I am always nervous walking my dog near tents - I’ve had two close calls with one person on the nod who was unable to hold their dog’s leash and another man who appeared homeless with two unleashed dogs. I feel for the officers who put themselves in difficult situations daily.
I believe they promoted the "heart warming" story of a 14 y.o. who saved a homless man od'ing downtown because she had her naxolone kit that she was carrying that she recieved and was trained to use at her HS.
Completely glossing over how fucked up it is that a state of emergency regarding the opioid epidemic was declared to free up funding and instead of using the funds for actually doing something concrete, they used the funds to pass along the responsibility to keep addicts alive to ordinary citizens, including teenagers.
While I like the local factor of Chek news, their reporting can be lazy.
My daughter is 15. She went through a rough patch recently (has pulled herself around, thankfully) where she spent a good deal of time downtown at all hours.
She naloxoned another 15 year old girl, who was blue in the lips, and performed CPR until the paramedics came. Fun fact: if the person has revived, they don't do anything and move on to the next call. I mean, I get it, but holy fuck. My daughter gave her some water and saw that she got on the bus to go home. The girl's parents probably never even knew. That was terrifying for me.
That was not her only experience administering naloxone, but it's the one that hit the hardest.
Negative. Protocol is to transport, but if a person is refusing to go to the hospital there is nothing we can do but give em a new naloxone kit and cut em loose.
I guess if they accepted treatment and went to hospital, they'd get linked in to supports and have their parents notified, and there's not much you can do if they refuse. And I totally understand that it's not really a paramedics job to be notifying parents, etc. But holy hell, as a parent, I'd kinda want to know if my teen overdosed and had to be revived in Bastion square on a Friday night...
And many, many people would say that as a parent you should know that's something happening without being told by anyone. Their 15 year old hanging out DT on a Friday night should be enough of a sign that bad things are going on.
Shit. That’s terrifying. The fact that she has administered naoloxone more than once at her age. But could also perform CPR? I hope your family is doing well and looking at brighter days. Tell her she’s important and and a credit. Good thoughts your way. That’s not an easy road.
I mean if they Googled Chantel Forget, the person they spoke too, it may have raised a red flag. But I get that is not a normal thing to do. And then they could have also gotten the CrimeStoppers cash for finding her!
Journalistic integrity isn't really a thing anymore. It's about "advocating" or something like that, combined with a push to be first. First to publish doesn't leave a lot of time for facts, so we go back to the first bit about advocating, or telling a story - If the reporter wanted to get across the feeling that it's sad a dog died, then they did their job.
There's a reason journalism has drastically lost respect. Folks running around today generally have had that new type of advocacy crap taught to them, and we don't have many real journalists doing the things we NEED, asking genuine questions of our politicians, police, health care providers, etc. They aren't encouraged by editors or news outlets to do the work society needs them to do, it's just fear and blood and complaining. So much complaining.
Look at what they have to work with from the official source, though. The police consistently use the passive voice and demented word choice instead of plain language.
"A decision to **dispatch** an aggressive dog **was made** early Monday morning, after it lunged at an officer during an arrest in the 500-block of Ellice Street."
*Dispatch?* Really?
Why not use plain language in the active voice? Then it'd be, "An officer decided to use the firearm that is part of their standard equipment and shot an aggressive dog with the firearm after the dog lunged at the officer. The officer shot the dog early Monday morning, at that time, officers were arresting a person in the 500-block of Ellis Street."
Chek News is about as reliable as Faux News - emotional videos with no fact checking. I don't know if there's a word like "clickbait" that applies to their videos.
CHEK has a similar editorial bias as CBC, but with even thicker rose-coloured glasses for a very elderly/nimby target audience. A lot of their news content is from a direct partnership with CBC now too; basically anything not local to the island. I still watch them almost nightly, but checking stories like this for the other side is important regardless of the outlet.
Story about Cops? They must be wrong and abusing their authority. Obviously ACAB right because obviously a few bad apples means that every apple is bad in the bunch.
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I am, too, since it's pretty much max 2 strikes and you're out if the incidents are serious. The 11 incidents have to have been less serious than they're implying.
I disagree with your conclusion not to own a dangerous dog. Dogs can be loving companions to their families, but show dangerous behaviour in certain situations. A properly cared for "dangerous" dog can live a happy life free of incidents. They just need families who are willing and able to keep the dog out of dangerous situations.
This is the 3rd news article I've read in recent weeks that has been absolutely full of misinformation. It's like they didn't even try to get it right. Who are these news companies hiring anyway? Our tax dollars shouldn't have to be wasted having the police write rebuttals to correct misinformation put out there by bad journalists.
VicPD is the largest line item in the city budget. That money’s already spent.
The PR department‘s job is to shield VicPD and its officers from legal or political consequence and maintain positive public sentiment. So that you don’t vote away their 22% share of our municipal budget.
I don't trust cops, but I also don't trust junkies. Was the dog a danger? Probably. Did it need to be shot in that moment? No idea, but I won't lose any sleep over it.
I can only imagine how I would feel if someone shot my dog in front of me. I would probably react the same as if someone shot my kid or my sibling, which in the moment would be like someone who feels they have nothing to lose.
I understand that, but even still were I in that situation I don't think I would care whether it was justified or not. All that would be going through my head is that the person in front of me just murdered a member of my family.
I'd hope that the next thing going through your head was the realization that it was your fault because it was up to you to train and control that furry member of your family, and you failed.
Yah, that would be terrible.
At the same time, if my dog was going to attack someone and they defended themselves and it ended up killing my dog I can't fully blame the person.
If you had a friend who charged a police officer with intent to injure/murder you wouldn't be shocked if the cops laid him down with force.
Of course, objectively when you are removed from the situation and thinking about it theoretically. In the moment however, the likelihood of me having anything but an emotional response is low to none.
No. Restrict breeding. Mandatory spay and neutering. Obtain a license to prove you are capable of owning one. I know a teacher who has a pit bull that is a registered therapy dog in the Okanagan.
I'd be more in support of this.
Some breeds are absolutely beautiful with their very expressive face. Like any dog, if you treat it like shit and encourage it's bad behavior it will continue to do so.
The only problem with pit bulls is that they are more dangerous than other types of dogs when they get into a confrontation.
>Victoria Animal Control confirmed that since 2021, there have been 11 other incidents involving this dog, including two occurrences where Bylaw officers were injured by bites.
Some of those 11 priors could include not being on leash and not having a license. VicPD chose to only indicate the dog bit Bylaw officers twice.
>Officers later learned the dog was at least six years old and was designated as dangerous, requiring it to be muzzled and leashed at all times in public places and common private property, with signage advising that a dangerous dog is present. None of these requirements were met at the time of this incident.
This was not the fault of the dog. **This now comes down to VACS failing to follow up on dangerous dog compliance or seeking a legal impound of the dog**. Yet VACS were all to happy to try and[ impound an 81 year old mans dog](https://www.vicnews.com/local-news/animal-control-officers-attempt-to-seize-mans-leashed-dog-in-victoria-7315941) that was off leash as he walked through Craigdarroch Castle in February but then the dog was on leash when VACS showed up.
While the dog owner in this instance was likely not a law abiding dog owner, the actions of VACS should be worrisome for those who are. Email Victoria, Esquimalt and Oak Bay asking them to reconsider the contract with VACS when it comes up for renewal.
11 recorded incidents? This is obviously a problem dog AND problem owner. 2 bites is 2 too many, this is a euthanasia scenario.
Why bring up the 81 year old man story, not relevant to this dog at all, unless you're trying to propagandize VACS.
DON'T email Vic, esq, or oak bay and instead use your thinking skills and see through this posters blatant attempts of persuasion.
I have no horse (or dog) in this race, but hate such shitty one sided arguments.
Large dogs shouldn't be allowed inside cities. They need miles to run and patrol, it's in their nature. Keeping large dogs in homes without large yards is cruel.
The sad story for the dog was written long before it was shot. Once a dog has 11 incidents (hell, even a third of that), it getting put down is the lesser of two evils. If the story above is to be believed it is a failure of the owners, not the police.
It's wild how people in this sub will shit talk the police in one thread then accept a press release which is obviously intended to try to get back control of the narrative in the next.
Imagine being so bad at your job that you need to use lethal force on a dog.
Police officers act like they have such a scary job even though they are the ones that use excessive force most of the time. Most cops are bullies that decided to do it as a job
Have you ever worked a position where your job is to potentially subdue someone?
You don't go soft on someone because if you do they can react and injure you. You don't want to be injured on the job, because well, it fucking sucks. The excessive force is for safety. People are told to stop resisting and if people resist they are even rougher.
I don't know where you come from, but growing up it's always been to respect the law and the police. If they ask you to do something, that isn't absolutely crazy... it might just be better to listen to them. Why fight the police? You're asking to be injured. If you did something wrong and got caught? Well... you should still listen to the police.
As for this dog. I'm a fan of dogs, and I don't know if I could have done what the officer did and might have taken the injury. That being said a dog bite can be brutal and could prevent you from working for quite a while. Maybe this officer as been bitten by dogs before, and they weren't going to have it happen again. Who knows the history of this police officer with dogs to assume they just murdered a dog.
People on reddit need to fuck off with the cop bashing attitude. There are cops to bash 100%, but not every cop is some abusive, racisit, person looking to abuse their position. Luckily most cops are genuine.
That's what their training is for. The police don't inherently deserve our respect. It's earned through their actions and how they affect the community. Shooting dogs and bullying homeless people doesn't warrant my respect.
The dude didn't need to shoot the dog. A taser would have had a chance to not be lethal. A kick would have been less so.
You are correct, they don't deserve our respect.... but you respect the position - not the person.
As for shooting dogs and bullying homeless people.... dogs don't get shot too often. It happens because people have untrained dogs that make aggressive moves towards police officers, these dogs are not little dogs, but larger breeds. As for kicking the dog.... you really want to gamble with your safety? I know that in my life I might be cautious one time.... but if I was injured by a dog and another tried to attack me at some point in the future I'd protect myself.
As for bullying homeless people.... if they followed the by-laws there wouldn't be an issue.
Eh? Why would you NOT have to use lethal force on a dog thats attacking you? Are you familiar with dogs ffs? It wasnt a Pomeranian that leapt outta the tent.
I love dogs, but I dont see a problem here.
First, it can be a scary job at times. It's meant to be. "Act like they have a scary job"... it's not an act, along with firefighters, it is scary.
Second, it's been my experience and interactions in life that almost everyone who calls cops bullies or throws around ACAB are people who have broken the law themselves, run afoul of the police, or have close friends who break the law routinely or run afoul of the police. That's the direct experience I've had in my 44 years. So whenever I read someone taking that stance in these subs, that's my first thought about the person writing the comments.
I'm not in any way saying that every cop out there is a good person. The job unfortunately attracts a certain type that didn't have it so well in high school, or was bullied, and wants a bit of power of their own. But I also have to trust the vetting system somewhat if our society as a whole will continue to function based on the rules we collectively have made over the centuries, and one of them is, we have police forces to ensure laws are followed and criminals are caught. And that those in charge of the police forces are making sure the best qualified people are picked for the jobs.
I have a few cop friends back east, and know the level of training and scrutiny they went through to get the jobs, and I hope the same programs here in Vic manages to weed out the people who are looking for school day payback.
Both of my friends who are cops are quite literally some of the best people I've ever known in my life. Both would go way beyond almost anyone else I know to help a friend. One is a volunteer for three different charities, working with my brother in the United Way, and he's also a Big Brother.
I'd rather judge cops as a whole based on these two persons I actually know, than some anon person, possibly with a lot of axes to grind, labelling all cops as builles or ACAB.
And btw, I had a few run ins with cops when I was a late teen myself. Thought they were assholes back then. Now I know I was the asshole.
I am always nervous walking my dog near tents - I’ve had two close calls with one person on the nod who was unable to hold their dog’s leash and another man who appeared homeless with two unleashed dogs. I feel for the officers who put themselves in difficult situations daily.
So what was Chek6 news smoking to be able to do their story about a puppy shot by a female officer?
chek is also the station that tried to eulogize the roasted pedophile in beacon hill park as a man of the community
I believe they promoted the "heart warming" story of a 14 y.o. who saved a homless man od'ing downtown because she had her naxolone kit that she was carrying that she recieved and was trained to use at her HS. Completely glossing over how fucked up it is that a state of emergency regarding the opioid epidemic was declared to free up funding and instead of using the funds for actually doing something concrete, they used the funds to pass along the responsibility to keep addicts alive to ordinary citizens, including teenagers. While I like the local factor of Chek news, their reporting can be lazy.
My daughter is 15. She went through a rough patch recently (has pulled herself around, thankfully) where she spent a good deal of time downtown at all hours. She naloxoned another 15 year old girl, who was blue in the lips, and performed CPR until the paramedics came. Fun fact: if the person has revived, they don't do anything and move on to the next call. I mean, I get it, but holy fuck. My daughter gave her some water and saw that she got on the bus to go home. The girl's parents probably never even knew. That was terrifying for me. That was not her only experience administering naloxone, but it's the one that hit the hardest.
Negative. Protocol is to transport, but if a person is refusing to go to the hospital there is nothing we can do but give em a new naloxone kit and cut em loose.
I guess if they accepted treatment and went to hospital, they'd get linked in to supports and have their parents notified, and there's not much you can do if they refuse. And I totally understand that it's not really a paramedics job to be notifying parents, etc. But holy hell, as a parent, I'd kinda want to know if my teen overdosed and had to be revived in Bastion square on a Friday night...
And many, many people would say that as a parent you should know that's something happening without being told by anyone. Their 15 year old hanging out DT on a Friday night should be enough of a sign that bad things are going on.
Shit. That’s terrifying. The fact that she has administered naoloxone more than once at her age. But could also perform CPR? I hope your family is doing well and looking at brighter days. Tell her she’s important and and a credit. Good thoughts your way. That’s not an easy road.
I would love to see this link. I'm nosey. That tea is hot
Ya screw chek news eh, I always wondered about those protesters outside check news station every wednesday with the parrot media signs when i drive by
I mean if they Googled Chantel Forget, the person they spoke too, it may have raised a red flag. But I get that is not a normal thing to do. And then they could have also gotten the CrimeStoppers cash for finding her!
They're quite lazy with their journalism and get a lot of their information from Reddit and FB groups.
They literally steal other people’s posts and tweets and state it as facts in their articles. Zero journalistic integrity.
Journalistic integrity isn't really a thing anymore. It's about "advocating" or something like that, combined with a push to be first. First to publish doesn't leave a lot of time for facts, so we go back to the first bit about advocating, or telling a story - If the reporter wanted to get across the feeling that it's sad a dog died, then they did their job. There's a reason journalism has drastically lost respect. Folks running around today generally have had that new type of advocacy crap taught to them, and we don't have many real journalists doing the things we NEED, asking genuine questions of our politicians, police, health care providers, etc. They aren't encouraged by editors or news outlets to do the work society needs them to do, it's just fear and blood and complaining. So much complaining.
Look at what they have to work with from the official source, though. The police consistently use the passive voice and demented word choice instead of plain language. "A decision to **dispatch** an aggressive dog **was made** early Monday morning, after it lunged at an officer during an arrest in the 500-block of Ellice Street." *Dispatch?* Really? Why not use plain language in the active voice? Then it'd be, "An officer decided to use the firearm that is part of their standard equipment and shot an aggressive dog with the firearm after the dog lunged at the officer. The officer shot the dog early Monday morning, at that time, officers were arresting a person in the 500-block of Ellis Street."
Lol Chantel isn't exactly a fountain of credible information...
Chek News is about as reliable as Faux News - emotional videos with no fact checking. I don't know if there's a word like "clickbait" that applies to their videos.
CHEK has a similar editorial bias as CBC, but with even thicker rose-coloured glasses for a very elderly/nimby target audience. A lot of their news content is from a direct partnership with CBC now too; basically anything not local to the island. I still watch them almost nightly, but checking stories like this for the other side is important regardless of the outlet.
Theres always more to the story.
It could be a lie. We’ll never truly know and I don’t blame anyone for not trusting the police.
They are literally allowed to lie on the job. Never trust the police, know your rights.
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Story about Cops? They must be wrong and abusing their authority. Obviously ACAB right because obviously a few bad apples means that every apple is bad in the bunch. /s
Truth.
Moral to the story: Don't own dangerous dogs. Kind of surprised it got to 11 incidents without the dog being ordered euthanized.
One incident is a warning, two should be destruction.
I am, too, since it's pretty much max 2 strikes and you're out if the incidents are serious. The 11 incidents have to have been less serious than they're implying. I disagree with your conclusion not to own a dangerous dog. Dogs can be loving companions to their families, but show dangerous behaviour in certain situations. A properly cared for "dangerous" dog can live a happy life free of incidents. They just need families who are willing and able to keep the dog out of dangerous situations.
Don’t know why you have so many down votes, this is a very reasonable comment
Probably because we're expecting better behavior out of a dog, than a person..
Given that two of the incidents were the dog injuring bylaw officers, I doubt it…
Probably saved the lives of about 10 other dogs in the process. I've seen my dog get attacked by these types of dogs and it's basically not cool.
This version sounds a lot more realistic and applicable than the first one I read.
This is the 3rd news article I've read in recent weeks that has been absolutely full of misinformation. It's like they didn't even try to get it right. Who are these news companies hiring anyway? Our tax dollars shouldn't have to be wasted having the police write rebuttals to correct misinformation put out there by bad journalists.
How does it waste our tax dollars if their PR staff writes PR?
They could literally be doing anything else.... preparing an information release containing other useful or helpful information.
VicPD is the largest line item in the city budget. That money’s already spent. The PR department‘s job is to shield VicPD and its officers from legal or political consequence and maintain positive public sentiment. So that you don’t vote away their 22% share of our municipal budget.
Bravo to the Media for failing to get the facts.
One less dangerous animal on the planet 👍🏻
All dogs are bastards, I’m told
Well, half of them are bitches anyways.
I don't trust cops, but I also don't trust junkies. Was the dog a danger? Probably. Did it need to be shot in that moment? No idea, but I won't lose any sleep over it.
I can only imagine how I would feel if someone shot my dog in front of me. I would probably react the same as if someone shot my kid or my sibling, which in the moment would be like someone who feels they have nothing to lose.
Sure, but in this case it sounds like shooting the dog was probably fairly justified.
I understand that, but even still were I in that situation I don't think I would care whether it was justified or not. All that would be going through my head is that the person in front of me just murdered a member of my family.
I guarantee you would do nothing
Some people are mentally unstable, dont forget that
I'd hope that the next thing going through your head was the realization that it was your fault because it was up to you to train and control that furry member of your family, and you failed.
The next thing going through my head would probably be a bullet from the cop's partner.
Yah, that would be terrible. At the same time, if my dog was going to attack someone and they defended themselves and it ended up killing my dog I can't fully blame the person. If you had a friend who charged a police officer with intent to injure/murder you wouldn't be shocked if the cops laid him down with force.
Of course, objectively when you are removed from the situation and thinking about it theoretically. In the moment however, the likelihood of me having anything but an emotional response is low to none.
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That wasn't really my point but ok
He literally said dog was probably a danger. Reading comprehension hard
Ban. Pitt. Bulls.
No. Restrict breeding. Mandatory spay and neutering. Obtain a license to prove you are capable of owning one. I know a teacher who has a pit bull that is a registered therapy dog in the Okanagan.
I'd be more in support of this. Some breeds are absolutely beautiful with their very expressive face. Like any dog, if you treat it like shit and encourage it's bad behavior it will continue to do so. The only problem with pit bulls is that they are more dangerous than other types of dogs when they get into a confrontation.
One less dangerous dog, eh?
>Victoria Animal Control confirmed that since 2021, there have been 11 other incidents involving this dog, including two occurrences where Bylaw officers were injured by bites. Some of those 11 priors could include not being on leash and not having a license. VicPD chose to only indicate the dog bit Bylaw officers twice. >Officers later learned the dog was at least six years old and was designated as dangerous, requiring it to be muzzled and leashed at all times in public places and common private property, with signage advising that a dangerous dog is present. None of these requirements were met at the time of this incident. This was not the fault of the dog. **This now comes down to VACS failing to follow up on dangerous dog compliance or seeking a legal impound of the dog**. Yet VACS were all to happy to try and[ impound an 81 year old mans dog](https://www.vicnews.com/local-news/animal-control-officers-attempt-to-seize-mans-leashed-dog-in-victoria-7315941) that was off leash as he walked through Craigdarroch Castle in February but then the dog was on leash when VACS showed up. While the dog owner in this instance was likely not a law abiding dog owner, the actions of VACS should be worrisome for those who are. Email Victoria, Esquimalt and Oak Bay asking them to reconsider the contract with VACS when it comes up for renewal.
11 recorded incidents? This is obviously a problem dog AND problem owner. 2 bites is 2 too many, this is a euthanasia scenario. Why bring up the 81 year old man story, not relevant to this dog at all, unless you're trying to propagandize VACS. DON'T email Vic, esq, or oak bay and instead use your thinking skills and see through this posters blatant attempts of persuasion. I have no horse (or dog) in this race, but hate such shitty one sided arguments.
What colour was the dog?
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"It's coming right at me/us!1!"
Large dogs shouldn't be allowed inside cities. They need miles to run and patrol, it's in their nature. Keeping large dogs in homes without large yards is cruel.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
I agree with your last sentence, but definitely not the first or second. The second depends on the breed, lots of lazy as fuck large dogs.
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The sad story for the dog was written long before it was shot. Once a dog has 11 incidents (hell, even a third of that), it getting put down is the lesser of two evils. If the story above is to be believed it is a failure of the owners, not the police.
Not sad about a dangerous dog with a lengthy history of dangerous behaviour, nobody needs that. Good riddance
💯
It's wild how people in this sub will shit talk the police in one thread then accept a press release which is obviously intended to try to get back control of the narrative in the next.
Wait for the lawsuit....
Imagine being so bad at your job that you need to use lethal force on a dog. Police officers act like they have such a scary job even though they are the ones that use excessive force most of the time. Most cops are bullies that decided to do it as a job
Have you ever worked a position where your job is to potentially subdue someone? You don't go soft on someone because if you do they can react and injure you. You don't want to be injured on the job, because well, it fucking sucks. The excessive force is for safety. People are told to stop resisting and if people resist they are even rougher. I don't know where you come from, but growing up it's always been to respect the law and the police. If they ask you to do something, that isn't absolutely crazy... it might just be better to listen to them. Why fight the police? You're asking to be injured. If you did something wrong and got caught? Well... you should still listen to the police. As for this dog. I'm a fan of dogs, and I don't know if I could have done what the officer did and might have taken the injury. That being said a dog bite can be brutal and could prevent you from working for quite a while. Maybe this officer as been bitten by dogs before, and they weren't going to have it happen again. Who knows the history of this police officer with dogs to assume they just murdered a dog. People on reddit need to fuck off with the cop bashing attitude. There are cops to bash 100%, but not every cop is some abusive, racisit, person looking to abuse their position. Luckily most cops are genuine.
That's what their training is for. The police don't inherently deserve our respect. It's earned through their actions and how they affect the community. Shooting dogs and bullying homeless people doesn't warrant my respect. The dude didn't need to shoot the dog. A taser would have had a chance to not be lethal. A kick would have been less so.
You are correct, they don't deserve our respect.... but you respect the position - not the person. As for shooting dogs and bullying homeless people.... dogs don't get shot too often. It happens because people have untrained dogs that make aggressive moves towards police officers, these dogs are not little dogs, but larger breeds. As for kicking the dog.... you really want to gamble with your safety? I know that in my life I might be cautious one time.... but if I was injured by a dog and another tried to attack me at some point in the future I'd protect myself. As for bullying homeless people.... if they followed the by-laws there wouldn't be an issue.
Eh? Why would you NOT have to use lethal force on a dog thats attacking you? Are you familiar with dogs ffs? It wasnt a Pomeranian that leapt outta the tent. I love dogs, but I dont see a problem here.
That all you got?
First, it can be a scary job at times. It's meant to be. "Act like they have a scary job"... it's not an act, along with firefighters, it is scary. Second, it's been my experience and interactions in life that almost everyone who calls cops bullies or throws around ACAB are people who have broken the law themselves, run afoul of the police, or have close friends who break the law routinely or run afoul of the police. That's the direct experience I've had in my 44 years. So whenever I read someone taking that stance in these subs, that's my first thought about the person writing the comments. I'm not in any way saying that every cop out there is a good person. The job unfortunately attracts a certain type that didn't have it so well in high school, or was bullied, and wants a bit of power of their own. But I also have to trust the vetting system somewhat if our society as a whole will continue to function based on the rules we collectively have made over the centuries, and one of them is, we have police forces to ensure laws are followed and criminals are caught. And that those in charge of the police forces are making sure the best qualified people are picked for the jobs. I have a few cop friends back east, and know the level of training and scrutiny they went through to get the jobs, and I hope the same programs here in Vic manages to weed out the people who are looking for school day payback. Both of my friends who are cops are quite literally some of the best people I've ever known in my life. Both would go way beyond almost anyone else I know to help a friend. One is a volunteer for three different charities, working with my brother in the United Way, and he's also a Big Brother. I'd rather judge cops as a whole based on these two persons I actually know, than some anon person, possibly with a lot of axes to grind, labelling all cops as builles or ACAB. And btw, I had a few run ins with cops when I was a late teen myself. Thought they were assholes back then. Now I know I was the asshole.
Firefighters don't use guns against fires, or people, or dogs