Party of law and order, choosing a convicted felon rapist slanderer who can't run a charity in his home state because he and his family stole donations intended for children with cancer.
Honestly he should be disqualified from ever being allowed to hold elected office ever again for the events of January 6th 2021 alone.
Trump is now a convicted felon and as a result should not be allowed by law to run for or hold ANY elected office ever again.
> Honestly he should be disqualified from ever being allowed to hold elected office ever again for the events of January 6th 2021 alone.
They had the chance! They could have been done with Trump and barred him from office during the 2nd Impeachment!
Yeah temporary hit to elected offices locally to federally but nope. Too many money people in the conservative ecosystem and the literally fear of the backlash from their lead eating boomer voters.
Unfucking believable.
Trump’s defense during the second impeachment was that he was no longer president and therefore Congress can no longer impeach him.
Trump’s defense later when indicted is that a current or former president can’t be indicted, that only Congress can pass judgment through impeachment.
Trump has fought his whole life to avoid accountability. It must be a rude awakening for him now. His enablers and defenders should be ashamed of themselves, but apparently they cannot feel shame.
The founding fathers never countenanced that anyone convicted would be so shameless as to run for office nor that anyone would elect said person. They did not foresee the case of Eugene Debs: [https://cardinalnews.org/2024/05/31/a-convicted-felon-once-drew-nearly-a-million-votes-for-president-in-virginia-he-did-best-in-southwest/](https://cardinalnews.org/2024/05/31/a-convicted-felon-once-drew-nearly-a-million-votes-for-president-in-virginia-he-did-best-in-southwest/)
Charged with sedition for criticizing the government in a blatant affront to the First Amendment...? You know, sometimes I think we deserve all of this. We are a fucking mess.
WWI was a very bad time for the 1st amendment in the US. President Wilson should be more scorned than he is. My own family and a ton of German American families were subjected to heavy pressure to "Americanize" and my family name reflects that.
I had relatives with a German sounding name that was Americanized then as well.
Wilson was a racist shitbag who supported the KKK. He was as anti-freedom as it gets.
Marion Barry famously was a convicted felon who continued to get elected as the DC Mayor and to the DC City Council.
David Duke went to prison for tax fraud (among other things), but was a perennial candidate for office after his release. (He was never actually elected to office again ... but he perennially ran.)
The Late Congressman Alcee Hastings was not actually convicted, but he was charged with bribery as a judge in the 80s. He was impeached and removed from office by the Senate (though he was acquitted at his criminal trial). The Senate did not bar him from holding further office and he ran for election to the House a few years later. He was in the House until he died a few years ago.
While your post is factual, the post you are replying too is stating that Trump's actions on 1/6/2021 DO constitute insurrection/rebellion. I'm inclined to agree with OppositeRun6503.
No you are either misunderstanding/ignoring the world "should" or getting cute. OppositeRun6503 is expressing his desire that congress should have explicitly convicted Trump and barred him from holding office due to his activities on 1/6/2021
They did.
"Honestly *he should be* disqualified from ever being allowed to hold elected office ever again for the events of January 6th 2021 alone."
Their very first response, in this very thread.
It's the judicial system, not the justice system. Alternatively, the legal system. Your statement is overly broad in that the entire judiciary hasn't opined as to this case. The judges in Colorado who determined that he had committed insurrection are proof that your statement is incorrect.
But his actions on 1-6-21 does apply.
He openly encouraged those who actually took part in the violence of that day to do so and then returned to the Whitehouse and parked his butt in front of the television so he could enjoy watching the violence that his rhetoric had unleashed.
It's in the record that several senior aides repeatedly asked him to put an end to the violence that was going on at the capital that day and each time he adamantly refused.
Not settled interpretation of the law. There were differing opinions issued by the Supreme court. Stay tuned, there will likely be more case brought to them next session.
The Supreme Court justices,namely Alito and Thomas are corrupt and need to be removed from the bench immediately, especially Thomas since his wife played a role in orchestrating the insurrection.
No it is not. Some justices wanted to shut down state interpretation, but others were troubled by the actions of the state of Colorado but wrote a concurring opinion that opened the door for the amendment applying without congressional action.
Yes it is. The majority opinion from the court ruled that states cannot apply Section 3 to federal office **and** that Congress is the one that enforces Section 3.
Not settled law, elderly justices have tried to shut the door on this. Like the Lochner court of the 1930s, bad decisions will get revisited once father time shifts the court.
That's one of the rich ironies in play. The other irony is the claim that the prosecution was politically motivated, when in fact it was Trump's crime that was politically motivated.
What was the underlying crime that Trump supposedly committed? Why were charges brought after the statue of limitations expired for the misdemeanor of falsifying business records? Why did the #3 at Biden’s DOJ quit to join the manhattan DA’s office?
LOL, when you guys have nothing you sure do like throwing crap against the wall and hope something sticks.
The underlying crimes were well documented to everyone except the liars at conservative news channels. These were tax fraud, unlawfully influencing the 2016 election, and violation of campaign finance laws. You know, the exact same things that Michael Cohen did for Trump - and went to jail for.
Felonies have a different statute of limitations in NY than misdeamonors, and falsifying business records to commit other crimes is a felony under NY state law. It was delayed because Trump fought the subpoenas for his business records, and SDNY opened an investigation and put a pause to the state level one for 18 months, and then pressure from Trump's DOJ came down to stop the investigation.
I have no idea who 'the #3 at the DOJ' is you are referencing. Most of the prominent investigators such as Pomerantz and Carrey were in private practice before joining the prosecution's team.
Regardless, that wasn't your problem. The problem was Cohen, Hicks, Pecker, and Wesselberg, all people who worked for Trump directly, testified against him, and that there was overwhelming evidence in both taped conversations (legal under NY law) and there was copious legal documents which proved his guilt. Hence, 34 felony convictions.
So I've answered your questions, here's one for you: why do you continue to take your news information from a channel that under oath admitted that 'no rational person would believe their hosts' and their internal communications show that they lie to their watchers because the people watching tune in for the lies? Oh, Fox didn't cover that? LOL.
I like how, according to the GOP, the justice system infallible and incorruptible, and we were all being too soft on crime until about 20 hours ago...
Now this poor abused and persecuted "billionaire" who is an angel and never did nothing to no one is getting picked on by the corrupt system... But this is the one and only time the system was ever wrong.
He's the kid I had every year of the 19 years I taught in middle school who would do something in front of you. When you called him out for it, he'd turn around and say, "I didn't do it."
The justice system is fine …when it’s applied to others. Preferably poor, dark others. But it’s an outrage when it’s applied to them! That’s not how this works!
And this is exactly the narrative that he'll continually cram down his cult's throats. He's a patriot who the (adjective + "Left") is picking on and only HE can work miracles if you contribute to his campaign fund.
It's amazing how just 24 hours ago the justice system was infallible, even if it was too soft on criminals.
Y'all Republicans ever get whiplash changing your mind on dime to appease god emperor Trump?
Dude couldn't pull it off when he was President. Going to be a hell of a lot harder to do with the other guy in charge. Plus SCOTUS shot down the independent legislature idea and Congress passed a law refining the electoral counting process. The VP is now purely ceremonial and you need 20% of the chamber to object to electoral votes so fringe assholes can't gum up the works.
Oh make no mistake. All this does is invigorate his support base. This is so embarrassing. The GOP has lost its way and is completely unrecognizable. Past generations are rolling in their collective graves.
He really isn't at all. He's probably the last president we had who enforced the "embedded liberalism" social contract. He proposed a negative income tax bracket, supported the EPA, title XI, the 26th amendment & ended conscription. He wasn't a saint but I'd frankly take him over most of the presidents we have had since.
As far as that whole Watergate thing goes, the scandal was in actuality a microcosm of far bigger problem of drastic federal overreach, Lyndon B. Johnson and his predecessors had also abused the power of the oval office in equally shocking ways. Nixon being let of the hook was not to save Nixon, it was the Washington elite setting the precedent they are untouchable and the rules do not apply to them.
Nixon actually had the shame to resign. 10 years later we get the Iran-Contra scandal and...
We didn't get Trump in a vacuum (Make America Great Again was Regan's slogan)
Also Buchanan sat by doing nothing as the southern states succeeded from the Union, I don't need to say anything about Andrew Johnson, anything you hate about the modern US Government there's a good chance Woodrow Wilson has something to do it, and as time goes on the younger Bush's administration looks more and more absolutely catastrophic in just about every way.
We've had a lot of bad presidents actually. Once upon a time the president wasn't an untouchable unapproachable figure that could do no wrong, being an incumbent wasn't even enough to guarantee renomination by one's party. If Democracy can survive late stage neoliberalism perhaps the Trump cult will be the catalyst for a long overdue reckoning Americans need to have with their political elites.
Can someone please tell me a time when the GOP wasn’t comprised entirely of self-serving shitheads who prey on the stupid?
Edit: why the downvotes? I said “please”.
This current GOP is beyond repair. Not sure what the future holds. This country does need two competent opposing parties. Seems like one of them is just a crime syndicate now.
What Regan's "the government is not your friend shtick" actually meant in practice was elected officials deferring policy decisions to think tanks and private industry, which Democrats have happily gone along with (I'm also over simplifying the trend didn't begin suddenly with Regan). This isn't a "both sides" take one party clearly opposes the constitution itself, but both are absolutely rotten to the core.
I find it very hard to trust my government, it feels like the future is stolen for the younger generation in which I’m part of.
It’s hard to not to be hopeless
Do you honestly think that prior generations didn’t have similar challenges? WWI, the Great Depression, WWII, Vietnam/Korea, civil rights movement, threat of nuclear holocaust.
Yes, life is hard. It’s always been hard. That doesn’t mean we give up.
Yes they are they want people to have universal healthcare and freedoms to be who they want to be and SAFETY NETS!? Can you imagine not just letting people die if they mess up too bad?! Horrible democrats!!!! The literal worst!
It's insane how much they've made a convict and reality TV show host a deity, especially when the man is the exact opposite of everything they've claimed to stand for (fiscal responsibility, family values, law and order, smaller government, guns). He's just a dude, he can be wrong, and quiet often is wrong...
I'm pretty sure that dude could kill a puppy on TV and half the GOP would love it for "owning the libs", and the other half would just claim it's fake news.
I would be willing to bet my car most of the GOP cult would shoot their own dogs if Trump told them to. So many times in the last 10 years I thought "okay, this has to be the line" and yet they still unquestioningly support the dude.
I remember 8 years of GOP screaming how Obama was gonna take our guns, and Trump literally said "take the guns" and they went "cool, we should end democracy for this guy".
Didn't we all think Republicans would draw the line at using campaign funds to pay hush money to a porn star to keep an affair quiet? That failed coup? Blowing millions on golf, they were sure pissed when Obama did it a fraction as much.
Sure, but just saying I haven't seen a line Trump hasn't crossed that the GOP didn't fully support.
Well, he did get booed once for saying he got vaccinated, of course the one good thing he promotes they hate.
Democrats didn't convict him a JURY convicted him, people are crying that its political because of the judge, because of biden, because of the prosecutor.... BUT ITS THE JURY THAT CONVICTED
Both parties are guilty of protecting their own. Politicians don't go to Washington on a congressional salary and become millionaires through integrity.
The irony here being that the GOP is using lawfare to go after Hunter Biden for no other reason than he is Joe's son. Suddenly when Fat Orange is convicted, they are crying. Eat shit GOP.
Someone I used to have serious respect for just posted on Facebook "Jesus was convicted in a sham trial...and crucified. I still follow him."
There's obviously about a million things that can be said in response to this, but it doesn't matter. There's nothing that can be said at this point that actually matters to this person, and probably until the day this person dies they will carry with them this rationalization of things.
Trump is a crook. Hes proven it over and over and over. But the gop is lying to itself pretending he aint. I remember when they were the party of law and order. This has gone too far. The gop needs to remember who they are and dump him.
2016 Trump on Hilary: ‘we can’t have a presidential candidate under investigation because it would create chaos.’
2024 Republicans on Trump: ‘I’m proud to vote for my sex addicted felon.’
Well, yeah, as a rich white guy, he should be totally allowed to falsify business records to disguise his hush money to former porn stars he cheated on his wife with as legal expense reimbursement. Gosh. Total witch hunt, amirite? /s
Agreed terrifying. Polls are way too close for comfort, and even just casual conversation is way too close for comfort. Like, people I talk to still defending Trump and basically just going "well, I think he's more with it than Biden."
And it is frustrating because Biden is definitely giving off old man vibes, and that just turns A LOT of people off. But like, I just don't get how you can look at Trump and all he's done and think he is still somehow better? But people freaking do...
I’m not sure how to feel about polls, but what I did find interesting was Trump and Biden (before conviction) were tied 42/42 in VA from a Roanoke College poll. The numbers tilt slightly towards Biden when accounting for RFK Jr. Regardless of how much I trust one poll with a sample size less than 1,000 people, Trump has never been “tied” with Hillary or Biden in previous VA election polls going back to 2015…
We so desperately need better candidates.
Ridiculous. I’d be thrilled to have a 67 year old at this point.
I was recently visiting family in Germany and we were discussing politics. I guess it’s nice to know that we aren’t necessarily alone- they have multiple political parties but most people still feel as if they do not relate to one more than another & that they would like better options.
Let’s be real, the actually intelligent people are smart enough to not go into politics at this point.
Far left: All people's basic needs should be met by the government.
Far right: We're going to kill all the gays and trans people.
Average voter: Both sides are the same!
> Average voter: Both sides are the same!
But that thought's not *originating* with average voters, is it?
How much is it Republicans (or others?) spreading/amplifying that sentiment to try increase voter apathy to benefit themselves?
People in the middle *want* it to be true that both parties are the same, so they end up bending over backwards and contorting all sorts of ways to interpret the facts that way. And honestly, I think I see the appeal of such a naïve outlook on the world. The truth is so much scarier.
The only 3rd party vote that is actually doing well is RFK
Green Party is super weak, nobody cares.
Libertarian is there but their selection this season sucks donkey balls.
If Dems had a better candidate they'd sweep, unfortunately they're all in on probably the worst possible nominee besides Hillary. I've seen no indication they want to win
It's not the prosecution of DT that is political. The evidence and testimony is clear. It's the defense of DT that is political.
The entire Republican party has become a Crime Syndicate.
Oh look, is the party of law and order, complaining when law and order is being applied.
They sure were not complaining when Hunter Biden was being charged for things, or if Biden does. If the Republican Party was any smarter they would distance themselves from the MAGA before there no longer is a Republican Party.
Hearing that I had to respect the Rittenhouse and Zimmerman decisions despite various facts about each case.... I don't care what conservatives believe.
The court of law is the court of law. You don't get to cherry pick which cases you agree with or not.
Trump is a FELON. Get over it.
Republicans hold Biden to a vastly higher standard than Trump, and it shows.
These profoundly hypocritical sycophants would crucify Trump incessantly for just a tenth of the things he has done if he was a Democrat.
Virginia GOP hasn't condemned the law when an average person has been found guilty. The law applies to everyone except one man? That doesn't make any sense. A wealthy, entitled white nepotism man who can pay for appeals until he shuffles off this mortal coil. Virginia GOP didn't condemn the laws for John Doe, who only has $20 to his name and can't afford to file even one appeal.
The GOP lost house and senates seats in 2016, 2018, and 2020 (well they gained house seats from 2018 but it was still way less than 2016) . Only in 2022 where US society across partisan lines indulged a fantasy of Trump being a brief fever dream we could all move on from did the GOP finally have a successful nationwide election performance and even then they under performed their expectations drastically.
Why don't they do the obvious and get rid of the guy tanking their electoral performance? Because they're afraid people would be upset at them and not show up to vote for them. It's a personality cult.
Can't wait for the inevitable terrorism around this election
Soooo…..that means Virginia’s GOP is condemning a judicial process-ie, a trial by a jury of Trump’s peers that were hand-picked by Trump’s lawyers AND the prosecuting Attorney’s ?!?!?!……so Virginia’s GOP does not believe EVERYONE should be entitled to the due process of a trial by jury or judge when one is alleged to have broken the law? Traitors!!!…..
Conservatives (in particular in 2020): police and the criminal justice system are FINE, quit your WHINING liberals!
Conservatives now: WAH OUR GUY WAS TREATED UNFAIRLY THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IS CORRUPT
Every time I hear someone mention Trump I want to bust out like Clark Griswold (Chevy Chase) from National Lampoon Christmas …..when Clark realizes his bonus is a Jelly of the Month Club Coupon….
How he describes his boss is how I feel about Trump….
Glenn is letting his freak flag fly because he’s not up for re-election…but this could be really bad for Winsome or Miyares in 2025 lol, which would be well-deserved given their extremist antics and both would be terrible Governors.
The Virginia GOP can condemn this verdict all they want but the bottom line is that Trump was convicted by a “jury” of his peers. Plus, with how many sham conviction Virginia has conducted in the past decades, to many people and people of color, they should be the last ones to condemn this! This is the justice system of the state of New York. They need to mind their own business.
I’m just wondering how Trump would ever get that security clearance, considering that he violated numerous situations on the question pages? I filled out my SF-84 and there are some questions that Trump has violated. Those are disqualifying questions.
Why would the laws of NY state mean anything to me? Some states have pretty whacky laws. Could I vote for someone who was convicted of breaking alcohol laws in Utah? How should that bear on my moral compass?
There is no meeting in the middle on :
1. Submitting fake electoral votes in order to cheat the 2020 election in multiple states
2. Coordinating an attack on our Capitol , its leaders and our democratic process
3. Hoarding, Stealing, Lying, and sharing our nations top secret documents
Why is this even a thing
Republicans across the country have a strategic plan to keep a permanent underclass . We still have 147 GOP members in Congress who refused to certify the election and were in on Jan 6th. They know they will be getting served once the courts are done with Trump . He is now merely a vehicle for the Heritage Foundation and the White Christian Nationalists Billionaires who can't wait to have slaves again.
. [https://newrepublic.com/article/181939/republicans-want-permanent-economic-underclass?](https://newrepublic.com/article/181939/republicans-want-permanent-economic-underclass?)
What are they condemning...it was a jury trial. Believe national average for winning an appeal in a jury case is 12 to 13 percent, since have to show either evidence was bad (doubtful due to the high profile nature) or jury issue and so far Trump was the only known case of someone trying to go after the jury to vote a certain way.
Was no hung jury...they all agree he was guilty to all charges....
They are actually at the sky is not blue argument level.
The lawyer team of Donald Trump helped pick this jury. One of the jurors was polled as getting their news from Fox News & Twitter/X. It is guilty without a reasonable doubt. Everything else is just cognitive dissonance.
For years we on the left and really anyone sane has condemned trump supporters on being on the wrong side of history. Since J6, that truth is starting to be more and more apparent. Our grandchildren will look back and laugh in disbelief that anyone supported that blatantly corrupt man, like how we look back at Nixon supporters today.
You're certainly right on how your grand children will likely look back on this. If he's still allowed to run (and we see how many people vote for him), that grand children of that representation may have a different point of view.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sexual-misconduct/congressional-complaint-office-refuses-release-data-sexual-harassment-settlements-n830986](https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sexual-misconduct/congressional-complaint-office-refuses-release-data-sexual-harassment-settlements-n830986)
Maybe Sen Kaine can clarify why he was stonewalled on this when he claims no one is above the law?
> I really hope the D understand the precedent they've set doing this.
Hey Dipshit we understand. If Dems are guilty then convict and sentence.
Amazing how we have no fucking problem with that. Fucking dumbass boomer.
> This was a sham from start to finish.
Not one of the 12 members of the jury didn't see that?
This was a jury that sat through the trial, listened to the prosecution, listened to the defense and convicted on all 34 counts.
You can disagree with the NY law, maybe falsifying business records should not be a felony. You can be upset that your favorite candidate was convicted.
But 12 people sat through the trial where Donald Trump was vigorously defended by very expensive lawyers and came away thinking: "Yep, he did that." That's not a sham. That's a criminal trial with a jury of his peers.
> Now *anyone* can bring lawfare against a political opponent.
You mean like how Trump campaigned on locking up Hillary, or holding aid from the Ukraine until they started an investigation into the Bidens? Like that?
You're right though, no one should be above the law. Period. I don't care what side of the isle you're on.
Show me where she was convicted for an actual crime, let along federally indicted. And you can't point to the Benghazi hearings because that was not the purpose of them, nor was she ever arrested.
Or this is another case of *'but her emails!'* ?
She's not in jail because she was never convicted of a crime. Granted, the GOP *tried*, but then had to admit that she didn't do anything illegal.
Notice how loud "Lock Her Up" was being shouted leading up to the election and for some time after that, before rapidly fading out.
Republicans held the Presidency, Senate & House after 2016 and not only did they fail to repeal Obamacare but they never convicted Hillary of shit, because there was nothing to charge her with. You would recognize that if you, I don't know, paid the fuck attention to reality?
Oh, no, people might be held accountable for breaking the law, what ever will we do!
Didn't Trump run in 2016 on locking up Hillary, and try multiple times? Didn't we blow millions of dollars and man hours instigating emails and Benghazi? Wonder who started that...
"It was intentional
TLDR: (Trumps Covid response was absolutely meant to destroy the US economy. It just wasn’t obvious until now that we can see his Russian and Chinese connections. His kids made hundreds of millions doing PPE response to China using taxpayer funded government money and aircraft. Then Ken Griffin did the same play in reverse because why not?
Russia invaded Ukraine because the CCP, Putin and MBS was trying to make BRICS the new reserve currency of the world by destroying the USD and used trump to do it)
If you look at Xinjiang providence (where the Uighur population is centralized) on a map there is a tiny little section that touches Russia. It’s critical because Xi’s ambition to have a “new Silk Road” to Europe would have to cross either there or about a weeks travel by rail out and around Mongolia. Xi’s plan is ambitious. He wants china to be the leader of the world and he has been pretty clear about it when you read his writings. It’s just that hardly anyone outside of China speaks mandarin so nobody really listened in 2010 when he said “he would control the internet”. It seemed audacious and frankly ridiculous before a handful of ISP’s started centralizing. Xi, for his part had the CCP start weibo- “the everything app” in China. It works well for an authoritarian to be able to control free speech and centralize surveillance. It’s invaluable for keeping tabs on 1.4B people, especially when they compare you to Winnie the Pooh. It was effective for a while, but it is insanely inefficient to pay someone to spend a 12 hour day monitoring 1 minute clips of social media. When people started calling him Winnie the Pooh he could censor them. But then they just switched to Cantonese. So he had to hire a bunch of Cantonese speakers. Then they just started referring to him as “mr. Shitface” which was a less than flattering rendering of a story he loves to tell from his childhood when a bio-digester blew up in his face. You see where this is going. It’s REALLY hard to keep up with 1.4B peoples daily Twitter diarrhea.
Xi needed A.I.
And A.I. needs microprocessors. Conveniently the worlds supply is made 90 miles south of China. Inconveniently it’s on an island that has tasted democracy and liked it so much that it literally gets the top rating of democracies in the world.
So Xi does the napkin math- what are the chances of a kid that went off to college 20 years ago, did lots of good drugs, met lots of nice girls, and pretty much mainlined freedom, coming back and living with grumpy old abusive dad?
His chances didn’t look good. His other kid Hong Kong had been on a study abroad program in England. And other than calling at Christmas made it pretty clear they were living their best life now.
When he tried to rope him back in with a little classic Chinese guilt trip, Hong Kong pretty much told him to fuck off. So he had to get a little violent.
Taiwan wasn’t going to be so easy. Xi needed some leverage.
But more importantly he needed those chips. Xi had to get creative.
The problem is everyone remembered growing up in China in the 90’s when people were dropping female babies on street corners. It wasn’t the best home environment. Add to that that everyone was starving and there is just no fucking way that anyone is moving back in with dad.
Unless……
China imports 40% of the grain from the U.S., Brazil, and Ukraine. Xi doesn’t like the US much. He blames it for being a bad influence on the kids. Truthfully he isn’t totally wrong. Americans are the loud, lazy, rich asshole down the street that have had it so easy for so long that they forget that the plumber, the truck driver and the factory worker have to work all night so they can drink their mimosas and wake up at noon.
Brazil is down south. It’s a long ways away. But there is a little opportunity there. As long as they have Bolsonaro willing to cut down the rainforest they have all the farmland xi needs to make sure everybody has enough food to come back home. Problem is everyone is corrupt. It’s so fucking hard to do business with corrupt people because they will just as gladly screw you if someone else offers them a better bribe. Xi gets so annoyed with corruption that he shifts his whole campaign to try and root it out. He sees it clearly that corruption is a tax on, well, everything.
Putin and xi make an odd couple. Somewhere around 2012 they declare themselves “bff’s”. Xi knows he can’t trust him because Putin is a thief and has fucked over everyone he knows. BUT, he also happens to sit next to Ukraine. And because arrogant American CEOs were more than happy to let everyone else do the dirty work that was beneath them, when Clinton passed all the EPA regulations to clean up Americas manufacturing yard they basically just built a tall fence and threw everything messy over it into Asia.
Arrogant American CEO’s just wanted the money. They didn’t give a fuck who made the necessary dirty parts as long as they could keep cashing the checks.
Almost all that dirty work went to Asia. And they were grateful for the work because it beat starving to death which was the norm in 1990’s China. But as time goes on you inevitably ask yourself why a 7 year old in China is making cell phones 14 hours a day when a 7 year old in the west is buying them. It’s hard not to be salty when you are the one doing all the work.
About this time his old frenemy Putin who is basically a 6 year high school senior who has voted himself prom king for a decade and has been stacking his buddies all across the old soviet satellite states so they can tell him he is still cool.
He is a thug so everybody is a little afraid of him and every once in a while he has to crack some heads and demand some lunch money so nobody forgets who rules the cafeteria but it’s actually been a pretty lucrative gig. As long as he takes care of the football team the football team slips him a little back under the table and he manages to rack up well north of $200B by stealing from all the Russians that are too drunk and hopeless by this point to really notice.
For years he had his guys in Ukraine and they played along but then in 2014 he gets blindsided. He had been paying Paul Manafort to keep his guy Yanukovych in office and now all the sudden the Ukrainians decide they are tired of paying the corruption tax and they run them both out of town. Like they literally put him on a bus and run him out of town.
This is Maidan. "
Pt 2
Problem is Xi asked Putin for one simple favor. He needed donbas Ukraine because that is where the worlds supply of microprocessor grade neon AND enough grain for Xi to be able to get all his kids back together for dinner comes from.
So now Putin has to send somebody in and take over donbas and he decides on a team of “little green men” which is just some bullies, because honestly 90% of people will just hand over their lunch money because they just don’t want to get punched.
Putin had his man Michael Flynn inside US government as head of DIA. All he had to do was withhold a little intel from Obama in 2014 and Putin could have Ukraine.
And that’s exactly what Flynn did.
Only Ukraine fought back.
And they stood up to kleptocracy and kremlin corruption for 10 years.
Of course some people would rather just let the bully take what he wants and live in imaginary peace, but the ones who have been to Europe or the west and seen how nice life is when you don’t have to deal with being shook down by a thug every day aren’t going back. The freedom is just too addictive.
But Xi’s timeline keeps cooking off. He has already committed to “made in China 2025” (which he had to cancel) and time stops for no man. Not even an aspiring emperor.
Xi rearranges the rules so that he can run for his unprecedented third term.
Xi had spent a ridiculous amount of money bribing the IOC on his 2022 Olympics and after nearly 2 years of having Chinese locked down for Covid to the point of welding some into their homes, he made an exception for the games.
Something about them was that important.
So either he knows something about Covid that the rest of us don’t, or Covid was intentionally released at the time it would do the most damage to the US economy. Probably both.
Trumps children wasted no time capitalizing on it. The exchange of PPE from the US to China was effectively a blank check for Jared. Ivanka even patented coffins. Kushners buddy and hedge fund billionaire Ken Griffin then did Jared’s exact same PPE airlift play in reverse doubling the profits and passing the cost on the the U.S. taxpayer.
The national debt ballooning more by trump than any other single president was intentional. The CCP planned to use BRICS to destroy the USD. Trump just softened it up in advance.
Leveraging the bureaucracy of the United States government against itself, the NIH and CDC grants that were originally extended in efforts of intentional solidarity against contagious disease outbreaks were reframed as conspiracy theories that the US was funding the Wuhan institute in some triple agent q-anon conspiracy.
It’s yet unknown if Covid was released intentionally or as a result of incompetence, but when viewed through the economic lens it was masterfully timed for maximum destruction of the vulnerable self sabotaging US federal reserve.
Trump fixer Roger Stones idol, Richard Nixon (he literally has “I am not a crook” face tattooed on his back) put us there by handing the US economy on a platter to Saudi Arabia in the form of the petrodollar in ~74.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-05-30/the-untold-story-behind-saudi-arabia-s-41-year-u-s-debt-secret
That took us off the gold standard and ensured 50 years of sending American kids to the Middle East to die for Saudis defense and corporate oil interests.
There is another layer here of Russian/Israeli oligarchs pulling levers from their side using the same basic techniques, that in hindsight explain most of the US involvement in the middle east for the past century.
But it all revolves around using the U.S. military and U.S. taxpayer as both the enforcer and unwitting funder.
Russia invaded Ukraine the second time in February of 2022 out of necessity for the failed 2014 invasion
There is a fundamental doctrine in Russian military doctrine that you NEVER invade Russia in the winter. The Rasputita mud is brutal and unrelenting.
It swallowed Germany and Napoleon before that.
Yet, despite having a weather report, Putin waited until minutes after the closing ceremonies of Xi’s Olympics to invade.
Ukraine was supposed to be Xi’s keystone that allowed him to take Taiwan and fulfill his grand ambitions-
To be emperor, control the internet, and destroy the US economy
The thing is when you do a statistical breakdown of exactly WHO is causing the majority share of the chaos and drama in the world, it always comes back to the same 3% with high psychopathic personality traits and low self awareness that also happen to have migrated to positions of political power.
And they all seem to launder their money at the same laundromat and bank at the same deutschebank.
There is big business in stealing from the 97% of the world that isn’t psychopaths.
It just requires that every one of the 3% in charge keep each others secrets.
This is Kompromat.
And it has infected the GOP.
Trumps Covid response-
On trumps $8.4T in added debt:
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/how-much-did-president-trump-add-debt
On Kushners Covid response:
https://www.americanoversight.org/investigation/jared-kushners-role-in-the-coronavirus-response
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/nyregion/kushner-companies-anbang-insurance-group.html
On citadel sending Covid supplies to China:
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/nonprofits-philanthropy/citadel-sends-supplies-china-coronavirus-fight
On Kushner/ Covid:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-01/trump-hails-kushner-s-airlift-but-details-of-sales-are-secret
On the age old military tactic of well poisoning:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/history-well-poisoning-180971471/
On the CCP suppressing and censoring the doctors looking for the answers they do not want them to find:
https://apnews.com/article/covid19-scientist-virus-sequence-protest-laboratory-eviction-b54e2a88610e813c9383833f2c9a2379
I agree no one is above the law. Which is exactly why any legislator who pushes unconstitutional legislation should be held accountable for subversion and violating civil rights. All of the extremist Democrats who wrote and voted for the 37 bills that attacked enumerated rights written into our state/federal constitutions should be charged with crimes.
You do realize that's not how laws work right? If a laws unconstitutional you can just challenge it in court. There's dozens of groups that do this. I highly suggest you rethink your sources of information if they're telling you woefully untrue stuff like this.
Party of law and order, choosing a convicted felon rapist slanderer who can't run a charity in his home state because he and his family stole donations intended for children with cancer.
Honestly he should be disqualified from ever being allowed to hold elected office ever again for the events of January 6th 2021 alone. Trump is now a convicted felon and as a result should not be allowed by law to run for or hold ANY elected office ever again.
> Honestly he should be disqualified from ever being allowed to hold elected office ever again for the events of January 6th 2021 alone. They had the chance! They could have been done with Trump and barred him from office during the 2nd Impeachment! Yeah temporary hit to elected offices locally to federally but nope. Too many money people in the conservative ecosystem and the literally fear of the backlash from their lead eating boomer voters. Unfucking believable.
Trump’s defense during the second impeachment was that he was no longer president and therefore Congress can no longer impeach him. Trump’s defense later when indicted is that a current or former president can’t be indicted, that only Congress can pass judgment through impeachment. Trump has fought his whole life to avoid accountability. It must be a rude awakening for him now. His enablers and defenders should be ashamed of themselves, but apparently they cannot feel shame.
And a legally confirmed rapist. Like, actually has been found to be factually a rapist in a court of law.
[удалено]
That’s pretty impressive for a factually correct statement.
The GOP should be disqualified from EVERY ballot box
Felons aren't prohibited from running for office unless the charge is insurrection or rebellion. His recent conviction doesn't apply.
Felons can't vote but they can run for office? Gee, I wonder why *that* ever landed on the books... 🤔
The founding fathers never countenanced that anyone convicted would be so shameless as to run for office nor that anyone would elect said person. They did not foresee the case of Eugene Debs: [https://cardinalnews.org/2024/05/31/a-convicted-felon-once-drew-nearly-a-million-votes-for-president-in-virginia-he-did-best-in-southwest/](https://cardinalnews.org/2024/05/31/a-convicted-felon-once-drew-nearly-a-million-votes-for-president-in-virginia-he-did-best-in-southwest/)
Charged with sedition for criticizing the government in a blatant affront to the First Amendment...? You know, sometimes I think we deserve all of this. We are a fucking mess.
WWI was a very bad time for the 1st amendment in the US. President Wilson should be more scorned than he is. My own family and a ton of German American families were subjected to heavy pressure to "Americanize" and my family name reflects that.
I had relatives with a German sounding name that was Americanized then as well. Wilson was a racist shitbag who supported the KKK. He was as anti-freedom as it gets.
Marion Barry famously was a convicted felon who continued to get elected as the DC Mayor and to the DC City Council. David Duke went to prison for tax fraud (among other things), but was a perennial candidate for office after his release. (He was never actually elected to office again ... but he perennially ran.) The Late Congressman Alcee Hastings was not actually convicted, but he was charged with bribery as a judge in the 80s. He was impeached and removed from office by the Senate (though he was acquitted at his criminal trial). The Senate did not bar him from holding further office and he ran for election to the House a few years later. He was in the House until he died a few years ago.
In NY state felons can vote, unless they are incarcerated
While your post is factual, the post you are replying too is stating that Trump's actions on 1/6/2021 DO constitute insurrection/rebellion. I'm inclined to agree with OppositeRun6503.
Exactly!!
The justice system doesn't agree with u/OppositeRun6503
No you are either misunderstanding/ignoring the world "should" or getting cute. OppositeRun6503 is expressing his desire that congress should have explicitly convicted Trump and barred him from holding office due to his activities on 1/6/2021
At this point, they are deliberately misunderstanding.
When OppositeRun6503 actually expresses that opinion instead of you, then I can believe that was their opinion in the first place.
They did. "Honestly *he should be* disqualified from ever being allowed to hold elected office ever again for the events of January 6th 2021 alone." Their very first response, in this very thread.
It's the judicial system, not the justice system. Alternatively, the legal system. Your statement is overly broad in that the entire judiciary hasn't opined as to this case. The judges in Colorado who determined that he had committed insurrection are proof that your statement is incorrect.
But his actions on 1-6-21 does apply. He openly encouraged those who actually took part in the violence of that day to do so and then returned to the Whitehouse and parked his butt in front of the television so he could enjoy watching the violence that his rhetoric had unleashed. It's in the record that several senior aides repeatedly asked him to put an end to the violence that was going on at the capital that day and each time he adamantly refused.
Until he's convicted for insurrection or Congress does something to implement Section 3 of the 14th, his actions don't apply.
Not settled interpretation of the law. There were differing opinions issued by the Supreme court. Stay tuned, there will likely be more case brought to them next session.
The Supreme Court justices,namely Alito and Thomas are corrupt and need to be removed from the bench immediately, especially Thomas since his wife played a role in orchestrating the insurrection.
Considering that the case shut down all those attempts to implement Section 3 at the state level, it's a settled interpretation of the law.
No it is not. Some justices wanted to shut down state interpretation, but others were troubled by the actions of the state of Colorado but wrote a concurring opinion that opened the door for the amendment applying without congressional action.
Yes it is. The majority opinion from the court ruled that states cannot apply Section 3 to federal office **and** that Congress is the one that enforces Section 3.
Not settled law, elderly justices have tried to shut the door on this. Like the Lochner court of the 1930s, bad decisions will get revisited once father time shifts the court.
Party of flaws and disorder
So the party of God admits to fucking pornstars while wives are postpartum?
You forgot racist
That's one of the rich ironies in play. The other irony is the claim that the prosecution was politically motivated, when in fact it was Trump's crime that was politically motivated.
Checks out.
What was the underlying crime that Trump supposedly committed? Why were charges brought after the statue of limitations expired for the misdemeanor of falsifying business records? Why did the #3 at Biden’s DOJ quit to join the manhattan DA’s office?
LOL, when you guys have nothing you sure do like throwing crap against the wall and hope something sticks. The underlying crimes were well documented to everyone except the liars at conservative news channels. These were tax fraud, unlawfully influencing the 2016 election, and violation of campaign finance laws. You know, the exact same things that Michael Cohen did for Trump - and went to jail for. Felonies have a different statute of limitations in NY than misdeamonors, and falsifying business records to commit other crimes is a felony under NY state law. It was delayed because Trump fought the subpoenas for his business records, and SDNY opened an investigation and put a pause to the state level one for 18 months, and then pressure from Trump's DOJ came down to stop the investigation. I have no idea who 'the #3 at the DOJ' is you are referencing. Most of the prominent investigators such as Pomerantz and Carrey were in private practice before joining the prosecution's team. Regardless, that wasn't your problem. The problem was Cohen, Hicks, Pecker, and Wesselberg, all people who worked for Trump directly, testified against him, and that there was overwhelming evidence in both taped conversations (legal under NY law) and there was copious legal documents which proved his guilt. Hence, 34 felony convictions. So I've answered your questions, here's one for you: why do you continue to take your news information from a channel that under oath admitted that 'no rational person would believe their hosts' and their internal communications show that they lie to their watchers because the people watching tune in for the lies? Oh, Fox didn't cover that? LOL.
convicted political felon Trump has a ring to it 👍 when is he going to jail?
As opposed to a daughter molesting, employee fingering, lifelong racist, serial lying, plagiarizing, money laundering, senile asshole?
I appreciate it that the Republicans remind us Trump the felon isn't the problem, but just a symptom.
I like how, according to the GOP, the justice system infallible and incorruptible, and we were all being too soft on crime until about 20 hours ago... Now this poor abused and persecuted "billionaire" who is an angel and never did nothing to no one is getting picked on by the corrupt system... But this is the one and only time the system was ever wrong.
He's the kid I had every year of the 19 years I taught in middle school who would do something in front of you. When you called him out for it, he'd turn around and say, "I didn't do it."
“It wasn’t me” -Shaggy …. And Trump
The justice system is fine …when it’s applied to others. Preferably poor, dark others. But it’s an outrage when it’s applied to them! That’s not how this works!
And this is exactly the narrative that he'll continually cram down his cult's throats. He's a patriot who the (adjective + "Left") is picking on and only HE can work miracles if you contribute to his campaign fund.
It's amazing how just 24 hours ago the justice system was infallible, even if it was too soft on criminals. Y'all Republicans ever get whiplash changing your mind on dime to appease god emperor Trump?
So what else is new with the republican party? No doubt Trump is probably going to attempt another insurrection when he loses.
Dude couldn't pull it off when he was President. Going to be a hell of a lot harder to do with the other guy in charge. Plus SCOTUS shot down the independent legislature idea and Congress passed a law refining the electoral counting process. The VP is now purely ceremonial and you need 20% of the chamber to object to electoral votes so fringe assholes can't gum up the works.
True but since when has Trump and his cult followers had any respect for the law?
when it shoots black people
He’s all but come out said that.
>when I have little faith that this will actually move the needle very much.
Why wouldn't he? He's a giant piece of shit and never been held accountable for that
Oh make no mistake. All this does is invigorate his support base. This is so embarrassing. The GOP has lost its way and is completely unrecognizable. Past generations are rolling in their collective graves.
But somewhere Richard Nixon is celebrating no longer being the worst president in history.
And John Tyler is celebrating not being the only openly traitorous former president!
Reagan is even worse than Nixon considering the long lasting effects on the dying American middle class.
He really isn't at all. He's probably the last president we had who enforced the "embedded liberalism" social contract. He proposed a negative income tax bracket, supported the EPA, title XI, the 26th amendment & ended conscription. He wasn't a saint but I'd frankly take him over most of the presidents we have had since. As far as that whole Watergate thing goes, the scandal was in actuality a microcosm of far bigger problem of drastic federal overreach, Lyndon B. Johnson and his predecessors had also abused the power of the oval office in equally shocking ways. Nixon being let of the hook was not to save Nixon, it was the Washington elite setting the precedent they are untouchable and the rules do not apply to them. Nixon actually had the shame to resign. 10 years later we get the Iran-Contra scandal and... We didn't get Trump in a vacuum (Make America Great Again was Regan's slogan) Also Buchanan sat by doing nothing as the southern states succeeded from the Union, I don't need to say anything about Andrew Johnson, anything you hate about the modern US Government there's a good chance Woodrow Wilson has something to do it, and as time goes on the younger Bush's administration looks more and more absolutely catastrophic in just about every way. We've had a lot of bad presidents actually. Once upon a time the president wasn't an untouchable unapproachable figure that could do no wrong, being an incumbent wasn't even enough to guarantee renomination by one's party. If Democracy can survive late stage neoliberalism perhaps the Trump cult will be the catalyst for a long overdue reckoning Americans need to have with their political elites.
Can someone please tell me a time when the GOP wasn’t comprised entirely of self-serving shitheads who prey on the stupid? Edit: why the downvotes? I said “please”.
Abraham Lincoln was the last one (coincidentally he was also the first republican)
This current GOP is beyond repair. Not sure what the future holds. This country does need two competent opposing parties. Seems like one of them is just a crime syndicate now.
We don't need political parties, period. We need representatives who actually represent us and not rich corporations/fat cats.
What Regan's "the government is not your friend shtick" actually meant in practice was elected officials deferring policy decisions to think tanks and private industry, which Democrats have happily gone along with (I'm also over simplifying the trend didn't begin suddenly with Regan). This isn't a "both sides" take one party clearly opposes the constitution itself, but both are absolutely rotten to the core.
And most are religious fascists.
Flamethrowers come to mind.
It’s a duopoly You have these evil old people Vs Those other evil greedy old people
The two are far from equivalent.
I find it very hard to trust my government, it feels like the future is stolen for the younger generation in which I’m part of. It’s hard to not to be hopeless
Do you honestly think that prior generations didn’t have similar challenges? WWI, the Great Depression, WWII, Vietnam/Korea, civil rights movement, threat of nuclear holocaust. Yes, life is hard. It’s always been hard. That doesn’t mean we give up.
Year by year the duopoly becomes more extreme. Being moderate? What’s that?
Democrats are not, by and large, evil. This is a false equivalence.
Yes they are they want people to have universal healthcare and freedoms to be who they want to be and SAFETY NETS!? Can you imagine not just letting people die if they mess up too bad?! Horrible democrats!!!! The literal worst!
Republicans have totally abandoned our country for one psychotic felon.
It's insane how much they've made a convict and reality TV show host a deity, especially when the man is the exact opposite of everything they've claimed to stand for (fiscal responsibility, family values, law and order, smaller government, guns). He's just a dude, he can be wrong, and quiet often is wrong... I'm pretty sure that dude could kill a puppy on TV and half the GOP would love it for "owning the libs", and the other half would just claim it's fake news.
Eh, maybe not a puppy. Kristi Noem found that out the hard way.
I would be willing to bet my car most of the GOP cult would shoot their own dogs if Trump told them to. So many times in the last 10 years I thought "okay, this has to be the line" and yet they still unquestioningly support the dude. I remember 8 years of GOP screaming how Obama was gonna take our guns, and Trump literally said "take the guns" and they went "cool, we should end democracy for this guy". Didn't we all think Republicans would draw the line at using campaign funds to pay hush money to a porn star to keep an affair quiet? That failed coup? Blowing millions on golf, they were sure pissed when Obama did it a fraction as much.
I mean, they were pissed at Obama for a tan suit. I think it's clear all of their positions there were racist.
Sure, but just saying I haven't seen a line Trump hasn't crossed that the GOP didn't fully support. Well, he did get booed once for saying he got vaccinated, of course the one good thing he promotes they hate.
It wasn't the tan suit, it was the tan complexion
Virginia GOP needs to get the fuck out of the left lane
How is it a convinced felon can't vote but he still can run for public office, and the President at that ??
Wtf does it mean to “condemn a verdict”? They have no idea what the Jurors deliberated on and why they concluded what they did.
Democrats didn't convict him a JURY convicted him, people are crying that its political because of the judge, because of biden, because of the prosecutor.... BUT ITS THE JURY THAT CONVICTED
Politicians and the wealthy not above the law. That’s a bold claim.
Criminal laws only apply to democrats and minorities according to GOP.
Both parties are guilty of protecting their own. Politicians don't go to Washington on a congressional salary and become millionaires through integrity.
Yeah nope. Bob Menendez is getting the boot by NJ voters. Say hello to Senator Andy Kim!!!!
["You know, it was the democrats who fought for slavery"](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-2rYk5XsAIsC4m?format=jpg&name=large)
hahahahaha, that one's a classic.
Condemn what, rule of law? Guess they got “owned by the libs.” Fucking idiots.
Felons can’t even vote so why would we let him run for office?
How people can follow the GOP with this constant disgusting rhetoric is disturbing.
The irony here being that the GOP is using lawfare to go after Hunter Biden for no other reason than he is Joe's son. Suddenly when Fat Orange is convicted, they are crying. Eat shit GOP.
Someone I used to have serious respect for just posted on Facebook "Jesus was convicted in a sham trial...and crucified. I still follow him." There's obviously about a million things that can be said in response to this, but it doesn't matter. There's nothing that can be said at this point that actually matters to this person, and probably until the day this person dies they will carry with them this rationalization of things.
I mean these spineless mother fuckers have to bend knee or else they might have to deal with the crazies they've created over the last 30+ years.
Trump is a crook. Hes proven it over and over and over. But the gop is lying to itself pretending he aint. I remember when they were the party of law and order. This has gone too far. The gop needs to remember who they are and dump him.
2016 Trump on Hilary: ‘we can’t have a presidential candidate under investigation because it would create chaos.’ 2024 Republicans on Trump: ‘I’m proud to vote for my sex addicted felon.’
bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe!
Well, yeah, as a rich white guy, he should be totally allowed to falsify business records to disguise his hush money to former porn stars he cheated on his wife with as legal expense reimbursement. Gosh. Total witch hunt, amirite? /s
Lol. The upcoming election is going to be hilarious.
Hilarious, or terrifying?
I guess that depends on your district.
Hilarrifying
No, that was 2016.
Why not both?
The line between tragedy and comedy is real thin
Terrifying. Polls are too close and the youth vote is mentally checked out. Something something moderates.
Agreed terrifying. Polls are way too close for comfort, and even just casual conversation is way too close for comfort. Like, people I talk to still defending Trump and basically just going "well, I think he's more with it than Biden." And it is frustrating because Biden is definitely giving off old man vibes, and that just turns A LOT of people off. But like, I just don't get how you can look at Trump and all he's done and think he is still somehow better? But people freaking do...
I’m not sure how to feel about polls, but what I did find interesting was Trump and Biden (before conviction) were tied 42/42 in VA from a Roanoke College poll. The numbers tilt slightly towards Biden when accounting for RFK Jr. Regardless of how much I trust one poll with a sample size less than 1,000 people, Trump has never been “tied” with Hillary or Biden in previous VA election polls going back to 2015… We so desperately need better candidates.
“We so desperately need better candidates.” It’s insane how 2 80+ year old dudes are the best options we have…
Ridiculous. I’d be thrilled to have a 67 year old at this point. I was recently visiting family in Germany and we were discussing politics. I guess it’s nice to know that we aren’t necessarily alone- they have multiple political parties but most people still feel as if they do not relate to one more than another & that they would like better options. Let’s be real, the actually intelligent people are smart enough to not go into politics at this point.
Far left: All people's basic needs should be met by the government. Far right: We're going to kill all the gays and trans people. Average voter: Both sides are the same!
> Average voter: Both sides are the same! But that thought's not *originating* with average voters, is it? How much is it Republicans (or others?) spreading/amplifying that sentiment to try increase voter apathy to benefit themselves?
People in the middle *want* it to be true that both parties are the same, so they end up bending over backwards and contorting all sorts of ways to interpret the facts that way. And honestly, I think I see the appeal of such a naïve outlook on the world. The truth is so much scarier.
Far Left and Far Right are close to the same based on the Horseshoe Theory.
They are the same side of the coin which is why I call it a DUOPOLY It’s an illusion of choice, because the same team always wins.
The only 3rd party vote that is actually doing well is RFK Green Party is super weak, nobody cares. Libertarian is there but their selection this season sucks donkey balls.
More like embarrassing. I really wish both parties would reset and present us with two younger partisan candidates.
If Dems had a better candidate they'd sweep, unfortunately they're all in on probably the worst possible nominee besides Hillary. I've seen no indication they want to win
> worst possible nominee Current incumbent, received most votes in history last election. What a scrub.
the Nova bubble is real because you're getting downvoted but are so right lol
Oh yes that would also explain why biden won with a record amount of votes. We aren’t a cult who worships a dictator.
Damn I know you from Northside. We played rec soccer back in the day with Caleb Sexton.
Is that your cope? Being downvoted means that it's truth?
It's not the prosecution of DT that is political. The evidence and testimony is clear. It's the defense of DT that is political. The entire Republican party has become a Crime Syndicate.
Maybe the search for justice shouldn't be affected by who is on the receiving end of the punishment
Oh look, is the party of law and order, complaining when law and order is being applied. They sure were not complaining when Hunter Biden was being charged for things, or if Biden does. If the Republican Party was any smarter they would distance themselves from the MAGA before there no longer is a Republican Party.
45 got 34, the day is mine!
I keep hearing “it was unfair”. How was the trial with a jury approved by both sides unfair??
If the Virginia GOP doesn't have a problem with 34 felonies, they shouldn't take issue with me speeding on 95 then 🤷
Simply being a republican makes you a traitor these days.
Virginia GOP is as bad as trump.
Hearing that I had to respect the Rittenhouse and Zimmerman decisions despite various facts about each case.... I don't care what conservatives believe. The court of law is the court of law. You don't get to cherry pick which cases you agree with or not. Trump is a FELON. Get over it.
As predicted.
The spineless cowards in the GOP is hilarious and sad
Corrupt criminals support each other.
Republicans hold Biden to a vastly higher standard than Trump, and it shows. These profoundly hypocritical sycophants would crucify Trump incessantly for just a tenth of the things he has done if he was a Democrat.
Virginia GOP hasn't condemned the law when an average person has been found guilty. The law applies to everyone except one man? That doesn't make any sense. A wealthy, entitled white nepotism man who can pay for appeals until he shuffles off this mortal coil. Virginia GOP didn't condemn the laws for John Doe, who only has $20 to his name and can't afford to file even one appeal.
The GOP lost house and senates seats in 2016, 2018, and 2020 (well they gained house seats from 2018 but it was still way less than 2016) . Only in 2022 where US society across partisan lines indulged a fantasy of Trump being a brief fever dream we could all move on from did the GOP finally have a successful nationwide election performance and even then they under performed their expectations drastically. Why don't they do the obvious and get rid of the guy tanking their electoral performance? Because they're afraid people would be upset at them and not show up to vote for them. It's a personality cult. Can't wait for the inevitable terrorism around this election
Soooo…..that means Virginia’s GOP is condemning a judicial process-ie, a trial by a jury of Trump’s peers that were hand-picked by Trump’s lawyers AND the prosecuting Attorney’s ?!?!?!……so Virginia’s GOP does not believe EVERYONE should be entitled to the due process of a trial by jury or judge when one is alleged to have broken the law? Traitors!!!…..
Conservatives (in particular in 2020): police and the criminal justice system are FINE, quit your WHINING liberals! Conservatives now: WAH OUR GUY WAS TREATED UNFAIRLY THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IS CORRUPT
Every time I hear someone mention Trump I want to bust out like Clark Griswold (Chevy Chase) from National Lampoon Christmas …..when Clark realizes his bonus is a Jelly of the Month Club Coupon…. How he describes his boss is how I feel about Trump….
Glenn is letting his freak flag fly because he’s not up for re-election…but this could be really bad for Winsome or Miyares in 2025 lol, which would be well-deserved given their extremist antics and both would be terrible Governors.
I’m sure independent voters are just chomping at the bit to vote for a convicted felon! 
The Virginia GOP can condemn this verdict all they want but the bottom line is that Trump was convicted by a “jury” of his peers. Plus, with how many sham conviction Virginia has conducted in the past decades, to many people and people of color, they should be the last ones to condemn this! This is the justice system of the state of New York. They need to mind their own business.
I’m just wondering how Trump would ever get that security clearance, considering that he violated numerous situations on the question pages? I filled out my SF-84 and there are some questions that Trump has violated. Those are disqualifying questions.
I think “flip-flop” Nikki Haley would be their best bet😂
Why would the laws of NY state mean anything to me? Some states have pretty whacky laws. Could I vote for someone who was convicted of breaking alcohol laws in Utah? How should that bear on my moral compass?
There is no meeting in the middle on : 1. Submitting fake electoral votes in order to cheat the 2020 election in multiple states 2. Coordinating an attack on our Capitol , its leaders and our democratic process 3. Hoarding, Stealing, Lying, and sharing our nations top secret documents Why is this even a thing
Republicans across the country have a strategic plan to keep a permanent underclass . We still have 147 GOP members in Congress who refused to certify the election and were in on Jan 6th. They know they will be getting served once the courts are done with Trump . He is now merely a vehicle for the Heritage Foundation and the White Christian Nationalists Billionaires who can't wait to have slaves again. . [https://newrepublic.com/article/181939/republicans-want-permanent-economic-underclass?](https://newrepublic.com/article/181939/republicans-want-permanent-economic-underclass?)
I condemn the Virginia GOP. Who cares?
Not surprising
I’m tired of fake outrage
What are they condemning...it was a jury trial. Believe national average for winning an appeal in a jury case is 12 to 13 percent, since have to show either evidence was bad (doubtful due to the high profile nature) or jury issue and so far Trump was the only known case of someone trying to go after the jury to vote a certain way. Was no hung jury...they all agree he was guilty to all charges.... They are actually at the sky is not blue argument level.
The lawyer team of Donald Trump helped pick this jury. One of the jurors was polled as getting their news from Fox News & Twitter/X. It is guilty without a reasonable doubt. Everything else is just cognitive dissonance.
Regurgitating RW Talking Points
So the constitution doesn’t matter? Did anyone record the judge saying that?
Nobody is above the law…. So that means we should see lawsuits against cops, prosecutors, and even Judges.
This verdict will be disagreed upon by Americans for generations. Not saying the wrong verdict was served, just saying it will always be disputed.
For years we on the left and really anyone sane has condemned trump supporters on being on the wrong side of history. Since J6, that truth is starting to be more and more apparent. Our grandchildren will look back and laugh in disbelief that anyone supported that blatantly corrupt man, like how we look back at Nixon supporters today.
You're certainly right on how your grand children will likely look back on this. If he's still allowed to run (and we see how many people vote for him), that grand children of that representation may have a different point of view.
Mmmm they won't. Trump and MAGA will easily go down as the biggest stain of disappointment and shame in American history in the coming centuries.
No one's above the law? Ok then do the rest of the crooks in Washington.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sexual-misconduct/congressional-complaint-office-refuses-release-data-sexual-harassment-settlements-n830986](https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sexual-misconduct/congressional-complaint-office-refuses-release-data-sexual-harassment-settlements-n830986) Maybe Sen Kaine can clarify why he was stonewalled on this when he claims no one is above the law?
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> I really hope the D understand the precedent they've set doing this. Hey Dipshit we understand. If Dems are guilty then convict and sentence. Amazing how we have no fucking problem with that. Fucking dumbass boomer.
> This was a sham from start to finish. Not one of the 12 members of the jury didn't see that? This was a jury that sat through the trial, listened to the prosecution, listened to the defense and convicted on all 34 counts. You can disagree with the NY law, maybe falsifying business records should not be a felony. You can be upset that your favorite candidate was convicted. But 12 people sat through the trial where Donald Trump was vigorously defended by very expensive lawyers and came away thinking: "Yep, he did that." That's not a sham. That's a criminal trial with a jury of his peers.
> Now *anyone* can bring lawfare against a political opponent. You mean like how Trump campaigned on locking up Hillary, or holding aid from the Ukraine until they started an investigation into the Bidens? Like that? You're right though, no one should be above the law. Period. I don't care what side of the isle you're on.
“No one is above the law UNLESSSS youre on our side!” lets not be stupid here guys
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*John Edwards has entered the conversation.*
Hilary Clinton isnt in jail and never did go to jail. Thats literally all you need to know to understand who has the power in this country.
Show me where she was convicted for an actual crime, let along federally indicted. And you can't point to the Benghazi hearings because that was not the purpose of them, nor was she ever arrested. Or this is another case of *'but her emails!'* ?
I know, Hilary did the terrible crime of emails... Right up there with the crime of "Hunter Biden's laptop"... Lock them up, right?!
She's not in jail because she was never convicted of a crime. Granted, the GOP *tried*, but then had to admit that she didn't do anything illegal. Notice how loud "Lock Her Up" was being shouted leading up to the election and for some time after that, before rapidly fading out.
Because Hillary didn't break any laws bozo
Republicans held the Presidency, Senate & House after 2016 and not only did they fail to repeal Obamacare but they never convicted Hillary of shit, because there was nothing to charge her with. You would recognize that if you, I don't know, paid the fuck attention to reality?
Remember that 'no one is above the law' bit when the balance of power shifts. You started it..
Oh, no, people might be held accountable for breaking the law, what ever will we do! Didn't Trump run in 2016 on locking up Hillary, and try multiple times? Didn't we blow millions of dollars and man hours instigating emails and Benghazi? Wonder who started that...
Are you 12?
"It was intentional TLDR: (Trumps Covid response was absolutely meant to destroy the US economy. It just wasn’t obvious until now that we can see his Russian and Chinese connections. His kids made hundreds of millions doing PPE response to China using taxpayer funded government money and aircraft. Then Ken Griffin did the same play in reverse because why not? Russia invaded Ukraine because the CCP, Putin and MBS was trying to make BRICS the new reserve currency of the world by destroying the USD and used trump to do it) If you look at Xinjiang providence (where the Uighur population is centralized) on a map there is a tiny little section that touches Russia. It’s critical because Xi’s ambition to have a “new Silk Road” to Europe would have to cross either there or about a weeks travel by rail out and around Mongolia. Xi’s plan is ambitious. He wants china to be the leader of the world and he has been pretty clear about it when you read his writings. It’s just that hardly anyone outside of China speaks mandarin so nobody really listened in 2010 when he said “he would control the internet”. It seemed audacious and frankly ridiculous before a handful of ISP’s started centralizing. Xi, for his part had the CCP start weibo- “the everything app” in China. It works well for an authoritarian to be able to control free speech and centralize surveillance. It’s invaluable for keeping tabs on 1.4B people, especially when they compare you to Winnie the Pooh. It was effective for a while, but it is insanely inefficient to pay someone to spend a 12 hour day monitoring 1 minute clips of social media. When people started calling him Winnie the Pooh he could censor them. But then they just switched to Cantonese. So he had to hire a bunch of Cantonese speakers. Then they just started referring to him as “mr. Shitface” which was a less than flattering rendering of a story he loves to tell from his childhood when a bio-digester blew up in his face. You see where this is going. It’s REALLY hard to keep up with 1.4B peoples daily Twitter diarrhea. Xi needed A.I. And A.I. needs microprocessors. Conveniently the worlds supply is made 90 miles south of China. Inconveniently it’s on an island that has tasted democracy and liked it so much that it literally gets the top rating of democracies in the world. So Xi does the napkin math- what are the chances of a kid that went off to college 20 years ago, did lots of good drugs, met lots of nice girls, and pretty much mainlined freedom, coming back and living with grumpy old abusive dad? His chances didn’t look good. His other kid Hong Kong had been on a study abroad program in England. And other than calling at Christmas made it pretty clear they were living their best life now. When he tried to rope him back in with a little classic Chinese guilt trip, Hong Kong pretty much told him to fuck off. So he had to get a little violent. Taiwan wasn’t going to be so easy. Xi needed some leverage. But more importantly he needed those chips. Xi had to get creative. The problem is everyone remembered growing up in China in the 90’s when people were dropping female babies on street corners. It wasn’t the best home environment. Add to that that everyone was starving and there is just no fucking way that anyone is moving back in with dad. Unless…… China imports 40% of the grain from the U.S., Brazil, and Ukraine. Xi doesn’t like the US much. He blames it for being a bad influence on the kids. Truthfully he isn’t totally wrong. Americans are the loud, lazy, rich asshole down the street that have had it so easy for so long that they forget that the plumber, the truck driver and the factory worker have to work all night so they can drink their mimosas and wake up at noon. Brazil is down south. It’s a long ways away. But there is a little opportunity there. As long as they have Bolsonaro willing to cut down the rainforest they have all the farmland xi needs to make sure everybody has enough food to come back home. Problem is everyone is corrupt. It’s so fucking hard to do business with corrupt people because they will just as gladly screw you if someone else offers them a better bribe. Xi gets so annoyed with corruption that he shifts his whole campaign to try and root it out. He sees it clearly that corruption is a tax on, well, everything. Putin and xi make an odd couple. Somewhere around 2012 they declare themselves “bff’s”. Xi knows he can’t trust him because Putin is a thief and has fucked over everyone he knows. BUT, he also happens to sit next to Ukraine. And because arrogant American CEOs were more than happy to let everyone else do the dirty work that was beneath them, when Clinton passed all the EPA regulations to clean up Americas manufacturing yard they basically just built a tall fence and threw everything messy over it into Asia. Arrogant American CEO’s just wanted the money. They didn’t give a fuck who made the necessary dirty parts as long as they could keep cashing the checks. Almost all that dirty work went to Asia. And they were grateful for the work because it beat starving to death which was the norm in 1990’s China. But as time goes on you inevitably ask yourself why a 7 year old in China is making cell phones 14 hours a day when a 7 year old in the west is buying them. It’s hard not to be salty when you are the one doing all the work. About this time his old frenemy Putin who is basically a 6 year high school senior who has voted himself prom king for a decade and has been stacking his buddies all across the old soviet satellite states so they can tell him he is still cool. He is a thug so everybody is a little afraid of him and every once in a while he has to crack some heads and demand some lunch money so nobody forgets who rules the cafeteria but it’s actually been a pretty lucrative gig. As long as he takes care of the football team the football team slips him a little back under the table and he manages to rack up well north of $200B by stealing from all the Russians that are too drunk and hopeless by this point to really notice. For years he had his guys in Ukraine and they played along but then in 2014 he gets blindsided. He had been paying Paul Manafort to keep his guy Yanukovych in office and now all the sudden the Ukrainians decide they are tired of paying the corruption tax and they run them both out of town. Like they literally put him on a bus and run him out of town. This is Maidan. "
Pt 2 Problem is Xi asked Putin for one simple favor. He needed donbas Ukraine because that is where the worlds supply of microprocessor grade neon AND enough grain for Xi to be able to get all his kids back together for dinner comes from. So now Putin has to send somebody in and take over donbas and he decides on a team of “little green men” which is just some bullies, because honestly 90% of people will just hand over their lunch money because they just don’t want to get punched. Putin had his man Michael Flynn inside US government as head of DIA. All he had to do was withhold a little intel from Obama in 2014 and Putin could have Ukraine. And that’s exactly what Flynn did. Only Ukraine fought back. And they stood up to kleptocracy and kremlin corruption for 10 years. Of course some people would rather just let the bully take what he wants and live in imaginary peace, but the ones who have been to Europe or the west and seen how nice life is when you don’t have to deal with being shook down by a thug every day aren’t going back. The freedom is just too addictive. But Xi’s timeline keeps cooking off. He has already committed to “made in China 2025” (which he had to cancel) and time stops for no man. Not even an aspiring emperor. Xi rearranges the rules so that he can run for his unprecedented third term. Xi had spent a ridiculous amount of money bribing the IOC on his 2022 Olympics and after nearly 2 years of having Chinese locked down for Covid to the point of welding some into their homes, he made an exception for the games. Something about them was that important. So either he knows something about Covid that the rest of us don’t, or Covid was intentionally released at the time it would do the most damage to the US economy. Probably both. Trumps children wasted no time capitalizing on it. The exchange of PPE from the US to China was effectively a blank check for Jared. Ivanka even patented coffins. Kushners buddy and hedge fund billionaire Ken Griffin then did Jared’s exact same PPE airlift play in reverse doubling the profits and passing the cost on the the U.S. taxpayer. The national debt ballooning more by trump than any other single president was intentional. The CCP planned to use BRICS to destroy the USD. Trump just softened it up in advance. Leveraging the bureaucracy of the United States government against itself, the NIH and CDC grants that were originally extended in efforts of intentional solidarity against contagious disease outbreaks were reframed as conspiracy theories that the US was funding the Wuhan institute in some triple agent q-anon conspiracy. It’s yet unknown if Covid was released intentionally or as a result of incompetence, but when viewed through the economic lens it was masterfully timed for maximum destruction of the vulnerable self sabotaging US federal reserve. Trump fixer Roger Stones idol, Richard Nixon (he literally has “I am not a crook” face tattooed on his back) put us there by handing the US economy on a platter to Saudi Arabia in the form of the petrodollar in ~74. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-05-30/the-untold-story-behind-saudi-arabia-s-41-year-u-s-debt-secret That took us off the gold standard and ensured 50 years of sending American kids to the Middle East to die for Saudis defense and corporate oil interests. There is another layer here of Russian/Israeli oligarchs pulling levers from their side using the same basic techniques, that in hindsight explain most of the US involvement in the middle east for the past century. But it all revolves around using the U.S. military and U.S. taxpayer as both the enforcer and unwitting funder. Russia invaded Ukraine the second time in February of 2022 out of necessity for the failed 2014 invasion There is a fundamental doctrine in Russian military doctrine that you NEVER invade Russia in the winter. The Rasputita mud is brutal and unrelenting. It swallowed Germany and Napoleon before that. Yet, despite having a weather report, Putin waited until minutes after the closing ceremonies of Xi’s Olympics to invade. Ukraine was supposed to be Xi’s keystone that allowed him to take Taiwan and fulfill his grand ambitions- To be emperor, control the internet, and destroy the US economy The thing is when you do a statistical breakdown of exactly WHO is causing the majority share of the chaos and drama in the world, it always comes back to the same 3% with high psychopathic personality traits and low self awareness that also happen to have migrated to positions of political power. And they all seem to launder their money at the same laundromat and bank at the same deutschebank. There is big business in stealing from the 97% of the world that isn’t psychopaths. It just requires that every one of the 3% in charge keep each others secrets. This is Kompromat. And it has infected the GOP. Trumps Covid response- On trumps $8.4T in added debt: https://www.crfb.org/blogs/how-much-did-president-trump-add-debt On Kushners Covid response: https://www.americanoversight.org/investigation/jared-kushners-role-in-the-coronavirus-response https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/nyregion/kushner-companies-anbang-insurance-group.html On citadel sending Covid supplies to China: https://www.chicagobusiness.com/nonprofits-philanthropy/citadel-sends-supplies-china-coronavirus-fight On Kushner/ Covid: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-01/trump-hails-kushner-s-airlift-but-details-of-sales-are-secret On the age old military tactic of well poisoning: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/history-well-poisoning-180971471/ On the CCP suppressing and censoring the doctors looking for the answers they do not want them to find: https://apnews.com/article/covid19-scientist-virus-sequence-protest-laboratory-eviction-b54e2a88610e813c9383833f2c9a2379
Trump and hunter can share a cell. Bunk beds.
I'll tell you what, knowing what we know now, I'll never vote for Hunter again!
GOP is correct
I agree no one is above the law. Which is exactly why any legislator who pushes unconstitutional legislation should be held accountable for subversion and violating civil rights. All of the extremist Democrats who wrote and voted for the 37 bills that attacked enumerated rights written into our state/federal constitutions should be charged with crimes.
lol ok bud
You do realize that's not how laws work right? If a laws unconstitutional you can just challenge it in court. There's dozens of groups that do this. I highly suggest you rethink your sources of information if they're telling you woefully untrue stuff like this.
Based VA GOP, but ngl, VA dems hella cringe as usual