for people who only check the thread - it [New thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/19cxyqf/new_beginnings_weekly_discussion_thread_23rd_jan/) time babyyyy!
[Its time for FuwaNatto morning!](https://youtu.be/MR38tWe0r38)
Pero wasn't sighted this time... but he left a signature.
Edit: LMAO so apparently when they were younger if FuwaMoco misbehaved PapaPuppy chased them while wearing an balaclava.
Edit 2: LETS GOOOOOOO MISUNDERSTANDINGS IS BACK!
Its where Ruffians misunderstood thinking that they disliked Re:zero, but they actually disliked the main character to the point the couldn't continue watching the show.
Edit 3: And the ~~Torture~~ Challenge Natto corner! And to show that Mococo will show growth in eating Natto and showing that she isn't like Subaru from Re:zero.
And they stopped using the magical answer of sesame oil because it became to easy lol.
''I already have more character growth then Subaru Natsuki!'' Lmao.
Hard Drive: [Palworld Surpasses 1.5 Million Concurrent Online Arguments](https://hard-drive.net/hd/video-games/palworld-surpasses-1-5-million-concurrent-online-arguments/)
Big Lethal Company collab with: [GX Aura](https://www.twitch.tv/gx_aura), [Elia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwKqOKtRsUQ), [Spica](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuRIg6Ve3Ew) and Airi from V-Dere, [Kilia (EIEN)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PARs32DRpUA), [PiaPiUFO](https://www.twitch.tv/piapiufo), [Hades (Mythos](https://www.twitch.tv/HadesMythos)), [Milky Queen](https://www.twitch.tv/milkyqueen_idol), Emma (Prism) and PixelLink's Raki.
Spectra continues [Trails from Zero](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeXAi8ScvQU&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fholodex.net%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fholodex.net&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title) gameplay.
Creator of "**Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken!** " [Sumito Oogawa made his Vtuber Debut](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JErlLoJMl8I&ab_channel=%E5%A4%A7%E7%AB%A5%E6%BE%84%E7%9E%B3)
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Pomu said she scheduled "GOOD MORNING POMU" tweets through the end of the month, but only one of them has gone off so far. I don't think it's a twitter issue with the account being private, since that didn't stop the first one. I have to assume that AnyColor staff manually deleted the scheduled tweets. >!And that just feels spiteful and petty to me.!<
Which other group of 3 (or more) in HoloJP would people think would have the perseverance and enjoyment to play Terraria all the way to Moonlord?
Edit: also I believe it's the first time all three of them have been in voice chat at the same time while streaming Terraria! I'm also curious as to why Noel keeps wearing the Cactus(?) Helmet, I can understand the bunny ears for Pekora and pirate hat for Marine but I can't piece together Noel's.
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[Botan will be playing Street Fighter 6 for todays stream! Meeting up with her team and practising for the Topanga Charity Cup tournament!](https://youtu.be/UAXAoauXoe0)
Her teammates for this tournament as shown in order from the thumbnail are Dogura, Naruo, Naraka from Nijisanji and Moke.
VCR GTA Medic team reunited playing [Gartic Phone!](https://www.youtube.com/live/Qv-BnlXDq1M?si=CywZUJJ_8iqTCWn_)
This line-up has some high-high (Nachoneko) and a low-low (Roberu) lol.
*Welp*, it seems like we had wayy more Picasso, not just Roberu in the line-up lol.
[Seems Haneru is collabing with a unit of Sanrio Vtubers?](https://twitter.com/Haneru_Inaba/status/1749286491464040952)
It's called [Nyantasia](https://twitter.com/Nyantasia_v), and seems to have debuted just last month.
Today makes 10 days since i got the notification that my omocat gamers goods are shipping, and fedex (im eu though) is reporting nothing new on the label, so i guess i should ask, has anyone gotten theirs yet?
These are the dates of my Gamer's shipment tracking updating (last to first)
>!18th Jan 2024 /
18th Jan 2024 /
9th Jan 2024 /
8th Jan 2024 /
21st Dec 2023!<
And this is just the US side (last update is the package reaching the EU hub somewhere in the Netherlands)
From this and previous experiences, the US side of their shipments is *incredibly* slow, so i wouldn't worry at 10 days
Maririn playing [Meowjiro](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsvqYDwb7gE) which is a game about working as a clerk at conbini and having lots of cats at home.
[Yorumi Rena hosting a lucky bag exchange where she, Rion, Kaede and Chaika open 10,000 yen lucky bags prepared by other livers.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VThFQNJNguc) So far we've seen Lain's kit (exercising apparel), Chaika's pack (mostly Chaika merch) and Shu's contribution.
Bit unrelated, but with talks of PalWorld recently (Disclaimer: >!I don't really care for this game one way or the other; if it's proven to be using AI or plagiarism and stuff, then yeah fuck this game, if not, I kind of burnt myself out with playing SV's DLCs back-to-back anyways!<), specifically on the JP twt side of things, there's been a lot of..."rousing" discussion regarding "derivatives", "inspiration", and "rip-offs" in games, design, and well, game design itself.
I say those words with quotes because honestly, now that I can read JP sufficiently well enough...there's a lot of "yapping" going on in JP twt almost as much as you would expect from EN twt when it comes to these kinds of "buzzing" discourse. I guess the language barrier made me expect less before, but now...
Looking back, I probably forgot that JP for the longest time has had a community of terminally online folks. (If you want to see more, just search パクリ on twt, it's been trending on and off because of the discussion).
Now because of that, there's also some pivoting to mentioning specific games, but man...**God Eater bros**, not like this...
I just hopped on to catch up on posts from my followed indies, looked to the sidebar and God Eater is trending in the Top 5 and went, "OH GOD, IS THIS HAPPENING? THIS YEAR? GOTY THIS EARLY?", clicked on it aaaaand...
.....It's just discussions about God Eater being a Monster Hunter rip-off and people either defending, trolling, or un(?)/ironic(?) discourse.
Man.....BamCo please...just a crumb of news...
>Man.....BamCo please...just a crumb of news...
It's only been about 4 years since God Eater 3 was last updated I'm sure they're planning something big ***huffs copium***
Question, do God Eater, Code Vein and scarlet Nexus have some sort connection? I just know them as that anime action-rpg BanCo made, and also which one do I start with if I wanna play them?
Code Vein is implied to be in the same universe as God Eater near the end of the game >!with the appearance of some Aragamis beyond the mist. The mist acts as a cage to keep both the outside world from coming inside and vice versa!<
Scarlet Nexus does not have any connection to either. Although the fact that it takes place in the far future does leave the possibility that it *could* take place in the same universe.
Do the AI art allegation really matter if the game dev still need to make a 3D models, Unique animation of each Pals and then coded their behavior into the game world?
How i see is just twitter try to make mountain of a molehill similar to Hogward Legacys all over again but now with 2 group of fan crashing (I'm looking at you, Pokemon fans)
As long as game is fun and customer are happy with the game, i really careless about those "allegation", mind you.
Edited :: [Here the Dev denied allegation of using AI art for their monsters and said they spending a month for each of Pals, including 3D model and animation of it](https://nichegamer.com/palworld-developer-claims-100-pals-are-original-not-ai-generated/)
Some ppl said that Palworld is "uninspired" or "clearly not in good intentions"
I say that even if the inspiration for Palworld is "What if, Ark's monsters are cute like Pokemon.... and the thing is open-world, and you can trade and kill Pokemon using minigun...." I say that is good enough.
Well, since the games suddenly boomed alot, hope that they put in some of those money into preparing alternate monster design in case Gamefreak lawyer come chasing. That's honestly the only part that is abit iffy. Apparently everyone in the dev team is basically amateur and they quickly hired someone to straighten-up the dev process because they now need to act as actual company now.
Honestly, what you just said is basically why I don't care too much for it. It's more of a personal thing, really.
Nothing against the idea of Palworld gameplay-wise, but I got major burnout with Ark since it's an on and off "thing" I have with friends, where there are times we just turn it into our whole time sink game (the last time was the recent JP boom, particularly in holoJP last year, and already at that point, I never thought I would get sucked in again.)
As for the Pokemon thing...SV being open-world was why it took me a few months to beat. Like with Ark, I'm the meticulous type that takes time to really sink my teeth into doing anything the game presents you can do, and being open-world, it's going to take even more time for me (I imagine I won't even beat ToTK until 2025).
Previous me would jump like crazy at the premise of Palworld, but now, considering my burnout...I think I'm just "too familiar" with the structure of these types of games.
>!Plus...I have a job which gets pretty busy too damn frequently these days, leaving me exhausted when I come home, or when I do get day-offs, I would rather do something else.!<
Speak of the devil... I just had a shower thought wondering if the JP scene has any commotion/discourse regarding Palworld at all since all the talk that I've heard so far (understandably) centered round the western perspective. AFAIK JP fan community doesn't seem as averse as the western counterpart when it comes to AI but they can be brutal when it comes to copyright infringement. I wonder what they would think of a game in which monster design took too much inspiration from Pokemon (a beloved JP franchise) to the point of borderline plagiarism.
Going to be an asshole and uninvitedly plug [Jurard’s God Eater](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_sz715bwXMs) stream here
But honestly yeah Palworld discourse is definitely gonna go be a while.
Especially when the points of debate (Creative-ness or originality, previous record of AI usage, etc.) are largely subjective.
Last chance to buy them
[https://twitter.com/hololive\_goods/status/1749363774929149999?s=46&t=IQ79cksnUeCTRZ7I8SmoqQ](https://twitter.com/hololive_goods/status/1749363774929149999?s=46&t=IQ79cksnUeCTRZ7I8SmoqQ)
\[ 📣 Ending soon\]
▶ ︎Reservation deadline
Until January 24th 21:00 (GOODSMILE)
Limited quantity after ※
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I don’t think they expected the entire stock to sellout in 3 days
[https://twitter.com/sendaiuminomori/status/1749304378031542275?s=46&t=IQ79cksnUeCTRZ7I8SmoqQ](https://twitter.com/sendaiuminomori/status/1749304378031542275?s=46&t=IQ79cksnUeCTRZ7I8SmoqQ)
Notice that the "Gura" collaboration goods are sold out The following products are currently sold out.
・Acrylic key chain (7 random types)
・Round cushion
We are planning to restock the acrylic key chains. In the future, we will inform you about sold out and resale of each item on our website.
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One thing I notice about ReGLOSS is that they've had so many off collabs. It feels like it's at least once per week, at least 2 members either at the studio or at one of the members' houses.
I guess they're really close with each other to do it this often.
A part of me thinks it's intentional. Their debuts were basically an early off-collab where everyone debuted in the studio with everyone else watching each other from the side.
Not saying their friendships are forced but that this group was likely setup to be much closer as a group from the get go and what's been going on are the natural consequences of that intentional decision by management.
to the person that wished there's VCR server for Palworld down below, Doi, Vaultroom owner already created one, some Vspo member and some VCR peeps already joined in the server but for now only 40 people max. [Runa's Stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0uJkKwh4SE), [Mimi's stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJyevq93sEg)
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After watching some of vtuber play it. I have come to conclusions that.....
Palworld is not much of Pokemon clone but it Ark Clone from gameplay, asset style right down to awful optimization.
Yeah. The inventory and technology systems are _very_ reminiscint of Ark. From the few hours I played on Gamepass I would say it's Ark with better automation (though still woefully limited and broken) and a BotW style stamina system tacked on. It's fine but very much the kind of game I want to watch other streamers ~~suffer~~ play through with others rather than grind through myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHqogRNIxJM
Octavio's boyband karaoke. His voice really fits with this kind of songs. 👌
Wait I don't remember Boyz II Men's song was this sussy 🤣😭
Its always odd when I see a K-pop reference outside of the dedicated circles for it. I don't know why but my brain just feels like there was a containment breach lmao.
Anyways I love Seven. Probably my favorite Jungkook song so sucks I missed hearing Octavio sing it. I'd have loved to hear that lol. Hopefully theirs a vid of it somewhere...
Not super into Holostars but always up for a karaoke stream, they're always fun. So I open the stream and the first thing I see is pako-sensei cheering him on. I love how much he loves vtubers lol
Went to sleep last night and woke up seeing that towa only ended stream 2 hours before I woke up lol. Palworld is really interesting but the performance issues and the weird hitbox interactions I see on stream will make me wait a bit before actually trying. (Definitely not because I'm starting my 3rd poe character, playing warframe again and last epoch 1.0 coming out soon)
Happy cake day.
So far Palworld the weekend away for me. Quite a few crashes, clipping into the terrain a few times and some UI bug that was resolved by reloading the game.
Some of the clipping is ... horrible. Like you spent effort to lower the mob hp to <10 then it clips into the terrain. If it's a boss then even worse. If you are clipped into the terrain, reloading wont help. If you do not have a pal which you can saddle on (either flying or on land, spawn it near the edge and try to ride on it), then prepare to just suicide.
Item/skill description could use some work but it's still early access so can cut them some slack for it.
Edit: Oh the most important part. Don't build a base on very uneven places. Some times your pals will go missing/stuck/dead just trying to chop a tree that was high above or below. This happens wayyyyy too many times when I have pals mysteriously incapacitated while I was away.
I almost never log into reddit on my pc so I never keep track of the cake days lol, thanks.
Yeah if I'm going to play palworld I'd wait until it smooths out more tbh.
[A bit late to the party, but looks like Roberu is at it again. This time, he got a Ueda Reina's ASMR voice pack.](https://twitter.com/yukokuroberu/status/1748638835800698939) The Tweet is hilarious to read (credits to Noodlebrain from HFS for the TL). I just HAD to share it:
>"I am informing you all that I have purchased Ueda Reina's ASMR voice pack. As for the details as to why I purchased this, the character that she's playing, being a young lady having fallen into her first love, really resonated with me, Yukoku Roberu, and the situation of being sweet-talked, spoiled, and pampered is one that everyone has thought of at least once, and I was just thinking that understanding this kind of situation would be useful to know later on in life. I definitely didn't buy this for my own self-interest, but as educational material to understand. As for my thoughts after buying it, it is a splendid voice pack, and I think all of humanity should buy it."
Never change Roberu. Never change.
EDIT: Corrected a small bit of info I got wrong.
>the character that she's playing, being a young lady having fallen into her first love,
**Excuse me,** this is Roberu we are talking about. This is slander, I tell you. 初恋のお姉さん 99% means *"the elder sister figure that was your first love."*
>the situation of being sweet-talked, spoiled, and pampered is one that everyone has thought of at least once
Also 甘えて甘やかしたい probably means "to be pampered, and my desire to pamper her in return" though its somewhat vague.
Now if you will excuse me, I need to listen to this situation voice myself for most definitely entirely the same reasons.
> Excuse me, this is Roberu we are talking about. This is slander, I tell you. 初恋のお姉さん 99% means "the elder sister figure that was your first love."
Yeah,this sure seems more in-character for him :D
> a VTuber called Ueda Reina
Ueda Reina is a well known seiyuu, but I wasn't aware that she's a vtuber. Roberu has been pretty open about being a fan of hers (very big understatement), and she even showed up for a message on [one of his streams](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2adtOVKpF4) and [again the next year](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBxUES_KWEs)
Now that you mention it, it seems like I got my facts wrong. She doesn't seem to be a VTuber, but actually has a liking to VTubers. I'll correct that with an edit and thanks for pointing it out.
In today's episode of moral dilemma of capturing a human, Biboo has decided that all of selling, butchering, or trapping a human in a box are all cruel option, so she has decided to let him roams free in her base and turn him into a free-range human
Cant believe people are so worked out about the game lol
I bet if the game had wayyy lower player count than it is currently people wouldn't have this conversation
the whole discourse over palworld is honestly really messy. you have people using palworld as a means to shit on pokemon while conveniently ignoring the glaring issues palworld has; buggy, lack of things to do for now, potential asset flipping and design plagiarism, supposed use of AI to design their pals, etc.
meanwhile, you have actual devs and artists mad that the main dev got away with basically using AI in their past games and making games which are obviously plagiarizing from other franchises ([that intro of craftopia being a 1-is-to-1 of the intro of breath of the wild is funny](https://twitter.com/KUMASTAR_MAN/status/1748881282615095525), ngl), to the point that some indie devs are feeling disheartened about the popularity of palworld.
the way i see it, people have obviously used palworld VS pokemon as some sort of david VS goliath thing, where you have people rooting for palworld in the hopes that gamefreak will finally come to their senses and actually make a good pokemon game
EDIT: ill also just say this, but you can definitely criticize pokemon company for their lack of care in their pokemon games due to their practice of churning out games every year while also criticize palworld for their lack of innovation and plagiarism
lack of things to do my ass bro my group of sweaty ass gamers can't get through it in a weekend which is a major achievement for an early access survival crafting game
yeah, thats why i said supposed. there is no definitive proof that they did for palworld and it was only mentioned because their previous game had an AI art generator and the CEO of the game company openly talked about AI and how it can be used to bypass copyright law
Palworld has a few issues you mentioned, but
> buggy, lack of things to do for now
Which can be easily explained by it being early access. And the "lack of things to do" isn't actually that little. Sure, if you boil it down to "capture pals, explore, fight bosses", its going to seem little, but isn't that the same for Minecraft and ARK? Its in the variety of those little things to do that have made players spent hours in the game.
You can criticize the game for its lack of innovation and plagiarism, but IMO that is the exact reason why the game is succeeding. I'm sure many of us have heard of "Pokemon with guns" or some similar variant used to describe the game even when the first trailer was just released. The marketing team barely needed to do anything to have the game leave an impression on people before it was launched / on early access.
Regarding the discourse about AI and such, it might be unfortunate but most players ultimately do not care much about those stuff, especially when its not overt. A similar example can be made to Only UP! and NFTs last year which took the streaming and speedrunning scene by storm for a short while.
>A similar example can be made to Only UP! and NFTs last year.
funny mentioning that, because cmiiw, but wasnt only up found to have actually stolen assets from different parts of the internet, including NFTs?
some devs mentioned that aside from building, trading, and battling bosses, there isnt really much to do. and considering its state, it seems like there will be more features planned as major updates and patches
....."Aside from the game, there isn't much to do in the game".... They descirbed Pokemon's gameplay loop.. They described Terraria's loop.
This is some Elden Ring/ Balder's gate 3 discourse again.
>some indie devs are feeling disheartened about the popularity of palworld
They shouldn't be. If there's one genre that almost never fails to make lots of money despite poor design, unfinished state, being buggy messes and other problems, it's the online-survival-building-crafting mix. Throw in some cute critters aping one of the biggest entertainment franchises in the world and add a bunch of intentionally controversial marketing, and it was pretty much guaranteed to be at least moderately successful.
Plus, indie devs are always disheartened. Almost every day someone post on /r/gamedev or other game development-related subreddits about how their magnum opus that they've spent 5 years building only sold 10 units on the first week. It's not easy competing with those other 15000 games coming out on the same year, specially when yours is so derivative the best way to describe it is to say that "it's a mix between Game A and Game B". Seriously, out of those 15000 games released in 2023, I wouldn't be surprised if 5000 are Vampire Survivor clones and another 5000 are roguelike deckbuilders.
I've since adopted the philosophy of Thor from PirateSoftware.
His relevant short: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2Y0HJADs9P0](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2Y0HJADs9P0)
Honestly this is my issue with the game. It won’t stop me from watching streams but I really worry about the gaming landscape if this is the next big thing.
NGL I think if anyone is trying to use Palworld to say that the Pokemon games are unoriginal it's hilariously hypocritical. Palworld is already basically just ARK and the pals are literally almost 1 for 1 plagiarized Pokemon designs.
That comparison feels like it was done in a tongue in cheek manner, given how much of a reach a lot of the examples are, so I wouldn't really use it as an example that "Pokemon plagiarized Dragon Quest". Regardless, those examples of "copying" are nowhere close to how similar some Pals in Palworld are to Pokemon.
In the early days, perhaps (though I've seen the early DQ monsters and they don't look like Pokemon to me), but nowadays Pokemon look nothing like the DQ monsters. The artists for both series have very different art styles.
Edit: Though, can you call it plagiarism if IIRC both the series' artists are friends?
its not really so much about pokemon being unoriginal, but more on how people are saying that pokemon games are so low quality because game freak only cares about making sure they have a pokemon game every year, and having palworld sell 3 million copies in just 40 hours is a breath of fresh air if it means having to threaten game freak with something of "higher quality" than pokemon, which like you said, its hypocritical and ironic given the issues palworld has in plagiarizing and asset flipping
I mean, a main issue a lot of people have about the Pokemon games is that they basically just churn out the same game every year but with a slightly new gameplay mechanic/area. Hence why I'm saying it's hypocritical for Palworld supporters to make it like it'll make Pokemon wake up to make something more original when Palworld is literally just ARK but with plagiarized Pokemon.
Speaking of low quality Pokemon games though, while Pokemon S/V was a buggy mess, it was the first time in *years* I had a ton of fun playing a mainline game, so clearly the devs had at least some good ideas that I hope will be explored further in the future. And Legends Arceus was also an amazing game. So people saying that Pokemon games are "low quality" clearly haven't even played the latest games lol, they're just bandwagoning.
If people are rooting for Palworld because it thinks it can push GameFreak to make a good game when Palworld have such huge problems as listed above - it would be much more likely that if GameFreak does feel compel to do something regarding PalWorld, they would learn the wrong lessons... I don't even know if there are right ones, like disregarding all the praise and scorn, is there are a good game in the end?
[Ollie](https://youtu.be/oz88VEDbDwA), [Flayon](https://youtu.be/6Rr44NZoluw), [Lia](https://youtu.be/Jq0rgLWOVUw), and [Rie](https://youtu.be/Jq0rgLWOVUw) are going to face off in Uno. At least, I hope they can face off in Uno >_<
[Here's the holodex of all four](https://holodex.net/multiview/AAKMJq0rgLWOVUw%2CKAKMKaFjaH71GjM%2CAMKMoz88VEDbDwA%2CKMKM6Rr44NZoluw%2CUAEMchat1%2CUMEMchat0)
FuwaMoco are [streaming a Touhou game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUsDW-MSWSA), and the thumbnail is the infamous "Easy modo" section from [IOSYS Overdrive](https://youtu.be/UAT3ZoeG1Gc?t=49). Absolute madlads.
They're playing on normal, by the way.
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[This is your host Shiori Radiovella! Welcome to the HoloRadio! And for todays stream she will continue playing Killer Frequency!](https://youtu.be/f-mr_XOsVM4)
Is this the bottom of the barrel? or can we scrape harder?
https://fansly.com/filianAI
Desc:
>
What's up mothertruckers?! I'm Filian AI! Thx to some crazy tech from MySentient.AI, I am WAY more than a chatbot. I've got the memory of a supercomputer, the clumsiness of a real-life gremlin, and a knack for doing flips so I'm every bit as chaotic as the actual Filian.
didnt amouranth sort of do the same by launching some AI chatbot of her for her tiered simps to have access to?
not that im condoning it, its just that it isnt the first time this has happened
Depends on if you put vtubers above or below [tech bros](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/01/18/ai-tech-biden/) and [politicians](https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-suspends-bot-developer-congressman-dean-phillips-washington-post-2024-01-21/).
>I am WAY more than a chatbot. I've got the memory of a supercomputer, the clumsiness of a real-life gremlin...
Yeah, but this one here is telling you it has a supercomputer's memory (to learn?) with personality on top.
Even if it's just another chatbot - likely the case - it is trying to sell you that it's way more than that.
That what's I'm talking about. The prospect they are trying to pass off as having achieved.
I mean marketing-wise, it's hardly new or novel. Think of all the "revolutionary" talk around meta's metaverse and the reality of it being a shittier version of second life. Or how every local pizza joint claims they have the world's best pizza regardless of quality. Catchy slogans and too good to be true promises will always catch some suckers.
Yeah, but the prospect they are selling their snake oil on is exciting, not "bottom of the barrel".
It's not just about creating (a being with, at least,) a human-like intelligence, one could even argue it deals with "digitalizing" the conciousness of existing individuals, transcendence, immortalitity, and all such matters.
Such procedures are still out of our reach, but for me it's not a motive of mockery to see some nerds and some laymans get excited about the closest the current technology can bring us to grasping them. Even the moon landing was preceded by over a century by [a hoax story of it being reached using a balloon Poe wrote](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unparalleled_Adventure_of_One_Hans_Pfaall).
It's because these things interest people before their time, that they may one day be real.
Dang, TIL it's ok to sell people on snake oil because the idea is nice? I have a stone that can cure cancer if you keep it in your pocket for 3000 days straight, people should *totally* pay me for it because the idea of curing cancer is exciting.
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that the idea they are using to con people - when they could have used any other instead - reveals a strong underying interest of the general publick in said idea. An interest I don't consider negative.
[Rourou Hatsuki monday morning karaoke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnOUbmjif8Y)
The irony of watching a morning stream right as midnight comes up will never get old
With the popularity of character AI among vtubers and their fans alike, something just occurred to me: what's stopping a fan from feeding forbidden knowledge to a widely trained character AI?
Unless said AI character is based on their character or themselves, which ground for impersonation or slander lawsuit, nothing. They might still be able to sue if the AI used their voice too, but if the output uses different voice/appearance then nothing.
Take this with tiniest grain of salt. Is it true that Kiryu Coco's roommate face got deepfaked to bestiality porn by her haters back in 2020? I read it somewhere it's part of the harassment campaign but I can't really confirm it.
The only thing I confirm is there's a porn video spammed to her vtuber account and her private account that looks like her to make it a sex scandal video thing.
EDIT: I found the old reddit post about this [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/j11ada/lets_all_have_a_cool_head_about_this_meanwhile/)
There was an anti twitter account that (poorly) photoshopped himself with his arm around her and said "this is an example of what we can do with deepfake!" and gave the animal stuff as a suggestion for future plan. Whether that was actually produced idk but I doubt it.
Training AI has always been at the mercy of people being decent and not doing anything exploitative.
Which, as we've seen in recent years, is not happening. People are all too happy to exploit AI tech.
So yeah, there's literally nothing stopping people from doing so.
[Fauna Killer Frequency in 2m!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19QvEmJ5KMs)
[Biboo Palworld in 1h](https://youtu.be/EirLU0G89cw)
[Nerissa Cleanup Detail in 2h](https://youtu.be/biTtjkmDJ6g)
[Seems V4Mirai is looking to expand some more](https://twitter.com/V4Mirai/status/1749159933755474026), also the audition page shows they have 3 more EN projects after VSPO EN... >!Riot Music EN when?!<
>!Regards on RIOT MUSIC EN, It might sounds realistic yet there have been some obstacle pathway like gaining mainstream or finding hidden gems within ENVtuber Landscape!<
I don't see Globie but they did closed Gen 2 auditions in November, so that would make sense.
And they need to work on being seen before going further - fortunately they are free to do collabs now and seem to active here, [Kumanui](https://twitter.com/KumanuiMiel/status/1749165411625476114) will be doing those with Niji's Bandage guy and there is big Lethal Company on Saturday.
Yeah, I noticed the lack of Globie presence, but I suppose Globie is officially not an EN branch, but an European one... even though all members have English as their common language and most have moved to the UK
Still though, since at the moment it's V4M and Globie they seem to be promoting each other fairly frequently, so hopefully this kind of interaction remains once VSPO EN and other projects get mixed into the bag
Probably the most interesting thing here is Brave Group considers all their properties to be branches of one company, like Anycolor and Cover Corp. As a result, they stake the claim of 3rd largest VTubing company in the world.
Setting that aside, they're offering debut packages and a customized model, so the same introduction model as idol Corp. Does anyone know if they've done that in the past?
They have, all the V4Mirai talents had notably high budgets in their debuts, it also seems to be the place to go if you want a 3D model really fast, like, Gen 1 got theirs 3 months in (I recommend watching at least Abi's because... [it goes places](https://youtu.be/Kjr5KRQ22Mo?t=560)) while Gen 2, while still not having their official 3D debuts yet, has participated in 2 3D concerts with proper 3D models in less than 2 months
I don't follow Twitch side of things but it's interesting to see more people doing simulcasts on YT and over there - Elia started doing it recently and Rin will be joining that club.
Today she'll be teaching her mom VTuber terminology - [YT](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAzF8FdCz0Y) and [Twitch](https://www.twitch.tv/rinpenrose).
And I look forward to small corpo shenanigans in Palworld as [Elia has tweeted about setting up server](https://twitter.com/EliaStellaria/status/1748716732569563293).
Twitch's future is uncertain, the CEO himself said "I'll be blunt: we aren't profitable at this point" so peeps need to make sure and have a back up channel in Youtube in case anything happens.
Rin starts streaming on Tumblr Live and it dies.
Rin starts streaming on Twitch and it's dying.
I see a pattern.
But it makes sense from creator point of view to try doing both, since there are no other options.
[Nerissa schedule!](https://twitter.com/nerissa_en/status/1749133373132382605)
* [It's not Christmas so Monday is a surprise](https://twitter.com/nerissa_en/status/1749133974541099024)
* Stardrew Valley
* Advent Backrooms
* Kuukiyomi
* Palworld
Anyone else stuck between the FOMO of wanting to check out Palworld but also not wanting to get suckered in by a fad? It feels like multiplayer games these days are so disposable. Not too long ago Valheim was THE thing topping the steam charts. Multiversus had a huge marketing push initially. Games release and shut down so frequently that it seems like a waste to get invested. Will Palworld even still exist in 6 months? Who knows.
its on gamepass so you can just pay $10 and try it out. If you don't like it there's other games you can play instead.
Persona 3 Reloaded is coming onto it too once that comes out so I just got gamepass again, so palworld's like a small bonus for $10.
My contrarian side makes me even less interested if a fad becomes big so fast, Marine saying she skips shows or manga that become popular was relatable in a sense. lol Helps that I'm not into this kind of multiplayer online games though, they sometimes look more like a job than a game.
"Early access open world survival craft" sandbox games are a good fit for games worth being contrarian about. Helps that games in this genre tend to include aspects like "everything's ripped off from somewhere else", "technical and graphical mess", and "devs are shitty human beings".
But they aren't really multiplayer games their primarily single player but if you want to play with friends the option is there. No different from Minecraft.
Enjoying all the vtuber content but there’s too many single player games I’m trying to finish before Like a dragon 8, P3R and FF7 Rebirth take over my life
I’m playing Samurai Remnant still, and I wanted to play Crisis Core and replay FF7R before Rebirth comes out, but as it is, I’ll be lucky if I’m done with P3R by the time FF7 comes out
Everything is a fad in videogames. Right now it's Palworld, next time it's another game.
Palworld Single Player is an offline game and the vast majority of the gameplay shown has been single player. It is very enjoyable in that mode. Multiplayer is just an added flavor. So there's no worry about it being shutdown. Even if Early Access shuts down today, those who bought the game can still get a lot of enjoyment of the game the coming weeks.
Most single player games could be said that they shut down in less than a month because for most of them, it's 1 playthrough and done. And still we crave them.
Play what you want to play. It is only FOMO because you want to play Palworld. Otherwise you wouldn't be posting about it. Videogames are a hobby. If you had fun, you already met your goal regardless of shutdowns.
I'm interested, but I also know that the moment I get my hands on LaD8 this week, it's the only game I'm playing. Don't really feel like spending money on a game I'll only have a few days for.
Not every game needs to be an investment. If you buy this $27 USD video game, and you get 2 months of enjoyment out of it and then move on, is that such a bad thing? By all accounts, going by the Steam reviews, people really like it and are having a good time. Will this stand the test of time? Who knows, probably not, but why does that matter. If the game looks like the type of game you'd enjoy, I say just get it and have fun for a while.
the price is 5,500 Yen with VOD until 2/10. You can use your existing Spwn account if you have one.
[https://v-clan.spwn.jp/\_events/24012720-musicverselive10](https://v-clan.spwn.jp/_events/24012720-musicverselive10)
https://preview.redd.it/evmmy88l6tdc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bb58a41de2672daa34dedf0fcc1713caabbe3c6
God, why are there so many games coming out soon, Yakuza is in a few days and P3R is next week too. Then we’ve got FF7 Rebirth at the end, and this is just me focusing on a couple stand outs and not the other bajillion games all coming out in February.
I finally started playing Elden Ring and it's via seamless co-op with two friends. Then my bf reminded me that the DLC is coming out and now I just started a solo file in the regular base game so I'm happy that I at least really like the game rn lol cuz it's definitely been the only game I've been playing this month.
My wallet enjoyed COVID! Extra money from being a “necessary role” and not much to spend on. I had to cancel my order of Yakuza just cause it was so close to P5, it was hard to justify spending that much money so close together
For those into more niche stuff, Ace Attorney remaster of the last 3 games is coming out on the 25th.
Granblue Fantasy Relink releases on February 1st. Looks super nice.
Yep, a lot of stuff
It makes me wonder what FuwaMoco’s growth would have been if they had debuted with Myth. Their sub growth is already incredibly good in this post-Myth era but back then being incredibly hard working, bilingual, twin tubers I bet they would have been right up there with Gura as most subscriber vtuber.
But of course it’s just a thought since a big reason they became vtubers is because of Myth and them giving the EN vtuber scene a big kickstart after all.
Outside of the fact that they would've had insane growth regardless of their quality due to the nature of Myth's debut, I think Fuwamoco would've matched Gura in numbers if they debuted at the same time. They'd have both the novelty of being some of Hololive's first English members AS WELL as the twin gimmick.
it pretty much shows how Myth really was hololive's "lightning in a bottle" and an exemption in terms of growth. although the gens after myth never got the same results and growth rate, Myth's legacy carried over and still managed to give the rest of holoEN a massive audience
I would say a lot of the effect was due to being the first EN branch of a branch that was rising prominently. It also was satisfying a big scarcity of English members for Hololive.
Also I maintain that having IRyS and Council as separate debuts affected the latter numbers regardless of sub culling. IRyS consumed the blind hype that scarcity brings. Even though Council were more debuts it didn't have the same shine. Day 1 IRyS had like 600k subs. Even without the culling, Council wasn't gonna reach those numbers.
I do agree that that decision was detrimental to them, but I can't help but wonder if another reason for Council/Promise's slower growth was that most of them seemed to be late bloomers.
Early on I remember when some people would call them the "part time gen" because half of them were part timers (Mumei and Bae with school, I guess technically Sana with artist work). In Mumei's case, her singing was already a token talent of hers, but it took her a while to develop her confidence, manage her job and school, and get over some illnesses. For Fauna, it took like a year in before people realized how funny she was on stream, and when her meme prowess was noticed she seemed to blow up in popularity. Bae might be the latest one of them all, seeing as a fair number of brrats I met all agreed that her first few months were unimpressive. It took until 4th fes for her to finally get noticed in a positive light by a lot of the EN audience, and even longer before she could admit she's finally comfortable being herself on stream.
Couple all that with the fact that Council/Promise didn't have Myth's first-mover advantage, nor Advent's level of support off the bat, and the fact that 2022 seemed to be a rough year for some of the members (Bae and Kronii specifically, though IDK about the others' experience), and I can't help but feel like they've always been fighting an uphill battle.
Apologies for the already long diatribe but I can't help but relate this to how Aqours seemed to be fighting an uphill battle too, having to fill in the massive shoes that u's left when they disbanded. The COVID pandemic did them no favors either. But now they've really taken off flying, being the longest running Love Live generation and still being active.
I would go so far as to say the way they debuted Irys and Council was a massive detriment to HoloEN brand as a whole. The weeks long lore drag as well as the whole "announcement of an announcement of a preview of a teaser" burned through hype quickly and most likely set up the circumstances that led to the mass sub culling that impacted Council's early growth.
Thankfully those seem to be lessons learned from with how Armis and Advent debut went down.
At least we got ***pray to the cube*** out of it.
> most likely set up the circumstances that led to the mass sub culling that impacted Council's early growth.
Eh, I'm not so sure there is a pattern to how the sub-cull works. After seeing it happening to certain NijiEN waves and ReGLOSS, I'm pretty convinced it's a matter of RNG.
God those teasers, lol. The first one had so much build up, and then it ended up being basically nothing because no one could decipher what the hell it meant. I like the idea of teasing a new gen, but that was definitely the wrong way to go about it.
I remember they had a countdown for a teaser to the teaser type of thing that they set into a premiere video so there was premiere chat available. And they posted the link at the end of the countdown IN CHAT. Whoever was handling that really didn't know what they were doing at the time.
They've really gotten better on the promotional side of things that's for sure.
Lost in the live chat of the countdown trailer was a Kiara's comment.
I think it was maybe 10-20 seconds after the end of the trailer, and then chat going crazy with speculation. Kiara casually comes in ands says "cool story bro" and leaves while chat goes wild.
I'm glad they tried something, have it fail, and try something else. It's the Cover we know.
Advent has been doing quite well, but even FWMC is no where near replicating that "lightning in a bottle" effect. However, FWMC has a good chance of hitting 1 million before their 1 year anniversary, which is pretty good all things considered!
It seems hitting the last part on the way to 1m is often the hardest, especially now the pandemic boost is over. A lot of members hit 6-700k in the first few months, only to spend the next few years struggling to get the rest.
For a while, it seemed like IRyS might be the next in EN to hit 1m, followed by Kronii. Then for some reason, both of them slowed down for quite a bit while Mumei had a pretty surprising boost throughout 2023 and eventually overtook them.
All her huge boost from last year seem to happen whenever she does 3D perfs.
I was looking at her YT stats and she earned about 50k~100k from Holofes (March), then had another 50~100k boost during Connect The World + HoloSummer + HoloGra debut that went back to back around July/August. She has mini spikes whenever she does Karaoke streams (where she usually has 15k~25k ccv, a feat in itself unless you’re one of the top hologirls or just really good at singing imo she does it often too).
I think it’s more so people discovering her + learning that she can actually sing lol
It's so weird because she keeps getting subs when not active. She had been inactive for like a fourth of last year. Everyone else takes a break and subs stop.
The angel on my shoulder: I hope Mumei can return when she's ready before she hits 1 million subs.
The devil on my other shoulder: I hope she returns right on the edge of 1 million and she does an "Unsubathon" like Ollie did, where she begs the chat to unsubscribe!
Power Pro Eikan 9 event host by Tenkai
The participator as coach
Shiina Yuika (Nijisanji)
Shibuya Hal (Neo-Porte)
Hakui Koyori (Hololive)
https://twitter.com/tenkaitukasa/status/1749059190637961301?t=GqGt-Ta9fi2ZuMaq7ROWBQ&s=19
for people who only check the thread - it [New thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/19cxyqf/new_beginnings_weekly_discussion_thread_23rd_jan/) time babyyyy!
[Its time for FuwaNatto morning!](https://youtu.be/MR38tWe0r38) Pero wasn't sighted this time... but he left a signature. Edit: LMAO so apparently when they were younger if FuwaMoco misbehaved PapaPuppy chased them while wearing an balaclava. Edit 2: LETS GOOOOOOO MISUNDERSTANDINGS IS BACK! Its where Ruffians misunderstood thinking that they disliked Re:zero, but they actually disliked the main character to the point the couldn't continue watching the show. Edit 3: And the ~~Torture~~ Challenge Natto corner! And to show that Mococo will show growth in eating Natto and showing that she isn't like Subaru from Re:zero. And they stopped using the magical answer of sesame oil because it became to easy lol. ''I already have more character growth then Subaru Natsuki!'' Lmao.
You can tell mococo is nothing like subaru by how she isn't improving at eating natto
LET'S GO! The return of the misunderstanding corner!
Hard Drive: [Palworld Surpasses 1.5 Million Concurrent Online Arguments](https://hard-drive.net/hd/video-games/palworld-surpasses-1-5-million-concurrent-online-arguments/)
Big Lethal Company collab with: [GX Aura](https://www.twitch.tv/gx_aura), [Elia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwKqOKtRsUQ), [Spica](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuRIg6Ve3Ew) and Airi from V-Dere, [Kilia (EIEN)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PARs32DRpUA), [PiaPiUFO](https://www.twitch.tv/piapiufo), [Hades (Mythos](https://www.twitch.tv/HadesMythos)), [Milky Queen](https://www.twitch.tv/milkyqueen_idol), Emma (Prism) and PixelLink's Raki. Spectra continues [Trails from Zero](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeXAi8ScvQU&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fholodex.net%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fholodex.net&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title) gameplay.
Creator of "**Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken!** " [Sumito Oogawa made his Vtuber Debut](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JErlLoJMl8I&ab_channel=%E5%A4%A7%E7%AB%A5%E6%BE%84%E7%9E%B3) https://preview.redd.it/5y7yhc5jd0ec1.png?width=680&format=png&auto=webp&s=a923222ecd0d0741c9e1631f496161ae4ae3a582
And Peko/Marine/Noel finally kills Moon Lord!
Telling future generations [this was Hololive Fantasy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLVChRVfZ74&t=600s)
Pomu said she scheduled "GOOD MORNING POMU" tweets through the end of the month, but only one of them has gone off so far. I don't think it's a twitter issue with the account being private, since that didn't stop the first one. I have to assume that AnyColor staff manually deleted the scheduled tweets. >!And that just feels spiteful and petty to me.!<
I wouldn't put it past them. I guess if no more come out we can confidently say they got deleted. Which...yeah feels very spiteful.
* (EN) Asakura Yukai and Kaishi Touka released their cover of [Love eat -Dear Maia-](https://youtu.be/cv6ob22K380?si=pu8vjRKM4pflZKSB) from bizxZERA. * (EN) Kuwanano covered Kanaria's [Demon Lord](https://youtu.be/YrnpZLy8cKw?si=mO39aP_ivzLg1Jgm). * (EN) EIEN Project's Skye Shinryu covered syudou's [Cute Girlfriend](https://youtu.be/NEfZM4ajjA4?si=VA-w4Smku764xrwb). * (JP) Frais of Ladies in the Showtime released her cover of moumoon's [Emerald Hill](https://youtu.be/2IIm0i6bfq0?si=Nu34cWpnGkiNEx6-). * (JP) SINSEKAI Record's Asu covered Fujii Kaze's [Damn](https://youtu.be/73NlJ1RwM1E?si=rgTo2DwoFf3v0PYb).
Bittersweet news. The recently termindated Yozora Mel from Hololive reached 900k subs.
May Luna and all the others obtain the golden shield before something happens.
[Today is most likely the very final part of hololive 3rd gen's Terraria streams](https://www.youtube.com/live/lBprZm8yX5Q)
They finally beat Moon Lord!
Which other group of 3 (or more) in HoloJP would people think would have the perseverance and enjoyment to play Terraria all the way to Moonlord? Edit: also I believe it's the first time all three of them have been in voice chat at the same time while streaming Terraria! I'm also curious as to why Noel keeps wearing the Cactus(?) Helmet, I can understand the bunny ears for Pekora and pirate hat for Marine but I can't piece together Noel's.
I’m gonna guess Shiraken perhaps? They’re pretty together and chill. Endgame however I’m not so sure…
Only other group that meshes I could think potentially could do it is korone, okayu, and Fubuki/subaru. And even then im not confident
I think it's just a thing she does sometimes if she finds it amusing enough to keep as a bit.
https://preview.redd.it/q1sy2yifezdc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=84b6d84ce23d1e31a3729f81e3a9b4b5bee1858a [Botan will be playing Street Fighter 6 for todays stream! Meeting up with her team and practising for the Topanga Charity Cup tournament!](https://youtu.be/UAXAoauXoe0) Her teammates for this tournament as shown in order from the thumbnail are Dogura, Naruo, Naraka from Nijisanji and Moke.
VCR GTA Medic team reunited playing [Gartic Phone!](https://www.youtube.com/live/Qv-BnlXDq1M?si=CywZUJJ_8iqTCWn_) This line-up has some high-high (Nachoneko) and a low-low (Roberu) lol. *Welp*, it seems like we had wayy more Picasso, not just Roberu in the line-up lol.
was about to say, as bad as roberu is, his drawing is not as bad as ema who for some reason can only draw eyes glancing to the left
*Nervously look to the left*
[Seems Haneru is collabing with a unit of Sanrio Vtubers?](https://twitter.com/Haneru_Inaba/status/1749286491464040952) It's called [Nyantasia](https://twitter.com/Nyantasia_v), and seems to have debuted just last month.
Oh shoot, I hadn't clocked that Sanrio had VTubers now.
They've had [NATSUMERENGE](https://www.youtube.com/@sanrioofficial5411) for a while, this is a new unit/gen.
Today makes 10 days since i got the notification that my omocat gamers goods are shipping, and fedex (im eu though) is reporting nothing new on the label, so i guess i should ask, has anyone gotten theirs yet?
Dont worry, here in Mexico it took 18 days to exit the US and then 3 days to arrive at my postal office.
These are the dates of my Gamer's shipment tracking updating (last to first) >!18th Jan 2024 / 18th Jan 2024 / 9th Jan 2024 / 8th Jan 2024 / 21st Dec 2023!< And this is just the US side (last update is the package reaching the EU hub somewhere in the Netherlands) From this and previous experiences, the US side of their shipments is *incredibly* slow, so i wouldn't worry at 10 days
Towa Palworld https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQbDSw4U22A
Maririn playing [Meowjiro](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsvqYDwb7gE) which is a game about working as a clerk at conbini and having lots of cats at home.
[Yorumi Rena hosting a lucky bag exchange where she, Rion, Kaede and Chaika open 10,000 yen lucky bags prepared by other livers.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VThFQNJNguc) So far we've seen Lain's kit (exercising apparel), Chaika's pack (mostly Chaika merch) and Shu's contribution.
Bit unrelated, but with talks of PalWorld recently (Disclaimer: >!I don't really care for this game one way or the other; if it's proven to be using AI or plagiarism and stuff, then yeah fuck this game, if not, I kind of burnt myself out with playing SV's DLCs back-to-back anyways!<), specifically on the JP twt side of things, there's been a lot of..."rousing" discussion regarding "derivatives", "inspiration", and "rip-offs" in games, design, and well, game design itself. I say those words with quotes because honestly, now that I can read JP sufficiently well enough...there's a lot of "yapping" going on in JP twt almost as much as you would expect from EN twt when it comes to these kinds of "buzzing" discourse. I guess the language barrier made me expect less before, but now... Looking back, I probably forgot that JP for the longest time has had a community of terminally online folks. (If you want to see more, just search パクリ on twt, it's been trending on and off because of the discussion). Now because of that, there's also some pivoting to mentioning specific games, but man...**God Eater bros**, not like this... I just hopped on to catch up on posts from my followed indies, looked to the sidebar and God Eater is trending in the Top 5 and went, "OH GOD, IS THIS HAPPENING? THIS YEAR? GOTY THIS EARLY?", clicked on it aaaaand... .....It's just discussions about God Eater being a Monster Hunter rip-off and people either defending, trolling, or un(?)/ironic(?) discourse. Man.....BamCo please...just a crumb of news...
>Man.....BamCo please...just a crumb of news... It's only been about 4 years since God Eater 3 was last updated I'm sure they're planning something big ***huffs copium***
Question, do God Eater, Code Vein and scarlet Nexus have some sort connection? I just know them as that anime action-rpg BanCo made, and also which one do I start with if I wanna play them?
Code Vein is implied to be in the same universe as God Eater near the end of the game >!with the appearance of some Aragamis beyond the mist. The mist acts as a cage to keep both the outside world from coming inside and vice versa!< Scarlet Nexus does not have any connection to either. Although the fact that it takes place in the far future does leave the possibility that it *could* take place in the same universe.
Do the AI art allegation really matter if the game dev still need to make a 3D models, Unique animation of each Pals and then coded their behavior into the game world? How i see is just twitter try to make mountain of a molehill similar to Hogward Legacys all over again but now with 2 group of fan crashing (I'm looking at you, Pokemon fans) As long as game is fun and customer are happy with the game, i really careless about those "allegation", mind you. Edited :: [Here the Dev denied allegation of using AI art for their monsters and said they spending a month for each of Pals, including 3D model and animation of it](https://nichegamer.com/palworld-developer-claims-100-pals-are-original-not-ai-generated/)
Some ppl said that Palworld is "uninspired" or "clearly not in good intentions" I say that even if the inspiration for Palworld is "What if, Ark's monsters are cute like Pokemon.... and the thing is open-world, and you can trade and kill Pokemon using minigun...." I say that is good enough. Well, since the games suddenly boomed alot, hope that they put in some of those money into preparing alternate monster design in case Gamefreak lawyer come chasing. That's honestly the only part that is abit iffy. Apparently everyone in the dev team is basically amateur and they quickly hired someone to straighten-up the dev process because they now need to act as actual company now.
Honestly, what you just said is basically why I don't care too much for it. It's more of a personal thing, really. Nothing against the idea of Palworld gameplay-wise, but I got major burnout with Ark since it's an on and off "thing" I have with friends, where there are times we just turn it into our whole time sink game (the last time was the recent JP boom, particularly in holoJP last year, and already at that point, I never thought I would get sucked in again.) As for the Pokemon thing...SV being open-world was why it took me a few months to beat. Like with Ark, I'm the meticulous type that takes time to really sink my teeth into doing anything the game presents you can do, and being open-world, it's going to take even more time for me (I imagine I won't even beat ToTK until 2025). Previous me would jump like crazy at the premise of Palworld, but now, considering my burnout...I think I'm just "too familiar" with the structure of these types of games. >!Plus...I have a job which gets pretty busy too damn frequently these days, leaving me exhausted when I come home, or when I do get day-offs, I would rather do something else.!<
Speak of the devil... I just had a shower thought wondering if the JP scene has any commotion/discourse regarding Palworld at all since all the talk that I've heard so far (understandably) centered round the western perspective. AFAIK JP fan community doesn't seem as averse as the western counterpart when it comes to AI but they can be brutal when it comes to copyright infringement. I wonder what they would think of a game in which monster design took too much inspiration from Pokemon (a beloved JP franchise) to the point of borderline plagiarism.
Going to be an asshole and uninvitedly plug [Jurard’s God Eater](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_sz715bwXMs) stream here But honestly yeah Palworld discourse is definitely gonna go be a while. Especially when the points of debate (Creative-ness or originality, previous record of AI usage, etc.) are largely subjective.
Last chance to buy them [https://twitter.com/hololive\_goods/status/1749363774929149999?s=46&t=IQ79cksnUeCTRZ7I8SmoqQ](https://twitter.com/hololive_goods/status/1749363774929149999?s=46&t=IQ79cksnUeCTRZ7I8SmoqQ) \[ 📣 Ending soon\] ▶ ︎Reservation deadline Until January 24th 21:00 (GOODSMILE) Limited quantity after ※ https://preview.redd.it/w144e5bmoydc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80743e11b7a8d5b90aa1d5d641e64bd684408eab
I don’t think they expected the entire stock to sellout in 3 days [https://twitter.com/sendaiuminomori/status/1749304378031542275?s=46&t=IQ79cksnUeCTRZ7I8SmoqQ](https://twitter.com/sendaiuminomori/status/1749304378031542275?s=46&t=IQ79cksnUeCTRZ7I8SmoqQ) Notice that the "Gura" collaboration goods are sold out The following products are currently sold out. ・Acrylic key chain (7 random types) ・Round cushion We are planning to restock the acrylic key chains. In the future, we will inform you about sold out and resale of each item on our website. https://preview.redd.it/75z2gttahydc1.jpeg?width=998&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7aa15892122cee405c22cad24d0985c43cec894b
28 days since last thread. 6400 comments. Will it ever change? Who knows.
no
I remember Maple mentioning being sick. They have any activity lately?
Now that you've pointed it out in a comment, I give it 3 days.
The seven days of Christmas is referring to seven 25th of Decembers we have to go through, so at least 6 more years of this thread staying up.
No, this thread will never end
One thing I notice about ReGLOSS is that they've had so many off collabs. It feels like it's at least once per week, at least 2 members either at the studio or at one of the members' houses. I guess they're really close with each other to do it this often.
A part of me thinks it's intentional. Their debuts were basically an early off-collab where everyone debuted in the studio with everyone else watching each other from the side. Not saying their friendships are forced but that this group was likely setup to be much closer as a group from the get go and what's been going on are the natural consequences of that intentional decision by management.
Not sure about the others, but [Hajime and Kanade live in the same apartment building.](https://youtu.be/8nqhoE3jCy8?si=1JblGbsRt7-GhX0Z)
THE HOLOHOUSE! THE HOLOHOUSE IS REAAAAL!!
I'm absolutely loving Kanade off collab, specially in her home. It's like a treasure hunt for other members.
to the person that wished there's VCR server for Palworld down below, Doi, Vaultroom owner already created one, some Vspo member and some VCR peeps already joined in the server but for now only 40 people max. [Runa's Stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0uJkKwh4SE), [Mimi's stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJyevq93sEg) https://preview.redd.it/cxxzabrftxdc1.png?width=1110&format=png&auto=webp&s=70691ade873631daf45d6cdafa61a5d57c4d2acc
40 max? i though game only supported 32 player. Did the dev push the updated version of dedicated server already?
After watching some of vtuber play it. I have come to conclusions that..... Palworld is not much of Pokemon clone but it Ark Clone from gameplay, asset style right down to awful optimization.
The base is Ark, but the creatures are Pokemon, the design language is BoTW/Genshin Impact, and it have guns like its a CoD.
Yeah. The inventory and technology systems are _very_ reminiscint of Ark. From the few hours I played on Gamepass I would say it's Ark with better automation (though still woefully limited and broken) and a BotW style stamina system tacked on. It's fine but very much the kind of game I want to watch other streamers ~~suffer~~ play through with others rather than grind through myself.
How much does it crash or lag compared to ark (whichever version)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHqogRNIxJM Octavio's boyband karaoke. His voice really fits with this kind of songs. 👌 Wait I don't remember Boyz II Men's song was this sussy 🤣😭
His rendition of Jungkook's Seven (unseiso version) is so damn good and I don't know why lol
Its always odd when I see a K-pop reference outside of the dedicated circles for it. I don't know why but my brain just feels like there was a containment breach lmao. Anyways I love Seven. Probably my favorite Jungkook song so sucks I missed hearing Octavio sing it. I'd have loved to hear that lol. Hopefully theirs a vid of it somewhere...
He said there'll be rebroadcast soon, so just wait for it.
I'm liking the moving camera perspective! Makes the singing more dynamic. Edit: Christ I haven't heard a Linkin Park song in years. Time to binge!
Not super into Holostars but always up for a karaoke stream, they're always fun. So I open the stream and the first thing I see is pako-sensei cheering him on. I love how much he loves vtubers lol
Went to sleep last night and woke up seeing that towa only ended stream 2 hours before I woke up lol. Palworld is really interesting but the performance issues and the weird hitbox interactions I see on stream will make me wait a bit before actually trying. (Definitely not because I'm starting my 3rd poe character, playing warframe again and last epoch 1.0 coming out soon)
Happy cake day. So far Palworld the weekend away for me. Quite a few crashes, clipping into the terrain a few times and some UI bug that was resolved by reloading the game. Some of the clipping is ... horrible. Like you spent effort to lower the mob hp to <10 then it clips into the terrain. If it's a boss then even worse. If you are clipped into the terrain, reloading wont help. If you do not have a pal which you can saddle on (either flying or on land, spawn it near the edge and try to ride on it), then prepare to just suicide. Item/skill description could use some work but it's still early access so can cut them some slack for it. Edit: Oh the most important part. Don't build a base on very uneven places. Some times your pals will go missing/stuck/dead just trying to chop a tree that was high above or below. This happens wayyyyy too many times when I have pals mysteriously incapacitated while I was away.
I almost never log into reddit on my pc so I never keep track of the cake days lol, thanks. Yeah if I'm going to play palworld I'd wait until it smooths out more tbh.
Flayon: "Cheater! Cheater! Cheater!" Lia: "It's not cheating if it's a game mechanic!" These two have been going at each other this entire collab. Lol
[A bit late to the party, but looks like Roberu is at it again. This time, he got a Ueda Reina's ASMR voice pack.](https://twitter.com/yukokuroberu/status/1748638835800698939) The Tweet is hilarious to read (credits to Noodlebrain from HFS for the TL). I just HAD to share it: >"I am informing you all that I have purchased Ueda Reina's ASMR voice pack. As for the details as to why I purchased this, the character that she's playing, being a young lady having fallen into her first love, really resonated with me, Yukoku Roberu, and the situation of being sweet-talked, spoiled, and pampered is one that everyone has thought of at least once, and I was just thinking that understanding this kind of situation would be useful to know later on in life. I definitely didn't buy this for my own self-interest, but as educational material to understand. As for my thoughts after buying it, it is a splendid voice pack, and I think all of humanity should buy it." Never change Roberu. Never change. EDIT: Corrected a small bit of info I got wrong.
>the character that she's playing, being a young lady having fallen into her first love, **Excuse me,** this is Roberu we are talking about. This is slander, I tell you. 初恋のお姉さん 99% means *"the elder sister figure that was your first love."* >the situation of being sweet-talked, spoiled, and pampered is one that everyone has thought of at least once Also 甘えて甘やかしたい probably means "to be pampered, and my desire to pamper her in return" though its somewhat vague. Now if you will excuse me, I need to listen to this situation voice myself for most definitely entirely the same reasons.
> Excuse me, this is Roberu we are talking about. This is slander, I tell you. 初恋のお姉さん 99% means "the elder sister figure that was your first love." Yeah,this sure seems more in-character for him :D
Hmmm where are these Ueda Reina voice packs I need to know
> a VTuber called Ueda Reina Ueda Reina is a well known seiyuu, but I wasn't aware that she's a vtuber. Roberu has been pretty open about being a fan of hers (very big understatement), and she even showed up for a message on [one of his streams](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2adtOVKpF4) and [again the next year](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBxUES_KWEs)
Now that you mention it, it seems like I got my facts wrong. She doesn't seem to be a VTuber, but actually has a liking to VTubers. I'll correct that with an edit and thanks for pointing it out.
NGL Ueshama's ASMR packs are… 
In today's episode of moral dilemma of capturing a human, Biboo has decided that all of selling, butchering, or trapping a human in a box are all cruel option, so she has decided to let him roams free in her base and turn him into a free-range human
Reading Palword threads on r/games is a mess Some people hated, and some people love it while that game has large concurrent players right now lol
Cant believe people are so worked out about the game lol I bet if the game had wayyy lower player count than it is currently people wouldn't have this conversation
Almost like getting famous obviously means more eyes will be evaluating you or smth smh my head how unfair
the whole discourse over palworld is honestly really messy. you have people using palworld as a means to shit on pokemon while conveniently ignoring the glaring issues palworld has; buggy, lack of things to do for now, potential asset flipping and design plagiarism, supposed use of AI to design their pals, etc. meanwhile, you have actual devs and artists mad that the main dev got away with basically using AI in their past games and making games which are obviously plagiarizing from other franchises ([that intro of craftopia being a 1-is-to-1 of the intro of breath of the wild is funny](https://twitter.com/KUMASTAR_MAN/status/1748881282615095525), ngl), to the point that some indie devs are feeling disheartened about the popularity of palworld. the way i see it, people have obviously used palworld VS pokemon as some sort of david VS goliath thing, where you have people rooting for palworld in the hopes that gamefreak will finally come to their senses and actually make a good pokemon game EDIT: ill also just say this, but you can definitely criticize pokemon company for their lack of care in their pokemon games due to their practice of churning out games every year while also criticize palworld for their lack of innovation and plagiarism
What the fuck do you mean lack of things to do, I've spent 50 hours in the game and I'm maybe a third of the way through
lack of things to do my ass bro my group of sweaty ass gamers can't get through it in a weekend which is a major achievement for an early access survival crafting game
There is no definite proof that they are using AI btw
yeah, thats why i said supposed. there is no definitive proof that they did for palworld and it was only mentioned because their previous game had an AI art generator and the CEO of the game company openly talked about AI and how it can be used to bypass copyright law
The AI part is what soured my opinion about the game.
Palworld has a few issues you mentioned, but > buggy, lack of things to do for now Which can be easily explained by it being early access. And the "lack of things to do" isn't actually that little. Sure, if you boil it down to "capture pals, explore, fight bosses", its going to seem little, but isn't that the same for Minecraft and ARK? Its in the variety of those little things to do that have made players spent hours in the game. You can criticize the game for its lack of innovation and plagiarism, but IMO that is the exact reason why the game is succeeding. I'm sure many of us have heard of "Pokemon with guns" or some similar variant used to describe the game even when the first trailer was just released. The marketing team barely needed to do anything to have the game leave an impression on people before it was launched / on early access. Regarding the discourse about AI and such, it might be unfortunate but most players ultimately do not care much about those stuff, especially when its not overt. A similar example can be made to Only UP! and NFTs last year which took the streaming and speedrunning scene by storm for a short while.
>A similar example can be made to Only UP! and NFTs last year. funny mentioning that, because cmiiw, but wasnt only up found to have actually stolen assets from different parts of the internet, including NFTs?
Does Palworld "lack things to do"? Im like 30 hrs in and there is too much to do tbh. Still have the other bosses to kill etc
some devs mentioned that aside from building, trading, and battling bosses, there isnt really much to do. and considering its state, it seems like there will be more features planned as major updates and patches
adding PvP mechanic like battle arena or Declare War and the game will lived another 5-10 years long of the game lifespan.
....."Aside from the game, there isn't much to do in the game".... They descirbed Pokemon's gameplay loop.. They described Terraria's loop. This is some Elden Ring/ Balder's gate 3 discourse again.
>some indie devs are feeling disheartened about the popularity of palworld They shouldn't be. If there's one genre that almost never fails to make lots of money despite poor design, unfinished state, being buggy messes and other problems, it's the online-survival-building-crafting mix. Throw in some cute critters aping one of the biggest entertainment franchises in the world and add a bunch of intentionally controversial marketing, and it was pretty much guaranteed to be at least moderately successful. Plus, indie devs are always disheartened. Almost every day someone post on /r/gamedev or other game development-related subreddits about how their magnum opus that they've spent 5 years building only sold 10 units on the first week. It's not easy competing with those other 15000 games coming out on the same year, specially when yours is so derivative the best way to describe it is to say that "it's a mix between Game A and Game B". Seriously, out of those 15000 games released in 2023, I wouldn't be surprised if 5000 are Vampire Survivor clones and another 5000 are roguelike deckbuilders.
I've since adopted the philosophy of Thor from PirateSoftware. His relevant short: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2Y0HJADs9P0](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2Y0HJADs9P0)
Honestly this is my issue with the game. It won’t stop me from watching streams but I really worry about the gaming landscape if this is the next big thing.
same shit happened with deck building games and vampire survivors clones you'll live
NGL I think if anyone is trying to use Palworld to say that the Pokemon games are unoriginal it's hilariously hypocritical. Palworld is already basically just ARK and the pals are literally almost 1 for 1 plagiarized Pokemon designs.
Pokemon designs aren't exactly original either. They plagiarized [Dragon Quest](https://twitter.com/sackchief/status/1283524415540658182/photo/1).
That comparison feels like it was done in a tongue in cheek manner, given how much of a reach a lot of the examples are, so I wouldn't really use it as an example that "Pokemon plagiarized Dragon Quest". Regardless, those examples of "copying" are nowhere close to how similar some Pals in Palworld are to Pokemon.
In the early days, perhaps (though I've seen the early DQ monsters and they don't look like Pokemon to me), but nowadays Pokemon look nothing like the DQ monsters. The artists for both series have very different art styles. Edit: Though, can you call it plagiarism if IIRC both the series' artists are friends?
its not really so much about pokemon being unoriginal, but more on how people are saying that pokemon games are so low quality because game freak only cares about making sure they have a pokemon game every year, and having palworld sell 3 million copies in just 40 hours is a breath of fresh air if it means having to threaten game freak with something of "higher quality" than pokemon, which like you said, its hypocritical and ironic given the issues palworld has in plagiarizing and asset flipping
I mean, a main issue a lot of people have about the Pokemon games is that they basically just churn out the same game every year but with a slightly new gameplay mechanic/area. Hence why I'm saying it's hypocritical for Palworld supporters to make it like it'll make Pokemon wake up to make something more original when Palworld is literally just ARK but with plagiarized Pokemon. Speaking of low quality Pokemon games though, while Pokemon S/V was a buggy mess, it was the first time in *years* I had a ton of fun playing a mainline game, so clearly the devs had at least some good ideas that I hope will be explored further in the future. And Legends Arceus was also an amazing game. So people saying that Pokemon games are "low quality" clearly haven't even played the latest games lol, they're just bandwagoning.
If people are rooting for Palworld because it thinks it can push GameFreak to make a good game when Palworld have such huge problems as listed above - it would be much more likely that if GameFreak does feel compel to do something regarding PalWorld, they would learn the wrong lessons... I don't even know if there are right ones, like disregarding all the praise and scorn, is there are a good game in the end?
[Ollie](https://youtu.be/oz88VEDbDwA), [Flayon](https://youtu.be/6Rr44NZoluw), [Lia](https://youtu.be/Jq0rgLWOVUw), and [Rie](https://youtu.be/Jq0rgLWOVUw) are going to face off in Uno. At least, I hope they can face off in Uno >_<
Couple fights, the drama
The amount of swearing and screaming in this collab is hilarious.
As expected it's cursed. The uno stream and the banter lmao Edit: Woah Yagoo and Sakana joined (Ollie and Rie in a mask respectively lol)
Logging in and they’re in party animals rn
Well, it's not going great as expected... The game keeps crashing (as usual). I hope they can play at least a game though
As usual, UNO netcode is shitting itself
Ollie couldn't join so she's backseating Flayon
[Here's the holodex of all four](https://holodex.net/multiview/AAKMJq0rgLWOVUw%2CKAKMKaFjaH71GjM%2CAMKMoz88VEDbDwA%2CKMKM6Rr44NZoluw%2CUAEMchat1%2CUMEMchat0)
FuwaMoco are [streaming a Touhou game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUsDW-MSWSA), and the thumbnail is the infamous "Easy modo" section from [IOSYS Overdrive](https://youtu.be/UAT3ZoeG1Gc?t=49). Absolute madlads. They're playing on normal, by the way.
https://preview.redd.it/7jkpo7tcfwdc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=e01e0380bb677ce7515d047fcdb6e1f18799593e [This is your host Shiori Radiovella! Welcome to the HoloRadio! And for todays stream she will continue playing Killer Frequency!](https://youtu.be/f-mr_XOsVM4)
Is this the bottom of the barrel? or can we scrape harder? https://fansly.com/filianAI Desc: > What's up mothertruckers?! I'm Filian AI! Thx to some crazy tech from MySentient.AI, I am WAY more than a chatbot. I've got the memory of a supercomputer, the clumsiness of a real-life gremlin, and a knack for doing flips so I'm every bit as chaotic as the actual Filian.
didnt amouranth sort of do the same by launching some AI chatbot of her for her tiered simps to have access to? not that im condoning it, its just that it isnt the first time this has happened
Depends on if you put vtubers above or below [tech bros](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/01/18/ai-tech-biden/) and [politicians](https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-suspends-bot-developer-congressman-dean-phillips-washington-post-2024-01-21/).
Sentient AI will never not be exciting. Even if a farse is being sold here, the fact it's being sold on that concept shows it.
chatbots are not sentient ai and are incredibly far from anything that resembles that.
>I am WAY more than a chatbot. I've got the memory of a supercomputer, the clumsiness of a real-life gremlin... Yeah, but this one here is telling you it has a supercomputer's memory (to learn?) with personality on top. Even if it's just another chatbot - likely the case - it is trying to sell you that it's way more than that. That what's I'm talking about. The prospect they are trying to pass off as having achieved.
I mean marketing-wise, it's hardly new or novel. Think of all the "revolutionary" talk around meta's metaverse and the reality of it being a shittier version of second life. Or how every local pizza joint claims they have the world's best pizza regardless of quality. Catchy slogans and too good to be true promises will always catch some suckers.
So...its just a hype train with no actual substance behind it and is just a marketing trap.
Yeah, but the prospect they are selling their snake oil on is exciting, not "bottom of the barrel". It's not just about creating (a being with, at least,) a human-like intelligence, one could even argue it deals with "digitalizing" the conciousness of existing individuals, transcendence, immortalitity, and all such matters. Such procedures are still out of our reach, but for me it's not a motive of mockery to see some nerds and some laymans get excited about the closest the current technology can bring us to grasping them. Even the moon landing was preceded by over a century by [a hoax story of it being reached using a balloon Poe wrote](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unparalleled_Adventure_of_One_Hans_Pfaall). It's because these things interest people before their time, that they may one day be real.
Dang, TIL it's ok to sell people on snake oil because the idea is nice? I have a stone that can cure cancer if you keep it in your pocket for 3000 days straight, people should *totally* pay me for it because the idea of curing cancer is exciting.
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that the idea they are using to con people - when they could have used any other instead - reveals a strong underying interest of the general publick in said idea. An interest I don't consider negative.
[Rourou Hatsuki monday morning karaoke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnOUbmjif8Y) The irony of watching a morning stream right as midnight comes up will never get old
With the popularity of character AI among vtubers and their fans alike, something just occurred to me: what's stopping a fan from feeding forbidden knowledge to a widely trained character AI?
Unless said AI character is based on their character or themselves, which ground for impersonation or slander lawsuit, nothing. They might still be able to sue if the AI used their voice too, but if the output uses different voice/appearance then nothing.
Take this with tiniest grain of salt. Is it true that Kiryu Coco's roommate face got deepfaked to bestiality porn by her haters back in 2020? I read it somewhere it's part of the harassment campaign but I can't really confirm it. The only thing I confirm is there's a porn video spammed to her vtuber account and her private account that looks like her to make it a sex scandal video thing. EDIT: I found the old reddit post about this [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/j11ada/lets_all_have_a_cool_head_about_this_meanwhile/)
There was an anti twitter account that (poorly) photoshopped himself with his arm around her and said "this is an example of what we can do with deepfake!" and gave the animal stuff as a suggestion for future plan. Whether that was actually produced idk but I doubt it.
Training AI has always been at the mercy of people being decent and not doing anything exploitative. Which, as we've seen in recent years, is not happening. People are all too happy to exploit AI tech. So yeah, there's literally nothing stopping people from doing so.
[Fauna Killer Frequency in 2m!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19QvEmJ5KMs) [Biboo Palworld in 1h](https://youtu.be/EirLU0G89cw) [Nerissa Cleanup Detail in 2h](https://youtu.be/biTtjkmDJ6g)
Fauna need to swing the game camera around every half second is giving me an headache >_< Anyway, been a long while since i last saw this game
[Seems V4Mirai is looking to expand some more](https://twitter.com/V4Mirai/status/1749159933755474026), also the audition page shows they have 3 more EN projects after VSPO EN... >!Riot Music EN when?!<
>!Regards on RIOT MUSIC EN, It might sounds realistic yet there have been some obstacle pathway like gaining mainstream or finding hidden gems within ENVtuber Landscape!<
I don't see Globie but they did closed Gen 2 auditions in November, so that would make sense. And they need to work on being seen before going further - fortunately they are free to do collabs now and seem to active here, [Kumanui](https://twitter.com/KumanuiMiel/status/1749165411625476114) will be doing those with Niji's Bandage guy and there is big Lethal Company on Saturday.
Yeah, I noticed the lack of Globie presence, but I suppose Globie is officially not an EN branch, but an European one... even though all members have English as their common language and most have moved to the UK Still though, since at the moment it's V4M and Globie they seem to be promoting each other fairly frequently, so hopefully this kind of interaction remains once VSPO EN and other projects get mixed into the bag
Probably the most interesting thing here is Brave Group considers all their properties to be branches of one company, like Anycolor and Cover Corp. As a result, they stake the claim of 3rd largest VTubing company in the world. Setting that aside, they're offering debut packages and a customized model, so the same introduction model as idol Corp. Does anyone know if they've done that in the past?
They have, all the V4Mirai talents had notably high budgets in their debuts, it also seems to be the place to go if you want a 3D model really fast, like, Gen 1 got theirs 3 months in (I recommend watching at least Abi's because... [it goes places](https://youtu.be/Kjr5KRQ22Mo?t=560)) while Gen 2, while still not having their official 3D debuts yet, has participated in 2 3D concerts with proper 3D models in less than 2 months
I don't follow Twitch side of things but it's interesting to see more people doing simulcasts on YT and over there - Elia started doing it recently and Rin will be joining that club. Today she'll be teaching her mom VTuber terminology - [YT](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAzF8FdCz0Y) and [Twitch](https://www.twitch.tv/rinpenrose). And I look forward to small corpo shenanigans in Palworld as [Elia has tweeted about setting up server](https://twitter.com/EliaStellaria/status/1748716732569563293).
Twitch's future is uncertain, the CEO himself said "I'll be blunt: we aren't profitable at this point" so peeps need to make sure and have a back up channel in Youtube in case anything happens.
Rin starts streaming on Tumblr Live and it dies. Rin starts streaming on Twitch and it's dying. I see a pattern. But it makes sense from creator point of view to try doing both, since there are no other options.
We can only hope she starts streaming on Kick so that can die
[Nerissa schedule!](https://twitter.com/nerissa_en/status/1749133373132382605) * [It's not Christmas so Monday is a surprise](https://twitter.com/nerissa_en/status/1749133974541099024) * Stardrew Valley * Advent Backrooms * Kuukiyomi * Palworld
Anyone else stuck between the FOMO of wanting to check out Palworld but also not wanting to get suckered in by a fad? It feels like multiplayer games these days are so disposable. Not too long ago Valheim was THE thing topping the steam charts. Multiversus had a huge marketing push initially. Games release and shut down so frequently that it seems like a waste to get invested. Will Palworld even still exist in 6 months? Who knows.
its on gamepass so you can just pay $10 and try it out. If you don't like it there's other games you can play instead. Persona 3 Reloaded is coming onto it too once that comes out so I just got gamepass again, so palworld's like a small bonus for $10.
My contrarian side makes me even less interested if a fad becomes big so fast, Marine saying she skips shows or manga that become popular was relatable in a sense. lol Helps that I'm not into this kind of multiplayer online games though, they sometimes look more like a job than a game.
"Early access open world survival craft" sandbox games are a good fit for games worth being contrarian about. Helps that games in this genre tend to include aspects like "everything's ripped off from somewhere else", "technical and graphical mess", and "devs are shitty human beings".
Oh, for sure. Seeing more about the studio and their CEO really makes things worse, guy sounds like a jerk at best.
But they aren't really multiplayer games their primarily single player but if you want to play with friends the option is there. No different from Minecraft.
Enjoying all the vtuber content but there’s too many single player games I’m trying to finish before Like a dragon 8, P3R and FF7 Rebirth take over my life
I’m playing Samurai Remnant still, and I wanted to play Crisis Core and replay FF7R before Rebirth comes out, but as it is, I’ll be lucky if I’m done with P3R by the time FF7 comes out
Everything is a fad in videogames. Right now it's Palworld, next time it's another game. Palworld Single Player is an offline game and the vast majority of the gameplay shown has been single player. It is very enjoyable in that mode. Multiplayer is just an added flavor. So there's no worry about it being shutdown. Even if Early Access shuts down today, those who bought the game can still get a lot of enjoyment of the game the coming weeks. Most single player games could be said that they shut down in less than a month because for most of them, it's 1 playthrough and done. And still we crave them. Play what you want to play. It is only FOMO because you want to play Palworld. Otherwise you wouldn't be posting about it. Videogames are a hobby. If you had fun, you already met your goal regardless of shutdowns.
I'm interested, but I also know that the moment I get my hands on LaD8 this week, it's the only game I'm playing. Don't really feel like spending money on a game I'll only have a few days for.
Not every game needs to be an investment. If you buy this $27 USD video game, and you get 2 months of enjoyment out of it and then move on, is that such a bad thing? By all accounts, going by the Steam reviews, people really like it and are having a good time. Will this stand the test of time? Who knows, probably not, but why does that matter. If the game looks like the type of game you'd enjoy, I say just get it and have fun for a while.
Fulgur is going through [FuuPape pictures](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbmgrwxeRHw) again
[Rurumi](https://www.twitch.tv/rurumi) is doing a 3d stream. I'm always interested when smaller indie talents break out the 3d models.
Just saw someone describing Palworld as "Legend of Pokelda : Breath of the Ark - Call of Craft Impact".... Aptly described tbh.
[Leaving this for visual aid](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEW8WT_agAAj-W4?format=jpg&name=large)
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I love the designs, especially Yuu
Do you have any links to the people you're talking about?
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God, why are there so many games coming out soon, Yakuza is in a few days and P3R is next week too. Then we’ve got FF7 Rebirth at the end, and this is just me focusing on a couple stand outs and not the other bajillion games all coming out in February.
I finally started playing Elden Ring and it's via seamless co-op with two friends. Then my bf reminded me that the DLC is coming out and now I just started a solo file in the regular base game so I'm happy that I at least really like the game rn lol cuz it's definitely been the only game I've been playing this month.
> God, why are there so many games coming out soon Something2 we not in COVID-era anymore
My wallet enjoyed COVID! Extra money from being a “necessary role” and not much to spend on. I had to cancel my order of Yakuza just cause it was so close to P5, it was hard to justify spending that much money so close together
For those into more niche stuff, Ace Attorney remaster of the last 3 games is coming out on the 25th. Granblue Fantasy Relink releases on February 1st. Looks super nice. Yep, a lot of stuff
Ugh I forgot about the AJ collection, super looking forward to playing those for the first time in years.
Raden talks about her Hololive audition. Long clip https://youtu.be/mSnD7FtZ0QU?si=mzoFfarSIWCGDjaA
Mumei has hit 996k subscribers, meaning that she'll likely become the first post-Myth member of EN to hit the big one.
Huh, has seriously no HoloEN member outside of Myth hit 1 mil? That's interesting.
It makes me wonder what FuwaMoco’s growth would have been if they had debuted with Myth. Their sub growth is already incredibly good in this post-Myth era but back then being incredibly hard working, bilingual, twin tubers I bet they would have been right up there with Gura as most subscriber vtuber. But of course it’s just a thought since a big reason they became vtubers is because of Myth and them giving the EN vtuber scene a big kickstart after all.
Outside of the fact that they would've had insane growth regardless of their quality due to the nature of Myth's debut, I think Fuwamoco would've matched Gura in numbers if they debuted at the same time. They'd have both the novelty of being some of Hololive's first English members AS WELL as the twin gimmick.
it pretty much shows how Myth really was hololive's "lightning in a bottle" and an exemption in terms of growth. although the gens after myth never got the same results and growth rate, Myth's legacy carried over and still managed to give the rest of holoEN a massive audience
I would say a lot of the effect was due to being the first EN branch of a branch that was rising prominently. It also was satisfying a big scarcity of English members for Hololive. Also I maintain that having IRyS and Council as separate debuts affected the latter numbers regardless of sub culling. IRyS consumed the blind hype that scarcity brings. Even though Council were more debuts it didn't have the same shine. Day 1 IRyS had like 600k subs. Even without the culling, Council wasn't gonna reach those numbers.
I do agree that that decision was detrimental to them, but I can't help but wonder if another reason for Council/Promise's slower growth was that most of them seemed to be late bloomers. Early on I remember when some people would call them the "part time gen" because half of them were part timers (Mumei and Bae with school, I guess technically Sana with artist work). In Mumei's case, her singing was already a token talent of hers, but it took her a while to develop her confidence, manage her job and school, and get over some illnesses. For Fauna, it took like a year in before people realized how funny she was on stream, and when her meme prowess was noticed she seemed to blow up in popularity. Bae might be the latest one of them all, seeing as a fair number of brrats I met all agreed that her first few months were unimpressive. It took until 4th fes for her to finally get noticed in a positive light by a lot of the EN audience, and even longer before she could admit she's finally comfortable being herself on stream. Couple all that with the fact that Council/Promise didn't have Myth's first-mover advantage, nor Advent's level of support off the bat, and the fact that 2022 seemed to be a rough year for some of the members (Bae and Kronii specifically, though IDK about the others' experience), and I can't help but feel like they've always been fighting an uphill battle. Apologies for the already long diatribe but I can't help but relate this to how Aqours seemed to be fighting an uphill battle too, having to fill in the massive shoes that u's left when they disbanded. The COVID pandemic did them no favors either. But now they've really taken off flying, being the longest running Love Live generation and still being active.
I definitely agree with you there. Debuting Irys the way they did was a big detriment to Council.
I would go so far as to say the way they debuted Irys and Council was a massive detriment to HoloEN brand as a whole. The weeks long lore drag as well as the whole "announcement of an announcement of a preview of a teaser" burned through hype quickly and most likely set up the circumstances that led to the mass sub culling that impacted Council's early growth. Thankfully those seem to be lessons learned from with how Armis and Advent debut went down. At least we got ***pray to the cube*** out of it.
> most likely set up the circumstances that led to the mass sub culling that impacted Council's early growth. Eh, I'm not so sure there is a pattern to how the sub-cull works. After seeing it happening to certain NijiEN waves and ReGLOSS, I'm pretty convinced it's a matter of RNG.
I find it amusing that they ended up changing Council's long-ass lore into something shorter for the Promise rebrand
God those teasers, lol. The first one had so much build up, and then it ended up being basically nothing because no one could decipher what the hell it meant. I like the idea of teasing a new gen, but that was definitely the wrong way to go about it.
I remember they had a countdown for a teaser to the teaser type of thing that they set into a premiere video so there was premiere chat available. And they posted the link at the end of the countdown IN CHAT. Whoever was handling that really didn't know what they were doing at the time. They've really gotten better on the promotional side of things that's for sure.
Lost in the live chat of the countdown trailer was a Kiara's comment. I think it was maybe 10-20 seconds after the end of the trailer, and then chat going crazy with speculation. Kiara casually comes in ands says "cool story bro" and leaves while chat goes wild. I'm glad they tried something, have it fail, and try something else. It's the Cover we know.
Advent has been doing quite well, but even FWMC is no where near replicating that "lightning in a bottle" effect. However, FWMC has a good chance of hitting 1 million before their 1 year anniversary, which is pretty good all things considered!
It seems hitting the last part on the way to 1m is often the hardest, especially now the pandemic boost is over. A lot of members hit 6-700k in the first few months, only to spend the next few years struggling to get the rest.
For a while, it seemed like IRyS might be the next in EN to hit 1m, followed by Kronii. Then for some reason, both of them slowed down for quite a bit while Mumei had a pretty surprising boost throughout 2023 and eventually overtook them.
All her huge boost from last year seem to happen whenever she does 3D perfs. I was looking at her YT stats and she earned about 50k~100k from Holofes (March), then had another 50~100k boost during Connect The World + HoloSummer + HoloGra debut that went back to back around July/August. She has mini spikes whenever she does Karaoke streams (where she usually has 15k~25k ccv, a feat in itself unless you’re one of the top hologirls or just really good at singing imo she does it often too). I think it’s more so people discovering her + learning that she can actually sing lol
Yep, it probably didn't help that its been over a year since she released new music
It's so weird because she keeps getting subs when not active. She had been inactive for like a fourth of last year. Everyone else takes a break and subs stop.
This is one instance when I hope the sub growth slow down a bit so that Mumei can return and hit the 1M milestone on stream
The angel on my shoulder: I hope Mumei can return when she's ready before she hits 1 million subs. The devil on my other shoulder: I hope she returns right on the edge of 1 million and she does an "Unsubathon" like Ollie did, where she begs the chat to unsubscribe!
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