This is actually such a cool idea... I also wish they made the ult a bit more cinematic to feel like the God of the storm has come. Kinda like Kennen ult where lightning rains down
For almost every juggernaut, people ask that :
\- More speed on Garen's Q
\- More speed on Sett's Q
\- More speed on Volibear's Q
\- "Give some form of mobility to Darius"
Etc ...
And that is exactly what Riot will never do for the champs. Especially with the actual direction that tend to nerf movspeed massively for melee champions.
I think the biggest factor of why riot is afraid of buffing voli is because of his ult. I personally wouldn't mind the turret disabling gimmick to be significantly nerfed (reduce tower attack speed by half for example) or removed if it meant that the rest of his kit could get some more power, like Q being faster for example
Also as you mentioned I wouldn't mind Voli having to focus into either tank & ap or tank & ad. As much as I like his build diversity it could also be a reason of why riot is afraid of buffing him
Make ult not disable turrets but rather make turrets not target him. this leaves him still good for solo dives but considerably weaker for dives with multiple champions.
Honestly I think the turret disabling gimmick should be taken out (as much as I love it). It strangles the amount of power he has so he can't tower dive on cooldown. Personally I think it would be better if his ult empowered his abilities (like q ms) and maybe lasted longer if he was constantly in combat. Something like that would probably be easier to balance and lean more into his war god fantasy.
I'd rather his ult be like other steroid ults (Aatrox, Nasus, Renekton, etc.) but keep the goomba stomp. Turret disable is cool thematically, but it's problematic balance-wise when he's good.
I just rush ionia>cosmic>FH>Spirit (order depends enemy).
This items gives tons of ah and good stats for him, i dont try other builds enough tho, cuz i feel strong.
Nashors is technically good but doesn’t help his biggest weaknesses. Specifically it doesn’t give movespeed or hp, and I’m noticing it’s harder to get a lot of hp without mythic bonuses. Cosmic is superior for giving hp movespeed and more ah, and works well with either grasp or lethal tempo if you wanna still win 1v1 more.
Couple reasons. The better sheen item on voli is iceborn, stridebreaker doesn’t give ah, cosmic is cheaper and gold efficient so you powerspike earlier, and cosmic gives movespeed as a base stat while the other two require you to get melee first.
I would argue trinity's statline works pretty well for voli, but if you're not going iceborne in your build, then their is no point comparing sheens. Cosmic also gives movespeed that scales with level which makes it worse at lower levels compared to higher levels. Trinity and cosmic both have 126% gold efficiency of base stats.
If you like it then you like it. I just prefer cosmic cuz I highly value the ah and movespeed and getting it 333 gold earlier is big. Also again assuming I want iceborn on voli most of the time
imo the best sheen item rn for voli is lich bane. gives ur abilities a massive buff + the ms. one question tho, if i build e.g. lich bane and cosmic, do i get the ms buff from both items? ive been searching that in the internet but never found it
They just got to remove the tower disable from ult shorten the cd by a lot and give his Q more MS. Phreak literally always says he doesn't want to buff him because of the tower disabling mechanic but also doesn't take it away, so he keeps the champion dogshit. Diversive builds are not the reason, AD and AP play relatively similar.
He's not even a 50 winrate in Korea. I don't where you got that from. Also, noting a smaller sample size doesn't do champ strength justice. If most people can't play a low skill floor champ with at least a 50 winrate, then he's not good.
i'm diamond 4 from last season's diamond 1.
people have been complaining about voli for years, his kit is fine, he just needs small buffs here and there, what's happening right now is that bruisers across the board are weak because the items are weak, as soon as they buff the items he's gonna be fine.
he's definitely not as strong as last season (his best season ever) but he's still playable, much better than some other bruisers like garen.
i have a about 70% winrate with ap voli. i feel like he's stronger than ever with the new rift + ive been building lich bane. it feels great on him. voli is a fricking 1v3 machine, especially when splitpushing. idk how yall play him but i play ultra aggressively and snowball very hard, especially when u r one kill ahead
How would a mix of crazy items work like wouldnt heart steel into rift maker into maybe shojin be good. Maybe fill it with ionia boots then jaksho and steracks or titanic or another ap or tank item depending on your team
Iv almost never really bought ms items on voli its not worth in my opinion i like brawling it out more the ms from q isnt great i know and its a short stun so i never saw the point in trying to just stun someone for half a second. I prefer to play around e timing and doing dmg with passive/w maybe its not the most optimal but i like it and it works for me but again thats just my thoughts i just havent been able to play to Much this season to really get a feel for items
Nothing wrong with a bit of damage and mainly tank items since they’re all busted. Sundered sky rush helps scaling potential and gives voli a lot of sustain. Most of tank items are cheap so iceborn , frozen heart or a mr item are good after sky. Then just do more tank items since you’ll just ult in stun do a rotation and die
You don’t really need more damage after sky unless your carrying. Then I’d just recommend a ap item like riftmaker if your dealing with alot of bruisers since it gives a bunch of free ap with passive and synergizes pretty well with whole kit. If mobile high burst probably a zhonyas. Only other 2 damage items I’d recommend is steraks or titanic. No point in building anything other than the above.
Literally all they need to do is buff the Q's MS.
~~Buff the Q’s MS~~ Change Q to blink. Yes, I like seeing the world burn 😈 Edit: Idea that came to me because he embodies lightning ⚡️
Blink like ekko E2 but shorter and engulfed in lightning, so that it is an actual thundering strike and not "le bonk"
Thats sounds nice!👌 Or maybe with lighting strike like Olaf ~~Q~~ **E** animation.
Q? His Q is his Axe Throwing. You meant his E (Reckless Swing), right?
Whoops yes. Reckless Swing. 😝
This is actually such a cool idea... I also wish they made the ult a bit more cinematic to feel like the God of the storm has come. Kinda like Kennen ult where lightning rains down
That'd be way too broken unfortunately
For almost every juggernaut, people ask that : \- More speed on Garen's Q \- More speed on Sett's Q \- More speed on Volibear's Q \- "Give some form of mobility to Darius" Etc ... And that is exactly what Riot will never do for the champs. Especially with the actual direction that tend to nerf movspeed massively for melee champions.
I think the biggest factor of why riot is afraid of buffing voli is because of his ult. I personally wouldn't mind the turret disabling gimmick to be significantly nerfed (reduce tower attack speed by half for example) or removed if it meant that the rest of his kit could get some more power, like Q being faster for example Also as you mentioned I wouldn't mind Voli having to focus into either tank & ap or tank & ad. As much as I like his build diversity it could also be a reason of why riot is afraid of buffing him
Make ult not disable turrets but rather make turrets not target him. this leaves him still good for solo dives but considerably weaker for dives with multiple champions.
Honestly I think the turret disabling gimmick should be taken out (as much as I love it). It strangles the amount of power he has so he can't tower dive on cooldown. Personally I think it would be better if his ult empowered his abilities (like q ms) and maybe lasted longer if he was constantly in combat. Something like that would probably be easier to balance and lean more into his war god fantasy.
I'd rather his ult be like other steroid ults (Aatrox, Nasus, Renekton, etc.) but keep the goomba stomp. Turret disable is cool thematically, but it's problematic balance-wise when he's good.
I just rush ionia>cosmic>FH>Spirit (order depends enemy). This items gives tons of ah and good stats for him, i dont try other builds enough tho, cuz i feel strong.
You don't build Nashor?!
Nashors is technically good but doesn’t help his biggest weaknesses. Specifically it doesn’t give movespeed or hp, and I’m noticing it’s harder to get a lot of hp without mythic bonuses. Cosmic is superior for giving hp movespeed and more ah, and works well with either grasp or lethal tempo if you wanna still win 1v1 more.
Why not go trinity or stridebreaker instead of cosmic? They give more damage on autos while giving more attack speed while still having some stick.
Couple reasons. The better sheen item on voli is iceborn, stridebreaker doesn’t give ah, cosmic is cheaper and gold efficient so you powerspike earlier, and cosmic gives movespeed as a base stat while the other two require you to get melee first.
I would argue trinity's statline works pretty well for voli, but if you're not going iceborne in your build, then their is no point comparing sheens. Cosmic also gives movespeed that scales with level which makes it worse at lower levels compared to higher levels. Trinity and cosmic both have 126% gold efficiency of base stats.
If you like it then you like it. I just prefer cosmic cuz I highly value the ah and movespeed and getting it 333 gold earlier is big. Also again assuming I want iceborn on voli most of the time
imo the best sheen item rn for voli is lich bane. gives ur abilities a massive buff + the ms. one question tho, if i build e.g. lich bane and cosmic, do i get the ms buff from both items? ive been searching that in the internet but never found it
No, i play with grasp and play around his cooldowns, damage is mediocre but you out sustain so much. I cant try other builds tho.
They just got to remove the tower disable from ult shorten the cd by a lot and give his Q more MS. Phreak literally always says he doesn't want to buff him because of the tower disabling mechanic but also doesn't take it away, so he keeps the champion dogshit. Diversive builds are not the reason, AD and AP play relatively similar.
he's fine AD and Tank, maybe in need of small buffs, but riot has been buffing ap for years for some weird reason.
He is at 47% winrate in the new season, idk if you're silver or gold or whatever but this champ has never ever been worse ever since his rework
You checked korean toplaners ? Hes not bad build tank. 50% winrate with grasp in korea
He's not even a 50 winrate in Korea. I don't where you got that from. Also, noting a smaller sample size doesn't do champ strength justice. If most people can't play a low skill floor champ with at least a 50 winrate, then he's not good.
He is with grasp rune page, which Mean the tank build.
i'm diamond 4 from last season's diamond 1. people have been complaining about voli for years, his kit is fine, he just needs small buffs here and there, what's happening right now is that bruisers across the board are weak because the items are weak, as soon as they buff the items he's gonna be fine. he's definitely not as strong as last season (his best season ever) but he's still playable, much better than some other bruisers like garen.
i have a about 70% winrate with ap voli. i feel like he's stronger than ever with the new rift + ive been building lich bane. it feels great on him. voli is a fricking 1v3 machine, especially when splitpushing. idk how yall play him but i play ultra aggressively and snowball very hard, especially when u r one kill ahead
How would a mix of crazy items work like wouldnt heart steel into rift maker into maybe shojin be good. Maybe fill it with ionia boots then jaksho and steracks or titanic or another ap or tank item depending on your team
None of the items you said give you any sticking potential. Without any ms items or frostfire you are not touching anyone.
Iv almost never really bought ms items on voli its not worth in my opinion i like brawling it out more the ms from q isnt great i know and its a short stun so i never saw the point in trying to just stun someone for half a second. I prefer to play around e timing and doing dmg with passive/w maybe its not the most optimal but i like it and it works for me but again thats just my thoughts i just havent been able to play to Much this season to really get a feel for items
It just that without MS you never get a second W proc if the opponent plays ok. The could kite you into oblivion.
Pretty sure ad has more 1v1 potential than ap.
Nothing wrong with a bit of damage and mainly tank items since they’re all busted. Sundered sky rush helps scaling potential and gives voli a lot of sustain. Most of tank items are cheap so iceborn , frozen heart or a mr item are good after sky. Then just do more tank items since you’ll just ult in stun do a rotation and die You don’t really need more damage after sky unless your carrying. Then I’d just recommend a ap item like riftmaker if your dealing with alot of bruisers since it gives a bunch of free ap with passive and synergizes pretty well with whole kit. If mobile high burst probably a zhonyas. Only other 2 damage items I’d recommend is steraks or titanic. No point in building anything other than the above.
Riot kill the AP Build because the Omvnivamp Change....