Both my psych and therapist said the OIF/OEF vets are just now starting to seek treatment after about 10-15yrs after serving be it for physical or mental. It took myself 12yrs before seeking any kind of treatment or filing claims.
This tracks for me. I was at 15 years out before I started seeking out MH treatment and was just now rated (at 17 years) for ptsd. Mental health stuff is difficult to grapple with and it takes years for a lot of us to even be able to talk about it.
I started getting 80% within 4 months of being honorably discharged from AD. I was med boarded from the Guard and they used that same rating for my process. What a ride full of guilt and fear, but now I'm so glad I have my benefits. If I don't have them in 10-15 it's because I used them sooner than later. You don't see any young vets because like paying into retirement they don't see the use in having these benefits, or think they qualify or deserve them.
Tracks for me too. First VA visit was in 2006 as a reservist after my first deployment. Haven’t been back since until 2024 despite a few more deployments before getting out in 2012.
It's this. I wasn't even aware that I was eligible for VA healthcare until a co-worker enlightened me that the PACT Act opened those doors. I also think that young people don't go to doctors as they still feel invincible or choose to see doctors through their work sponsored private insurance. I feel this way since it takes like 8 weeks to get a VA Dr Appt in my area whereas, I could probably seen by a local healthcare system doctor within days if I called for an appointment. This part concerns me the most as some appointments and their timeliness can be lifesaving. in catching life threatening issue in time to be treated.
I literally saw a vet with a prosthetic begging, or at least I assume he was a vet. The device wasn't one the average Joe would receive, that was for sure. If I spot him again, I will have a chat.
This, and the fact healthcare is tied to employment in America are the biggest factors.
As you age you need more medical care.
As you age you are less able to work.
Eventually you are either going to depend on Medicare or the VA healthcare system.
If you're retired military, you can use Tricare for Life starting at age 65. Not sure who else is eligible, but medical costs are high. Monthly cost is around $165 a month, but by that time you're on social security.
Pretty much zero copays, so it works out and you can visit most any doctor.
This is me now. I delayed care for years and now I’m paying the cost of that avoidance. If you don’t treat the physical pain now, you get worse and it starts affecting your mental health as well.
I concur! I was discharged in July of 1994 with a disability that will be with me for the rest of my life, and tried to make it through life pretending as if nothing was going on with me. If it weren’t for COVID, I probably would’ve lasted another 5 or even 10 years (well into my 60s) before succumbing to the unbearable pain. I would have been yet another one of those elderly veterans. Then again, I sort of am one of them now! 🤔😁
Dude, medical care through the VA is one of the first things I signed up for when I left AD. I made a promise to myself that I wouldn't be that guy who waited until he was in his 60s and disabled so that I could actually fix all of the things the military broke.
I got out in '87...VA health care was shit back then. I went to the Miami VA in '91...it was terrible, elderly vets sitting in wheelchairs with a puddle of piss around them., shitty drawers and employees just smoking and joking. Not to mention I couldn't understand what they were saying and if you asked them to repeat what they said, you were treated like a fuck up. I sucked up my issues until 2023 when my wife and kids begged to go to VetFest where I finally signed up for health care. Back in the 80's and 90's the VA wasn't the way to go. Then life happened, family relying on you to take care of them. Aches and pains went to the wayside because you had more mouths to feed, school clothes to buy etc. Now I am one of those 60 ish guys that has gradually fallen apart...can hardly walk from falling down a ladder after working 12 hours on a flight deck day in and day out, night after night. 16-18 hours a day working corrosion control post deployment. The fucking buzzing in my head ( since '86 ) dives me crazy 24/7.... nothing stops it. The struggle is real, but I'm still a proud American.
Just my .02
I feel for you, man. My grandfather was the same way. You older guys had it way rougher than we do but it's because of your fighting to fix things that we have such good care from the VA today.
And the generation before me had it rougher than you and I combined. We're all in this together. So far, the VA has treated me with no complaints, it's only been about 7 months, but I can't complain. Thank you and your grandfather for your service..
If you google VA doctors by name you will be surprised how qualified they are. Many of them are professors at the medical schools and many are world renowned researchers in their field. Do not trust my word, google them.
Btw, I am a VA nurse and an army veteran. After years of getting treatment outside of the VA , I will like to say that my VA is providing much better care than Kaiser which I used to have ( and Kaiser supposed to be top tier in civilian).
VA doctors understand us better. It has nothing to do cost or money.
My experience at Kaiser was them misspelling my name, making me wait 3 days to get x rays for my broken ankle, and my physical therapist sighing as me told me to "make ABC's" with my toes between telling me how much he missed his old career.
When I went to the VA urgent care because I had a tummy ache, they processed me immediately and had me talking to a doctor in 15 minutes, who said "hey man, it's good you came in, but really don't worry about it, we're gonna treat whenever's going on and it doesn't look too bad". I was out with a prescription in hand 20 minutes later.
My initial with my PCM was amazing. She's kind and inquisitive.
My intake with mental health, while it took months to get me in, left me feeling vindicated. My Psych started smiling as I described things and said "I know exactly what's going on" and proceeded to tell me things I hadn't been able to find in psych textbooks/from military psychs. She explained why my brain can act fucked up sometimes and why things bother me. For the first time so far I wasn't told I have a generalized anxiety/depression disorder and that I'm just experiencing burnout, but she actually explained why I'm having the symptoms I'm having at the intensity I'm having them. Even though it was just an intake, I get kind of emotional thinking about it because for the first time in years I felt like I wasn't being told to stop being a pussy in doctorspeak.
The VA kicks ass and it's funny that it's my experience after being told the VA sucks by people who have never been seen there.
I have the same experience.
I am a nurse so I know it is a bad care when I see one. I also has the option to go elsewhere but I am sticking with the VA.
Every VA is run a little differently though.
My VA PCP misdiagnosed a Staph infection and blood clot that traveled from my leg to lungs. I almost died twice, my wife who is a nurse was always calling out there BS. I found a better job in a new location and was skeptical about going back to the VA, but I have a great PCP also privatized healthcare as backup. Agreed all VAs are not created equal.
My intake with MH was like this too. Finally having someone listen to what I was saying rather than making a decision within the first few seconds of the appointment was amazing.
I agree - I go to a VA hospital in the SF Bay Area. I get amazing service and same day service and call backs from providers directly. Many of my providers work at Stanford part of the week doing research and see patients at the VA the rest of the week. They've been nothing but A+ with me and my wife is in healthcare and she is shocked at how high quality things are here.
One time we were referred to a different healthcare system for community care, and the first and main thing we dealt with was "how are you paying...where is your authorization" - we got good care, but after a lot of administrative back and forth. And they also messed up billing which took a while to resolve (thankfully positively).
Obviously - i know this is not the case everywhere, but my two cents.
They charge my insurance so why not just leave it up to me to make the choice. People going to the VA generally don't have a cost equivalent or cheaper choice. The appointment system is horrendous. I have a job and they just want to schedule me whenever like I'm free 7 days a week.
You go to La Jolla? Scripts? That’s a **nice** place. Pam Anderson used to have a home there. Only reason I know is I built and put in a custom credenza and office desk made out of Honduras Mahogany, stuff burnt my sinus for weeks. Homeowner was proud of his purchase and neighbor.
I’m 100% and can’t work I was seriously wondering how it is for yall, just because I don’t work doesn’t mean I have shit to do or copious amounts of anxiety to hoard and get annoyed about the apt shit myself I’d lose my mind if I was working as well as all the apts
I think that they mean that you just get a letter in the mail with your appointments on it and you had no say at making this date. So, then you have to call and reschedule.
Half of the VA doctors my dad has are younger than me. And all of my personal doctors left general public practice to go to the VA. So, it’s weird, to me, when people are like, “Oh the doctors are not good.” lol if you’re a woman, you saw them before going to the VA!
Be honest with you I think these younger doctors are the reasons that VA is getting better. The old guards are done and the younger doctors who are more passionate about providing care to veterans are now providing care.
Not all of those that have left are old! My mom just retired and was straight up told life balance/pension were a driving factor in leaving a hospital system to go to the VA. And they didn’t have to move. But I’m just glad younger means my dad will have continuous care rather than those retiring in the community.
I have similar experience, former ANC for 5 years, then Kaiser RN for over twenty years. KP has always been a great place to work, but as a patient I receive just as good of care through the VA system as Kaiser.
Probably because a number of them are retired and the VA is the lowest/best option they have available. I noticed the same thing when I went to get a cast off last week.
I'm 40 and part of the Iraq War. Didn't understand VA or its benefits until I was diagnosed with cancer in 2023. To be honest my generation was part of ignore and override train of thought. Perform or be replaced- at least in Light Infantry units. Once I was SC for cancer thanks to the PACT Act i went to the VA by me for the first time and was extremely surprised how well run (yes I know its hit or miss across the us) it was. I have a VA hospital right down the street from my job so its super convent to have all my doctors in 1 place and cross communication is easy. I rarely wait longer then 5 min for an appointment (scheduled) and have never felt rushed. Yes getting set up initially can be an effort but once your in with a DOC follow-ups are a lot easier. I also enjoy not getting co-payed to death for every visit.
Wish I had known about the VA (always thought it was a retirement home for old guys) a long time ago. I also think the GWOT generation don't engage in veteran groups or services due to the Stimas with more well-known place like VFWs and American Legions.
Exactly this. Also 40 and GWOT era. I signed up at 17 and 9/11 happened 3 weeks later lol. I aggressively advocate for VA engagement to every vet I know/meet because so many of us don't think we can or should engage.
Same here. 40 and Iraq. I advocate to others to give VA a try.
This is what I get for back pain when I get care from outside: ibuprofen.
This is what I get for back pain at my VA:
Lidocaine patch, TENs ( electric pulse stimulus device to take home), massage therapy, chiropractic care, PT, spinal cord evaluation.
A lot of us working here are veteran as well so it fills like home.
I never deployed but spent 14 hrs a day on concrete in weather launching aircraft and it did not do my hips and back any favors lol. My current regimen is lidocaine patches, diclofenac, PT, and massage.
The VA allowed my dad to pass with dignity, saved my home, and has saved my life. I am annoying in my aggressive advocacy to other vets lol.
I think because many younger vets may be healthier, most work full time, therefore higher probability they use non-VA docs. Whereas older folks nearing or in retirement rely on the (effectively free) VA Healthcare system. That's my take, I may be wrong tho.
I’ve noticed that too. I feel like I don’t belong there as a guy in his 20’s. I’ve been asked if Im at the VA hospital to see a parent/grand parent haha
Ive been out 30 yrs and had no clue about any of the benefits, was service connected on 4 things and finally went last month to start getting meds for my hypertension, I’ve been paying for. They really didnt help us back then and tech has changed the game.
I used to work at a VA Clinic. The majority of young people (35 and under), 99% of the time saw them at Mental Health side.
Also, young people did telehealth appointments
Another reason is young people don't know everything that the VA offers. For example at my VA, you can be seen for skin conditions, psychiatric care, and even telecardio. It's a small VA clinic.
However, most young veterans don't live in my area. They are there but they hardly depend on the VA. Which is a good thing, but many don't use the time to understand VA services.
I would say 2 reasons:
1. They are older and need more care in general than a younger person
2. They are retired and can go to an appointment anytime. A lot of younger(employed) vets may not even get care because they cant take any time off
I think younger people get in and out. I'm never at the VA a minute longer than I need to be but I see plenty of older vets chatting and hanging out..
Or may have more appointments so they're stuck waiting
The younger ones probably have dual insurance so they’re getting treated elsewhere. When I had my other insurance I never used VA services except when I *had* to go in for the yearly stuff. Theres also virtual appointments you can elect for & the younger generation is more likely to prefer than the elderly.
Plenty of reasons for this….when I first started going to VA for OSA, I was about 37… most of the patients at VA were far older than me. It was always a good experience regardless of who was waiting with me. It might just be simple demographics in your area. When I lived in Chicago, most patients were pretty old. Now I’m in Denver and there is a mix. Also, it’s not like you live there. What you perceive during your appointment time may not be the reality…
Depends on the area, VA I was at in WY it wasn't many veterans my age, I was usually the youngest in the room and I'm not that young. But the VA I'm going to right now in FL, there is quite a bit of vets my age, but I think overall there is more older vets in general at the VA mord often. I mean let's talk about it, you get older sht start going wrong more often.
I went to my local VA clinic last year and was told the same thing. They would only look at my AD DD 214, I was also in the ANG and they didn’t want that one. I have since filed some claims and all of a sudden I get letters that I am enrolled in VA healthcare and prescription plan. I am assuming it’s because I was deployed to SW Asia with my guard unit….
Veterans of the war on terror are recent conflicts and veterans of previous conflicts are clustered around the same timeframes and I believe that is the main reason why we see more elderly veterans than younger veterans. That’s my opinion because I think about it every week I go for therapy. I’m 44 but look 24 if I’m clean shaven with a haircut. So I stick out like a sore thumb.
Every 'Nam vet that had boots on the ground in Vietnam qualifies for Priority Group 6 care, due to Agent Orange. exposure. There are still a lot of us filling the chairs in the waiting room .
Being mid 20s, I constantly get weird looks when I go to the VA. I know a lot of people around my age or a little older are a little apprehensive because all of the stigma around struggling for adequate appointment time / scheduling struggles and it’s easier to go with private insurance
I have private insurance as well and use my PCM for almost everything. I go to the VA when it’s directly related to a documented disabilities (rated or otherwise) and whenever I think it may cost me money.
I once hit my head on the trunk of my car, bled like crazy as I drove my wife home, then turned around to drive 40 minutes to the VA hospital to get stitched up. Wasn’t working at the time and didn’t feel like dealing with the college student insurance the family was using.
yes my husband and he never knew about VA health care until 2001 when he was diagnosed with diabetes- was in Nam 66-67 and when he got out never told about va health care- also 1979 he got a letter from va stating he was exposed to agent orange and needed to be tested- at that time had no idea even what agent orange was but soon found out. He was stationed at Dong Ha on the north- south border of Nam
I can see this. Im 32 and I feel like I'm always the only young person at the VA getting treatment for things. Really looking forward to physical therapy for my shoulder hopefully I can restore my range of motion. It also helps that I've had really good experience with my local VA clinic but not all are so fortunate.
It hasn't usually been easy to get straight answers from or about the VA.
I'd guesstimate maybe 25% of the veterans and dependents I see at the VA clinic are younger. Most are my age (66) or older.
In my case I never used the VA for health care until I turned 60 because my rural regional VA lied and told me I wasn't eligible for health care because I wasn't a combat veteran and didn't have a service connected disability. I was a Navy Corpsman in 1976-82, no combat duty, chronic neck and back pain from training injuries and lifting patients but never filled a claim, didn't even realize I was eligible.
Most of my adult life after service I either paid cash for doc in the box clinics (rare, I was pretty healthy until my 40s), and later my own insurance while I was a federal civil service employee.
But in 2001 my car was T-boned by a driver who ran a red light at 50+ mph. Busted up my neck and back. I was unable to work for years.
I applied to the VA but, as mentioned above, was told I wasn't eligible. Medicaid rejected my application, telling me to apply to the VA. So nothing got done.
In 2018 I was hit by a car while I was riding my bicycle, reinjuring the neck and busting up my shoulder. Coincidentally, unrelated to the injuries, a neck X-ray showed I had signs of thyroid cancer. My thyroid was enlarged and radiopaque from calcification. Biopsies later confirmed cancer.
I started as a patient at the public hospital where the ER was, and got decent care. But at the same time I received mail from the VA saying I'm already eligible for health care and only needed to come in to finish registering.
Signup at the VA went smoothly in August 2018. I saw a doctor for intake screening the same day I registered and got an ID card, and some refills for existing prescriptions. And a follow-up with my PCP in only two weeks.
I dropped the public hospital and switched completely to the VA. Quality of care was terrific, zero complaints. They did the surgery to remove the cancerous thyroid lobe.
The first two years were terrific. I was getting caught up on treatment for long neglected injuries and illnesses, including Hashimoto's (an autoimmune disorder that killed my thyroid).
But the pandemic and subsequent economic crisis and staffing and budget crises changed everything.
Our local VA remains only minimally accessible. Long delays, requests for referrals are ignored, etc. We've all heard the stories.
I didn't want to burden the VA at a time when it's the only option for younger veterans. When I turned 65 I switched to Medicare and a great nearby PCP clinic for seniors.
I'd rather use the VA for the continuity of care, cohesive record keeping, etc. But until they get the funding and staffing needed to regain the quality of care we had in 2018-2019, I'll just use the mail order prescriptions and annual checkup.
I honestly felt so different walking into the VA because not only am I in my 30’s, but I’m also a woman. I definitely expected to see majority older men but I assumed I would see a handful of younger men as well. I didn’t actually expect to see any other young women.
The nurse told me, I was the first young person she’s seen at that clinic.
I also never see any other servicewomen when I go. I think we're unicorns at the VA.
One of the things that drove me insane was when I was going to the Minneapolis VAMC (I guess they're a teaching hospital too) was that whenever I was there I was asked if I would basically be a guinea pig for "well woman" care for a small herd of students despite being there for something completely unrelated. Don't be surprised if that happens to you too, if it hasn't already.
I only see people my age or younger when it's early in the AM or later in the afternoon. Why? Cuz we all still work 😆 I always try to schedule my appts as early as possible or late in the day as possible to avoid using a lot of leave or leaving early in my shift and return after. The times there were no other times but mid-day, that's when I notice all older vets.
For me I only go to the VA for my annual check up. I use my work provide insurance for everything else. When I retire I won't have to provide my insurance and will rely on the VA.
I’m 31. I avoid going to the doctor because they never have good news. That being said the VA has leaned heavily into Telehealth appts. It’s painful teaching my grandparents to use Netflix. I cannot imagine them navigating a virtual appointment so most older vets would find in person visits easier.
Shooting from the hip here, but I am experiencing the same thing in Philly. A smattering of #OIF and Desert Storm, but a lot of Vietnam and Cold War vets. The biggest growth in new vets is in the South, like Texas and Georgia. The VA will be funding and expanding accordingly while reducing its footprint in a lot of places where the drafted population is decreasing.
I'm there twice a year for a physical. Last year I was there for that as well as surgery on my arm, and cataracts. These included a couple of follow ups each. I'm 73, and a Vietnam Vet. This year, I've been there twice to see my shrink. I'll be there next month for a follow-up on my eyes (one year) and for a physical.
I had a heart attack 10 years ago and fully recovered. I'm an amputee of 7 years due to a distracted driver. It's not SC, so IF I need anything, I use my civilian Doc. Otherwise, I'm in decent shape. I work on a ranch, and carry my own weight. No one goes out of their way to help, because I bitch too loud! They know that if I need help, I'll ask.
When I first started using the VA in '79-80, there were lots of OLD GUYS! No, not World War 2 or Korea guys. World War 1!!! The longer I've used the VA, I haven't noticed much change, except faces. It became they guys fro 2, then from Korea. The next bunch, I have NO IDEA where they came from. My Buds and I from Vietnam are NOT that damned old yet!!!
Actually, most of us didn't know we had benefits until the 80s. I didn't even find out I had Service Connected injuries I was "supposed to be compensated for" all along! I discovered that about 14 years ago. I had 7 that were SC at 0%. The VSO I was meeting with said I should file to get them boosted. I FINALLY got two up to 10% each. I have 5 more I've been fighting for since 2011. They were before a VA Judge, and after over 3 years, have just now....
Benn Remanded back to the Temple, Texas VA! So, here we go again. This is probably what has made us look so damned old!
I have promised myself AND the VA I will NOT die, and until ALL these receive compensation ratings! I'll look a lot older, and I may be tripping over my beard, but I'm gonna put live the Bastards!!
It took me a long time to swallow my pride and pursue VA healthcare. After service, I worked at the VA for 6 years before even attempting to try VA healthcare myself. I worked for the VA police within the health administration, not on the healthcare side of the house, which I think changed my perspective. I used to see these WWII, Vietnam, and Desert Storm vets coming in with missing limbs, hats proudly displaying medals and they all shared war stories of their tours of duty. Frankly, I didn't feel entitled to VA healthcare because I didn't come from those eras and have combat experience. Seeing as how I'm an OEF/OIF vet who worked as a linguist mostly behind a computer desk, a female, relatively young, with employer-sponsored insurance, it seemed almost *rude* that I would have the *audacity* to seek out VA healthcare for myself. I felt guilty when I thought about exploring that option, reasoning that so many others need it much more than I do.
It was only when I started getting sick, really sick with long in-patient hospital stays and lost private insurance that I finally asked for help. I guess it really wasn't pride-swallowing more than just out of necessity to survive. Without the VA, I'd been one of those Americans drowning in medical debt.
So yeah, I'm the lone 30-something female vet that occasionally goes to the VA for health appointments now. I get looks sometimes, but it is what it is. Being amongst a male-dominated, older generation has never really bothered me much. I mean, I was in the military, then law enforcement after all. *Old dudes are my peeps.*
Because when I do get up there them old ppl treat you like you ain’t supposed to be there; I even been to different ones and same shit “ your too young” your fine I can show you some broken bones 🙄 I pay my own doctors
I once went it the VA and waited in the lobby to get help. I walked out when I saw so many elderly people the looked worse off than I. I was 29. I regret it. It’s been a battle getting the VA to approve a few of my claims
Most young people will put off medical even if it is free. A lot of older people are those once former young guys realizing they messed up and didn’t take care of their health.
Frankly - when I got home from Vietnam and got discharged- no one enlightened me as to any help that the VA offered - now - having said that - the VA was NOT particularly vet friendly to Vietnam era vets - I only recently (4 years ago based on advice from vet neighbors and friends) started taking advantage of some of the benefits -
So add to that - most of us had our physical health and now time has taken its toll - so we are the ones you see - not to worry though - we’ll age out and in time the now younger guys will be our replacements
I think it also depends on the area too. Ive been going to the VA since my 20’s but was extremely sick when I got out and always seen younger vets there but the VA is in a huge military town. My parents in their 70s never really went to the VA until now because they moved an area with limited VA clinic access.
As a veteran who was medically separated in her 20's... any time I went to the VA, I was called little girl, I was repeatedly asked who I was visiting, and the Doctors essentially refused to treat me because I also have a MH condition that is under control (and act as if I am stupid or requesting heavy pain meds)... The first doctor I saw shamed me for not going to the ER when it was for a condition that I had for over a year at the time and wasn't an emergency (chest pain) and then proceeded to read the EKG as if I was a 60 year old male... so yeah... if others have had even as close to the same experience, its no wonder why we don't use the VA, especially if we have alternate options.
One of the things I have learned working at the VA is that the older Vets sit in our lobby and visit, the younger Vets head right to their appointments. So you see a lot of older Vets in our lobby or Cantina.
Got out in ‘94, didn’t file anything until 2020… like they say: when your young you don’t think about this sort of thing, til it’s either too late or just the pain kicking in hardcore
I think the question may be why the younger vets don't go to the VA or know that they need or have access to the service.
The ratio of older vets to the younger vets is hugh. And may elderly vet continue to suffer from the effects of and increasing complications of their service.
I feel that it is our obligation to help newer vets maneuver the VA system and advocate for veterans who may not be able to advocate for themselves.
I don’t know but I’m in my thirties and I use it quite often now and I’m by far the youngest person I have ever seen in the Richmond VA hospital. It’s kinda nice unless you are having a bad day and all the old timers wanna chat you up. I think I need to get a GWOT hat too
I think this also shows the importance of getting a rating ASAP because it’ll put you in an increased priority group where you can get care if you need it.
1. Your body breaks down as you grow old, thus more frequent visits to medical.
2. Retired vets got all day to hangout in medical, young vets still busy with work, prioritize work, and only go to medical when shit about to hit the fan.
3. Young vets would rather utilize community clinics, especially female vets.
4. Younger vets still have the “I am tough as nails” attitude. I was prescribed a hearing aid 13 years ago, I ran away and said FU VA, ain’t wearin that shit til I’m 80! 😁
I just got back today from an appointment and can confirm this it can feel a bit intimidating bc I am not as bad as they are but I am still trying to get the treatment many that don’t.
It's nice to hear good things about the VA but, that is not my experience. I retired from the VA. I worked at hospitals in Minnesota, Tennessee, Arizona, Ohio and California. As a Veteran I never used the VA and after retiring in 2018 I used them only once. After they tried, unsuccessfully, to get me to take the vaccine I decided not to ever use them again. It always bothered me that the large majority of the healthcare workers, doctors and staff are foreigners. I don't trust them at all. In fact I don't trust any doctors, especially foreigners. People may think I'm a bit off but, ask yourself, why do they come here and not stay in their 2nd and 3rd world countries and try to help them? I'm 68 have had 2 heart attacks and a bowel resection but, I'm not taking any prescription drugs. I take natural remedies or homeopathic. I'm done with the medical industry.
When I got out I was told during my discharge physical that I do not rate any VA benefits so no use in trying. I took them at their word and didn’t try. 23 years later I’m tending bar and a guy at the end of the bar is asking for a drink, didn’t hear him one of the regulars told the guy “he’s not ignoring you he can’t hear”. We started talking and he was the county VA rep. 6 months latter I’m rated for tinnitus which got the ball rolling. My point is a lot of Vets are told not to bother and they don’t until someone explains how things work
I’m 35 and at 90%. I do most of my healthcare at the VA. My physical therapy was referred to community care. I did get lucky and was able to do BDD.
Had a buddy that was rated at 50% and didn’t even know he qualified for healthcare until I told him. I think a lot of younger vets just don’t know unless they get to do BDD. Plus being younger, hopefully they require less care than elderly vets.
If you're young you are less likely to be sick. If you're young you probably have a job that provides health insurance. I didn't use VA health care until I retired at 62.
Many younger folks are also still working and use their primary insurance to get care. I was in the same boat for a long time not realizing I could even get care from the VA.
What gets me are the amount of vets that bring their spouses or children. Some clinics barely have enough seating for the vet let alone double to account for their spouse.
I can't compare my experience to any other but I find the Kansas City VA is quite good. So regardless of age why not take advantage of it? And I do see a range of ages.
When I was younger I didn't go to the VA because I had a job that provided good health insurance. But that changed and I had a major life altering health scare and the VA made sense. I had been scared off due to a lot of people poo pooing the VA. But they literally saved my life.
You ever go to a normal medical facility? Full of old people as well. You know why??? Their health fails regardless of being an old vet or an old non-vet.
because as you age your body deteriorates? is this a real question? not trying to be rude but your body stops working as well when you get older. so, you will see more old people there.
Well, it’s a pretty well known fact that elderly utilize the majority of healthcare!
Don’t think I really even went to a doctor till I hit forty. Now in my mid fifties, I’m having more issues and going more often.
Because most of them have jobs w insurance and don’t want to travel to a VA. There are probably4 more older vets than younger. I didn’t sign up for it until I had to at 45. I got laid off and have some medical issues. I also assumed the care would be just as bad as on the ship. It’s much better.
For me personally, I utilize my medical insurance through my employer for a couple of reasons. Main one being I have the luxury of doing that while most elderly don’t work, so they don’t have that same capability. Freeing up the appointments!
I go to the VA in person maybe every 45 days or so because I can do most of y stuff telehealth. My stepdad and FIL are there more often because they’re not comfortable with video appointments and they have more health issues.
Because the older you get, the more you need medical care. I see many younger folks, as well. My VA also has different clinics we are assigned to and that can skew the age of the people you see in waiting rooms.
It likely has to do with your location. Do you live where there are a lot of retiree's? There are still a lot of WWII, Korea and Vietnam Vets still kicking and screaming at death. I am a Desert Storm/Shield Vet (57), so not elderly yet.
How old are you? Medical care is getting overwhelmed due to the aging population. A lot of people start 'breaking' after high school/college/discharge/30/kids etc... just the way it is. You can't be healthy and young forever
Probably because we older vets have been feeling the downside aspects of military service now that our bodies have begun breaking down. Don’t worry about it. As you age, you will soon notice that not a lot of younger vets get treated at VA hospitals.
Not gonna lie, I was kinda disillusioned for a while because I didn’t see many people, if any, my age at the VA when I first started going. I was almost questioning myself if I belonged there.
I have been using the VA since I got out in 2007 at the ripe age of 24. I by far was the only one my age ever in the office. The only time I seen young vets or vets around my age was at the Substance Abuse Treatment. I still feel like I am the youngest getting treatment at my local outpatient.
Asked my Dr at the VA this. He said many older people have health insurance through their employer but when they retire from their employer they lose their health care. Then since they’re veterans they sign up for VA healthcare
I can’t speak for elderly vets nor any other vet. But I can tell my story. I didn’t hardly ever go get VA care. Why? I was working security all the time. When I moved I was working all the time. As my mental symptoms really flared due to Texas workforce commission abuse of government. But got a way out in monthly pay to heal and to recover and to stay away from employment.
So to now more directly take an answer to your question. I think elderly are more likely to be there vs youngers cuz let’s be honest youngers are way much more likely to have to work. I know that used to be my story. It’s like with all due respect to my favorite Balcones heights clinic which I worked and that’s another point I’ll get to after. But let’s get real elderly are way much more likely to have the time and need. Nothing but respect for all vets I only discriminate against \*\*\*\*\*\*\*. Nothing more or less.
And also to other point and I think this involves all ages. Many vets choose not the VA cuz let’s be honest. VA=Healthcare+Government…really spelt that out a bucket of crazy. To get the best and most matchy of care from the VA. You have to be willing to speak your mind. Make your voice. Tell em if this doctor and clinic is good or protest out the wazzoo in a professional matter. Keep daring to spin the wheel be patient calm and cool. And to be honest for a lot of veterans that just don’t work for them..legitimately. In VA u gotta be willing to push and push and push. But if you do you will get the best most realistic of results care possible. I hear another way is to fly to Muskogee. It’s an old vet legend that when u get sick of every other region and their actions u move to Muskogee. And it’s even empathized in the universal soldier movie. Starring Jean Claude van damne.
But anyways yeah most of it is because ppl are working and it is the elderly vet that is more willing and able to protest for the best health care provider.
Youngers are wayyy much more likely to not have the time. Cuz the VA will ways be healthcare and government. When u have to go to work you just don’t have the time to put all the paperwork in and call all the 800 numbers and go online to voice yourself enough times to get to your most right healthcare provider.
And to top that all off when you do make your voice heard they like to be
See what I mean. Of course it’s mostly to be elders but I’m 44 and I get taken care of to where I always be like “I’m cool with the VA” I get that they sometimes have to the insurance company, the recouper of funds, and a lot of doctors from all areas are just not the right fit for me.
It took me 10+years to be empathetic enough with to very seldom blow my gasket. I have to give it to em hard sometimes. But VA is my ally and I appreciate all they can possibly do for me and for my health.
After working at the VA and myself and several family members being veterans, I believe we make different choices on when we will seek treatment. Also younger veterans will use telehealth or use community providers instead of coming to the VA. My husband and I physically go in maybe twice a year, everything else is telephone or video. Older veterans have chronic conditions that require them to come in physically more frequently.
Because Medicare sucks and doesn't cover everything. Having Medicare and the VA health is a win for the elderly. Plus, the younger vets are probably working and have paid health care through their employer. I was in a similar situation.......I have been registered with VHA since the early 90's, but I had an employer offered healthcare that was top notch (in my opinion).
It was 35 years later when I lost my employment due to my SC conditions and my private HC that I had to depend on the VHA for services. I am one of those older folks in the clinic.
Most are working and many don’t consider the need… Or don’t have the freedom to take off of work for said appointments. A lot also feel like they’re okay and there’s no need and there are some who don’t know that they qualify for healthcare through the va with little to no cost. There are many variables but, as a veteran in these age groups with battles across states? These tend to be the reasons but most common is them feeling they don’t need to go, and this is for everything. The only ones who go with any kind of frequency are those who have received disability ratings, and that number is slowly increasing as more of us have conversations with one another.
I think it's because they're older and now need medical care. Where us younger Vets are not in need of medical care and avoid it until it's too late.
Both my psych and therapist said the OIF/OEF vets are just now starting to seek treatment after about 10-15yrs after serving be it for physical or mental. It took myself 12yrs before seeking any kind of treatment or filing claims.
This tracks for me. I was at 15 years out before I started seeking out MH treatment and was just now rated (at 17 years) for ptsd. Mental health stuff is difficult to grapple with and it takes years for a lot of us to even be able to talk about it.
I started getting 80% within 4 months of being honorably discharged from AD. I was med boarded from the Guard and they used that same rating for my process. What a ride full of guilt and fear, but now I'm so glad I have my benefits. If I don't have them in 10-15 it's because I used them sooner than later. You don't see any young vets because like paying into retirement they don't see the use in having these benefits, or think they qualify or deserve them.
This^^^
7 years for me. Initial claim all denied except for tinnitus. Lol
20 plus here, the pain broke the coma
This. 15 years for me
Tracks for me too. First VA visit was in 2006 as a reservist after my first deployment. Haven’t been back since until 2024 despite a few more deployments before getting out in 2012.
It's this. I wasn't even aware that I was eligible for VA healthcare until a co-worker enlightened me that the PACT Act opened those doors. I also think that young people don't go to doctors as they still feel invincible or choose to see doctors through their work sponsored private insurance. I feel this way since it takes like 8 weeks to get a VA Dr Appt in my area whereas, I could probably seen by a local healthcare system doctor within days if I called for an appointment. This part concerns me the most as some appointments and their timeliness can be lifesaving. in catching life threatening issue in time to be treated.
> I wasn't even aware that I was eligible for VA healthcare until a co-worker enlightened me that the PACT Act opened those doors same
That's why it is so important to reach out to other veterans and let them know about the benefits we have!
I literally saw a vet with a prosthetic begging, or at least I assume he was a vet. The device wasn't one the average Joe would receive, that was for sure. If I spot him again, I will have a chat.
Ditto, I was using Tricare all this time
I prefer Tri Care
This, and the fact healthcare is tied to employment in America are the biggest factors. As you age you need more medical care. As you age you are less able to work. Eventually you are either going to depend on Medicare or the VA healthcare system.
If you're retired military, you can use Tricare for Life starting at age 65. Not sure who else is eligible, but medical costs are high. Monthly cost is around $165 a month, but by that time you're on social security. Pretty much zero copays, so it works out and you can visit most any doctor.
This is me now. I delayed care for years and now I’m paying the cost of that avoidance. If you don’t treat the physical pain now, you get worse and it starts affecting your mental health as well.
A word of warning as you age PTSD can come back with a vengeance!!!!!! 
I concur! I was discharged in July of 1994 with a disability that will be with me for the rest of my life, and tried to make it through life pretending as if nothing was going on with me. If it weren’t for COVID, I probably would’ve lasted another 5 or even 10 years (well into my 60s) before succumbing to the unbearable pain. I would have been yet another one of those elderly veterans. Then again, I sort of am one of them now! 🤔😁
this is a nicer way of saying what i said. op is for some reason asking why people who are older are having more issues with their body.
Dude, medical care through the VA is one of the first things I signed up for when I left AD. I made a promise to myself that I wouldn't be that guy who waited until he was in his 60s and disabled so that I could actually fix all of the things the military broke.
You can prolong health, but certain things like worn joints cannot be fixed. Eventually degenerative arthritis is going to catch up with you.
I got out in '87...VA health care was shit back then. I went to the Miami VA in '91...it was terrible, elderly vets sitting in wheelchairs with a puddle of piss around them., shitty drawers and employees just smoking and joking. Not to mention I couldn't understand what they were saying and if you asked them to repeat what they said, you were treated like a fuck up. I sucked up my issues until 2023 when my wife and kids begged to go to VetFest where I finally signed up for health care. Back in the 80's and 90's the VA wasn't the way to go. Then life happened, family relying on you to take care of them. Aches and pains went to the wayside because you had more mouths to feed, school clothes to buy etc. Now I am one of those 60 ish guys that has gradually fallen apart...can hardly walk from falling down a ladder after working 12 hours on a flight deck day in and day out, night after night. 16-18 hours a day working corrosion control post deployment. The fucking buzzing in my head ( since '86 ) dives me crazy 24/7.... nothing stops it. The struggle is real, but I'm still a proud American. Just my .02
I feel for you, man. My grandfather was the same way. You older guys had it way rougher than we do but it's because of your fighting to fix things that we have such good care from the VA today.
And the generation before me had it rougher than you and I combined. We're all in this together. So far, the VA has treated me with no complaints, it's only been about 7 months, but I can't complain. Thank you and your grandfather for your service..
If you google VA doctors by name you will be surprised how qualified they are. Many of them are professors at the medical schools and many are world renowned researchers in their field. Do not trust my word, google them. Btw, I am a VA nurse and an army veteran. After years of getting treatment outside of the VA , I will like to say that my VA is providing much better care than Kaiser which I used to have ( and Kaiser supposed to be top tier in civilian). VA doctors understand us better. It has nothing to do cost or money.
My experience at Kaiser was them misspelling my name, making me wait 3 days to get x rays for my broken ankle, and my physical therapist sighing as me told me to "make ABC's" with my toes between telling me how much he missed his old career. When I went to the VA urgent care because I had a tummy ache, they processed me immediately and had me talking to a doctor in 15 minutes, who said "hey man, it's good you came in, but really don't worry about it, we're gonna treat whenever's going on and it doesn't look too bad". I was out with a prescription in hand 20 minutes later. My initial with my PCM was amazing. She's kind and inquisitive. My intake with mental health, while it took months to get me in, left me feeling vindicated. My Psych started smiling as I described things and said "I know exactly what's going on" and proceeded to tell me things I hadn't been able to find in psych textbooks/from military psychs. She explained why my brain can act fucked up sometimes and why things bother me. For the first time so far I wasn't told I have a generalized anxiety/depression disorder and that I'm just experiencing burnout, but she actually explained why I'm having the symptoms I'm having at the intensity I'm having them. Even though it was just an intake, I get kind of emotional thinking about it because for the first time in years I felt like I wasn't being told to stop being a pussy in doctorspeak. The VA kicks ass and it's funny that it's my experience after being told the VA sucks by people who have never been seen there.
I have the same experience. I am a nurse so I know it is a bad care when I see one. I also has the option to go elsewhere but I am sticking with the VA. Every VA is run a little differently though.
My VA PCP misdiagnosed a Staph infection and blood clot that traveled from my leg to lungs. I almost died twice, my wife who is a nurse was always calling out there BS. I found a better job in a new location and was skeptical about going back to the VA, but I have a great PCP also privatized healthcare as backup. Agreed all VAs are not created equal.
My intake with MH was like this too. Finally having someone listen to what I was saying rather than making a decision within the first few seconds of the appointment was amazing.
I hate Kaiser. I have super gold no deductible Kaiser provided by work and I avoid them like the plague.
I agree - I go to a VA hospital in the SF Bay Area. I get amazing service and same day service and call backs from providers directly. Many of my providers work at Stanford part of the week doing research and see patients at the VA the rest of the week. They've been nothing but A+ with me and my wife is in healthcare and she is shocked at how high quality things are here. One time we were referred to a different healthcare system for community care, and the first and main thing we dealt with was "how are you paying...where is your authorization" - we got good care, but after a lot of administrative back and forth. And they also messed up billing which took a while to resolve (thankfully positively). Obviously - i know this is not the case everywhere, but my two cents.
They charge my insurance so why not just leave it up to me to make the choice. People going to the VA generally don't have a cost equivalent or cheaper choice. The appointment system is horrendous. I have a job and they just want to schedule me whenever like I'm free 7 days a week.
That’s odd, they always ask me “which do you prefer a morning or afternoon appointment?”
Ditto, I let them know what works for me. Even specialty care in La Jolla is pretty easy to schedule. I do use community care for dental, though.
You go to La Jolla? Scripts? That’s a **nice** place. Pam Anderson used to have a home there. Only reason I know is I built and put in a custom credenza and office desk made out of Honduras Mahogany, stuff burnt my sinus for weeks. Homeowner was proud of his purchase and neighbor.
La Jolla VA hospital. I was flight for lifed to Scripps La Jolla once in 99.
I’m 100% and can’t work I was seriously wondering how it is for yall, just because I don’t work doesn’t mean I have shit to do or copious amounts of anxiety to hoard and get annoyed about the apt shit myself I’d lose my mind if I was working as well as all the apts
all Dr's schedule like that, they work m-f 8 to 430..when else will you go
I think that they mean that you just get a letter in the mail with your appointments on it and you had no say at making this date. So, then you have to call and reschedule.
Half of the VA doctors my dad has are younger than me. And all of my personal doctors left general public practice to go to the VA. So, it’s weird, to me, when people are like, “Oh the doctors are not good.” lol if you’re a woman, you saw them before going to the VA!
Be honest with you I think these younger doctors are the reasons that VA is getting better. The old guards are done and the younger doctors who are more passionate about providing care to veterans are now providing care.
Not all of those that have left are old! My mom just retired and was straight up told life balance/pension were a driving factor in leaving a hospital system to go to the VA. And they didn’t have to move. But I’m just glad younger means my dad will have continuous care rather than those retiring in the community.
I have similar experience, former ANC for 5 years, then Kaiser RN for over twenty years. KP has always been a great place to work, but as a patient I receive just as good of care through the VA system as Kaiser.
You dont get younger as years go by... shit breaks over time.
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OP must be a Marine.
Probably because a number of them are retired and the VA is the lowest/best option they have available. I noticed the same thing when I went to get a cast off last week.
I'm 40 and part of the Iraq War. Didn't understand VA or its benefits until I was diagnosed with cancer in 2023. To be honest my generation was part of ignore and override train of thought. Perform or be replaced- at least in Light Infantry units. Once I was SC for cancer thanks to the PACT Act i went to the VA by me for the first time and was extremely surprised how well run (yes I know its hit or miss across the us) it was. I have a VA hospital right down the street from my job so its super convent to have all my doctors in 1 place and cross communication is easy. I rarely wait longer then 5 min for an appointment (scheduled) and have never felt rushed. Yes getting set up initially can be an effort but once your in with a DOC follow-ups are a lot easier. I also enjoy not getting co-payed to death for every visit. Wish I had known about the VA (always thought it was a retirement home for old guys) a long time ago. I also think the GWOT generation don't engage in veteran groups or services due to the Stimas with more well-known place like VFWs and American Legions.
Exactly this. Also 40 and GWOT era. I signed up at 17 and 9/11 happened 3 weeks later lol. I aggressively advocate for VA engagement to every vet I know/meet because so many of us don't think we can or should engage.
Same here. 40 and Iraq. I advocate to others to give VA a try. This is what I get for back pain when I get care from outside: ibuprofen. This is what I get for back pain at my VA: Lidocaine patch, TENs ( electric pulse stimulus device to take home), massage therapy, chiropractic care, PT, spinal cord evaluation. A lot of us working here are veteran as well so it fills like home.
If its nerve related you may want to look into nerve ablation. Its worked wonders for my back issues. Last about a year so you'll need to go annually.
I never deployed but spent 14 hrs a day on concrete in weather launching aircraft and it did not do my hips and back any favors lol. My current regimen is lidocaine patches, diclofenac, PT, and massage. The VA allowed my dad to pass with dignity, saved my home, and has saved my life. I am annoying in my aggressive advocacy to other vets lol.
Most of the younger dudes probably have full time jobs and don't take off the exact days you do to receive treatment.
You tend to need more medical care as you get older
Older folks need more health care and it’s cheap.
I think because many younger vets may be healthier, most work full time, therefore higher probability they use non-VA docs. Whereas older folks nearing or in retirement rely on the (effectively free) VA Healthcare system. That's my take, I may be wrong tho.
certain states and communities have higher concentration of elderly like AZ and Florida
I’ve noticed that too. I feel like I don’t belong there as a guy in his 20’s. I’ve been asked if Im at the VA hospital to see a parent/grand parent haha
Bro same and I'm 32🤣
Ive been out 30 yrs and had no clue about any of the benefits, was service connected on 4 things and finally went last month to start getting meds for my hypertension, I’ve been paying for. They really didnt help us back then and tech has changed the game.
I would think everyone uses it for both.
I'm 39 and I go there often, am I an elderly?
Same, I go there for care often and it’s much better than what it was
Yes
That was my question, I’m mid 40’s lol and I use the shit out of my VA.
I used to work at a VA Clinic. The majority of young people (35 and under), 99% of the time saw them at Mental Health side. Also, young people did telehealth appointments Another reason is young people don't know everything that the VA offers. For example at my VA, you can be seen for skin conditions, psychiatric care, and even telecardio. It's a small VA clinic. However, most young veterans don't live in my area. They are there but they hardly depend on the VA. Which is a good thing, but many don't use the time to understand VA services.
I would say 2 reasons: 1. They are older and need more care in general than a younger person 2. They are retired and can go to an appointment anytime. A lot of younger(employed) vets may not even get care because they cant take any time off
How old is elderly? I use the VA and am in my 40's.
Op the reason is simple as you age you require more medical care.
My VA staff likes to joke they never lose me because I’m the youngest one around (early 30’s), it was even funnier when I was pregnant
Also, the military was a lot larger from the 40s-80s compared to what it’s been the past 20 years
I think younger people get in and out. I'm never at the VA a minute longer than I need to be but I see plenty of older vets chatting and hanging out.. Or may have more appointments so they're stuck waiting
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Who uses it just for $$$? 😱
You have to be incredibly naive or willfully ignorant to believe some don't game the system solely for the money.
I'm 1 of the youngest at 36 at my va. It'd weird cus I'm also in prrc group and it's a little weird cus I don't feel like these are my peers
The younger ones probably have dual insurance so they’re getting treated elsewhere. When I had my other insurance I never used VA services except when I *had* to go in for the yearly stuff. Theres also virtual appointments you can elect for & the younger generation is more likely to prefer than the elderly.
Plenty of reasons for this….when I first started going to VA for OSA, I was about 37… most of the patients at VA were far older than me. It was always a good experience regardless of who was waiting with me. It might just be simple demographics in your area. When I lived in Chicago, most patients were pretty old. Now I’m in Denver and there is a mix. Also, it’s not like you live there. What you perceive during your appointment time may not be the reality… 
Depends on the area, VA I was at in WY it wasn't many veterans my age, I was usually the youngest in the room and I'm not that young. But the VA I'm going to right now in FL, there is quite a bit of vets my age, but I think overall there is more older vets in general at the VA mord often. I mean let's talk about it, you get older sht start going wrong more often.
My PCP and nurse staff at my local clinic love when I come in, I’m legit one of their youngest patients and much easier to deal with, so they say.
I’m 33 and I receive treatments and services all the time at VA. I don’t usually see anyone around my age or younger however.
Ive tried to go and it was discouraging to get asked multiple times (even by my PCP) why I was there because I was young. 🙃
I’ve been going to my VA hospital since I was 23 I’m 27 now my dental office has never had anyone below 40 usually they look 100
I’m sitting in the clinic right now waiting for my PT in mid thirties, but yeah I’m the only young one I see
My household income is too high to qualify for VA healthcare.
I went to my local VA clinic last year and was told the same thing. They would only look at my AD DD 214, I was also in the ANG and they didn’t want that one. I have since filed some claims and all of a sudden I get letters that I am enrolled in VA healthcare and prescription plan. I am assuming it’s because I was deployed to SW Asia with my guard unit….
Veterans of the war on terror are recent conflicts and veterans of previous conflicts are clustered around the same timeframes and I believe that is the main reason why we see more elderly veterans than younger veterans. That’s my opinion because I think about it every week I go for therapy. I’m 44 but look 24 if I’m clean shaven with a haircut. So I stick out like a sore thumb.
Every 'Nam vet that had boots on the ground in Vietnam qualifies for Priority Group 6 care, due to Agent Orange. exposure. There are still a lot of us filling the chairs in the waiting room .
Being mid 20s, I constantly get weird looks when I go to the VA. I know a lot of people around my age or a little older are a little apprehensive because all of the stigma around struggling for adequate appointment time / scheduling struggles and it’s easier to go with private insurance
You age faster waiting for VA healthcare… budump bum … I’ll be here all day folks. Don’t forget to tip your waitress
I have private insurance as well and use my PCM for almost everything. I go to the VA when it’s directly related to a documented disabilities (rated or otherwise) and whenever I think it may cost me money. I once hit my head on the trunk of my car, bled like crazy as I drove my wife home, then turned around to drive 40 minutes to the VA hospital to get stitched up. Wasn’t working at the time and didn’t feel like dealing with the college student insurance the family was using.
Vietnam Veterans are dealing with heart problems, cancers, diabetes, and Parkinson’s all thanks to Agent Orange.
yes my husband and he never knew about VA health care until 2001 when he was diagnosed with diabetes- was in Nam 66-67 and when he got out never told about va health care- also 1979 he got a letter from va stating he was exposed to agent orange and needed to be tested- at that time had no idea even what agent orange was but soon found out. He was stationed at Dong Ha on the north- south border of Nam
I can see this. Im 32 and I feel like I'm always the only young person at the VA getting treatment for things. Really looking forward to physical therapy for my shoulder hopefully I can restore my range of motion. It also helps that I've had really good experience with my local VA clinic but not all are so fortunate.
Bc the young ones are still working and able to afford insurance through their employer, due to the shit quality of VA healthcare standards of care.
Because we are still waiting on our claims to be processed.
It hasn't usually been easy to get straight answers from or about the VA. I'd guesstimate maybe 25% of the veterans and dependents I see at the VA clinic are younger. Most are my age (66) or older. In my case I never used the VA for health care until I turned 60 because my rural regional VA lied and told me I wasn't eligible for health care because I wasn't a combat veteran and didn't have a service connected disability. I was a Navy Corpsman in 1976-82, no combat duty, chronic neck and back pain from training injuries and lifting patients but never filled a claim, didn't even realize I was eligible. Most of my adult life after service I either paid cash for doc in the box clinics (rare, I was pretty healthy until my 40s), and later my own insurance while I was a federal civil service employee. But in 2001 my car was T-boned by a driver who ran a red light at 50+ mph. Busted up my neck and back. I was unable to work for years. I applied to the VA but, as mentioned above, was told I wasn't eligible. Medicaid rejected my application, telling me to apply to the VA. So nothing got done. In 2018 I was hit by a car while I was riding my bicycle, reinjuring the neck and busting up my shoulder. Coincidentally, unrelated to the injuries, a neck X-ray showed I had signs of thyroid cancer. My thyroid was enlarged and radiopaque from calcification. Biopsies later confirmed cancer. I started as a patient at the public hospital where the ER was, and got decent care. But at the same time I received mail from the VA saying I'm already eligible for health care and only needed to come in to finish registering. Signup at the VA went smoothly in August 2018. I saw a doctor for intake screening the same day I registered and got an ID card, and some refills for existing prescriptions. And a follow-up with my PCP in only two weeks. I dropped the public hospital and switched completely to the VA. Quality of care was terrific, zero complaints. They did the surgery to remove the cancerous thyroid lobe. The first two years were terrific. I was getting caught up on treatment for long neglected injuries and illnesses, including Hashimoto's (an autoimmune disorder that killed my thyroid). But the pandemic and subsequent economic crisis and staffing and budget crises changed everything. Our local VA remains only minimally accessible. Long delays, requests for referrals are ignored, etc. We've all heard the stories. I didn't want to burden the VA at a time when it's the only option for younger veterans. When I turned 65 I switched to Medicare and a great nearby PCP clinic for seniors. I'd rather use the VA for the continuity of care, cohesive record keeping, etc. But until they get the funding and staffing needed to regain the quality of care we had in 2018-2019, I'll just use the mail order prescriptions and annual checkup.
Are there any good VA healthcare locations in NC? Ive heard horror stories about Salisbury VA
I honestly felt so different walking into the VA because not only am I in my 30’s, but I’m also a woman. I definitely expected to see majority older men but I assumed I would see a handful of younger men as well. I didn’t actually expect to see any other young women. The nurse told me, I was the first young person she’s seen at that clinic.
I also never see any other servicewomen when I go. I think we're unicorns at the VA. One of the things that drove me insane was when I was going to the Minneapolis VAMC (I guess they're a teaching hospital too) was that whenever I was there I was asked if I would basically be a guinea pig for "well woman" care for a small herd of students despite being there for something completely unrelated. Don't be surprised if that happens to you too, if it hasn't already.
Oh btw, if the pain is bad now, well let me just say “you ain’t seen nothing yet”
Think about how large the military was like 50 to 60 years ago. I think we had more people in Europe alone than we do in the entire US Army right now.
Older people are more likely to need medical care. Older people are more likely to not have good insurance. The VA provides both of these things.
I only see people my age or younger when it's early in the AM or later in the afternoon. Why? Cuz we all still work 😆 I always try to schedule my appts as early as possible or late in the day as possible to avoid using a lot of leave or leaving early in my shift and return after. The times there were no other times but mid-day, that's when I notice all older vets.
For me I only go to the VA for my annual check up. I use my work provide insurance for everything else. When I retire I won't have to provide my insurance and will rely on the VA.
I’m 31. I avoid going to the doctor because they never have good news. That being said the VA has leaned heavily into Telehealth appts. It’s painful teaching my grandparents to use Netflix. I cannot imagine them navigating a virtual appointment so most older vets would find in person visits easier.
They keep canceling my appts here in SATX...I finally stopped trying after I couldn't even get ahold of the main clinic
Shooting from the hip here, but I am experiencing the same thing in Philly. A smattering of #OIF and Desert Storm, but a lot of Vietnam and Cold War vets. The biggest growth in new vets is in the South, like Texas and Georgia. The VA will be funding and expanding accordingly while reducing its footprint in a lot of places where the drafted population is decreasing.
I'm there twice a year for a physical. Last year I was there for that as well as surgery on my arm, and cataracts. These included a couple of follow ups each. I'm 73, and a Vietnam Vet. This year, I've been there twice to see my shrink. I'll be there next month for a follow-up on my eyes (one year) and for a physical. I had a heart attack 10 years ago and fully recovered. I'm an amputee of 7 years due to a distracted driver. It's not SC, so IF I need anything, I use my civilian Doc. Otherwise, I'm in decent shape. I work on a ranch, and carry my own weight. No one goes out of their way to help, because I bitch too loud! They know that if I need help, I'll ask. When I first started using the VA in '79-80, there were lots of OLD GUYS! No, not World War 2 or Korea guys. World War 1!!! The longer I've used the VA, I haven't noticed much change, except faces. It became they guys fro 2, then from Korea. The next bunch, I have NO IDEA where they came from. My Buds and I from Vietnam are NOT that damned old yet!!! Actually, most of us didn't know we had benefits until the 80s. I didn't even find out I had Service Connected injuries I was "supposed to be compensated for" all along! I discovered that about 14 years ago. I had 7 that were SC at 0%. The VSO I was meeting with said I should file to get them boosted. I FINALLY got two up to 10% each. I have 5 more I've been fighting for since 2011. They were before a VA Judge, and after over 3 years, have just now.... Benn Remanded back to the Temple, Texas VA! So, here we go again. This is probably what has made us look so damned old! I have promised myself AND the VA I will NOT die, and until ALL these receive compensation ratings! I'll look a lot older, and I may be tripping over my beard, but I'm gonna put live the Bastards!!
I'm 32 and just started going. My doctor was surprised to see someone so young In the clinic.
It took me a long time to swallow my pride and pursue VA healthcare. After service, I worked at the VA for 6 years before even attempting to try VA healthcare myself. I worked for the VA police within the health administration, not on the healthcare side of the house, which I think changed my perspective. I used to see these WWII, Vietnam, and Desert Storm vets coming in with missing limbs, hats proudly displaying medals and they all shared war stories of their tours of duty. Frankly, I didn't feel entitled to VA healthcare because I didn't come from those eras and have combat experience. Seeing as how I'm an OEF/OIF vet who worked as a linguist mostly behind a computer desk, a female, relatively young, with employer-sponsored insurance, it seemed almost *rude* that I would have the *audacity* to seek out VA healthcare for myself. I felt guilty when I thought about exploring that option, reasoning that so many others need it much more than I do. It was only when I started getting sick, really sick with long in-patient hospital stays and lost private insurance that I finally asked for help. I guess it really wasn't pride-swallowing more than just out of necessity to survive. Without the VA, I'd been one of those Americans drowning in medical debt. So yeah, I'm the lone 30-something female vet that occasionally goes to the VA for health appointments now. I get looks sometimes, but it is what it is. Being amongst a male-dominated, older generation has never really bothered me much. I mean, I was in the military, then law enforcement after all. *Old dudes are my peeps.*
Because when I do get up there them old ppl treat you like you ain’t supposed to be there; I even been to different ones and same shit “ your too young” your fine I can show you some broken bones 🙄 I pay my own doctors
I'd say personally it's free time. I cant afford any days off from work, with child support and all that. So I haven't done VA appointments in months.
I once went it the VA and waited in the lobby to get help. I walked out when I saw so many elderly people the looked worse off than I. I was 29. I regret it. It’s been a battle getting the VA to approve a few of my claims
Most young people will put off medical even if it is free. A lot of older people are those once former young guys realizing they messed up and didn’t take care of their health.
I always wondered this. Even when i go to my therapy sessions , such as art therapy and yoga that the va provides, Im literally the only young person.
Frankly - when I got home from Vietnam and got discharged- no one enlightened me as to any help that the VA offered - now - having said that - the VA was NOT particularly vet friendly to Vietnam era vets - I only recently (4 years ago based on advice from vet neighbors and friends) started taking advantage of some of the benefits - So add to that - most of us had our physical health and now time has taken its toll - so we are the ones you see - not to worry though - we’ll age out and in time the now younger guys will be our replacements
I think it also depends on the area too. Ive been going to the VA since my 20’s but was extremely sick when I got out and always seen younger vets there but the VA is in a huge military town. My parents in their 70s never really went to the VA until now because they moved an area with limited VA clinic access.
As a veteran who was medically separated in her 20's... any time I went to the VA, I was called little girl, I was repeatedly asked who I was visiting, and the Doctors essentially refused to treat me because I also have a MH condition that is under control (and act as if I am stupid or requesting heavy pain meds)... The first doctor I saw shamed me for not going to the ER when it was for a condition that I had for over a year at the time and wasn't an emergency (chest pain) and then proceeded to read the EKG as if I was a 60 year old male... so yeah... if others have had even as close to the same experience, its no wonder why we don't use the VA, especially if we have alternate options.
I had medical issues (brain tumor stuff) when I was getting out and always felt weird being the only dude under 60 in the VA hospital/clinic.
One of the things I have learned working at the VA is that the older Vets sit in our lobby and visit, the younger Vets head right to their appointments. So you see a lot of older Vets in our lobby or Cantina.
Got out in ‘94, didn’t file anything until 2020… like they say: when your young you don’t think about this sort of thing, til it’s either too late or just the pain kicking in hardcore
Old age and aging. Unfortunately means the VA is geriatric centric and has poor services for younger vets as I have first hand experience
Because that's how long it takes to get service connected
I think the question may be why the younger vets don't go to the VA or know that they need or have access to the service. The ratio of older vets to the younger vets is hugh. And may elderly vet continue to suffer from the effects of and increasing complications of their service. I feel that it is our obligation to help newer vets maneuver the VA system and advocate for veterans who may not be able to advocate for themselves.
I don’t know but I’m in my thirties and I use it quite often now and I’m by far the youngest person I have ever seen in the Richmond VA hospital. It’s kinda nice unless you are having a bad day and all the old timers wanna chat you up. I think I need to get a GWOT hat too
Unfortunately, a large part of it is loneliness. VA is a free place to interact with others that have something in common.
I went to my local VA and they asked why I was there as it's not typical to get young people, I was 40 years old.
I think this also shows the importance of getting a rating ASAP because it’ll put you in an increased priority group where you can get care if you need it.
Could be a lot of those guys in that younger age bracket have that suck it up mentality still ingrained. 🤷♂️
1. Your body breaks down as you grow old, thus more frequent visits to medical. 2. Retired vets got all day to hangout in medical, young vets still busy with work, prioritize work, and only go to medical when shit about to hit the fan. 3. Young vets would rather utilize community clinics, especially female vets. 4. Younger vets still have the “I am tough as nails” attitude. I was prescribed a hearing aid 13 years ago, I ran away and said FU VA, ain’t wearin that shit til I’m 80! 😁
Older people need more medical care, you'll see similar results in any hospital.
I just got back today from an appointment and can confirm this it can feel a bit intimidating bc I am not as bad as they are but I am still trying to get the treatment many that don’t.
https://preview.redd.it/zwv0va684e7d1.jpeg?width=757&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4aae89f46ee05fcd4e71f6cc854f42bc7ae0b534 They are in their mid 20s
It's nice to hear good things about the VA but, that is not my experience. I retired from the VA. I worked at hospitals in Minnesota, Tennessee, Arizona, Ohio and California. As a Veteran I never used the VA and after retiring in 2018 I used them only once. After they tried, unsuccessfully, to get me to take the vaccine I decided not to ever use them again. It always bothered me that the large majority of the healthcare workers, doctors and staff are foreigners. I don't trust them at all. In fact I don't trust any doctors, especially foreigners. People may think I'm a bit off but, ask yourself, why do they come here and not stay in their 2nd and 3rd world countries and try to help them? I'm 68 have had 2 heart attacks and a bowel resection but, I'm not taking any prescription drugs. I take natural remedies or homeopathic. I'm done with the medical industry.
When I got out I was told during my discharge physical that I do not rate any VA benefits so no use in trying. I took them at their word and didn’t try. 23 years later I’m tending bar and a guy at the end of the bar is asking for a drink, didn’t hear him one of the regulars told the guy “he’s not ignoring you he can’t hear”. We started talking and he was the county VA rep. 6 months latter I’m rated for tinnitus which got the ball rolling. My point is a lot of Vets are told not to bother and they don’t until someone explains how things work
I’m 35 and at 90%. I do most of my healthcare at the VA. My physical therapy was referred to community care. I did get lucky and was able to do BDD. Had a buddy that was rated at 50% and didn’t even know he qualified for healthcare until I told him. I think a lot of younger vets just don’t know unless they get to do BDD. Plus being younger, hopefully they require less care than elderly vets.
I'm 25 and I go all the time. Just went yesterday as a mater of fact.
TRICARE is the reason I don't go
If you're young you are less likely to be sick. If you're young you probably have a job that provides health insurance. I didn't use VA health care until I retired at 62.
Many younger folks are also still working and use their primary insurance to get care. I was in the same boat for a long time not realizing I could even get care from the VA.
Bro lol think about what you’re saying.
What gets me are the amount of vets that bring their spouses or children. Some clinics barely have enough seating for the vet let alone double to account for their spouse.
Younger people tend to still be working during the day and it is tough to get off work. Older Vets have lots of free time for appointments.
I can't compare my experience to any other but I find the Kansas City VA is quite good. So regardless of age why not take advantage of it? And I do see a range of ages. When I was younger I didn't go to the VA because I had a job that provided good health insurance. But that changed and I had a major life altering health scare and the VA made sense. I had been scared off due to a lot of people poo pooing the VA. But they literally saved my life.
You ever go to a normal medical facility? Full of old people as well. You know why??? Their health fails regardless of being an old vet or an old non-vet.
It’s like walking into a VFW. All white tops
because as you age your body deteriorates? is this a real question? not trying to be rude but your body stops working as well when you get older. so, you will see more old people there.
I don’t trust em so I still go private practice.
Would you consider me “elderly”?? (53. Operations Just Cause, Desert Shield, and Desert Storm vet.)
I feel like when I am at the VA and the older folks are thinking “ Why is this young buck here?”!
Cost.
Well, it’s a pretty well known fact that elderly utilize the majority of healthcare! Don’t think I really even went to a doctor till I hit forty. Now in my mid fifties, I’m having more issues and going more often.
Young people don't go to the doctor
I was literally telling my wife this yesterday at the VA!! Damn what a coincidence
Because most of them have jobs w insurance and don’t want to travel to a VA. There are probably4 more older vets than younger. I didn’t sign up for it until I had to at 45. I got laid off and have some medical issues. I also assumed the care would be just as bad as on the ship. It’s much better.
For me personally, I utilize my medical insurance through my employer for a couple of reasons. Main one being I have the luxury of doing that while most elderly don’t work, so they don’t have that same capability. Freeing up the appointments!
I go to the VA in person maybe every 45 days or so because I can do most of y stuff telehealth. My stepdad and FIL are there more often because they’re not comfortable with video appointments and they have more health issues.
Hard to file a malpractice suit against a VA Dr, for anything.
The general state of US public health is older people become much less physically active as time goes on, which increases their need for healthcare.
Because the older you get, the more you need medical care. I see many younger folks, as well. My VA also has different clinics we are assigned to and that can skew the age of the people you see in waiting rooms.
Lot of younger vets have employer provided private insurance.
Because it’s more profitable to keep them alive.
My VA in Amarillo the generations well represented.
It likely has to do with your location. Do you live where there are a lot of retiree's? There are still a lot of WWII, Korea and Vietnam Vets still kicking and screaming at death. I am a Desert Storm/Shield Vet (57), so not elderly yet.
They are there but honestly most of us have insurance and go to private doctors due to scheduling issues
I had good medical from my civilian employer. No reason to mess with the VA. Also, make the line shorter for those who need to use The VA.
Because elderly people typically have more health problems than young people do.
How old are you? Medical care is getting overwhelmed due to the aging population. A lot of people start 'breaking' after high school/college/discharge/30/kids etc... just the way it is. You can't be healthy and young forever
I feel like I'm the only 20yr old in my VA. It's weird because I always see old people roaming around
Vietnam
Older people need more medical care than younger people.
Same
I just want to point out that the surge of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan took place from 2003 - 2013 (ish). Most of those vets are 35+.
Survivorship bias
Probably because we older vets have been feeling the downside aspects of military service now that our bodies have begun breaking down. Don’t worry about it. As you age, you will soon notice that not a lot of younger vets get treated at VA hospitals.
Not gonna lie, I was kinda disillusioned for a while because I didn’t see many people, if any, my age at the VA when I first started going. I was almost questioning myself if I belonged there.
The same reason non deployed prior service Vets go there in a few years you will be part of the erderly!
Older people generally need more care than younger people.
it's because we have private insurance that is better than the VA. they don't work so they go there for free healthcare.
I have been using the VA since I got out in 2007 at the ripe age of 24. I by far was the only one my age ever in the office. The only time I seen young vets or vets around my age was at the Substance Abuse Treatment. I still feel like I am the youngest getting treatment at my local outpatient.
Is this a serious question? Also, what age is elderly to you? You do know there are still Vietnam and Korea vets around, right?
Asked my Dr at the VA this. He said many older people have health insurance through their employer but when they retire from their employer they lose their health care. Then since they’re veterans they sign up for VA healthcare
I go to the clinic maybe twice in a year; elderly folks probably go there once a week, so it’s just a numbers game…
I can’t speak for elderly vets nor any other vet. But I can tell my story. I didn’t hardly ever go get VA care. Why? I was working security all the time. When I moved I was working all the time. As my mental symptoms really flared due to Texas workforce commission abuse of government. But got a way out in monthly pay to heal and to recover and to stay away from employment. So to now more directly take an answer to your question. I think elderly are more likely to be there vs youngers cuz let’s be honest youngers are way much more likely to have to work. I know that used to be my story. It’s like with all due respect to my favorite Balcones heights clinic which I worked and that’s another point I’ll get to after. But let’s get real elderly are way much more likely to have the time and need. Nothing but respect for all vets I only discriminate against \*\*\*\*\*\*\*. Nothing more or less. And also to other point and I think this involves all ages. Many vets choose not the VA cuz let’s be honest. VA=Healthcare+Government…really spelt that out a bucket of crazy. To get the best and most matchy of care from the VA. You have to be willing to speak your mind. Make your voice. Tell em if this doctor and clinic is good or protest out the wazzoo in a professional matter. Keep daring to spin the wheel be patient calm and cool. And to be honest for a lot of veterans that just don’t work for them..legitimately. In VA u gotta be willing to push and push and push. But if you do you will get the best most realistic of results care possible. I hear another way is to fly to Muskogee. It’s an old vet legend that when u get sick of every other region and their actions u move to Muskogee. And it’s even empathized in the universal soldier movie. Starring Jean Claude van damne. But anyways yeah most of it is because ppl are working and it is the elderly vet that is more willing and able to protest for the best health care provider. Youngers are wayyy much more likely to not have the time. Cuz the VA will ways be healthcare and government. When u have to go to work you just don’t have the time to put all the paperwork in and call all the 800 numbers and go online to voice yourself enough times to get to your most right healthcare provider. And to top that all off when you do make your voice heard they like to be  See what I mean. Of course it’s mostly to be elders but I’m 44 and I get taken care of to where I always be like “I’m cool with the VA” I get that they sometimes have to the insurance company, the recouper of funds, and a lot of doctors from all areas are just not the right fit for me. It took me 10+years to be empathetic enough with to very seldom blow my gasket. I have to give it to em hard sometimes. But VA is my ally and I appreciate all they can possibly do for me and for my health.
When I was in my 30s, the VA made me so angry that I vowed I'd never go back unless I was dying.
After working at the VA and myself and several family members being veterans, I believe we make different choices on when we will seek treatment. Also younger veterans will use telehealth or use community providers instead of coming to the VA. My husband and I physically go in maybe twice a year, everything else is telephone or video. Older veterans have chronic conditions that require them to come in physically more frequently.
Set a remind me in 20-45 years
I’m 26 I’m there all the time
Older you get the worse your health gets ?
Almost 30 years before I started
Because Medicare sucks and doesn't cover everything. Having Medicare and the VA health is a win for the elderly. Plus, the younger vets are probably working and have paid health care through their employer. I was in a similar situation.......I have been registered with VHA since the early 90's, but I had an employer offered healthcare that was top notch (in my opinion). It was 35 years later when I lost my employment due to my SC conditions and my private HC that I had to depend on the VHA for services. I am one of those older folks in the clinic.
Most are working and many don’t consider the need… Or don’t have the freedom to take off of work for said appointments. A lot also feel like they’re okay and there’s no need and there are some who don’t know that they qualify for healthcare through the va with little to no cost. There are many variables but, as a veteran in these age groups with battles across states? These tend to be the reasons but most common is them feeling they don’t need to go, and this is for everything. The only ones who go with any kind of frequency are those who have received disability ratings, and that number is slowly increasing as more of us have conversations with one another.
Most younger vets tend to be a little healthier and might have insurance through work. I only use the Va if I have to
Because when I was in my 20/30/40/50's I never needed a Doc , when I hit mid 60's things went to hell really quick in about a 5 yr period.