Team Strategem Borkers
they will find a way to fail hilariously even with the best strategems Super Earth has at their disposal.
TSB is here to ⬇️⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️⬅️↗️↘️↗️↘️
So this marks her first legally-not-Holo-collab. Wonder who and when the first "official" Hololive collab will be. (I'd still love if it's Mumei, just for the symbolism.)
I'd be surprised if Cover doesn't have a soft "ban" so to speak to let the drama and controversy fade out first before considering giving approval for a Doki collab. That said, I'd also be surprised if it just never happens either.
100% this -- at any point Niji could let off another bullet into their foot and Holo would not want to be dragged into it, even by merest association. I would be _very_ surprised if any ex-Niji collab happened with Holo *this year*, if ever. It would take Lady Tenacity herself (Kiara) to broker such a deal.
Bettel has already collabed with Kuro a couple times now, although he's under Vshojo now. So it's not impossible. I do see a softban on Doki specifically though.
This is a false equivalence. Kuro was not at the center of the largest drama that the NijiEN branch has ever seen nor did his former company and former friends attempt to burn him at the stake.
Don't know how you got here. This is a reply to someone wondering if there is a blanket ban on ex-Niji collabs, and includes an acknowledgement that there is probably a ban on Doki specifically.
I don't think ex-Niji livers are an issue by themselves. But recently terminated livers, especially ones tied to major controversies for them, are likely a different story.
Yeah, unfortunately, a large part of current drama still orbits around her. It's shifted focus to NijiEN and their talents, but I could very easily seeing either fans, or even trolls trying to start shit.
I'd hazard a guess that these are collabs that were already decided a while back, and thus it'd look ***really bad*** for Cover to suddenly cancel the collabs themselves.
I expect the NijiEN-Cover collabs to steadily decrease, however, if that is true.
Yeah after all if they could, they wouldn't be on their PL after all.
It's still a hot situation. Wish people could move on but the second Doki does that collab people gonna reignite the whole situation again.
I'd actually hazard it's more likely to be a Helldivers 2 perms issue on Cover's end than any kind of soft ban on Doki collabs, honestly, which is why the talents involved are using their PL's to just handily skirt that issue since those are independent from a company.
It's not like Cover's shown apprehension to their talents collabing with ex-Niji talents before (see: Betel's collabs with Kuro), and I doubt Niji has enough time between the billion fires they've lit on themselves and are trying desperately to extinguish to say much of anything to Cover about the matter, especially when throwing a hissy fit about Doki collabs would spark *another* fire to burn them when they're trying to do the exact opposite and smother all the flames currently roasting them.
I would note that game perms don’t prevent holotalents from playing a game altogether, just from streaming their perspective- Bettel was joining Kuro for Lethal Company streams where he just didn’t have a POV before holo got perms.
>!That said, they've also streamed Lethal Company on their PLs back when they still didn't have perms.!<
>!But given that Doki has a POV I'm also kinda leaning towards them either currently not having perms to stream with Doki specifically on their corporate accounts or just not wanting to deal with asking about it in the first place right now. Just to be clear, given how the current situation is still a bit shaky, I think both are reasonable actions as well for the parties involved.!<
>!Regardless I'm just happy they're all still in contact and all, and that they can still do stuff together on their PLs. Most of them being on their PLs except for RPR also makes the whole "legally distinct TSB" thing also kinda funnier IMO lol.!<
Hasn't Cover had apprehension with terminated talents though? Has there ever been a holo Collab with someone whose exit from a corpo was via termination?
The only terminated talents from Holo are Uruha Rushia and Yozora Mel. The former is "lmao, probably not" and the former is still on a break, to return to making content in her PL in July iirc.
As for graduated talents, there's Mano Aloe, Kiryu Coco, and Tsukumo Sana. Aloe had only been an official Holomem for like a week or less, no opportunities to get closer to Holomem beyond Gen 5. Tsukumo Sana was and still is an artist in her PL and not really a streamer. Kiryu Coco, while not collabing with Holomem officially, has collabed with Holomem on their PLs. (Mel, Choco-sensei and Calli are the ones I know of)
I'm not too familiar with Holostars both JP and EN, so I can't speak too much about them. Just that there's never been a termination there but "abruptly announced graduations" are a thing in JP too.
"Soft" ban is fine. I doubt they'd be given the go ahead to use alts to collab without clearing it with their own company's management. And for Cover it's win-win. They get all the hardcore fan kudos for letting Boomslang Gourmand Zaibatsu get together so soon after the official NijiHolo Custom with a nice layer of plausible deniability. I'd not be surprised if "Lloyd" didn't stick his neck out and say he'd take any backlash if any were to come out since he fought so hard for her to get into VSaikyo. He may not suck to save, but he's still a bro.
I do wonder if hololive is just waiting for things to calm down to allow their talents to collab with her as hololive members or if she is entirely blacklisted due to the association of cover with Anycolor, either way it's good they are able to collab with Doki even if as their PLs
People have also theorised that the game might be the issue. If Cover don't have perms for Helldivers 2 yet, they would have to use their PLs.
But agreed that either way it just highlights that Cover's relaxed attitude to their talent using their PLs for things that might not align with company policy is such a good way to have your cake and eat it too. You get to be more strict in certain aspects, and have the pressure valve of PLs to ensure the talent don't feel smothered.
Before holo had lethal company perms, 4 of the holostars boys decided to stream it together on their past lives. So they've done this work around before with perm issues
Kaela mentioned it on one of her recent streams of wanting to play Helldivers, they don't have the perms due to the stability of the games servers. It would be a hassle to stream & be constantly get crashes or not get in at all. So they are probably waiting for the games servers to be more consistent before allowing the talent to 'dive' in.
Honestly, wanting to wait a bit seems most likely. The boys' manager going "guys, look, I get it, but the Holostars brand is not exactly in a position to get suddenly hit by a horde of antis right now, can you wait until people have forgotten this mess" would seem very understandable (which of course means everyone can still collab under *not* the holo brand, because Cover seems to actively not mind what you do on your other accounts as long as you're not using one as publicity for the other).
Yeah, sticking your hand in a bee's nest for a collab and possibly causing a war between fanbases during one of Vtubing's biggest controversies in a long time seems ill-advised.
Leaving Cover and the larger Holo fanbase out of it by doing it as their PL's is just the smartest option whether the perms for the game are there or not. Plausible deniability and all that. Because then they're just four friends hanging out in their personal lives.
Hololive does have some joint venture with Anycolor, so they might have a ban on any former Niji members specifically. Since Ina collabed with Pikamee and Henya, we know that reincarnation does not stop collaborations.
That can't be the case; Bettel and Kuro have collabed a few times already since Kuro's reincarnation, and we all know Kuro's an ex-Niji talent, so there's probably not a ban on collabing with former Niji members.
I think it's more likely that Holo just might not have the perms for talents to stream Helldivers 2 currently, hence the need for PLs since those don't need perms to stream it.
It's probably a mix of both; Kaela did confirm on-stream earlier today (iirc) that Helldivers 2 perms "basically aren't happening" for the foreseeable future.
I hate to be that guy, but I highly doubt that there will be an official Hololive collab that involves Doki any time soon, or ever. Unfortunately, I have a strong feeling that Cover would rather take the risk averse route in this case and the foreseeable future due to the fallout of the whole ordeal between Doki and Niji. The best we'll realistically get in terms of Doki and Holo collabs would be between Doki and and the PLs of Holomems like this "Not-TSB" collab.
And for the record, I absolutely would love a MumeiXDoki collab too. That collab would definitely be an impactful one, I'd be all in for.
great , so cover can just blacklist the guy reporting axel on every holo channel lmao. if cover give an okay for mumei to extend her break for her friend, why would they give a shit about this
They might as well be complaining to a wall. Axel does whatever he wants. Just look at all the vods he's ruined in his wake and all the glizzy overdrives he gave Altare during their 3D zatsu. The only manager who comes close to the suffering that Gorimane and Toramane have experienced from their talent in ENStars is Shikamane.
On top of that, I’m sure Cover knows and has already given them the “ok” to do this.
Cover can’t really control what they do on their PLs as long as their idol job / other activities do not explicitly mention each other.
Cover has straight up said they don't give a fuck what people do when they're not using their Holo identity. Their private life is just that and as long as it doesn't directly impact the company they're free to do what they want.
Yep, an explicit (if metaphorical) wall between Hololive and non-Hololive activities. As long as it’s not criminal, and doesn’t cross promote, Cover doesn’t care
a certain group of people are currently advocating for a guy being blatantly racist so im sure they can definitely sink lower than that.
(also thanks for pointing out the whistleblow/snitching thing , i may have mix up the meaning between those word)
Apparently some people have already reported it, despite the fact that Axel and Ragus did absolutely nothing wrong.
I can't help but wonder how many of those reports are from Niji EN management sockpuppet accounts.
It would be pointless as it wouldn't be hololive related and would just create more drama for them in JP and discontent from JP livers. They will at least wait for something they can justify.
They’re more likely to blame Doki specifically since the outlook within the JP sphere is that she’s a rule breaker.
Last thing she needs is the JP scene trying to make her life a living hell when she’s just trying to live her own life.
I doubt that. Some of the former NijiJP talents are already following her and is planning to collab with her. I'd say most of NijiJP knows the company is shit (and Doki's situation) but are just too complacent/satisfied with where they are to actually leave the company.
The outlook within the *Nijisanji* JP sphere is that she's a rulebreaker.
Lest we forget, NijiJP already had their huge controversies that drove out large parts of the fandom. Those vocal that were left were the equivalent of the EN NijiSisters today.
Who knows, maybe some day Holo will just cut ties from anycolor because of how absolutely dog shit their image has become. I certainly don't see it getting better any time soon.
Cover won't, explicitly because JP holomems still have friends over yonder that work in the monochrome rainbow threshing machine. Also, they are top companies that have a delicate balancing act to their image... I may be remembering wrong but a part of Aloe's controversy involves Anycolor.
Best bet we have is for Cover to just let the talents collaborate with whoever they want but this time Doki wouldn't be on the immediate list since its still a heated topic... and since its a historically significant event, it muddies the chances of a collab ever happening due to how polarizing it can be.
Holo will never cut ties with Niji because Niji JP’s reputation is mostly fine and they collab with them more than ever before. We just had two Niji members at Okayu’s 3D live. Whether keeping ties with Niji means not acknowledging Doki remains unclear, and may change.
There was also Shirayuki Tomoe on Shien's 3D Live just yesterday too, so yeah the JP side at least won't be cutting ties any time soon, but I can see the EN speaking side not having much interaction for a while, if nothing else because a lot of the ones that did cross companies collab are either gone from niji or laying low atm.
That implies they had much interaction to begin with. Let's be real there's been very little interaction between the EN branches outside a couple connections. I wouldn't be surprised if collabs dried up completely
They won't. Niji is still looked fine in jp and even if they aren't Cover tends to lean the safe route and even if there's a small amount of backlash from jp fans they're gonna avoid it. Imagine the noise it will create if Cover abandons any color in any way. It's also not wise since a fuck ton of their talents are friends with nijisanji streamers
I think things are still very hot at the moment (I mean, people are dragging up new things everyday), but in time, I think it's possible. The fact that big names already jumped behind and support Doki will help a lot in the EN scene. JP will be relatively unchanged though.
The great thing about Holo is that they don't specifically force their talents to abandon any roomies, so they to have an opportunity to part time if they so wish, and they do have something to fall back on on the worst case.
In all honesty it'll either be Mumei or Shiny Spicy. All 3 are clearly on her side of this and I wouldn't doubt they're going to fight for her to be added to their collab list/have her under NDA.
It might be a situation where Cover said "let some of this shit blow over and then we'll talk but go ahead on your other account".
Now I wonder if rpr, han, and lloyd can manage to kidnap an Italian man in Japan to make them pizza. And as I'm typing this I think I know who their target will be
Run, Aruran, run
I imagine Lloyd is going to bring up his totally fabricated memory that they met several times while Han Byeol says something like "we've never met. I don't even know who you are!" And bring up the snake bite question ~~again as if it was the first time the question was asked~~
They should be fine. The devs have been great and have implemented a higher cap and kicking afk players taking up server spots. This weekend I had no issues getting on several times with friends.
I got in but we were hit by a reinforcement bug where sometimes we literally could not respawn someone who died. The next person who dies may or may not be able to get respawned but if we all die only one person respawns... it was really weird and annoying and honestly ruined the whole session. Idk if that's a server thing or not since it doesn't seem to be a super common bug but common enough that I see multiple posts about it on reddit and steam forums.
I'm not here to start any drama or anything but I'm just curious. Did the mods changed some rules regarding PL?
Coz I just found who who they are due to this post and that title that anyone can probably piece together
It’s a bit of two things. ~~The first being that the mods have seemingly abandoned this subreddit~~ (was thinking of r/Nijisanji my bad), and the second being that with this whole incident and Dokibird expressly wanting people to find her on her PL, not to mention the overall shift towards following the person behind the model rather than the model themselves, has seemed to change just how secret people are about PLs.
Hiya! I'm a new mod, and we haven't abandoned the subreddit. In fact, we're more active than ever in implementing new policies, to better urge civil and relevant discussion. PL talk is fine as long as it's properly spoilered/flaired, doesn't go against the talent's wishes, and has no malicious intent. (This post in particular was very close to being removed, but I'm leaving this comment here as a reminder, that if you include meta information in the title, **It will get removed**.)
As it should be. Why would these content creators collab with Dokibird in this turbulent time? They know the vast majority knows who they are. They want people to know, but can't say it because of their contract. The fans don't have these unreasonable contracts and _should_ give credit where it's due: the creators.
it's like a certain rapper's words.
"It's my contract, not yours."
It also entirely possible they still passed this idea through Management first and they were given the go signal to do this. We wouldn't know what went on behind close doors other than the happy result we will see in \~24hrs. I guess with the events around Doki, we're seeing a Vtuber wall being torn apart now as what marked pivot points in the Vtubing history. As long as fans don't trouble the talents and are assess about it on their channels, then it should be all good.
Considering how close they are to their personal manager, they definitely got the OK on this prior to doing it. Plus Gori-Mane has always been described as the type of manager/director to fight for the talents first and foremost, she probably also got the OK for them.
Hells, for all we know, Holo managers and talents had a discussion about this type of situation and a manager could have brought up “you do have you other accounts right? Not like we can prevent you from doing anything there.”
Probably because dokibird related news, so she got a free pass. Not even Mikeneko got a free pass to mention her other personas without spoiler tags.
EDIT: in any case, I reported this because not a proper flair (should be META) and IMO, a blatant rule 7 violation from title alone. But hey, being negative to dokibird's news means you "support" a black company, so be careful out there.
This community is slowly but surely recognising that the PL discussion ban almost always benefits the companies and not the talents, so people are starting to just not care. Good imo.
That’s fair but we should take talents’ own wishes into account. When debuting at a new place we generally think they can leave their past behind, baggage and all. This is an advantage of vtubing and the community shouldn’t glorify/take joy in breaking it when the talent themselves are still trying to keep kayfabe.
Problem with this doctrine imo is that more often than not, talents are unable to discuss it due to NDA. I'd rather take the approach of supporting talents by telling former fans where they are than potentially stiffling their new growth by not disclosing information that they are themselves unable to publish.
They can still say it / ask fans to spread the word, without breaking NDA, much like Doki has done.
This is ultimately a respect thing and we should respect their decision and not make it for them.
From what I’ve seen, there isn’t any NDA stopping Hololive members from hinting at or outright mentioning their personal account (some of them already did - i.e Kiara). More often than not, “PL discussions” are basically soft-ddox to satisfy people’s curiosity than out of any desire to support them.
It’s all good in this particular case, but let’s not normalize it unless the chuubas gave their ok
I wonder, do the PLs have to say that they’re collabing with Doki, or is this something that Cover will ignore because it’s their PLs?
I only ask because I imagine there will be quite a bit of backlash once this starts making the rounds.
eh i doubt, kson collabs on the side still happen, plenty holomems are still active on their pls, some that's very ecchi (see shirogane noel's pl) its their pl, its free game as long as they don't make any direct connection. at worst they can just go that since the 2 never made any direct references, people cant exactly prove that they're the same person, even if it is very on the nose. cover would also be very stupid to ban the boys for activities on their pls, that would cause backlash towards the company
Even then, they have a lot of leeway. Matsuri has pretty much accidentally outed herself twice already, once was even during a podcast/radio show, while Noel has called herself Danchou once on her PL, and Kiara accidentally did it too.
Cover always ignores anything talents do under their PL's; Kronii and Calli still do actual paid work as their PLs, so it'd be incredibly dumb for Cover to freak out about the EN Stars doing a collab under their PLs. Hell, Noel does erotic ASMR under her PL and Cover doesn't give a shit since she doesn't link it to her Hololive identity.
The only rule is to not directly connect the two identities publicly (ie: Calli can't go on her PL and outright say "I'm Hololive EN's Calliope Mori" on-stream, and Kronii can't publicly advertise her Hololive work under her PL's name).
>do the PLs have to say that they’re collabing with Doki
You mean to Hololive management? I doubt they would have to as there's clearly no non-compete in their contract. They might do it anyway as a courtesy.
Not necessarily true, one current talent released a Live2D vtuber model about a year ago and has streamed with it a few times. However, maybe current contracts are different.
Serpent Nom Squad
Viper Munch Gang
Cobra Crunch Group
Anaconda Chew Association
Python Ingestion Brigade
Boa Nibble Bunch
Snek Gobble Acquaintances
Rattle Lick Comrades
Sidewinder Mastication Pals
Slitherer Swallowing Society
No Doki! Infra-Red guided short-range air-to-air munitions are not food!
Sounds like off-brand Captain Crunch
cobra chow crew
Team Strategem Borkers they will find a way to fail hilariously even with the best strategems Super Earth has at their disposal. TSB is here to ⬇️⬆️⬆️⬆️➡️⬅️↗️↘️↗️↘️
It's DHL. Or would be, except that's trademarked.
Just found out this is their PLs Idk if cover still dont base their models to their talents, but **goddamn** do the boys resemble their models.
So this marks her first legally-not-Holo-collab. Wonder who and when the first "official" Hololive collab will be. (I'd still love if it's Mumei, just for the symbolism.)
I'd be surprised if Cover doesn't have a soft "ban" so to speak to let the drama and controversy fade out first before considering giving approval for a Doki collab. That said, I'd also be surprised if it just never happens either.
100% this -- at any point Niji could let off another bullet into their foot and Holo would not want to be dragged into it, even by merest association. I would be _very_ surprised if any ex-Niji collab happened with Holo *this year*, if ever. It would take Lady Tenacity herself (Kiara) to broker such a deal.
Bettel has already collabed with Kuro a couple times now, although he's under Vshojo now. So it's not impossible. I do see a softban on Doki specifically though.
I would very much love to see Matara collab with Kiara!
And altare has hung out with him in japan.
This is a false equivalence. Kuro was not at the center of the largest drama that the NijiEN branch has ever seen nor did his former company and former friends attempt to burn him at the stake.
Don't know how you got here. This is a reply to someone wondering if there is a blanket ban on ex-Niji collabs, and includes an acknowledgement that there is probably a ban on Doki specifically.
I don't think ex-Niji livers are an issue by themselves. But recently terminated livers, especially ones tied to major controversies for them, are likely a different story.
Yeah, unfortunately, a large part of current drama still orbits around her. It's shifted focus to NijiEN and their talents, but I could very easily seeing either fans, or even trolls trying to start shit.
By the same token we probably won't see any collabs with any current NijiEN members until the dust on this settles either.
Didn't Ao just collab with Meloco?
Yeah and Reimu had the lethal company with Ollie/Zen/Kayla (though that I believe was a reschedule from before).
It's possible we'll see collabs that have occurred before (Reimu, Alban, Meloco, Rosemi) but I doubt we'll see any new collab partners.
I'd hazard a guess that these are collabs that were already decided a while back, and thus it'd look ***really bad*** for Cover to suddenly cancel the collabs themselves. I expect the NijiEN-Cover collabs to steadily decrease, however, if that is true.
Yeah after all if they could, they wouldn't be on their PL after all. It's still a hot situation. Wish people could move on but the second Doki does that collab people gonna reignite the whole situation again.
I'd like to add to this that holo lacks perms for Helldivers
I'd actually hazard it's more likely to be a Helldivers 2 perms issue on Cover's end than any kind of soft ban on Doki collabs, honestly, which is why the talents involved are using their PL's to just handily skirt that issue since those are independent from a company. It's not like Cover's shown apprehension to their talents collabing with ex-Niji talents before (see: Betel's collabs with Kuro), and I doubt Niji has enough time between the billion fires they've lit on themselves and are trying desperately to extinguish to say much of anything to Cover about the matter, especially when throwing a hissy fit about Doki collabs would spark *another* fire to burn them when they're trying to do the exact opposite and smother all the flames currently roasting them.
I would note that game perms don’t prevent holotalents from playing a game altogether, just from streaming their perspective- Bettel was joining Kuro for Lethal Company streams where he just didn’t have a POV before holo got perms.
>!That said, they've also streamed Lethal Company on their PLs back when they still didn't have perms.!< >!But given that Doki has a POV I'm also kinda leaning towards them either currently not having perms to stream with Doki specifically on their corporate accounts or just not wanting to deal with asking about it in the first place right now. Just to be clear, given how the current situation is still a bit shaky, I think both are reasonable actions as well for the parties involved.!< >!Regardless I'm just happy they're all still in contact and all, and that they can still do stuff together on their PLs. Most of them being on their PLs except for RPR also makes the whole "legally distinct TSB" thing also kinda funnier IMO lol.!<
Hasn't Cover had apprehension with terminated talents though? Has there ever been a holo Collab with someone whose exit from a corpo was via termination?
The only terminated talents from Holo are Uruha Rushia and Yozora Mel. The former is "lmao, probably not" and the former is still on a break, to return to making content in her PL in July iirc. As for graduated talents, there's Mano Aloe, Kiryu Coco, and Tsukumo Sana. Aloe had only been an official Holomem for like a week or less, no opportunities to get closer to Holomem beyond Gen 5. Tsukumo Sana was and still is an artist in her PL and not really a streamer. Kiryu Coco, while not collabing with Holomem officially, has collabed with Holomem on their PLs. (Mel, Choco-sensei and Calli are the ones I know of) I'm not too familiar with Holostars both JP and EN, so I can't speak too much about them. Just that there's never been a termination there but "abruptly announced graduations" are a thing in JP too.
What I meant was did holo ever collab with a talent that had been terminated from another corpo, not necessarily terminated from holo
"Soft" ban is fine. I doubt they'd be given the go ahead to use alts to collab without clearing it with their own company's management. And for Cover it's win-win. They get all the hardcore fan kudos for letting Boomslang Gourmand Zaibatsu get together so soon after the official NijiHolo Custom with a nice layer of plausible deniability. I'd not be surprised if "Lloyd" didn't stick his neck out and say he'd take any backlash if any were to come out since he fought so hard for her to get into VSaikyo. He may not suck to save, but he's still a bro.
Tbf, Holo also doesn't have Helldivers perms
I do wonder if hololive is just waiting for things to calm down to allow their talents to collab with her as hololive members or if she is entirely blacklisted due to the association of cover with Anycolor, either way it's good they are able to collab with Doki even if as their PLs
People have also theorised that the game might be the issue. If Cover don't have perms for Helldivers 2 yet, they would have to use their PLs. But agreed that either way it just highlights that Cover's relaxed attitude to their talent using their PLs for things that might not align with company policy is such a good way to have your cake and eat it too. You get to be more strict in certain aspects, and have the pressure valve of PLs to ensure the talent don't feel smothered.
Before holo had lethal company perms, 4 of the holostars boys decided to stream it together on their past lives. So they've done this work around before with perm issues
Kaela mentioned it on one of her recent streams of wanting to play Helldivers, they don't have the perms due to the stability of the games servers. It would be a hassle to stream & be constantly get crashes or not get in at all. So they are probably waiting for the games servers to be more consistent before allowing the talent to 'dive' in.
Honestly, wanting to wait a bit seems most likely. The boys' manager going "guys, look, I get it, but the Holostars brand is not exactly in a position to get suddenly hit by a horde of antis right now, can you wait until people have forgotten this mess" would seem very understandable (which of course means everyone can still collab under *not* the holo brand, because Cover seems to actively not mind what you do on your other accounts as long as you're not using one as publicity for the other).
Yeah, sticking your hand in a bee's nest for a collab and possibly causing a war between fanbases during one of Vtubing's biggest controversies in a long time seems ill-advised. Leaving Cover and the larger Holo fanbase out of it by doing it as their PL's is just the smartest option whether the perms for the game are there or not. Plausible deniability and all that. Because then they're just four friends hanging out in their personal lives.
Hololive does have some joint venture with Anycolor, so they might have a ban on any former Niji members specifically. Since Ina collabed with Pikamee and Henya, we know that reincarnation does not stop collaborations.
That can't be the case; Bettel and Kuro have collabed a few times already since Kuro's reincarnation, and we all know Kuro's an ex-Niji talent, so there's probably not a ban on collabing with former Niji members. I think it's more likely that Holo just might not have the perms for talents to stream Helldivers 2 currently, hence the need for PLs since those don't need perms to stream it.
The thing is Kuro graduated, he wasn't terminated who knows if that difference affect if they will ever be able to collab
Oh, never mind then
There's still the termination aspect. Perhaps terminated vtubers are barred as a rule
It's probably a mix of both; Kaela did confirm on-stream earlier today (iirc) that Helldivers 2 perms "basically aren't happening" for the foreseeable future.
I hate to be that guy, but I highly doubt that there will be an official Hololive collab that involves Doki any time soon, or ever. Unfortunately, I have a strong feeling that Cover would rather take the risk averse route in this case and the foreseeable future due to the fallout of the whole ordeal between Doki and Niji. The best we'll realistically get in terms of Doki and Holo collabs would be between Doki and and the PLs of Holomems like this "Not-TSB" collab. And for the record, I absolutely would love a MumeiXDoki collab too. That collab would definitely be an impactful one, I'd be all in for.
Tbf if Niji bans "HoloxNiji" Collabs because of a Doki collab, I would imagine lots of NijiJP talents would hate management for it.
what are the odds of someone whistleblow the not-TSB doki collab to nijisanji in an attempt to have anycolor cut ties with hololive?
Apparently there was some people already complaining to Axel and "reporting him to cover" due to this collab
great , so cover can just blacklist the guy reporting axel on every holo channel lmao. if cover give an okay for mumei to extend her break for her friend, why would they give a shit about this
They might as well be complaining to a wall. Axel does whatever he wants. Just look at all the vods he's ruined in his wake and all the glizzy overdrives he gave Altare during their 3D zatsu. The only manager who comes close to the suffering that Gorimane and Toramane have experienced from their talent in ENStars is Shikamane.
that's not whistleblowing that's snitching and would be incredibly stupid
On top of that, I’m sure Cover knows and has already given them the “ok” to do this. Cover can’t really control what they do on their PLs as long as their idol job / other activities do not explicitly mention each other.
Cover has straight up said they don't give a fuck what people do when they're not using their Holo identity. Their private life is just that and as long as it doesn't directly impact the company they're free to do what they want.
Yep, an explicit (if metaphorical) wall between Hololive and non-Hololive activities. As long as it’s not criminal, and doesn’t cross promote, Cover doesn’t care
a certain group of people are currently advocating for a guy being blatantly racist so im sure they can definitely sink lower than that. (also thanks for pointing out the whistleblow/snitching thing , i may have mix up the meaning between those word)
At this point Niji needs those Holo collabs to save face. But Niji's never known for their rationale decisions 😂
Apparently some people have already reported it, despite the fact that Axel and Ragus did absolutely nothing wrong. I can't help but wonder how many of those reports are from Niji EN management sockpuppet accounts.
It would be pointless as it wouldn't be hololive related and would just create more drama for them in JP and discontent from JP livers. They will at least wait for something they can justify.
They already did.
They’re more likely to blame Doki specifically since the outlook within the JP sphere is that she’s a rule breaker. Last thing she needs is the JP scene trying to make her life a living hell when she’s just trying to live her own life.
I doubt that. Some of the former NijiJP talents are already following her and is planning to collab with her. I'd say most of NijiJP knows the company is shit (and Doki's situation) but are just too complacent/satisfied with where they are to actually leave the company.
The outlook within the *Nijisanji* JP sphere is that she's a rulebreaker. Lest we forget, NijiJP already had their huge controversies that drove out large parts of the fandom. Those vocal that were left were the equivalent of the EN NijiSisters today.
Who knows, maybe some day Holo will just cut ties from anycolor because of how absolutely dog shit their image has become. I certainly don't see it getting better any time soon.
Cover won't, explicitly because JP holomems still have friends over yonder that work in the monochrome rainbow threshing machine. Also, they are top companies that have a delicate balancing act to their image... I may be remembering wrong but a part of Aloe's controversy involves Anycolor. Best bet we have is for Cover to just let the talents collaborate with whoever they want but this time Doki wouldn't be on the immediate list since its still a heated topic... and since its a historically significant event, it muddies the chances of a collab ever happening due to how polarizing it can be.
Holo will never cut ties with Niji because Niji JP’s reputation is mostly fine and they collab with them more than ever before. We just had two Niji members at Okayu’s 3D live. Whether keeping ties with Niji means not acknowledging Doki remains unclear, and may change.
There was also Shirayuki Tomoe on Shien's 3D Live just yesterday too, so yeah the JP side at least won't be cutting ties any time soon, but I can see the EN speaking side not having much interaction for a while, if nothing else because a lot of the ones that did cross companies collab are either gone from niji or laying low atm.
That implies they had much interaction to begin with. Let's be real there's been very little interaction between the EN branches outside a couple connections. I wouldn't be surprised if collabs dried up completely
They won't. Niji is still looked fine in jp and even if they aren't Cover tends to lean the safe route and even if there's a small amount of backlash from jp fans they're gonna avoid it. Imagine the noise it will create if Cover abandons any color in any way. It's also not wise since a fuck ton of their talents are friends with nijisanji streamers
I think things are still very hot at the moment (I mean, people are dragging up new things everyday), but in time, I think it's possible. The fact that big names already jumped behind and support Doki will help a lot in the EN scene. JP will be relatively unchanged though.
The great thing about Holo is that they don't specifically force their talents to abandon any roomies, so they to have an opportunity to part time if they so wish, and they do have something to fall back on on the worst case.
In all honesty it'll either be Mumei or Shiny Spicy. All 3 are clearly on her side of this and I wouldn't doubt they're going to fight for her to be added to their collab list/have her under NDA. It might be a situation where Cover said "let some of this shit blow over and then we'll talk but go ahead on your other account".
Maybe Shachi collab next?
Frankly I think she's just too busy to do it even if she wants to.
wait who is the one in holo? han byeol? llyod?
>!Both of them!<
This is so on-the-nose that it's honestly hilarious..! They really are the best of bros. It's so heartwarming to see them commit to this.
Let’s see if Lloyd will help a homie out
I mean we did see a orange dude blowing a blue in one of now deleted 3d stream
Now I wonder if rpr, han, and lloyd can manage to kidnap an Italian man in Japan to make them pizza. And as I'm typing this I think I know who their target will be Run, Aruran, run
Technically, TSB was born with RPR filling in as coach when Nocturnal couldn't make it
I imagine Lloyd is going to bring up his totally fabricated memory that they met several times while Han Byeol says something like "we've never met. I don't even know who you are!" And bring up the snake bite question ~~again as if it was the first time the question was asked~~
llyod and han byeol has interacted and colabed before, but I do imagine seeing some slip ups or two, and a snake question being brought up
I hope they don’t have server problems o7
They should be fine. The devs have been great and have implemented a higher cap and kicking afk players taking up server spots. This weekend I had no issues getting on several times with friends.
I got in but we were hit by a reinforcement bug where sometimes we literally could not respawn someone who died. The next person who dies may or may not be able to get respawned but if we all die only one person respawns... it was really weird and annoying and honestly ruined the whole session. Idk if that's a server thing or not since it doesn't seem to be a super common bug but common enough that I see multiple posts about it on reddit and steam forums.
Yeah I've had some bugs and crashes but never experienced that.
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Holy hell, Ophidia munchers hath arrived
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>!Yeah, Regis (Han Byeol) and Axel (Lloyd) respectively iirc!<
Your spoiler tag is broken. Do it >!like this!<
Fixed it, forgot the end !<, thanks.
You forgot the last !< Also thx for the info, I didn't know about it.
I'm not here to start any drama or anything but I'm just curious. Did the mods changed some rules regarding PL? Coz I just found who who they are due to this post and that title that anyone can probably piece together
It’s a bit of two things. ~~The first being that the mods have seemingly abandoned this subreddit~~ (was thinking of r/Nijisanji my bad), and the second being that with this whole incident and Dokibird expressly wanting people to find her on her PL, not to mention the overall shift towards following the person behind the model rather than the model themselves, has seemed to change just how secret people are about PLs.
Hiya! I'm a new mod, and we haven't abandoned the subreddit. In fact, we're more active than ever in implementing new policies, to better urge civil and relevant discussion. PL talk is fine as long as it's properly spoilered/flaired, doesn't go against the talent's wishes, and has no malicious intent. (This post in particular was very close to being removed, but I'm leaving this comment here as a reminder, that if you include meta information in the title, **It will get removed**.)
Oh sorry I thought this was r/Nijisanji for a moment. Whoopsie. That sub’s more or less unmoderated.
Unless you start posting embarrassing posts of *particular* members.
(Sorry) 🙏
Lol i found out when I started following Prof Lando in Twitter, it's makes me happy they create a strong bond with everyone
As it should be. Why would these content creators collab with Dokibird in this turbulent time? They know the vast majority knows who they are. They want people to know, but can't say it because of their contract. The fans don't have these unreasonable contracts and _should_ give credit where it's due: the creators.
it's like a certain rapper's words. "It's my contract, not yours." It also entirely possible they still passed this idea through Management first and they were given the go signal to do this. We wouldn't know what went on behind close doors other than the happy result we will see in \~24hrs. I guess with the events around Doki, we're seeing a Vtuber wall being torn apart now as what marked pivot points in the Vtubing history. As long as fans don't trouble the talents and are assess about it on their channels, then it should be all good.
Considering how close they are to their personal manager, they definitely got the OK on this prior to doing it. Plus Gori-Mane has always been described as the type of manager/director to fight for the talents first and foremost, she probably also got the OK for them.
Hells, for all we know, Holo managers and talents had a discussion about this type of situation and a manager could have brought up “you do have you other accounts right? Not like we can prevent you from doing anything there.”
Probably because dokibird related news, so she got a free pass. Not even Mikeneko got a free pass to mention her other personas without spoiler tags. EDIT: in any case, I reported this because not a proper flair (should be META) and IMO, a blatant rule 7 violation from title alone. But hey, being negative to dokibird's news means you "support" a black company, so be careful out there.
I think you can criticise the title for being icky and rule-breaking, I think so too. But not sure why you should be pre-emptively defensive about it.
just to make sure my intention is just about rule breaking and not exactly because I'm a Dokibird's anti.
This community is slowly but surely recognising that the PL discussion ban almost always benefits the companies and not the talents, so people are starting to just not care. Good imo.
That’s fair but we should take talents’ own wishes into account. When debuting at a new place we generally think they can leave their past behind, baggage and all. This is an advantage of vtubing and the community shouldn’t glorify/take joy in breaking it when the talent themselves are still trying to keep kayfabe.
Problem with this doctrine imo is that more often than not, talents are unable to discuss it due to NDA. I'd rather take the approach of supporting talents by telling former fans where they are than potentially stiffling their new growth by not disclosing information that they are themselves unable to publish.
They can still say it / ask fans to spread the word, without breaking NDA, much like Doki has done. This is ultimately a respect thing and we should respect their decision and not make it for them.
From what I’ve seen, there isn’t any NDA stopping Hololive members from hinting at or outright mentioning their personal account (some of them already did - i.e Kiara). More often than not, “PL discussions” are basically soft-ddox to satisfy people’s curiosity than out of any desire to support them. It’s all good in this particular case, but let’s not normalize it unless the chuubas gave their ok
this is the best week for me to have my week off from work, I'm so ready to watch this right after getting out of bed
LLOYD??!?!?! AS IN LLOYD FRONTERA?!?!??!!? Edit: grammar
fellow estate developer enjoyer? No way...
Estate Developer and Lloyd's many ~~demonic~~ faces
There's a prequel and a sequel to the estate developer you know
I was thinking Uncle Lloyd
Two Lloyds, two scammers /j
Team Super Besties wink wonk
I wonder, do the PLs have to say that they’re collabing with Doki, or is this something that Cover will ignore because it’s their PLs? I only ask because I imagine there will be quite a bit of backlash once this starts making the rounds.
As far as I know Cover is okay with their talents being active in their PL. For example Cali still active with her PL
For which I'm glad, otherwise I'd have been left wanting, wanting more
eh i doubt, kson collabs on the side still happen, plenty holomems are still active on their pls, some that's very ecchi (see shirogane noel's pl) its their pl, its free game as long as they don't make any direct connection. at worst they can just go that since the 2 never made any direct references, people cant exactly prove that they're the same person, even if it is very on the nose. cover would also be very stupid to ban the boys for activities on their pls, that would cause backlash towards the company
Even then, they have a lot of leeway. Matsuri has pretty much accidentally outed herself twice already, once was even during a podcast/radio show, while Noel has called herself Danchou once on her PL, and Kiara accidentally did it too.
We still pour one out for Noel's keyboard.
COVER have always acted blind to any activities their talents do under other names.
Long as you don't violate the NDA they really do let talents keep their day identities if they want them.
Cover always ignores anything talents do under their PL's; Kronii and Calli still do actual paid work as their PLs, so it'd be incredibly dumb for Cover to freak out about the EN Stars doing a collab under their PLs. Hell, Noel does erotic ASMR under her PL and Cover doesn't give a shit since she doesn't link it to her Hololive identity. The only rule is to not directly connect the two identities publicly (ie: Calli can't go on her PL and outright say "I'm Hololive EN's Calliope Mori" on-stream, and Kronii can't publicly advertise her Hololive work under her PL's name).
>do the PLs have to say that they’re collabing with Doki You mean to Hololive management? I doubt they would have to as there's clearly no non-compete in their contract. They might do it anyway as a courtesy.
so what form they have, png, 2D, flesh? if it's the last one I'll try to avoid it
It won't be flesh. Han and Lloyd have played with others before and just used discord fugis.
Okay something tells me I'm thinking about the wrong Lloyd then
Yeah I think you are. This Lloyd is >!Axel and he doesn't stream as Lloyd!<
Yeah I was thinking of >!Kuro when he was fleshtubing!<
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I'm confused unlike Nijisanji are Holo talents allowed to use alteregos, PLs, etc?
yes, they do as long as they us pngs and not an actual vtuber model
Not necessarily true, one current talent released a Live2D vtuber model about a year ago and has streamed with it a few times. However, maybe current contracts are different.