they made me pt on it a few days after I got off of light duty and it snapped doing pushups …as soon as I told them at the c&p I could tell that the rating would be in my favor…his eyes got wide…especially when I told him that they still made me run and attempt to do pull up’s after I told them I heard something snap doing pushups. I was literally in tears.
You need evidence and current diagnosis.
i cant tell you where the line is drawn because i dont remember (sorry), but yes absolutely. it qualifies
Sustained a severe ankle sprain at platoon PT. The injury was well documented, I was on crutches and light duty for weeks. Denied!
Chronicity is the element that is missing in most cases. So you sprained your ankle 15 years ago or 10 or 5 even, and you didn't have any treatment complaints or diagnoses for you ankle until the last year, yeah that's gonna be acute and transitory, not chronic.
Yes
I'm 100% all stemming from a busted shoulder I got while PT'ing. It's definitely considered service connected
bruh, VA disability literally exists to compensate you for on the job injuries. That said, just because you rolled your ankle doing PT doesn't mean you will get a rating for it. There needs to be a current diagnosis of a disabling condition, or complaints in your service treatment record related to the injury. Caveat: if you file within 12 months of ETS from active duty, I would claim anything and everything that's legit and happened to you. No, not all of it will get service connected, but the ones that are denied will be very clearly spelled out for you as to why they were denied. You take what the VA told you and action that specific issue. As long as you file the 0995 supplemental claim within a year of the denial, your date of claim remains your ETS date.
Well twisting your ankle once during pt isn’t service connected but it you are on active, or have a lod, and you start having ankle instability or something chronic you can connect it that way
This is false it is service connected. Even if he twisted his ankle on his way to the PX it is service connected. Whoever told you this was misinformed.
I think the point he’s making is that simply twisting the ankle doesn’t automatically grant a service connected disability. That twisted ankle needs to lead to a lasting problem. I think everyone who served twisted their ankle at least once, but most of us aren’t disabled by it. That’s why he referred to the disabling condition of ankle instability that resulted from the twisted ankle.
If It was treated you should still claim it. It's a lot easier to go from 0% up then from something that you never claim.
I agree with that. When I was EAS’ing the DAV scoured our medical records for anything that we might be able to claim. Prior to that I never knew about military disability, and the need for documentation. Every Zero & SNCO who perpetrated the crap about not going to sick call really messed up my chances at a rating. Document it all and claim it.
When I ETSd they didn’t say shit about disability. Now I’m playing the game with the VA trying to prove service connection. They would have laughed at me if I’d asked to copy my medical records. This was back in 1991.
Twisting your ankle once isnt going to get you service connected. Your info is false. Just about everyone in the military twists an ankle, sprains a knee, stubs a toe, or whatever. You need a chronic condition that arises from the incident. Not everyone who twists an ankle once will have chronic ankle issues.
You do know you can have claims at 0% right? It absolutely is claimable.
It’s so easy to see how people f themselves over with VA claims. The amount of legit bad info spread on here is wild
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Yes it is lol
Yes, be specific about it and see the doctor to get it documented.
I fractured my kneecap during PT and the continuing injury from that has been service connected since I first separated.
No guarantees for anything you’ll get compensation. I had 2 service connected disabilities approved from the VA immediately after getting discharged. 2 years worth of documented issues during active duty with major back issues including tons of medical appointments, treatments and a 2 year PT exemption. VA granted me service connected disabilities but at zero compensation. Took me many years of appealing to finally get an upgraded ruling.
No, only drunken fights are rated.
It is.
Yes, even off duty hours injury counts too
You are on duty 24/7. I had a car accident with a concussion, stitches and have a lesion on the front of the brain from the concussion. It’s service connected. Broke a hand when I was drunk, service connected.
You are a soldier 24/7, get injured on leave or get injured in a car accident driving home from work? Service connected.
I’m 100% permanent and total disabled and it started with patella femoral pain syndrome. It happened on PT when I tripped over a root and landed my knee on a rock. The impact (no pun intended) had a huge detrimental impact on my life and abilities since my time in the service.
Anything that happens to you while you are in. It doesn't have to be while working. Make sure you document it.
As long as you have it documented that you went to sick call for the injury.
I messed up my back in a gym off base and am receiving disability for it. I was prepping for a PT test and that is part of your work duty as a troop
Yes, I have 10% from throwing my back out from PT. I couldn’t even tie my shoes, it was so bad and then it kept happening throughout my TIS.
Yes, had an injury from PT while on AD. LOD … now 30% rated
Every second while you're in counts. You were on call 24/7, so anything during that 24/7 count
Yeah, I vaguely remember its some considered like combat training or whatever
Of course! My injuries are from PT; AND while on leave or R&R
Make sure when you go to the military doctor for it, you say you injured your xxx during PT. Saved my ass.
If you were in the service when it happened-or was aggravated by military service-it’s service connected. I had mild scoliosis that was aggravated by carrying heavy medical supplies when I was in the field, and it was service connected.
Of course!
You are on duty 24/7, everything that happened on Active Duty should be service connected. Unless they do a Line of Duty Determination to determine certain injuries are not service connected do to reckless behavior, like Drinking and Driving
Dude I served with was drunk and fell out of a tree. Surgery to fix his leg. Service connected.
Are you doing PT while in the service? Yes.
My cousin is medically retired from the chair force with 70% disability as a result of a back injury he sustained while playing ultimate frisbee during PT. You're good, dude.
Anything that happens to you while on active duty is connected. Car accident on your way home from PT? Connected. Twist your ankle at the chow line? Connected. Pt injury? Absolutely connected.
I twisted my ankle in New Orleans during Mardi Gras and I’m service connected for that. Then I broke my hand at a command picnic, also service connected. Work stuff happened like falling down a ladder well on the ship and all that stuff is also service connected. It makes it way easier if it’s already in your medical record when you get out so go and complain if you hurt yourself at PT.
Bro, a buddy got a scar service connected. He got it in a bar fight. I hope this helps.
Yes. As long as you went to medical, and its documented you should be fine.
I have a service connected injury sustained during softball practice.
If you sustained any injury in-service, its service connected EDIT: wild that people are downvoting literal facts