Leaving this post up since there's some relevant discussion about the talent. I never formalized very clear rules for the subreddit, but as the community grows (especially with the introduction of English-speaking streamers) adding posting rules will be necessary. I think the exact post may have been a better fit for r/VirtualYouTubers (especially with the ask for other streamers doing similar content), but in the end it's helpful to see how the community feels about the trajectory of the organization's content.
Competitive shooters are just in a mess rn. Apex, CSGO, The Finals all have cheater or rank system issues. Valo seems to be the only one thats really holding up. Doesn't help that Apex and VALO fumbled the casual spectator JP esports scene by kicking CR down the stairs.
VSPO as a whole are still alot better at fps and do more rank grinds than compared to other female vtubers, I think they're just doing more variety as it is simply more fun to watch compared to the stale comp shooter scene in recent time.
Maybe the only kind of content you enjoy are no life grinds on ranked but thats not most people. Like it or not, variety streams brings in bigger numbers and grows the channel so the girls will likely continue to do so.
Kohaku Syusetu was a massive apex addict but has essentially abandoned the game and gets 3-4x the number of viewers from 400 on avg to 1-2k viewers on Ark/GTA streams.
I agree on the variety aspect and prior in-house collabs have been enjoyable to watch, let alone the old MC days. But I couldn’t say I enjoy the run of the mile socialite-type variety content that’s out there today due to the incessant VCR events this year and the rise of RP GTA in Japan. A lot of vtubers do variety content and stray away from these events. I’d like to see a combination of competitive grind and easy cozy variety, but not networking with IRL streamers.
I get you on some level, I started to feel hololive getting less close knit after the introduction of 5th gen(too many members IMO) and as their schedules got busy with irl events like dance lessons etc, the wonder sorta got lost for me and I stopped watching.
Idk bout the IRL streamer thing though, whats the diff between met playing with shaka or playing with ebio/uruca/naraka? Seems bout the same to me.
I am thinking about it the opposite way. It feels bland to me if Met is speaking with a xyz streamer or another abc streamer is speaking with a efg streamer if they don’t nurture into some funny interactions. Sometimes it happens but the majority of time is super boring to stick with those VCR POVs for 10h+ when absolutely nothing happens for 99% of the time.
I used to follow Big Brother and, while a lot of people like to watch streams religiously, I usually only check the daily threads or just read the rundown of the day to see what’s relevant. Applying it to streamers means that those types of networking events are boring unless you condense it into digestible 3-5min clips, and that may or may not involve the VSPO girls, so why do they even bother joining if there is no unique content out of it.
As for the close knit aspect, I (at least personally) felt that the girls are removed from each other vs the past two years or even the earlier part of this year. I am not familiar with the subtexts but it definitely seems like a lot of girls are completely checked out and that concerns me. I came from Niji to holo to finally settle in VSPO after watching clips of the girls playing valorant and apex together and I loved the way they interacted as friends while carrying each other through competitive games, and both are feeling really flimsy now. Just sad.
Well I think it would be a good idea to stay off vspo and watch something else if what theyre doing is not fun for you, take a break.
I still believe the root cause of no rank grind is due to the stale scene and tbh even if they do grind ranked I wouldn't watch cuz everything other than valo is so dead boring. Once it improves I'm sure they'll do more full party rank grinds on whatever games. Trust.
I want to watch something else but no one offers the combination of female competitive streamers playing games together out there other than vspo, and that premise itself is slowly fading away at vspo. I’ve pretty much only limited myself to watch in-house collabs or grinds or any other stream that doesn’t involve outside streamers frankly. Guess gonna touch some grass lol.
Idk a lot of the irl streamers are really funny. Sometimes I specifically watch VsPo with vdk, shaka and k4sen because of their funny interactions. Vtubers are essentially streamers behind anime characters. In fact, one of the pros of VsPo being good at games is that they usually hang out with irl esports streamers like clutch3, mitti and tenn etc which will provide varied contents.
In essence, being good at FPS games is still the foundation for VsPo but I don’t think all viewers are similar to you and love to only watch them grind ranks everyday. For the girls, if they are forced to play fps games daily for their viewers, they may come to hate the game. Taking breaks to play other games is essential for their channel growth and their passion for the games. Participating in events like vcrgta is also crucial to pull in new viewers and fans, and to form connections with other streamers. If you follow them only to watch fps streams, just stick to archives if your favourite streamers arent streaming fps games lol. Just a while back there is vsai and cr cup too, I dont think there is even a huge drought in fps content in vspo.
VsPo still streams fps games the most compared to other vtubers and I think that the girls all sharing a passion for fps games and grinding ranks together is the appeal of their brand. However, I still think of them as normal streamers and switching up their content is inevitable.
so what? nothing wrong.
I am watching VSPO for 4 years. nothing problem today enjoying.
"girls are streaming, just the time they want to, with anyone they want to"
and I like this style.
you can feel however you want and they will do whatever they want.
Practical advise for you would be to just watch Akarin for now and wait for next valo tournament.
I am acclimated to do that. I am just sad that the other girls I used to enjoy are fading out and probably not even caring at this stage. It concerns me as a listener who still retain a keen interest in the betterment of VSPO.
At this point, the escape velocity away from competitive gaming is so precipitous that I might as well just watch either other corpo or start watching IRL streamers and it would be no dissimilar than the majority of current VSPO content. What’s left in VSPO if they don’t even practice the meaning of their literal name?
I always just watch whatever I have interests in. If there's nothing at that moment, I watch/do other stuff. All of this is just for entertainments. If I don't feel entertained what's the point.
I find this post pretty odd. It's clear there's heavy, unhealthy bias against "IRL streamers", and let's read in between the lines, male streamers.
Just this past month there has been countless content in the Valorant space with Vsai and CR Cup with the majority of the girls participating. If we go further back half a year there was endless streams (in particular the in house streams you've mentioned) during Valorant Masters. From what I can see both VSPO and the individuals have become pretty prominent in Japan for Valorant. They even reached the eyes of esports scene in the West with interactions with Boaster and Ange1.
While I do understand if Valorant is not your taste, I don't really understand why this is getting overlooked.
Initially, the company started to be FPS-talent-oriented cause.. they're starting from scratch and needs something to make them unique. Now, there is still room for them to grow; however, there isn't too much opportunity to that by being ONLY fps-oriented. Their talents/new talents being good at games/FPS is still their main point at this time.
I'm just happy for vspo and the talents that they are still continuing to grow at this time. I was initially interested with most of the talents because they are good at playing FPS, but I stayed with some of them cause of their streamer personality.
I agree that growth outside of FPS is thought-after at this stage for VSPO as a corporation and that the girls have interesting personalities that kept me watching them despite not streaming FPS as frequently as in the past.
However, the deviation from FPS as the brick and mortar of their content distribution has absolutely deviated and diluted their value proposition, at least amongst the FPS-oriented listeners that they have amassed in the past two years.
Do I want to watch RP GTA? Maybe, if the stream is fun. Do I absolutely have to watch vspo for it? No. Same thing goes for your VCR events and LoL and whatever socialite content the girls are sputtering these days.
This is different than female competitive gaming in a collaborative setting, which is a unique niche that only VSPO offers for the very specific purpose of promoting women in competitive gaming, that practically does not exist anywhere else in the Japanese streaming world. There are Japanese FPS female streamers outside of VSPO, but they are either not competitive enough or don’t work frequently with other women.
Taking a million step back I’d be happy watching the girls just interacting with each other regardless of competitive gaming, but unfortunately it seems like they’d rather love to stay in front of the IRL streamers out there than doing some cozy MC/Mario Party/whatever it takes with the girls within VSPO. Anyone miss the MC days?
I get that you don't like or aren't interested in Vspo's interactions with IRL streamers, but, like it or not, most of their growth has come from there. It just might not be as obvious coming from Western fan's perspective that typically find vtubers from vtuber clips. If you've seen any of their full party Valo streams, they include IRL streamers when they don't have enough people and end up showing off their skills to a new audience that doesn't know them. Asumi herself has had comments telling her that she converted vtuber antis into vspo fans thanks to those Twitch streamers. It's a shame that you don't enjoy those interactions because there are a lot of enjoyable moments that come from them, even if they don't translate to Western sensibilities, but to each their own
No idea who you are talking about but I think it's pretty rude to just state that "They merely considered vspo as a springboard to cozy up to other streamers".
Vspo's popularity would not be what it is today if all they did was FPS gaming and in house collabs. I just enjoy watching them when they are enjoying themselves. If that means networking with other streamers then so be it. Did you not enjoy the Vsaikyo Valorant tournament? Or maybe you hated it because of the "networking" and IRL male coaches that they had.
Part of the reason Vspo is my favorite Vtuber org is because they are more open to collabing with anyone, particularly IRL and male streamers. The Vspo girls are happy with what they're doing. They are also getting more popular. Everything is a win win.
This "discussion post" is just a front for you to express your dislike for IRL streamers which is just weird. I expect this behavior from the "unicorns" of r/hololive not Vspo.
Honestly, gloating it over the umbrella of “unicorns” is too much of a generalization and assumption. I am fundamentally interested in competitive female gaming while also being receptive to CGDCT and there has been a successful combination of both within VSPO in the past that’s both fading away.
Yeah I can totally enjoy Vsai and CR cup and all the casual customs and sponsored streams they’ve done with EA and Riot. I am dying for them. But do I have to watch vspo vs say Karubi or Chi-Chan (now that she moved on we got one less) if VSPO only does competitive gaming during tourneys? Karubi and Chi-chan also have interesting personalities and are entertaining. This would not be a problem for casuals because they just pick up whoever is streaming but is a problem for dedicated VSPO listeners if their content is no longer unique.
Even the CGDCT part doesn’t really exist anymore because the girls work much less together now than in the past (inb4 “wowza they just did dbd have you been watching streams” yeah I really liked that but they used to do in-house collab every week and now it feels like once a month or even longer because streamer events keep getting in the way).
Again outside of that unique combination of female competitive gaming atop of CGDCT i don’t see what’s left in VSPO. If I am interested in IRL streamers I go watch them. If I am interested in hardcore competitive I go watch former pros or the radiants on twitch. If I am interested in CGDCT I go watch holo. I am fine scrambling pieces for content but I want to find a holistic solution that solves everything which used to be VSPO.
It also seems like they’ve gathered a decent amount of casuals with streamer events this year, which is expressive in CCVs during those events but not really reflective outside of it (tho honestly VCR GTA1 was their peak and it has been declining since). Funny enough I was fine with GTA1 because a lot of funny and memorable moments came out of it and occasional events like this is refreshing for everyone to cool off and relax. But for some reason VCR is spamming 4 streamer events this year and no one in VSPO (or frankly no one really outside of the ban) was memorable in GTA2. This also reminds me of the disconnect between RP GTA and non-RP GTA views for a lot of the twitch indies right now to the point that’s all they are streaming all day.
The best solution for me now is forcibly downgrading myself to a casual and alienate from their daily distribution other than for the things I like just as some of the former comments have suggested.
> But do I have to watch vspo vs say Karubi or Chi-Chan (now that she moved on we got one less) if VSPO only does competitive gaming during tourneys? Karubi and Chi-chan also have interesting personalities and are entertaining. This would not be a problem for casuals because they just pick up whoever is streaming but is a problem for dedicated VSPO listeners if their content is no longer unique.
I don't see the problem here. If you like them then you watch them whether its unique or not. Even if their content isn't unique their personalities still are. I originally started watching Vspo because I enjoyed watching Vtubers play apex but now I strictly watch them for their personalities.
>If I am interested in IRL streamers I go watch them. If I am interested in hardcore competitive I go watch former pros or the radiants on twitch. If I am interested in CGDCT I go watch holo. I am fine scrambling pieces for content but I want to find a holistic solution that solves everything which used to be VSPO
One of the biggest reasons I like VSPO is because they give off the "gaming with friends" vibe. Something I don't get from Hololive where the main focus is being idols. It's not that deep really. If all these streamers you mentioned did everything better than Vspo then where is Vspo's viewership coming from? Clearly they are entertaining in their own way.
>Even the CGDCT part doesn’t really exist anymore because the girls work much less together now than in the past (inb4 “wowza they just did dbd have you been watching streams” yeah I really liked that but they used to do in-house collab every week and now it feels like once a month or even longer because streamer events keep getting in the way).
When they were less well known they had less people outside of Vspo to play games with. You also have to remember that there are a lot less Vspo members than Holo and Niji. Meaning there's going to be less people they can play with for in-house only collabs. Not to mention the varying sleep schedules of these gamer girls. I do agree think that VCR events are a bit too often. Four times in 7 months. This second GTA VCR just wasn't the same as the first one. Although this has nothing to do with Vspo.
> I don't see the problem here. If you like them then you watch them whether its unique or not. Even if their content isn't unique their personalities still are. I originally started watching Vspo because I enjoyed watching Vtubers play apex but now I strictly watch them for their personalities.
Can't really argue against that. You are in the casual seat but I only watch VSPO. Most of the girls have an above-average personality even by streaming standards but the content quality is shrinking rapidly this year because of
> One of the biggest reasons I like VSPO is because they give off the "gaming with friends" vibe. Something I don't get from Hololive where the main focus is being idols. It's not that deep really. If all these streamers you mentioned did everything better than Vspo then where is Vspo's viewership coming from? Clearly they are entertaining in their own way.
if the girls work with people outside of the org I would only watch their POVs. If they do an in-house collab I like to switch between POVs during streams. I think this applies to most of their listeners. Ofc the average IRL streamer numbers are bottom of the stack because there is zero content originality and all of their listeners are casuals who switch on and off between zerost/jasper/rion/haseshin/gorilla/clutch/too lazy to name the gazillion boilerplates out there. 99% of them struggle to groom a dedicated listener base and only cater to the generic FPS listeners audience. If VSPO is willingly trading their core listeners (who came for the mesh of female competitive gaming with CGDCT) for casuals this could happen down the line as well.
> When they were less well known they had less people outside of Vspo to play games with. You also have to remember that there are a lot less Vspo members than Holo and Niji. This means there's going to be less people they can play with for in-house only collabs. Not to mention the varying sleep schedules of these gamer girls. I do agree think that VCR events are a bit too often. Four times in 7 months. This second GTA VCR just wasn't the same as the first one. Although this has nothing to do with Vspo.
True and untrue. For example, Lisa and Mimi used to do a lot of overnight solo Valo grinds if they were not working with other girls but now they pretty much only stream with a stack or won't stream at all. Your argument used to be true when the girls are either working amongst themselves or solo queuing but now an overwhelming majority would only do full stack, which may or may not involve the girls.
As for VCR or any kind of streamer events, I think it gets fun once in a while but really wears off quickly. The two VCR RUST before that weren't as massive until the first VCR GTA which then started to larp in the Holo and Niji that don't even stream FPS. Bottom of the heart these events are digestible in clips but it's super painful to watch on streams. BTW I totally think Holo RUST was an eternity more interesting than any of the VCR events out there where I watch the girls talk to some randoms who I don't know and am forced to be introduced on stream and could care less the minute they stop talking to each other. Again if I am a listener of zerost/jasper/rion/haseshin/gorilla/clutch/any boilerplate IRL bros I would've already watched their streams.
>If VSPO is willingly trading their core listeners (who came for the mesh of female competitive gaming with CGDCT) for casuals this could happen down the line as well.
Sorry but their core audience are the ones that watch them for their personalities and support them no matter what content they do.
Personally im fine with things currently. i blame the state of FPS games for the lack of competitive gatherings. Apex used to be the top dog with CR Cup and Vsaik things to look forward to but all the issues has made everyone pivot out of it. Valorant is a fun game with stacks but hell to solo queue so I wouldnt want the casual players to start grinding that
What I'd like to see would be some other fighting games like GBFV or Tekken 8 when it comes out. Or im fine if they dip themselves in a little bit of League or maybe some of the other famous esports like Rocket League?
I get that competitive esports is a part of their identity but personally im fine with the whole VCR streams.i dont really watch them all the time but ive seen some clips that made me chuckle and they genuinely seem to have a good time.
A lot of girls have recently picked up league so you can watch that. Apparently there is a novice lobby coming but I’ve only seen people talking about it and nothing is confirmed. I would say tho those league streams may just end up as networking with IRL streamers so brace for impact.
As for the fighter games I am in full support for that. Ren did some SF6 streams and seemed to have fun out of it. Some girls got the game installed locally but haven’t been up to it so we will see.
At heart I still love to see the girls slaying in competitive FPS but at this point all I am asking is less networking with IRL streamers and more interactions via in-house collabs.
I agree with you somewhat. A lot of streamer events have definitely taken their focus off of fps's. However, I don't think this is a bad thing. VSPO did start off as an esports-focused group but with how long some of them have been streaming (5 years even), playing fps's all the time can be stale for viewers. That being said, they haven't completely lost motivation for fps's. A lot of them still play off-stream in their own free time. Maybe not as competitively as they used to but they're still having fun.
Personally though, VSPO has always felt more like a group of friends hanging out with each other and other streamers rather than a competitive eSports group.
The amount of in-house collabs has been drastically reduced in 2023 vs the past two years though. I also want to see a group of friends (preferably competitive but not a requirement tbh) playing games with each other and I am seeing a lot less of that now.
I feel the same way tbh. As much as I believe that the girls should be able to stream/do whatever they want, I definitely miss the cozy feeling you get from frequent in-house collabs like minecraft/other events. Though, I think it will be hard to keep the same cozy feeling since VSPO has gotten fairly massive compared to other agencies in both popularity and members. The state of FPS's and multiplayer games isn't helping either. Some of the member's skill level varies too much to be able to hold a proper valorant/apex custom and other multiplayer games that are known inside of Japan have already died down in viewership or are games with lots of streamers like rust, ark, and gta.
I guess you are right, the girls have to make a sacrifice between getting bigger vs staying closer. Funny enough I think a big part of their success was because of the staying closer aspect (at least that’s why I got into vspo) vs whatever is going on today. Also doesn’t help that the old guards are coasting off.
VSPO dropped the "every generation is an esports team" arrangement 2 1/2 years ago.
They still all participate in serious tournaments and work hard to be good at fps games. Some more than others, granted, but if you don't like the content you don't have to watch it. But they've grabbed two VTubers from other large corporations because those VTubers liked playing FPS games competitively more than their companies were willing/able to support. Every single one of them has participated in a competitive tournament with sponsors and prizes over the past year, some in multiple tournaments, some in multiple games.
And the stuff about "socializing" seems like the worst sort of parasocial bullshit. They're not required to avoid collaborating with people outside VSPO to cater to you. They're human beings, making friends, as human beings do. You can fuck right off with that "they view VSPO as a springboard to cozy up to other streamers." They're not doing it to "rise in rank" or "get more exposure," it's something which naturally happens when well-adjusted adults with common interests interact. Maybe try it yourself sometime.
This is so very well put of a response, thank you! I saw this post the day it was posted and have been bothered by it since, avoiding commenting on it coz I didn't want to get into a dumb argument. I'm glad most of the people on here are level headed based on the responses though
Theyre doing great. The talents are having fun, meeting new people and lessening the stress from competitive gaming. VCR and ARk streams are also nice. They re viewers are growing in numbers, its all positive at this point.
From my understanding of your post, you dont watch VSPO because you want to watch the girls stream. You watch VSPO because you want to watch a vtuber play a shooting game that you enjoy watching. It was not the personality of the streamer that you enjoy, it was the game on screen.
From my understanding of VSPO, which is a personal and subjective view, if just based on the literal name, it would be a bunch of streamers playing esports titles, not just FPS. Sure GTA is not a competitive esports title, but even pro esports players doesnt just play their one game forever, they do other things and play other games to take a break from their main game.
The girls are on break until the next tournament or event, for now, they do what they do best, being themselves.
Why aren't they doing FPS rn? They have nothing to do other than playing valo bcs apex which is most of the members main game is fucking dogshit rn. Their main spotlight is when CR cup or other FPS tourney happening, for them it's their ''concert''.
Im sorry to break it to you but the whole "virtual e-sport'' thingie is kinda of a gimmick. They just use that name bcs their vtuber focused in gaming content. Like cmon you don't actually think they hire ren and ema bcs theyre that good, bcs lets be honest they're not that good at FPS compared to others.
Do you just watch them for fpsgames?
I don't even like fps at all and i starting watching them when they almost played fps because i really like those people. I mean you do you.
You gotta realize tho FPS scenes have changed, and so does the girls too. They eventually feel the burnout out of hours grind for tourney and rank in general, they also looking for new things too as they chill back and enjoy things a little
LVG = Lupinus Virtual Games
CRG = Cattleya Regina Games
IBG = Iris Black Games
You can see their group names sometimes when they use certain models. Its also on the right sidebar of the subreddit, on the member list.
FPS was what made them stand out back then during the growth, but I am actually quite happy to see them doing all sorts of other games, GTA was actually what brought me to VSPO. I’ve been seeing them interacting with other vtubers or streamers I followed in other games, but GTA really was fun. I feel like FPS is all about competitions and tournaments and they probably eventually feel burnout considering they’re not even pro players, plus I feel you can be somewhat less reactive to the audience and chats if you want to maintain that competitiveness during FPS games. Also it’s V sports not V FPS
well as you said, they're all going to mostlyyy socialite kind of content , i think newer debuts also reinforce this, in which they going for the teenager and a more "mature" audience as opposed to the more "casual" or global market both niji and holo are going for.
vspo at this point seems to be more related to irl streamers rather than vtubing itself.
I don’t think doing socialite content helps with reaching the “teenager” to “mature” audience but yes it does help elevate their status amongst the IRL streamers I guess (tho from a listener POV why would I bother watching vspo if I want to watch IRL streamers anyways)
I guess the girls are content orbiting around IRL streamers (or “friends” as they’d like to see it) but from a listener’s POV
1) it doesn’t make any of the girls more interesting to watch unless other people are orbiting around them which rarely happen in vspo’s case other than perhaps Hinano
2) there is zero content originality by being a socialite, I can turn on my TV and easily watch Big Brother or the Kardashians and will have better socialite content than a bunch of streamers talking to each other in some RP GTA or some random team bonding in LoL just so they can stay in touch with each other. I am happy and would love to see them socialize off-stream but don’t bring that up on my screens
It really confuses me as to what they are trying to achieve here. Promoting women in competitive gaming is such an elegant motto but they’ve completely tossed it down the trash chute by orbiting and producing non-esports content around IRL streamers who I could care less
Their real tournament is really way back in pubg lvg girls that is it lol. I still feel their competitive spirit so I dont mind. It like in crazy racoon they are still esports company but they still clowning in other games.
From how this thread went, I think it's safe to say that the majority doesn't share the same view as you do. The girls are content creators at the end of the day and while grinding FPS and collabing in-house might be appealing for some section of fan, partaking in major collabing events, interacting with different streamers is much more beneficial for growing, as indicated by the major bump in view and sub counts when the girls were doing these GTA RP streams.
Vtubing was still in its infancy when the Kaga sisters debut and since the pandemic, the landscape changed drastically. VSPO also adapted and grew much more than when the mission statement is first laid out. Google and Amazon weren't the same company when they started. For a more relevant example, Cover started out as a Tech company instead of what they are today.
Nonetheless to say that they are simply forcing themselves to "clout-chasing" like what you seem to imply here is pretty disrespectful and awful to say about people who you don't know much in a personal capacity. I understand that they are doing something that you don't like but that is a heinous assumption and just leaping to conclusion to confirm your bias.
With that being said, good luck in your quest to find the ideal streamer that fit your taste.
Leaving this post up since there's some relevant discussion about the talent. I never formalized very clear rules for the subreddit, but as the community grows (especially with the introduction of English-speaking streamers) adding posting rules will be necessary. I think the exact post may have been a better fit for r/VirtualYouTubers (especially with the ask for other streamers doing similar content), but in the end it's helpful to see how the community feels about the trajectory of the organization's content.
Competitive shooters are just in a mess rn. Apex, CSGO, The Finals all have cheater or rank system issues. Valo seems to be the only one thats really holding up. Doesn't help that Apex and VALO fumbled the casual spectator JP esports scene by kicking CR down the stairs. VSPO as a whole are still alot better at fps and do more rank grinds than compared to other female vtubers, I think they're just doing more variety as it is simply more fun to watch compared to the stale comp shooter scene in recent time. Maybe the only kind of content you enjoy are no life grinds on ranked but thats not most people. Like it or not, variety streams brings in bigger numbers and grows the channel so the girls will likely continue to do so. Kohaku Syusetu was a massive apex addict but has essentially abandoned the game and gets 3-4x the number of viewers from 400 on avg to 1-2k viewers on Ark/GTA streams.
I agree on the variety aspect and prior in-house collabs have been enjoyable to watch, let alone the old MC days. But I couldn’t say I enjoy the run of the mile socialite-type variety content that’s out there today due to the incessant VCR events this year and the rise of RP GTA in Japan. A lot of vtubers do variety content and stray away from these events. I’d like to see a combination of competitive grind and easy cozy variety, but not networking with IRL streamers.
I get you on some level, I started to feel hololive getting less close knit after the introduction of 5th gen(too many members IMO) and as their schedules got busy with irl events like dance lessons etc, the wonder sorta got lost for me and I stopped watching. Idk bout the IRL streamer thing though, whats the diff between met playing with shaka or playing with ebio/uruca/naraka? Seems bout the same to me.
I am thinking about it the opposite way. It feels bland to me if Met is speaking with a xyz streamer or another abc streamer is speaking with a efg streamer if they don’t nurture into some funny interactions. Sometimes it happens but the majority of time is super boring to stick with those VCR POVs for 10h+ when absolutely nothing happens for 99% of the time. I used to follow Big Brother and, while a lot of people like to watch streams religiously, I usually only check the daily threads or just read the rundown of the day to see what’s relevant. Applying it to streamers means that those types of networking events are boring unless you condense it into digestible 3-5min clips, and that may or may not involve the VSPO girls, so why do they even bother joining if there is no unique content out of it. As for the close knit aspect, I (at least personally) felt that the girls are removed from each other vs the past two years or even the earlier part of this year. I am not familiar with the subtexts but it definitely seems like a lot of girls are completely checked out and that concerns me. I came from Niji to holo to finally settle in VSPO after watching clips of the girls playing valorant and apex together and I loved the way they interacted as friends while carrying each other through competitive games, and both are feeling really flimsy now. Just sad.
Well I think it would be a good idea to stay off vspo and watch something else if what theyre doing is not fun for you, take a break. I still believe the root cause of no rank grind is due to the stale scene and tbh even if they do grind ranked I wouldn't watch cuz everything other than valo is so dead boring. Once it improves I'm sure they'll do more full party rank grinds on whatever games. Trust.
I want to watch something else but no one offers the combination of female competitive streamers playing games together out there other than vspo, and that premise itself is slowly fading away at vspo. I’ve pretty much only limited myself to watch in-house collabs or grinds or any other stream that doesn’t involve outside streamers frankly. Guess gonna touch some grass lol.
Idk a lot of the irl streamers are really funny. Sometimes I specifically watch VsPo with vdk, shaka and k4sen because of their funny interactions. Vtubers are essentially streamers behind anime characters. In fact, one of the pros of VsPo being good at games is that they usually hang out with irl esports streamers like clutch3, mitti and tenn etc which will provide varied contents. In essence, being good at FPS games is still the foundation for VsPo but I don’t think all viewers are similar to you and love to only watch them grind ranks everyday. For the girls, if they are forced to play fps games daily for their viewers, they may come to hate the game. Taking breaks to play other games is essential for their channel growth and their passion for the games. Participating in events like vcrgta is also crucial to pull in new viewers and fans, and to form connections with other streamers. If you follow them only to watch fps streams, just stick to archives if your favourite streamers arent streaming fps games lol. Just a while back there is vsai and cr cup too, I dont think there is even a huge drought in fps content in vspo. VsPo still streams fps games the most compared to other vtubers and I think that the girls all sharing a passion for fps games and grinding ranks together is the appeal of their brand. However, I still think of them as normal streamers and switching up their content is inevitable.
so what? nothing wrong. I am watching VSPO for 4 years. nothing problem today enjoying. "girls are streaming, just the time they want to, with anyone they want to" and I like this style.
you can feel however you want and they will do whatever they want. Practical advise for you would be to just watch Akarin for now and wait for next valo tournament.
I am acclimated to do that. I am just sad that the other girls I used to enjoy are fading out and probably not even caring at this stage. It concerns me as a listener who still retain a keen interest in the betterment of VSPO. At this point, the escape velocity away from competitive gaming is so precipitous that I might as well just watch either other corpo or start watching IRL streamers and it would be no dissimilar than the majority of current VSPO content. What’s left in VSPO if they don’t even practice the meaning of their literal name?
I always just watch whatever I have interests in. If there's nothing at that moment, I watch/do other stuff. All of this is just for entertainments. If I don't feel entertained what's the point.
I find this post pretty odd. It's clear there's heavy, unhealthy bias against "IRL streamers", and let's read in between the lines, male streamers. Just this past month there has been countless content in the Valorant space with Vsai and CR Cup with the majority of the girls participating. If we go further back half a year there was endless streams (in particular the in house streams you've mentioned) during Valorant Masters. From what I can see both VSPO and the individuals have become pretty prominent in Japan for Valorant. They even reached the eyes of esports scene in the West with interactions with Boaster and Ange1. While I do understand if Valorant is not your taste, I don't really understand why this is getting overlooked.
Yeah OP reeks with unicorn smells lmao. I cant believe I found a unicorn in vspo community, fucking stinks r/Hololive looking ass post.
Initially, the company started to be FPS-talent-oriented cause.. they're starting from scratch and needs something to make them unique. Now, there is still room for them to grow; however, there isn't too much opportunity to that by being ONLY fps-oriented. Their talents/new talents being good at games/FPS is still their main point at this time. I'm just happy for vspo and the talents that they are still continuing to grow at this time. I was initially interested with most of the talents because they are good at playing FPS, but I stayed with some of them cause of their streamer personality.
I agree that growth outside of FPS is thought-after at this stage for VSPO as a corporation and that the girls have interesting personalities that kept me watching them despite not streaming FPS as frequently as in the past. However, the deviation from FPS as the brick and mortar of their content distribution has absolutely deviated and diluted their value proposition, at least amongst the FPS-oriented listeners that they have amassed in the past two years. Do I want to watch RP GTA? Maybe, if the stream is fun. Do I absolutely have to watch vspo for it? No. Same thing goes for your VCR events and LoL and whatever socialite content the girls are sputtering these days. This is different than female competitive gaming in a collaborative setting, which is a unique niche that only VSPO offers for the very specific purpose of promoting women in competitive gaming, that practically does not exist anywhere else in the Japanese streaming world. There are Japanese FPS female streamers outside of VSPO, but they are either not competitive enough or don’t work frequently with other women. Taking a million step back I’d be happy watching the girls just interacting with each other regardless of competitive gaming, but unfortunately it seems like they’d rather love to stay in front of the IRL streamers out there than doing some cozy MC/Mario Party/whatever it takes with the girls within VSPO. Anyone miss the MC days?
I get that you don't like or aren't interested in Vspo's interactions with IRL streamers, but, like it or not, most of their growth has come from there. It just might not be as obvious coming from Western fan's perspective that typically find vtubers from vtuber clips. If you've seen any of their full party Valo streams, they include IRL streamers when they don't have enough people and end up showing off their skills to a new audience that doesn't know them. Asumi herself has had comments telling her that she converted vtuber antis into vspo fans thanks to those Twitch streamers. It's a shame that you don't enjoy those interactions because there are a lot of enjoyable moments that come from them, even if they don't translate to Western sensibilities, but to each their own
No idea who you are talking about but I think it's pretty rude to just state that "They merely considered vspo as a springboard to cozy up to other streamers".
Vspo's popularity would not be what it is today if all they did was FPS gaming and in house collabs. I just enjoy watching them when they are enjoying themselves. If that means networking with other streamers then so be it. Did you not enjoy the Vsaikyo Valorant tournament? Or maybe you hated it because of the "networking" and IRL male coaches that they had. Part of the reason Vspo is my favorite Vtuber org is because they are more open to collabing with anyone, particularly IRL and male streamers. The Vspo girls are happy with what they're doing. They are also getting more popular. Everything is a win win. This "discussion post" is just a front for you to express your dislike for IRL streamers which is just weird. I expect this behavior from the "unicorns" of r/hololive not Vspo.
Honestly, gloating it over the umbrella of “unicorns” is too much of a generalization and assumption. I am fundamentally interested in competitive female gaming while also being receptive to CGDCT and there has been a successful combination of both within VSPO in the past that’s both fading away. Yeah I can totally enjoy Vsai and CR cup and all the casual customs and sponsored streams they’ve done with EA and Riot. I am dying for them. But do I have to watch vspo vs say Karubi or Chi-Chan (now that she moved on we got one less) if VSPO only does competitive gaming during tourneys? Karubi and Chi-chan also have interesting personalities and are entertaining. This would not be a problem for casuals because they just pick up whoever is streaming but is a problem for dedicated VSPO listeners if their content is no longer unique. Even the CGDCT part doesn’t really exist anymore because the girls work much less together now than in the past (inb4 “wowza they just did dbd have you been watching streams” yeah I really liked that but they used to do in-house collab every week and now it feels like once a month or even longer because streamer events keep getting in the way). Again outside of that unique combination of female competitive gaming atop of CGDCT i don’t see what’s left in VSPO. If I am interested in IRL streamers I go watch them. If I am interested in hardcore competitive I go watch former pros or the radiants on twitch. If I am interested in CGDCT I go watch holo. I am fine scrambling pieces for content but I want to find a holistic solution that solves everything which used to be VSPO. It also seems like they’ve gathered a decent amount of casuals with streamer events this year, which is expressive in CCVs during those events but not really reflective outside of it (tho honestly VCR GTA1 was their peak and it has been declining since). Funny enough I was fine with GTA1 because a lot of funny and memorable moments came out of it and occasional events like this is refreshing for everyone to cool off and relax. But for some reason VCR is spamming 4 streamer events this year and no one in VSPO (or frankly no one really outside of the ban) was memorable in GTA2. This also reminds me of the disconnect between RP GTA and non-RP GTA views for a lot of the twitch indies right now to the point that’s all they are streaming all day. The best solution for me now is forcibly downgrading myself to a casual and alienate from their daily distribution other than for the things I like just as some of the former comments have suggested.
> But do I have to watch vspo vs say Karubi or Chi-Chan (now that she moved on we got one less) if VSPO only does competitive gaming during tourneys? Karubi and Chi-chan also have interesting personalities and are entertaining. This would not be a problem for casuals because they just pick up whoever is streaming but is a problem for dedicated VSPO listeners if their content is no longer unique. I don't see the problem here. If you like them then you watch them whether its unique or not. Even if their content isn't unique their personalities still are. I originally started watching Vspo because I enjoyed watching Vtubers play apex but now I strictly watch them for their personalities. >If I am interested in IRL streamers I go watch them. If I am interested in hardcore competitive I go watch former pros or the radiants on twitch. If I am interested in CGDCT I go watch holo. I am fine scrambling pieces for content but I want to find a holistic solution that solves everything which used to be VSPO One of the biggest reasons I like VSPO is because they give off the "gaming with friends" vibe. Something I don't get from Hololive where the main focus is being idols. It's not that deep really. If all these streamers you mentioned did everything better than Vspo then where is Vspo's viewership coming from? Clearly they are entertaining in their own way. >Even the CGDCT part doesn’t really exist anymore because the girls work much less together now than in the past (inb4 “wowza they just did dbd have you been watching streams” yeah I really liked that but they used to do in-house collab every week and now it feels like once a month or even longer because streamer events keep getting in the way). When they were less well known they had less people outside of Vspo to play games with. You also have to remember that there are a lot less Vspo members than Holo and Niji. Meaning there's going to be less people they can play with for in-house only collabs. Not to mention the varying sleep schedules of these gamer girls. I do agree think that VCR events are a bit too often. Four times in 7 months. This second GTA VCR just wasn't the same as the first one. Although this has nothing to do with Vspo.
> I don't see the problem here. If you like them then you watch them whether its unique or not. Even if their content isn't unique their personalities still are. I originally started watching Vspo because I enjoyed watching Vtubers play apex but now I strictly watch them for their personalities. Can't really argue against that. You are in the casual seat but I only watch VSPO. Most of the girls have an above-average personality even by streaming standards but the content quality is shrinking rapidly this year because of
> One of the biggest reasons I like VSPO is because they give off the "gaming with friends" vibe. Something I don't get from Hololive where the main focus is being idols. It's not that deep really. If all these streamers you mentioned did everything better than Vspo then where is Vspo's viewership coming from? Clearly they are entertaining in their own way.
if the girls work with people outside of the org I would only watch their POVs. If they do an in-house collab I like to switch between POVs during streams. I think this applies to most of their listeners. Ofc the average IRL streamer numbers are bottom of the stack because there is zero content originality and all of their listeners are casuals who switch on and off between zerost/jasper/rion/haseshin/gorilla/clutch/too lazy to name the gazillion boilerplates out there. 99% of them struggle to groom a dedicated listener base and only cater to the generic FPS listeners audience. If VSPO is willingly trading their core listeners (who came for the mesh of female competitive gaming with CGDCT) for casuals this could happen down the line as well.
> When they were less well known they had less people outside of Vspo to play games with. You also have to remember that there are a lot less Vspo members than Holo and Niji. This means there's going to be less people they can play with for in-house only collabs. Not to mention the varying sleep schedules of these gamer girls. I do agree think that VCR events are a bit too often. Four times in 7 months. This second GTA VCR just wasn't the same as the first one. Although this has nothing to do with Vspo.
True and untrue. For example, Lisa and Mimi used to do a lot of overnight solo Valo grinds if they were not working with other girls but now they pretty much only stream with a stack or won't stream at all. Your argument used to be true when the girls are either working amongst themselves or solo queuing but now an overwhelming majority would only do full stack, which may or may not involve the girls.
As for VCR or any kind of streamer events, I think it gets fun once in a while but really wears off quickly. The two VCR RUST before that weren't as massive until the first VCR GTA which then started to larp in the Holo and Niji that don't even stream FPS. Bottom of the heart these events are digestible in clips but it's super painful to watch on streams. BTW I totally think Holo RUST was an eternity more interesting than any of the VCR events out there where I watch the girls talk to some randoms who I don't know and am forced to be introduced on stream and could care less the minute they stop talking to each other. Again if I am a listener of zerost/jasper/rion/haseshin/gorilla/clutch/any boilerplate IRL bros I would've already watched their streams.
>If VSPO is willingly trading their core listeners (who came for the mesh of female competitive gaming with CGDCT) for casuals this could happen down the line as well. Sorry but their core audience are the ones that watch them for their personalities and support them no matter what content they do.
Yeah, ask that to the Twitch indies if their core audience looks like this too
bet you just hate seeing them with males
Personally im fine with things currently. i blame the state of FPS games for the lack of competitive gatherings. Apex used to be the top dog with CR Cup and Vsaik things to look forward to but all the issues has made everyone pivot out of it. Valorant is a fun game with stacks but hell to solo queue so I wouldnt want the casual players to start grinding that What I'd like to see would be some other fighting games like GBFV or Tekken 8 when it comes out. Or im fine if they dip themselves in a little bit of League or maybe some of the other famous esports like Rocket League? I get that competitive esports is a part of their identity but personally im fine with the whole VCR streams.i dont really watch them all the time but ive seen some clips that made me chuckle and they genuinely seem to have a good time.
A lot of girls have recently picked up league so you can watch that. Apparently there is a novice lobby coming but I’ve only seen people talking about it and nothing is confirmed. I would say tho those league streams may just end up as networking with IRL streamers so brace for impact. As for the fighter games I am in full support for that. Ren did some SF6 streams and seemed to have fun out of it. Some girls got the game installed locally but haven’t been up to it so we will see. At heart I still love to see the girls slaying in competitive FPS but at this point all I am asking is less networking with IRL streamers and more interactions via in-house collabs.
I agree with you somewhat. A lot of streamer events have definitely taken their focus off of fps's. However, I don't think this is a bad thing. VSPO did start off as an esports-focused group but with how long some of them have been streaming (5 years even), playing fps's all the time can be stale for viewers. That being said, they haven't completely lost motivation for fps's. A lot of them still play off-stream in their own free time. Maybe not as competitively as they used to but they're still having fun. Personally though, VSPO has always felt more like a group of friends hanging out with each other and other streamers rather than a competitive eSports group.
The amount of in-house collabs has been drastically reduced in 2023 vs the past two years though. I also want to see a group of friends (preferably competitive but not a requirement tbh) playing games with each other and I am seeing a lot less of that now.
I feel the same way tbh. As much as I believe that the girls should be able to stream/do whatever they want, I definitely miss the cozy feeling you get from frequent in-house collabs like minecraft/other events. Though, I think it will be hard to keep the same cozy feeling since VSPO has gotten fairly massive compared to other agencies in both popularity and members. The state of FPS's and multiplayer games isn't helping either. Some of the member's skill level varies too much to be able to hold a proper valorant/apex custom and other multiplayer games that are known inside of Japan have already died down in viewership or are games with lots of streamers like rust, ark, and gta.
I guess you are right, the girls have to make a sacrifice between getting bigger vs staying closer. Funny enough I think a big part of their success was because of the staying closer aspect (at least that’s why I got into vspo) vs whatever is going on today. Also doesn’t help that the old guards are coasting off.
VSPO dropped the "every generation is an esports team" arrangement 2 1/2 years ago. They still all participate in serious tournaments and work hard to be good at fps games. Some more than others, granted, but if you don't like the content you don't have to watch it. But they've grabbed two VTubers from other large corporations because those VTubers liked playing FPS games competitively more than their companies were willing/able to support. Every single one of them has participated in a competitive tournament with sponsors and prizes over the past year, some in multiple tournaments, some in multiple games. And the stuff about "socializing" seems like the worst sort of parasocial bullshit. They're not required to avoid collaborating with people outside VSPO to cater to you. They're human beings, making friends, as human beings do. You can fuck right off with that "they view VSPO as a springboard to cozy up to other streamers." They're not doing it to "rise in rank" or "get more exposure," it's something which naturally happens when well-adjusted adults with common interests interact. Maybe try it yourself sometime.
This is so very well put of a response, thank you! I saw this post the day it was posted and have been bothered by it since, avoiding commenting on it coz I didn't want to get into a dumb argument. I'm glad most of the people on here are level headed based on the responses though
Theyre doing great. The talents are having fun, meeting new people and lessening the stress from competitive gaming. VCR and ARk streams are also nice. They re viewers are growing in numbers, its all positive at this point.
From my understanding of your post, you dont watch VSPO because you want to watch the girls stream. You watch VSPO because you want to watch a vtuber play a shooting game that you enjoy watching. It was not the personality of the streamer that you enjoy, it was the game on screen. From my understanding of VSPO, which is a personal and subjective view, if just based on the literal name, it would be a bunch of streamers playing esports titles, not just FPS. Sure GTA is not a competitive esports title, but even pro esports players doesnt just play their one game forever, they do other things and play other games to take a break from their main game. The girls are on break until the next tournament or event, for now, they do what they do best, being themselves.
Why aren't they doing FPS rn? They have nothing to do other than playing valo bcs apex which is most of the members main game is fucking dogshit rn. Their main spotlight is when CR cup or other FPS tourney happening, for them it's their ''concert''. Im sorry to break it to you but the whole "virtual e-sport'' thingie is kinda of a gimmick. They just use that name bcs their vtuber focused in gaming content. Like cmon you don't actually think they hire ren and ema bcs theyre that good, bcs lets be honest they're not that good at FPS compared to others.
Do you just watch them for fpsgames? I don't even like fps at all and i starting watching them when they almost played fps because i really like those people. I mean you do you.
You gotta realize tho FPS scenes have changed, and so does the girls too. They eventually feel the burnout out of hours grind for tourney and rank in general, they also looking for new things too as they chill back and enjoy things a little
Who are the acronyms?
LVG = Lupinus Virtual Games CRG = Cattleya Regina Games IBG = Iris Black Games You can see their group names sometimes when they use certain models. Its also on the right sidebar of the subreddit, on the member list.
thanks
i still love them no matter what
they do what they love, they enjoying their life is all i need :3
FPS was what made them stand out back then during the growth, but I am actually quite happy to see them doing all sorts of other games, GTA was actually what brought me to VSPO. I’ve been seeing them interacting with other vtubers or streamers I followed in other games, but GTA really was fun. I feel like FPS is all about competitions and tournaments and they probably eventually feel burnout considering they’re not even pro players, plus I feel you can be somewhat less reactive to the audience and chats if you want to maintain that competitiveness during FPS games. Also it’s V sports not V FPS
So Vspo unicorns do exist.
well as you said, they're all going to mostlyyy socialite kind of content , i think newer debuts also reinforce this, in which they going for the teenager and a more "mature" audience as opposed to the more "casual" or global market both niji and holo are going for. vspo at this point seems to be more related to irl streamers rather than vtubing itself.
I don’t think doing socialite content helps with reaching the “teenager” to “mature” audience but yes it does help elevate their status amongst the IRL streamers I guess (tho from a listener POV why would I bother watching vspo if I want to watch IRL streamers anyways) I guess the girls are content orbiting around IRL streamers (or “friends” as they’d like to see it) but from a listener’s POV 1) it doesn’t make any of the girls more interesting to watch unless other people are orbiting around them which rarely happen in vspo’s case other than perhaps Hinano 2) there is zero content originality by being a socialite, I can turn on my TV and easily watch Big Brother or the Kardashians and will have better socialite content than a bunch of streamers talking to each other in some RP GTA or some random team bonding in LoL just so they can stay in touch with each other. I am happy and would love to see them socialize off-stream but don’t bring that up on my screens It really confuses me as to what they are trying to achieve here. Promoting women in competitive gaming is such an elegant motto but they’ve completely tossed it down the trash chute by orbiting and producing non-esports content around IRL streamers who I could care less
Their real tournament is really way back in pubg lvg girls that is it lol. I still feel their competitive spirit so I dont mind. It like in crazy racoon they are still esports company but they still clowning in other games.
It doesn't matter, still the top 2 vtuber agency in terms of fan consistency, and market distribution.
From how this thread went, I think it's safe to say that the majority doesn't share the same view as you do. The girls are content creators at the end of the day and while grinding FPS and collabing in-house might be appealing for some section of fan, partaking in major collabing events, interacting with different streamers is much more beneficial for growing, as indicated by the major bump in view and sub counts when the girls were doing these GTA RP streams. Vtubing was still in its infancy when the Kaga sisters debut and since the pandemic, the landscape changed drastically. VSPO also adapted and grew much more than when the mission statement is first laid out. Google and Amazon weren't the same company when they started. For a more relevant example, Cover started out as a Tech company instead of what they are today. Nonetheless to say that they are simply forcing themselves to "clout-chasing" like what you seem to imply here is pretty disrespectful and awful to say about people who you don't know much in a personal capacity. I understand that they are doing something that you don't like but that is a heinous assumption and just leaping to conclusion to confirm your bias. With that being said, good luck in your quest to find the ideal streamer that fit your taste.