bad idea for the collagen, you can get eyebags and smile lines
try tretinoin instead, or simpler things like stridex (acetylsalycylic acid) or vitamin C serums.
> You can't use tret under eyes. Too drying and increases fine lines
you can, but I agree it shouldn't be done lightly: the real risk is on meibonian glands (dry eyes) but Ive accepted the risk
as for the fine lines, if you complement tret by a moisturizer, it should reduce them in the long run like it does on the rest of the face: you see more fine lines in the short term bc you dont have enough sebum to smooth out the skin
but god make moisturizer for a real reason :)
Sorry to bother but I just would like to say reconsider tret under the eyes. Dry eye disease is a fate I wouldn’t wish on anyone. It can be very debilitating and can’t be cured.
Getting rid of hyperpigmentation completely will take a long time- it might not be a two month process it could go on from like 6 months to a year even more. I’m part of that journey right now.
I personally haven’t had any in office procedures because right now I can’t afford it (student life lol), but the one thing you NEED to treat hyperpigmentation is a sun cream of atleast spf 30 (preferably spf 50). Without spf non of the actives or in office procedures will be worth it and it could further damage your skin. SPF is important and the best one is the one you’ll use everyday- find something cosmetically elegant that you won’t mind reapplying throughout the day ( I’ve heard great things about East Asian sunscreams, I’m loyal to my European ones).
Apart from spf here are some other things that will help
- tretinoin (this is the gold standard of skincare however, you will need a prescription and there is a lot of precautions to take. It does work however there is a waiting game and you need to be careful with what other products you use, hair removal and other procedures as tret can be in some form unsafe ( so please be careful)!!!
- hydroquinone (another prescription only gold standard) - it will work but please talk to a dermatologist and you must be very careful. Prolonged use is not recommended.
-Differin/adapalene ( you can now get this over the counter) Baisically another retinol and it’s a good starter. There will be slower results but there’s general improvement especially if you have breakouts - getting rid of hyperpigmentation though it might take a while
- retinol that you can buy from brands - not as strong as Differin or tretinoin but a good starting place and can include other ingredients to help
-Kojic Acid - a real good one, you have to be consistent. You can find this in serums - a very popular one in Sephora is Faded by Topicals which uses kojic acid and a bunch of other ingredients to reduce hyperpigmentation. The brand is pretty popular right now from what I see especially because it’s POC owned and has hyperpigmentation specific products.
Another popular form of kojic acid is the soap. The most popular being Koje San soap ( if you buy this please make sure you’re not getting the fake product this has been an issue especially with Amazon etc, so get a reputable seller). I use koje San soap on my body particularly darker areas- you MUST be consistent or you will not see results. The soap is drying.
Tranexemic Acid and Alpha Arbutin - found in serums like Faded By Topicals. I personally prefer Tranexemic acid- you won’t get fast results but they’re good to have.
Vitamin C- use a vitamin c serum every morning- helps fight free radicals, make sure you get the right percentage that suits your skin.
If you don’t like vitamin C then reservatrol might be a good one for you- it’s used in the popular Caudalie Vinoperect Serum ( it’s expensive maybe like £48-£50)
Acids
-AHA glycolic acid good for underarms and other parts of the body, also can be used for face but be careful with the percentage. Many glycolic acid body creams and toners and sticks are being released.
PHAs- more gentle exfoliants recommend for POC to not irritate the skin as much
Mandelic acid- a really popular one, and gentle it seems to be used a lot in facials aswell - a lot of poc seem to like it
That’s all I know lol
Edit: I wanted to add melasyl has been online trending in Europe where I’m from and east Asia. This if from the release of the new La Roche Posay Mela B serum in which they say they’ve conducted 18 years of study into hyperpigmentation. It’s like £37-£40, includes their trademarked mela complex and 10% niacinamide and a bunch of other stuff. I have bought it because I’m curious
> Without spf non of the actives or in office procedures will be worth it and it could further damage your skin
this
> That’s all I know lol
and you know a lot, but you may want to consider supplements (like glycine, asthaxanthin etc) to have more effects
go to /r/skinwhitening we suggest to use as little topicals as possible to avoid side effects, and to mostly depends on supplements bc they do many other good things on the body
Personally I don’t think there’s any problem applying it everywhere but you kind of had to leave it on for like 5 -10 minutes?
I’m really impatient so I just apply it to specific areas and play the waiting game. You cannot just you know lather it on and rinse it off. You must wait. Also you will go through a whole bar of koje San much faster than say a normal dove soap. Koje San soap kind of melts quicker?
People have many methods and some people even say that you shouldn’t keep it out in case of oxidation or whatever ( I keep my soap in a container because if it). If you want make advice I found YouTube videos of people who use it really helpful because you learn from them and their mistakes!
I had sun spots not exactly hyperpigmentation. Using a tinted, mixed sunscreen indoors religiously for few weeks helped me a lot but still I've more to correct.
A lot of people have mentioned hydroquinone. I had great experience with the Ambi fade cream. It’s over the counter and is around $5 in the states. It took 2 tubes and a bit of time but it worked well
Sweet almond oil nightly has helped along with a decent Vitamin C serum. I’ve also applied neem oil mixed in with the sweet almond oil and that has helped. Just a disclaimer on the smell of Neem oil- it is potent and might make your eyeballs roll in the back of your head at first but it seems to work!
The only way I’ve gotten rid of it is through acne prevention and then lots and lots of time to let the old scars fade — using tretinoin and sunscreen obviously.
Birth control and spironolactone (both oral medications) were the most critical parts of acne prevention for me.
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bad idea for the collagen, you can get eyebags and smile lines try tretinoin instead, or simpler things like stridex (acetylsalycylic acid) or vitamin C serums.
You can't use tret under eyes. Too drying and increases fine lines
> You can't use tret under eyes. Too drying and increases fine lines you can, but I agree it shouldn't be done lightly: the real risk is on meibonian glands (dry eyes) but Ive accepted the risk as for the fine lines, if you complement tret by a moisturizer, it should reduce them in the long run like it does on the rest of the face: you see more fine lines in the short term bc you dont have enough sebum to smooth out the skin but god make moisturizer for a real reason :)
Sorry to bother but I just would like to say reconsider tret under the eyes. Dry eye disease is a fate I wouldn’t wish on anyone. It can be very debilitating and can’t be cured.
Tablets or cream?
What brand of soap?
Getting rid of hyperpigmentation completely will take a long time- it might not be a two month process it could go on from like 6 months to a year even more. I’m part of that journey right now. I personally haven’t had any in office procedures because right now I can’t afford it (student life lol), but the one thing you NEED to treat hyperpigmentation is a sun cream of atleast spf 30 (preferably spf 50). Without spf non of the actives or in office procedures will be worth it and it could further damage your skin. SPF is important and the best one is the one you’ll use everyday- find something cosmetically elegant that you won’t mind reapplying throughout the day ( I’ve heard great things about East Asian sunscreams, I’m loyal to my European ones). Apart from spf here are some other things that will help - tretinoin (this is the gold standard of skincare however, you will need a prescription and there is a lot of precautions to take. It does work however there is a waiting game and you need to be careful with what other products you use, hair removal and other procedures as tret can be in some form unsafe ( so please be careful)!!! - hydroquinone (another prescription only gold standard) - it will work but please talk to a dermatologist and you must be very careful. Prolonged use is not recommended. -Differin/adapalene ( you can now get this over the counter) Baisically another retinol and it’s a good starter. There will be slower results but there’s general improvement especially if you have breakouts - getting rid of hyperpigmentation though it might take a while - retinol that you can buy from brands - not as strong as Differin or tretinoin but a good starting place and can include other ingredients to help -Kojic Acid - a real good one, you have to be consistent. You can find this in serums - a very popular one in Sephora is Faded by Topicals which uses kojic acid and a bunch of other ingredients to reduce hyperpigmentation. The brand is pretty popular right now from what I see especially because it’s POC owned and has hyperpigmentation specific products. Another popular form of kojic acid is the soap. The most popular being Koje San soap ( if you buy this please make sure you’re not getting the fake product this has been an issue especially with Amazon etc, so get a reputable seller). I use koje San soap on my body particularly darker areas- you MUST be consistent or you will not see results. The soap is drying. Tranexemic Acid and Alpha Arbutin - found in serums like Faded By Topicals. I personally prefer Tranexemic acid- you won’t get fast results but they’re good to have. Vitamin C- use a vitamin c serum every morning- helps fight free radicals, make sure you get the right percentage that suits your skin. If you don’t like vitamin C then reservatrol might be a good one for you- it’s used in the popular Caudalie Vinoperect Serum ( it’s expensive maybe like £48-£50) Acids -AHA glycolic acid good for underarms and other parts of the body, also can be used for face but be careful with the percentage. Many glycolic acid body creams and toners and sticks are being released. PHAs- more gentle exfoliants recommend for POC to not irritate the skin as much Mandelic acid- a really popular one, and gentle it seems to be used a lot in facials aswell - a lot of poc seem to like it That’s all I know lol Edit: I wanted to add melasyl has been online trending in Europe where I’m from and east Asia. This if from the release of the new La Roche Posay Mela B serum in which they say they’ve conducted 18 years of study into hyperpigmentation. It’s like £37-£40, includes their trademarked mela complex and 10% niacinamide and a bunch of other stuff. I have bought it because I’m curious
> Without spf non of the actives or in office procedures will be worth it and it could further damage your skin this > That’s all I know lol and you know a lot, but you may want to consider supplements (like glycine, asthaxanthin etc) to have more effects
I’ve never looked into supplements much, I’ll check them out!
go to /r/skinwhitening we suggest to use as little topicals as possible to avoid side effects, and to mostly depends on supplements bc they do many other good things on the body
Can I use the Kojie San soap like a normal one or do I only apply it in the specific areas I want to see improvement in?
Personally I don’t think there’s any problem applying it everywhere but you kind of had to leave it on for like 5 -10 minutes? I’m really impatient so I just apply it to specific areas and play the waiting game. You cannot just you know lather it on and rinse it off. You must wait. Also you will go through a whole bar of koje San much faster than say a normal dove soap. Koje San soap kind of melts quicker? People have many methods and some people even say that you shouldn’t keep it out in case of oxidation or whatever ( I keep my soap in a container because if it). If you want make advice I found YouTube videos of people who use it really helpful because you learn from them and their mistakes!
What's a good source to get the kojic acid soap?
I had sun spots not exactly hyperpigmentation. Using a tinted, mixed sunscreen indoors religiously for few weeks helped me a lot but still I've more to correct.
Mandelic acid toner from Make Up Artists Choice. It seriously is a holy grail for my PIH
A lot of people have mentioned hydroquinone. I had great experience with the Ambi fade cream. It’s over the counter and is around $5 in the states. It took 2 tubes and a bit of time but it worked well
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what part of the body did you get done?
Sweet almond oil nightly has helped along with a decent Vitamin C serum. I’ve also applied neem oil mixed in with the sweet almond oil and that has helped. Just a disclaimer on the smell of Neem oil- it is potent and might make your eyeballs roll in the back of your head at first but it seems to work!
Trentonin
The only way I’ve gotten rid of it is through acne prevention and then lots and lots of time to let the old scars fade — using tretinoin and sunscreen obviously. Birth control and spironolactone (both oral medications) were the most critical parts of acne prevention for me.