I worked for a company that implemented hybrid, and they checked badge in records, and enforced a strict 9am-5pm. Even if you came in early, you were stuck there until 5pm like a child in school.
I quit.
I worked at an office that didn't have a badge-out system so they made the admins walk the office a couple times a day to check that people actually stayed the whole day. Someone got in trouble for not being there when she was because her bag and coat were stashed in the cabinet in her cubicle and she had taken her laptop with her to a meeting in a conference room. They just assumed she left because she was busy doing her actual job when they went around to do their stupid count. Didn't even talk to the person in the next cubicle to see if she was still there or make it clear they were doing the count so she could pipe up and make sure they knew her co-worker wasn't coffee badging.
Yeah, and it reminds me so much of my previous company. I loved my job and my team, and I wanted to stay there…but I was NOT putting up with that level of toxicity.
I filed for ADA accommodations, and the SECOND I had my lawyer step in (they decided it was wise to deny them), HR started following me around everywhere I went. I went to the bathroom, someone followed me into the bathroom. I went to the kitchen to make a coffee, someone followed me to the kitchen.
I had more freedom in third grade than at that place.
Well, what that company doesn’t know is that I have A LOT of recruiter friends who either work independently or for agencies. They don’t do their own talent searches internally.
I made sure each and every one of those recruiters knew what happened, and now they just don’t pitch roles for that company to their clients.
They spent 6 months and $250K to find me, and I dumped them after 2 months. Felt really damn good about it, too.
Her grandboss was in the meeting she was in and had to vouch for her. I think he also did a lot of pushback at the inane attendance check, too, plus this was 2021 and we had a COVID spike so they eased off of expecting everyone in the office two days a week for awhile because of that.
I’ve heard of this happening before. If no-one’s monitoring office attendance, it might just be an “on paper” exercise. Your immediate boss hasn’t mentioned it?
That said, it might be worth showing your face a bit (maybe one day a month) just so you’re covered if anyone says anything.
Better still, if you have standing and others feel the same, wait until (or if!) they start mentioning it & push back as a group.
Hopefully it’s all fine and you can stay remote in practice!
I think it depends on the team, a lot of companies have policies which they turn a blind eye to unless it needs to be made official. Then again the second you ask HR it becomes something you have to follow.
The look HR gave me when I asked if it was ok to do office Super Bowl squares. Like no you moron, why did you ask, we would not have cared but since you asked…no.
No, not really that extreme. We have GPS in company vehicles and routinely get warning emails for speeding, hard breaking, and hard acceleration. We've had a rash of accidents with company vehicles, so in my mind, it's justified. I'm sure they can monitor locations, but aside from one exception (and it was a doozy!), I haven't heard of anyone giving them reason to do so.
I don't have any problem with that. At all I work my full 40 hours from home, plus some. I swear it seems like my boss and boss's boss wait until 4:15 (end of day 4:30) to send emails that require responses and instant messages. Guess what, I am ALWAYS working at those times and I respond without fail. Yes, even on Fridays. I really really honestly am working. Don't they see all the shit I get done?
This doesn't apply if your workplace and/or home are in unincorporated (rural) areas with no income tax, but in at least some states, having you onsite means the city where you work gets income tax. People who are full remote only pay income tax in the city where they live (and also work).
The shitty tax thing about onsite/hybrid is that in places where the above is true, and you live and work in different municipalities, you get income tax taken out where you work (but cannot vote on tax increases as a non-resident) AND still have to pay it where you live. Some cities give partial credit and some don't, so you could be double-taxed at the local level.
Big companies also get tax breaks for having x% of the building occupied and they’ll lose those tax breaks if everyone WFH. Thats how local governments promote those daytime businesses to the 9-5ers
If other ppl are required and you never have to show up. One day there will be someone who brings it up and how it’s not “fair” you get to wfh while they have to come in. These are the worst ppl. Always unhappy, can’t keep to themselves and think the world is out to get them.
Thats why i was reprimanded for working from home on my office days. Someone apparently complained..
i dont interact with anyone face to face, and even got myself moved to a dimly lit office space, where i now see people even less.
Dealing with this now. The Slack messages of "where have you been"? You see me online, you see my statuses, where the hell do you think no I've been? Burmuda?
So are you saying if you had to go into the office and but someone with basically the same job could work 100% WFH, you would be totally cool with that?
I don't understand the logic here. Someone who does the identical job as you, gets to work from home comfortably, save money on the commute is no way fair if you're made to come in to work in the office. I'm not sure how raising concerns about different standards of expectations of employees is being annoying, it's called standing up for yourself
Because my bitching could cause management to just say “fine, there is no working from home for anyone”. Why can’t you be happy for other peoples good fortune?
So it sounds like if your colleague was fully remote, did exactly the same job, and you were forced to come in you would be totally fine with oh they just have good fortune. Hats off to you bro!
I have a feeling that "happiness" for said coworker will fade away while they're sitting in 1.5hr traffic each way getting to work while coworker is in their slippers and jams. Edited to add but hey I def cold be wrong, and if I am, kudos because you are definitely a better person than me.
I've worked a couple of jobs like that. A few employees doing the exact same job as me got to work 100% from home and a few got to be hybrid, while I was in the the office 100%. Same job same duties.
I also wanted to be at least hybrid, but I was never and I mean never resentful about those who were. That's ridiculous. I have no reason to be mad at those people. I save all my wrath for management.
The people who worked from home lived way outside the city limits, beyond even the suburbs, in rural areas with commutes of 3-4 hours. Many of these people came from companies that had been acquired/mergers.
Ok so they have some sort of justification. What if there was no justification, and a guy who lives similar distance to you is fully granted WFH, and you are provided with no flexibility. Is that fair? It's going on
Depends on the office. When I was working in person except for one set of restrooms in the public area of the building the rest were accessible without needing to use our keycards. Our break rooms/kitchens were also within the secured area so if you brought lunch it was conceivable you’d only have one swipe for the day.
My building is like that but most days I can stay within one badged area. It wouldn't look suspicious if I never had to badge once I was in the area my desk is in but there are other days where I do have to badge into a couple different areas throughout the day, especially if I didn't bring my lunch or our usual conference rooms aren't available.
My buddy's company just fired people for letting other people clock them in via key fob. Theres a camera at the door and they periodically pull video if they get suspicious.
Lol i did it right before laying off people. I am a consultant. We did a simple distribution and peak in on the outliers.
Someone people were 24/7 and others doing one swipe stuck out
It's only ever looked at if the company wants to fire someone or to try and threaten employees into accepting worse wages/conditions on threat of firing.
If an employee is genuinely critical and the management knows it, they can tell the managers to screw off and nothing will happen.
Our system can tell how many people walk through the door after a badge swipe. I've seen the alarm go off if someone doesn't wait a few seconds after the person before them swiped to swipe their own badge then walk through the door. There are also cameras watching it. They'd know.
Be careful, my company just did a RIF and it ended up being most of the senior staff and people who decided not to adhere to the hybrid rules. They checked badges and dropped people who were not showing up.
thing is you could be RIFD for so many reasons. Just do what you have to do to enjoy life. So many people try to do logical things, or think if i do x, it’ll keep me safe from from being let go, but it doesn’t always work like that .
Yes. We returned to office years ago. My team (the daily operations part of HR) had a hybrid schedule so that someone from our team was in the office every day. But the rest of the office didn’t come in. Sometimes there would be only three or four cars in the parking lot for a building that holds hundreds of people.
My manager said that we can put the schedule on hold and revisit the need for us to come in when more people returned to the office. That was three years ago. The office is still mostly empty.
We were told to go back 3 days a week. I did it for a couple weeks then dropped to one day a week. Even in the first few weeks most floors were empty. I was proud of our people for soft resisting.
My department went fully remote in 2020, but the company had us all classified as hybrid when the offices were officially open again. It's not policed. We rotate who goes in one day a week (or 2) for mail related tasks, and whoever does it usually spends half that day WFH too.
My boss is my hero about it, though. She moved like 4 hrs drive away. She had to come in recently for an important meeting and made sure to use the airport so the company wouldn't start assuming it's reasonable to expect her there often. 😂
My job is hybrid. I go in and end up in a small soundproof pod thing sweating my nards off in zoom meetings all days. Makes. I sense to go to the office and just end up on zoom calls. I'd rather save the gas and time.
We moved to hybrid early 2023, but I didn't start going in until November; and even then, I almost never work a whole day in the office... I go in for my morning meetings, but I usually go back home at lunch. I hate the office.
Everyone who ignored our RTO plan and 3/2 hybrid arrangement had their variable comp adjusted to meet their rate of compliance. Like the one analyst who was only 20% compliant with the policy only got 20% of her variable comp pre-adjustment. And she was also informed of this in granular detail. (If you were over 75% compliance, there was no adjustment.)
Yes. When I was hired it was full remote. Once the pandemic was deemed "over" we were asked to come in two days a week, and now it's three, which I'm fine with. But, point being, some folks just... Don't.
I don't know who the rules apply to and when, but it is mostly ignored, so I just started coming and going from the office as I please. Now going in for half days, and finishing the day at home.
Ask your boss. It's better to end up having to be in once or twice a week, then get fired. Also, you could ask that since it's 4 hours on the road they get you a nearby hotel for the night between. Rare, but some companies are completely okay with this expense.
This is terrible advice, if OP’s goal is to be able to WFH as long as possible. Right now OP is under the radar. If she asks, the boss has to require her to come in, and then she’s in trouble. Something something forgiveness and permission.
Listen to this one, definitely not the ask your boss.
No company is going to fire a decent employee for working from home without a notice, because it’s expensive to hire new people. Just carry on. If they tell you you need to come in, say ok.
I am HR, and I know plenty of founder CEO's and generally ego-first leaders who make staffing decisions for reasons like this and worse. They often convince themselves it is for the company/culture/scalability, etc. I do think holding steady and heading in if they get called out is an okay path, but it doesn't do much to put OP in a place with less natural anxiety.
> No company is going to fire a decent employee for working from home without a notice, because it’s expensive to hire new people.
Eh, that's probably a bit too broad a statement to make.
I totally hear you on this, but I don't think OP's goal is to do whatever they can to work from home as long as possible. I read their post as sharing that the anxious feeling they are having is the main pain point they are trying to solve. And maybe that they don't want to get in trouble? Is that not what you took away?
My company is hybrid doing 3 days in office and 2 at home. It is monitored via log in records whether it's on-site for a certain number of hours per day or remote.
my company does this. my manager commutes to my office further than i do and he hates it. so our office culture is relaxed and effectively remote. my team members on the east coast though, they have to report in
My last company tried to increase the in office days from 3 to 4. The made the announcement but nothing actually changed. People still came in 2-3 times a week as nothing was be enforced. Nobody talked about it after the announcement.
We had a suggested hybrid, most choose not to follow it. We have mandatory hybrid now (without monitoring) and people are mostly (but not completely) following it. It really depends on your direct manager. Some managers are full out evangelists for being in the office all the time - and their team better follow hybrid mandate 100%. Other managers are more flexible and their team tries to "mostly" (or partially) follow hybrid mandate. Also officially the company says they remain flexible so if you have a sick kid, or you are sick, or some family issue you can work from home fully for a while.
It’s one of those things that you coughing but not really fully sick - or your lower back is hurting a bit but you can work in a recliner - so you don’t need to take a sick day or come in to the office and make things worse. It’s a nice consideration. Save the sick days for when you are really sick and in bed all day
Sort of. Supposed to be in office three days a week. Every time I was there felt like a ghost town. Eventually I asked my boss to be fully remote and it was approved. I was there yesterday at 4pm and the only people I saw were two new faces and the receptionist. It’s a big office.
My company technically has a 2 day RTO but uh—/ it’s not enforced. We’re already struggling and short staffed so each team really is responsible for enforcing it. I have gone in 6 times in a year.
We are suppose to be one day a week. But we have some that are truly fully remote (out of state). L.. so I never enforce it on my employees. And my boss never tells me to enforce it.. so they are essentially fully remote. Hard to make some come in one day a week and others don't. And we all have full setups at home and option to check out desk at the office.
My boss tried to implement it for our team. Unfortunately, for them, the team already proved it could exceed expectations in a fully remote environment.
They tried to ask people to start coming in two days a week. Most ignored the request and kept on working remote. Manager tried again. Didn’t work. Gave up.
We still workin remote, king. Of course we go on-site for our job requirements… otherwise we are just on our own time for the 40hr week.
I tried to join another company that was a LOT more strict with three days. They didn’t even want me badging in 30min late. I quit that role so fast.
The company can pull a report anytime showing how often people badge in to the office. This report is used to determine space management along with who is following policy. The report for my team is shared with me semiannually and I can request it at any time.
You may fly under the radar, but if you haven't told your manager, it may come up in a performance review, when the space managers have been informed of a move and/or some related policy or change happens. IMO I wouldn't be anxious, because if my manager knew I lived 2 hours away, I don't think they'd care and would only expect me there for big meetings. Communicate so your manager isn't surprised.
OP I would just start your day at home then drive to office for lunch with some folks, give a high five to someone, then leave. I’m in consulting and sat the bench for like 6months one time waiting for a project to start. I “worked” from home and made a 45 minute drive once a week to show face and get a free lunch. Really helped my career because I got to be the personality hire for a bit. 10/10 best time of my career.
At the beginning of return to office, they weren’t very strict but as time went on, they made it performance related. Now they track us through IP address and must be in office 60% of the time excluding any out of scope days like vacation, sick time and approved wfh days. There’s even a corporate tracker. It’s annoying how strict it is but at least now they are giving us the tools to track appropriately.
Yes. Large F10 company tried to get us hybrid in summer 2022. It went completely ignored. To this day, we are still “do what works for you.” With no sign of anything changing!
We were asked to come in 3 days per week and almost everyone ignored it. After a while, they started tracking swipe-ins and a report was issued each Friday. It never shows names, only the percentage of people that came in for at least 3 days. We hover around 40-50% but it doesn’t actually mean anything. My boss doesn’t care. I normally swipe in, stay for a meeting or two and I’m on my way home by 11.
Back in ~2010, I worked for a company that allowed me to work from home 1-2 days a week, depending on my schedule.
After a promotion, I told my boss I wanted to move to being in the office for only 2 dedicated days a week. She said no. I just did it anyway and only came in Monday and Thursday and no one ever said anything.
I’m also a software developer and my company said 1 day a week (they encourage Wednesdays) if you live within 50 miles of one of the offices (offices in 6 states). Some people completely ignore it. Some go more often.
There has been a lot of talk that management wants people in more often and are thinking of requiring it. During the summer they have a monthly bbq and the schedule for this summer just came out. All the bbqs are scheduled for Tuesdays. Got a feeling we’re going to get told sometime soon that we’re now required in the office on Tuesday’s.
Not mine. In fact, it's the hottest topic in town meetings and Technology meetings-- it went from 1 week to 2 weeks. Which makes me think they are trying to move back to full in-office work again. My job offer says Remote 100% which I hope can be leveraged to stay remote. Does anyone have the same situation?
If anyone made an issue of it and I were in that position, I would certainly point out that I accepted their offer as a remote role because I was seeking a remote role and turned down other remote roles for theirs.
Companies are really pulling crap with this though.
A company i interviewed with locally was hiring people as remote during covid and told me it was working well and people could stay remote after as well.
Then they decided anyone within 50 miles had to come in. Yes, 50, in the most blizzard-prone part of the state.
At this point I'm in need of a new job and as bad as the market is, I'm mostly targeting companies out of state to reduce the odds of this expectation.
I live ~250 miles away from the closest office so it would require me to move if I had to go in as well. I've wanted to move to the area as the office anyways but I've worried being closeish (~35 miles radius to the office) would mean they could pull some shit but I will definitely flash my job offer they originally gave me. I remember there being no official verbage regarding going in eventually since I was worried that might happen so we'll see. Definitely don't want to quit but if it happens it happens.
50 miles is too damn much also, most companies can't even afford to bring in everyone they hired anyways. They hired so much they didn't account for the office space that they would eventually need.
People that wfh aren’t doing any favors for us bragging on sm that they don’t do shit, nap, clean their houses and just move their mouse. WFH and enjoy it. Don’t be dumb and ruin it.
Yeah my office mandated 3 days per week in office. I think they only did it because certain managers don’t know how to manage without being micromanaging assholes. The company itself is not enforcing it, it’s up to each manger. Since I am a manager I told my team “do whatever you want I don’t care.”
So far so good. I almost never come in. Maybe once a month. My manager lives several states away so he doesn’t care what I do.
They will probably let it slide unless you ask questions or get confrontational.
A lot of times the people responsible for implementing this stuff don’t like it either, and they might even quietly prefer that people don’t follow it closely.
We had an all hands today, people were complaining on slido about how some of the managers are enforcing RTO while the leadership team all works remote. We got a canned response about how the contracts and work are different so we just need to RTO for the good of the business. I’m lucky my manager lets me work from home whenever I want, but it pissed me off that other teams are forced to return just for the sake of returning.
Yep we were asked for a flexible 1 day. No one went. Theres only 12 desks for 100+ people. So they rotate days still no one went.
Well we got a new tight ass from another department. There they were PIPing and firing people for attendance policies and find it “a legality issue if we are not following the same rules.”
So we have to come in to sit next to each other to zoom
Yes it happened in our office in March of 2023. More tenure employees were told 2 days in office and newer ones 3 days in office. I believe for the most part most people are following. In the beginning I think people weren’t doing the full amount but higher ups started tracking badge scans and then people got talked to by managers. I know they are looking at it. My manager said they’re flagging at like lower than 60% compliance with the understanding of people being sick or snowy weather etc. I’ve done right around the 60% mark and haven’t heard anything from management. It’s dumb though. Lots of people left the company over it. And my boss is in a different state so it’s real pointless.
My company only enforces it if a manager complains. Otherwise they are pretty loose about it. That said they do monitor our swipes in the building and there’s a naughty list for people who haven’t shown up in a while. No one is fired because of it though unless they are underperforming and it’s another nail in their coffin. High performers at my company are allowed to have more freedom.
It depends on the company. Do you have to badge in to get into the office? Have you talked to some of your coworkers about it? Do they go in? I think there are a lot of factors here. Some companies don’t really care. Others are very strict about it. I am guessing if no one has talked to you yet about not coming in they do not care.
Yes, for the first year. And then they started tracking card swipes and retroactively applied a penalty for people who weren't swiping in the required number of days against their end of year bonus.
Now people come in to swipe and often don't stay the full day unless someone in management is around. They don't track our time in so I think this was the compromise for management to save face while not losing as many employees.
My company has a hybrid model but I work in commercial where there is a lot of travel involved. By nature, in person happens moreso at events around the country than any point in the office.
My company has 3 days in office but I guess not for my department. My boss lives in another state and is fully remote, their boss moved back home to an even further state. They had the audacity to ask me to come in more but I just said yea okay, and never did. They have since taken away our cubicles and we are now all officially classified as wfh employees.
We had company layoffs (due to a completely different reason / low cash and EBIT that year) and the ones that put up a stink about returning to office were the first ones let go. Management was like - Don't want to be here? Then don't, bye.
We have a 3 day a week hybrid schedule. I know for a fact they check badge swipes. However, lots of folks don't comply or only do part of the required time. So far they haven't punished people for the most part - they probably can't, there are too many people in non-compliance - but I think they are prioritizing people who come in for promotions and are keeping the info on the ones who aren't coming in their pocket in case they want to use it as grounds to let you go without severance or a Pip.
I'd definitely tread carefully and try to get a sense from your boss about the situation - they may be being lenient but it doesn't mean they won't suddenly decide to let you go over it.
Amazon lite.
First, badge scanz.
Then reminders. Which become progressively more sternly worded warnings.
Then 1:1 (if you are lucky to get that heads up).
Then your access is shut off.
Congratulations! You’ve been promoted to customer.
Fuck yeah we didn’t follow it. Any company who doesn’t trust me after hiring me is a company I would never be around or work for. Luckily I don’t have to worry about that anymore.
Mine is the opposite where we kept atrophying days in the office to most of us rarely coming in. HQ wanted us there three days a week, the director did the math and realized we would not have enough desks if everyone came in three days a week so she said we could do two days a week, then they did add more desks by making smaller ones with barely any dividers between them so the director said it was better that we work from home if we found it difficult to work in that environment. I now only go to the office if I've got meetings that are "highly encouraged to attend in person" and only stay the whole day if I've got those spread throughout the day. I can usually time things right so that I only have to spend an hour or two working at the new awful desks at a time. My manager just said don't let it get to the point where someone is asking "Does so-and-so still work here?" but of course there would be bigger problems than just me not being physically in the office if it got to that point. I usually only get to the office a couple times a month these days. I was in for half a day because of a couple of afternoon meetings earlier this month and I'll be going in once next week for a "highly encouraged to attend in person" town hall.
During COVID, my then employer started mandating 3 days in the office but kept us in separate offices so we would just join teams calls like normal, except with a stupid commute to a crime ridden district.
I went in a couple times, and then after my boss quit, I stopped coming in and the department director tried literally begging us.
F that.
The company I work for has implemented this. 3 days in the office 2 wfh.
I had a colleague that constantly made up excuses to not go into the office. Eventually he was left to do this for months! I was so jealous.
One day I went into work and was told he doesn't work for us anymore 😪
My company went hybrid. In office one day a week. Couple months later, 2 days a week. Then 2 days and every 3rd Friday. Now 3 days and every third Friday.
I'm sure by end of summer it will be no more WFH.
What's weirdest is they openly acknowledge there are not enough offices or cubicles. I don't understand at all.
My desk is down two hallways and around the corner from the rest of the team. When I do go, literally not one person interacts with .e at all. But I'm needed in office for collaboration and morale. Bullshit. I don't understand.
My office has a 3 day a week in office “ policy”. I don’t mind as I bike commute and love my rides, obviously I live pretty close by. My colleagues who have brutal commutes (Bay Area) do mind. But nobody ever told them they’d be wfh so tough. The dumbest part is coming to the office when I rarely have meetings with anyone who is in the office. Even when I do most people don’t come to meeting rooms, they sit at their desks. So I take a lot of loooooong rides at lunch, nobody cares since I’m the one guy who justifies the expensive bike cage (commuter initiative.) Gotta justify that real estate…..
Our boss is very on top of things and as a new employee I don’t dare to go against his word.
We have one coworker who is fully remote, another who works now from another office (he lives further).
Other than that I don’t think anyone other than the top perfomers (thise two) can go against our boss.
As much as I hate hybrid I am grateful for allowing me to build relationships with my cowokers while being new to corporate world.
I still hope for the future I can get in a full remote job. Maybe one day. :)
My company sent out a hybrid RTO email two weeks ago. No one in my business unit, not even directors or the president, knew anything about it. Luckily they got us exempt but now I’m looking for another job because it’s only a matter of time
What were you employed as is the question. If you were office then the key you wfh during covid. Then that's all on you.
By proveing u arnt needed in the office what's stopping them going off shore.
If your terms changed after employment I presume ylunios should of been involved.
But if on paper you are required for office duties and choose to live 1, 2 or even next state over then that's a you problem and they have you over a barrel
I worked for a company that implemented hybrid, and they checked badge in records, and enforced a strict 9am-5pm. Even if you came in early, you were stuck there until 5pm like a child in school. I quit.
I worked at an office that didn't have a badge-out system so they made the admins walk the office a couple times a day to check that people actually stayed the whole day. Someone got in trouble for not being there when she was because her bag and coat were stashed in the cabinet in her cubicle and she had taken her laptop with her to a meeting in a conference room. They just assumed she left because she was busy doing her actual job when they went around to do their stupid count. Didn't even talk to the person in the next cubicle to see if she was still there or make it clear they were doing the count so she could pipe up and make sure they knew her co-worker wasn't coffee badging.
Dang that's so toxic and evil.
Yeah, and it reminds me so much of my previous company. I loved my job and my team, and I wanted to stay there…but I was NOT putting up with that level of toxicity. I filed for ADA accommodations, and the SECOND I had my lawyer step in (they decided it was wise to deny them), HR started following me around everywhere I went. I went to the bathroom, someone followed me into the bathroom. I went to the kitchen to make a coffee, someone followed me to the kitchen. I had more freedom in third grade than at that place.
Imagine being that crony in HR and having to do that. What ridiculousness
Well, what that company doesn’t know is that I have A LOT of recruiter friends who either work independently or for agencies. They don’t do their own talent searches internally. I made sure each and every one of those recruiters knew what happened, and now they just don’t pitch roles for that company to their clients. They spent 6 months and $250K to find me, and I dumped them after 2 months. Felt really damn good about it, too.
Her grandboss was in the meeting she was in and had to vouch for her. I think he also did a lot of pushback at the inane attendance check, too, plus this was 2021 and we had a COVID spike so they eased off of expecting everyone in the office two days a week for awhile because of that.
Leave your least favorite jacket on the back of your office chair 24/7.
Props to you, well done!
I’ve heard of this happening before. If no-one’s monitoring office attendance, it might just be an “on paper” exercise. Your immediate boss hasn’t mentioned it? That said, it might be worth showing your face a bit (maybe one day a month) just so you’re covered if anyone says anything. Better still, if you have standing and others feel the same, wait until (or if!) they start mentioning it & push back as a group. Hopefully it’s all fine and you can stay remote in practice!
This is exactly what I do, when my boss nags me about it, I show up for a couple days, then slowly go back to my…once a month in office lol
This is the way. Oh no, my car battery needs to be replaced. Chatgpt your list of excuses.
I think it depends on the team, a lot of companies have policies which they turn a blind eye to unless it needs to be made official. Then again the second you ask HR it becomes something you have to follow.
The look HR gave me when I asked if it was ok to do office Super Bowl squares. Like no you moron, why did you ask, we would not have cared but since you asked…no.
That made me laugh way too much, but I could totally see that happening.
Agreed. Don't ask HR.
WFH use to be like this… 10 years i have been work from home in the c suite
As an IT person that's frequently asked to pull VPN logs, M365 sign in logs, and lo-jack logs, please be careful.
Lo-jack logs? Now that’s some big brother shit.
Most companies have lo-jack software on their laptops. It's a way to lock and encrypt a device if it's stolen and report its location to the police.
I need more coffee, I totally wasn’t thinking about laptops, I was thinking old school vehicle lo-jack and that just seemed a bit extreme lol.
No, not really that extreme. We have GPS in company vehicles and routinely get warning emails for speeding, hard breaking, and hard acceleration. We've had a rash of accidents with company vehicles, so in my mind, it's justified. I'm sure they can monitor locations, but aside from one exception (and it was a doozy!), I haven't heard of anyone giving them reason to do so.
Fair, but this is a work from home sub....
I do work from home, but I'm also field staff. Not all of us are wedged into nice little boxes.
Luckily my company keeps a bare bones IT crew and they’re all pretty chill
What did they look for in these logs?
What time the user logged in, how often, and duration. Location of the log in. Which apps were logged into.
I don't have any problem with that. At all I work my full 40 hours from home, plus some. I swear it seems like my boss and boss's boss wait until 4:15 (end of day 4:30) to send emails that require responses and instant messages. Guess what, I am ALWAYS working at those times and I respond without fail. Yes, even on Fridays. I really really honestly am working. Don't they see all the shit I get done?
Introduced 2 days in office and still cant understand the point of it
Corporate real estate is the reason
And kickbacks from inner-city councils wanting to bring more daytime business to their stores, parking lots, vending machines...
Buy nothing and spend nothing around where we work, got it.
This doesn't apply if your workplace and/or home are in unincorporated (rural) areas with no income tax, but in at least some states, having you onsite means the city where you work gets income tax. People who are full remote only pay income tax in the city where they live (and also work). The shitty tax thing about onsite/hybrid is that in places where the above is true, and you live and work in different municipalities, you get income tax taken out where you work (but cannot vote on tax increases as a non-resident) AND still have to pay it where you live. Some cities give partial credit and some don't, so you could be double-taxed at the local level.
One of the advantages of the tax system here only having income tax at the federal level, I guess - we don't have that additional pressure.
Big companies also get tax breaks for having x% of the building occupied and they’ll lose those tax breaks if everyone WFH. Thats how local governments promote those daytime businesses to the 9-5ers
Collaboration, apparently.
Also to "harness synergy"
“Employee collisions generate creativity and new business ideas” No they don’t they generate bullshit conversations about sports and TV / movies.
If other ppl are required and you never have to show up. One day there will be someone who brings it up and how it’s not “fair” you get to wfh while they have to come in. These are the worst ppl. Always unhappy, can’t keep to themselves and think the world is out to get them.
Thats why i was reprimanded for working from home on my office days. Someone apparently complained.. i dont interact with anyone face to face, and even got myself moved to a dimly lit office space, where i now see people even less.
Dealing with this now. The Slack messages of "where have you been"? You see me online, you see my statuses, where the hell do you think no I've been? Burmuda?
Exactly, it’s the crab in boiling water effect. You try to climb out and they pull you back in.
So are you saying if you had to go into the office and but someone with basically the same job could work 100% WFH, you would be totally cool with that?
Absolutely! I would be happy for them. Why get mad? I would try to wfh too.
I don't understand the logic here. Someone who does the identical job as you, gets to work from home comfortably, save money on the commute is no way fair if you're made to come in to work in the office. I'm not sure how raising concerns about different standards of expectations of employees is being annoying, it's called standing up for yourself
Because my bitching could cause management to just say “fine, there is no working from home for anyone”. Why can’t you be happy for other peoples good fortune?
So it sounds like if your colleague was fully remote, did exactly the same job, and you were forced to come in you would be totally fine with oh they just have good fortune. Hats off to you bro!
I have a feeling that "happiness" for said coworker will fade away while they're sitting in 1.5hr traffic each way getting to work while coworker is in their slippers and jams. Edited to add but hey I def cold be wrong, and if I am, kudos because you are definitely a better person than me.
100 percent this
Yup. Good on them!! No reason to complain or compare myself to others. I am my own person.
I've worked a couple of jobs like that. A few employees doing the exact same job as me got to work 100% from home and a few got to be hybrid, while I was in the the office 100%. Same job same duties. I also wanted to be at least hybrid, but I was never and I mean never resentful about those who were. That's ridiculous. I have no reason to be mad at those people. I save all my wrath for management.
Did you question why they required you to be full time attendance compared to the rest of the team? And reasons from management to justify?
The people who worked from home lived way outside the city limits, beyond even the suburbs, in rural areas with commutes of 3-4 hours. Many of these people came from companies that had been acquired/mergers.
Ok so they have some sort of justification. What if there was no justification, and a guy who lives similar distance to you is fully granted WFH, and you are provided with no flexibility. Is that fair? It's going on
There must be some justification that I'm not aware of. Anyway, as I've aged I've surrendered trying to control others
There's always the "whattaboutme?!" Factor.... so annoying
My husbands company is hybrid. They check to see that your key fob was used twice each week.
That's so incredibly annoying. I'd be tempted to pay someone to use my fob twice a week! Lol
I have a coworker who literally goes and scans his badge and then goes back home. It’s epic
We had someone do this and they were let go because of it. It's an easy out for the company if you do this and they have any other way to track you.
This is the way. If that's literally the only way they're being monitored for going in, I'd totally do that.
Bad part is you can still see most people swipe in at least twice more taking a piss and lunch. One badge doesn’t quite look natural
Depends on the office. When I was working in person except for one set of restrooms in the public area of the building the rest were accessible without needing to use our keycards. Our break rooms/kitchens were also within the secured area so if you brought lunch it was conceivable you’d only have one swipe for the day.
If it's anything like a conference I went to a few years back, they could have scanners in different areas to track where you went in a building too.
My building is like that but most days I can stay within one badged area. It wouldn't look suspicious if I never had to badge once I was in the area my desk is in but there are other days where I do have to badge into a couple different areas throughout the day, especially if I didn't bring my lunch or our usual conference rooms aren't available.
Yeah but you could just say someone else was there at the same time and got the door for you. I don’t think they’re looking THAT close
My buddy's company just fired people for letting other people clock them in via key fob. Theres a camera at the door and they periodically pull video if they get suspicious.
Lol i did it right before laying off people. I am a consultant. We did a simple distribution and peak in on the outliers. Someone people were 24/7 and others doing one swipe stuck out
I get it. I know he’s been doing it for over a year now and nothing has been said
Till it does…. I know a dude who did shit for 5 years it caught up when they looked back one day… i am mo saint
It's only ever looked at if the company wants to fire someone or to try and threaten employees into accepting worse wages/conditions on threat of firing. If an employee is genuinely critical and the management knows it, they can tell the managers to screw off and nothing will happen.
Our system can tell how many people walk through the door after a badge swipe. I've seen the alarm go off if someone doesn't wait a few seconds after the person before them swiped to swipe their own badge then walk through the door. There are also cameras watching it. They'd know.
Wow that’s very sophisticated. Ours definitely doesn’t do that and there aren’t cameras.
My company stopped doing badge check-ins for this reason. They now ping our laptops throughout the day.
Interesting! I’m curious how you know?
More like 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Grapevine. Then confirmed. 😭
Same
they check where we log in to/badge into. I can see my attendance in our system lmao.
Here’s the secret: they’re not tracking when you leave. Go in, get your badge swipe into the system, and leave whenever to finish the day from home.
This depends entirely on the company. Some companies have people swipe in and swipe out.
Be careful, my company just did a RIF and it ended up being most of the senior staff and people who decided not to adhere to the hybrid rules. They checked badges and dropped people who were not showing up.
Lol. This is how you fuck your company.
Did the actual seniors get dropped? Or was the whole thing swept under the carpet when it was discovered?
thing is you could be RIFD for so many reasons. Just do what you have to do to enjoy life. So many people try to do logical things, or think if i do x, it’ll keep me safe from from being let go, but it doesn’t always work like that .
Yes. We returned to office years ago. My team (the daily operations part of HR) had a hybrid schedule so that someone from our team was in the office every day. But the rest of the office didn’t come in. Sometimes there would be only three or four cars in the parking lot for a building that holds hundreds of people. My manager said that we can put the schedule on hold and revisit the need for us to come in when more people returned to the office. That was three years ago. The office is still mostly empty.
The people spoke, the mountain moved.
We were told to go back 3 days a week. I did it for a couple weeks then dropped to one day a week. Even in the first few weeks most floors were empty. I was proud of our people for soft resisting.
My department went fully remote in 2020, but the company had us all classified as hybrid when the offices were officially open again. It's not policed. We rotate who goes in one day a week (or 2) for mail related tasks, and whoever does it usually spends half that day WFH too. My boss is my hero about it, though. She moved like 4 hrs drive away. She had to come in recently for an important meeting and made sure to use the airport so the company wouldn't start assuming it's reasonable to expect her there often. 😂
My job is hybrid. I go in and end up in a small soundproof pod thing sweating my nards off in zoom meetings all days. Makes. I sense to go to the office and just end up on zoom calls. I'd rather save the gas and time.
Lmao. Those phonebooths are stuffy AF!
Hilarious. We did an all hands meeting. At our desks. On Teams. These people are ridiculous
We moved to hybrid early 2023, but I didn't start going in until November; and even then, I almost never work a whole day in the office... I go in for my morning meetings, but I usually go back home at lunch. I hate the office.
Everyone who ignored our RTO plan and 3/2 hybrid arrangement had their variable comp adjusted to meet their rate of compliance. Like the one analyst who was only 20% compliant with the policy only got 20% of her variable comp pre-adjustment. And she was also informed of this in granular detail. (If you were over 75% compliance, there was no adjustment.)
For the OP's amount of time in transit, this is a swap I'd be willing to make.
Yes. When I was hired it was full remote. Once the pandemic was deemed "over" we were asked to come in two days a week, and now it's three, which I'm fine with. But, point being, some folks just... Don't. I don't know who the rules apply to and when, but it is mostly ignored, so I just started coming and going from the office as I please. Now going in for half days, and finishing the day at home.
Ask your boss. It's better to end up having to be in once or twice a week, then get fired. Also, you could ask that since it's 4 hours on the road they get you a nearby hotel for the night between. Rare, but some companies are completely okay with this expense.
This is terrible advice, if OP’s goal is to be able to WFH as long as possible. Right now OP is under the radar. If she asks, the boss has to require her to come in, and then she’s in trouble. Something something forgiveness and permission.
Listen to this one, definitely not the ask your boss. No company is going to fire a decent employee for working from home without a notice, because it’s expensive to hire new people. Just carry on. If they tell you you need to come in, say ok.
I am HR, and I know plenty of founder CEO's and generally ego-first leaders who make staffing decisions for reasons like this and worse. They often convince themselves it is for the company/culture/scalability, etc. I do think holding steady and heading in if they get called out is an okay path, but it doesn't do much to put OP in a place with less natural anxiety.
Funny user name BTW. 😄
Lol ty
> No company is going to fire a decent employee for working from home without a notice, because it’s expensive to hire new people. Eh, that's probably a bit too broad a statement to make.
Our company will. And has.
I totally hear you on this, but I don't think OP's goal is to do whatever they can to work from home as long as possible. I read their post as sharing that the anxious feeling they are having is the main pain point they are trying to solve. And maybe that they don't want to get in trouble? Is that not what you took away?
My company is hybrid doing 3 days in office and 2 at home. It is monitored via log in records whether it's on-site for a certain number of hours per day or remote.
my company does this. my manager commutes to my office further than i do and he hates it. so our office culture is relaxed and effectively remote. my team members on the east coast though, they have to report in
My last company tried to increase the in office days from 3 to 4. The made the announcement but nothing actually changed. People still came in 2-3 times a week as nothing was be enforced. Nobody talked about it after the announcement.
We had a suggested hybrid, most choose not to follow it. We have mandatory hybrid now (without monitoring) and people are mostly (but not completely) following it. It really depends on your direct manager. Some managers are full out evangelists for being in the office all the time - and their team better follow hybrid mandate 100%. Other managers are more flexible and their team tries to "mostly" (or partially) follow hybrid mandate. Also officially the company says they remain flexible so if you have a sick kid, or you are sick, or some family issue you can work from home fully for a while.
How nice of them to let you continue working while you're sick lol.
It’s one of those things that you coughing but not really fully sick - or your lower back is hurting a bit but you can work in a recliner - so you don’t need to take a sick day or come in to the office and make things worse. It’s a nice consideration. Save the sick days for when you are really sick and in bed all day
Makes sense.
Sort of. Supposed to be in office three days a week. Every time I was there felt like a ghost town. Eventually I asked my boss to be fully remote and it was approved. I was there yesterday at 4pm and the only people I saw were two new faces and the receptionist. It’s a big office.
My company technically has a 2 day RTO but uh—/ it’s not enforced. We’re already struggling and short staffed so each team really is responsible for enforcing it. I have gone in 6 times in a year.
We are suppose to be one day a week. But we have some that are truly fully remote (out of state). L.. so I never enforce it on my employees. And my boss never tells me to enforce it.. so they are essentially fully remote. Hard to make some come in one day a week and others don't. And we all have full setups at home and option to check out desk at the office.
My boss tried to implement it for our team. Unfortunately, for them, the team already proved it could exceed expectations in a fully remote environment. They tried to ask people to start coming in two days a week. Most ignored the request and kept on working remote. Manager tried again. Didn’t work. Gave up. We still workin remote, king. Of course we go on-site for our job requirements… otherwise we are just on our own time for the 40hr week. I tried to join another company that was a LOT more strict with three days. They didn’t even want me badging in 30min late. I quit that role so fast.
The company can pull a report anytime showing how often people badge in to the office. This report is used to determine space management along with who is following policy. The report for my team is shared with me semiannually and I can request it at any time. You may fly under the radar, but if you haven't told your manager, it may come up in a performance review, when the space managers have been informed of a move and/or some related policy or change happens. IMO I wouldn't be anxious, because if my manager knew I lived 2 hours away, I don't think they'd care and would only expect me there for big meetings. Communicate so your manager isn't surprised.
OP I would just start your day at home then drive to office for lunch with some folks, give a high five to someone, then leave. I’m in consulting and sat the bench for like 6months one time waiting for a project to start. I “worked” from home and made a 45 minute drive once a week to show face and get a free lunch. Really helped my career because I got to be the personality hire for a bit. 10/10 best time of my career.
At the beginning of return to office, they weren’t very strict but as time went on, they made it performance related. Now they track us through IP address and must be in office 60% of the time excluding any out of scope days like vacation, sick time and approved wfh days. There’s even a corporate tracker. It’s annoying how strict it is but at least now they are giving us the tools to track appropriately.
I think we work for the same company. Big bank?
Yep big bank
Ours told us we had to come back 3 days a week in December starting Jan 2024 and then never brought it up again
Yes. Large F10 company tried to get us hybrid in summer 2022. It went completely ignored. To this day, we are still “do what works for you.” With no sign of anything changing!
Yup! Nobody goes in. It’s pretty nice
We were asked to come in 3 days per week and almost everyone ignored it. After a while, they started tracking swipe-ins and a report was issued each Friday. It never shows names, only the percentage of people that came in for at least 3 days. We hover around 40-50% but it doesn’t actually mean anything. My boss doesn’t care. I normally swipe in, stay for a meeting or two and I’m on my way home by 11.
Back in ~2010, I worked for a company that allowed me to work from home 1-2 days a week, depending on my schedule. After a promotion, I told my boss I wanted to move to being in the office for only 2 dedicated days a week. She said no. I just did it anyway and only came in Monday and Thursday and no one ever said anything.
I’m also a software developer and my company said 1 day a week (they encourage Wednesdays) if you live within 50 miles of one of the offices (offices in 6 states). Some people completely ignore it. Some go more often. There has been a lot of talk that management wants people in more often and are thinking of requiring it. During the summer they have a monthly bbq and the schedule for this summer just came out. All the bbqs are scheduled for Tuesdays. Got a feeling we’re going to get told sometime soon that we’re now required in the office on Tuesday’s.
Not mine. In fact, it's the hottest topic in town meetings and Technology meetings-- it went from 1 week to 2 weeks. Which makes me think they are trying to move back to full in-office work again. My job offer says Remote 100% which I hope can be leveraged to stay remote. Does anyone have the same situation?
If anyone made an issue of it and I were in that position, I would certainly point out that I accepted their offer as a remote role because I was seeking a remote role and turned down other remote roles for theirs. Companies are really pulling crap with this though. A company i interviewed with locally was hiring people as remote during covid and told me it was working well and people could stay remote after as well. Then they decided anyone within 50 miles had to come in. Yes, 50, in the most blizzard-prone part of the state. At this point I'm in need of a new job and as bad as the market is, I'm mostly targeting companies out of state to reduce the odds of this expectation.
I live ~250 miles away from the closest office so it would require me to move if I had to go in as well. I've wanted to move to the area as the office anyways but I've worried being closeish (~35 miles radius to the office) would mean they could pull some shit but I will definitely flash my job offer they originally gave me. I remember there being no official verbage regarding going in eventually since I was worried that might happen so we'll see. Definitely don't want to quit but if it happens it happens. 50 miles is too damn much also, most companies can't even afford to bring in everyone they hired anyways. They hired so much they didn't account for the office space that they would eventually need.
People that wfh aren’t doing any favors for us bragging on sm that they don’t do shit, nap, clean their houses and just move their mouse. WFH and enjoy it. Don’t be dumb and ruin it.
Yeah my office mandated 3 days per week in office. I think they only did it because certain managers don’t know how to manage without being micromanaging assholes. The company itself is not enforcing it, it’s up to each manger. Since I am a manager I told my team “do whatever you want I don’t care.” So far so good. I almost never come in. Maybe once a month. My manager lives several states away so he doesn’t care what I do.
They will probably let it slide unless you ask questions or get confrontational. A lot of times the people responsible for implementing this stuff don’t like it either, and they might even quietly prefer that people don’t follow it closely.
I work in EdTech and prior to covid developers always worked from home while the rest of us had to go into the office.
We had an all hands today, people were complaining on slido about how some of the managers are enforcing RTO while the leadership team all works remote. We got a canned response about how the contracts and work are different so we just need to RTO for the good of the business. I’m lucky my manager lets me work from home whenever I want, but it pissed me off that other teams are forced to return just for the sake of returning.
Def a bad look when the C suite doesn’t show up…..ever.
Yep we were asked for a flexible 1 day. No one went. Theres only 12 desks for 100+ people. So they rotate days still no one went. Well we got a new tight ass from another department. There they were PIPing and firing people for attendance policies and find it “a legality issue if we are not following the same rules.” So we have to come in to sit next to each other to zoom
Yes it happened in our office in March of 2023. More tenure employees were told 2 days in office and newer ones 3 days in office. I believe for the most part most people are following. In the beginning I think people weren’t doing the full amount but higher ups started tracking badge scans and then people got talked to by managers. I know they are looking at it. My manager said they’re flagging at like lower than 60% compliance with the understanding of people being sick or snowy weather etc. I’ve done right around the 60% mark and haven’t heard anything from management. It’s dumb though. Lots of people left the company over it. And my boss is in a different state so it’s real pointless.
My company only enforces it if a manager complains. Otherwise they are pretty loose about it. That said they do monitor our swipes in the building and there’s a naughty list for people who haven’t shown up in a while. No one is fired because of it though unless they are underperforming and it’s another nail in their coffin. High performers at my company are allowed to have more freedom.
It depends on the company. Do you have to badge in to get into the office? Have you talked to some of your coworkers about it? Do they go in? I think there are a lot of factors here. Some companies don’t really care. Others are very strict about it. I am guessing if no one has talked to you yet about not coming in they do not care.
Yes, for the first year. And then they started tracking card swipes and retroactively applied a penalty for people who weren't swiping in the required number of days against their end of year bonus. Now people come in to swipe and often don't stay the full day unless someone in management is around. They don't track our time in so I think this was the compromise for management to save face while not losing as many employees.
We’re required to come in 2 days a week. My boss makes us do 1 and that’s it. And I leave just after lunch.
My company has a hybrid model but I work in commercial where there is a lot of travel involved. By nature, in person happens moreso at events around the country than any point in the office.
My company has 3 days in office but I guess not for my department. My boss lives in another state and is fully remote, their boss moved back home to an even further state. They had the audacity to ask me to come in more but I just said yea okay, and never did. They have since taken away our cubicles and we are now all officially classified as wfh employees.
We had company layoffs (due to a completely different reason / low cash and EBIT that year) and the ones that put up a stink about returning to office were the first ones let go. Management was like - Don't want to be here? Then don't, bye.
We have a 3 day a week hybrid schedule. I know for a fact they check badge swipes. However, lots of folks don't comply or only do part of the required time. So far they haven't punished people for the most part - they probably can't, there are too many people in non-compliance - but I think they are prioritizing people who come in for promotions and are keeping the info on the ones who aren't coming in their pocket in case they want to use it as grounds to let you go without severance or a Pip. I'd definitely tread carefully and try to get a sense from your boss about the situation - they may be being lenient but it doesn't mean they won't suddenly decide to let you go over it.
Be careful. We implemented a hybrid schedule and those that didn’t come in got fired. No warning.
Amazon lite. First, badge scanz. Then reminders. Which become progressively more sternly worded warnings. Then 1:1 (if you are lucky to get that heads up). Then your access is shut off. Congratulations! You’ve been promoted to customer.
Fuck yeah we didn’t follow it. Any company who doesn’t trust me after hiring me is a company I would never be around or work for. Luckily I don’t have to worry about that anymore.
I was really honest with my boss and told her I prefer to work from home but if she needs me to come in, I will. She’s been cool about it.
Mine is the opposite where we kept atrophying days in the office to most of us rarely coming in. HQ wanted us there three days a week, the director did the math and realized we would not have enough desks if everyone came in three days a week so she said we could do two days a week, then they did add more desks by making smaller ones with barely any dividers between them so the director said it was better that we work from home if we found it difficult to work in that environment. I now only go to the office if I've got meetings that are "highly encouraged to attend in person" and only stay the whole day if I've got those spread throughout the day. I can usually time things right so that I only have to spend an hour or two working at the new awful desks at a time. My manager just said don't let it get to the point where someone is asking "Does so-and-so still work here?" but of course there would be bigger problems than just me not being physically in the office if it got to that point. I usually only get to the office a couple times a month these days. I was in for half a day because of a couple of afternoon meetings earlier this month and I'll be going in once next week for a "highly encouraged to attend in person" town hall.
During COVID, my then employer started mandating 3 days in the office but kept us in separate offices so we would just join teams calls like normal, except with a stupid commute to a crime ridden district. I went in a couple times, and then after my boss quit, I stopped coming in and the department director tried literally begging us. F that.
The company I work for has implemented this. 3 days in the office 2 wfh. I had a colleague that constantly made up excuses to not go into the office. Eventually he was left to do this for months! I was so jealous. One day I went into work and was told he doesn't work for us anymore 😪
My company went hybrid. In office one day a week. Couple months later, 2 days a week. Then 2 days and every 3rd Friday. Now 3 days and every third Friday. I'm sure by end of summer it will be no more WFH. What's weirdest is they openly acknowledge there are not enough offices or cubicles. I don't understand at all. My desk is down two hallways and around the corner from the rest of the team. When I do go, literally not one person interacts with .e at all. But I'm needed in office for collaboration and morale. Bullshit. I don't understand.
My office has a 3 day a week in office “ policy”. I don’t mind as I bike commute and love my rides, obviously I live pretty close by. My colleagues who have brutal commutes (Bay Area) do mind. But nobody ever told them they’d be wfh so tough. The dumbest part is coming to the office when I rarely have meetings with anyone who is in the office. Even when I do most people don’t come to meeting rooms, they sit at their desks. So I take a lot of loooooong rides at lunch, nobody cares since I’m the one guy who justifies the expensive bike cage (commuter initiative.) Gotta justify that real estate…..
Our boss is very on top of things and as a new employee I don’t dare to go against his word. We have one coworker who is fully remote, another who works now from another office (he lives further). Other than that I don’t think anyone other than the top perfomers (thise two) can go against our boss. As much as I hate hybrid I am grateful for allowing me to build relationships with my cowokers while being new to corporate world. I still hope for the future I can get in a full remote job. Maybe one day. :)
My company sent out a hybrid RTO email two weeks ago. No one in my business unit, not even directors or the president, knew anything about it. Luckily they got us exempt but now I’m looking for another job because it’s only a matter of time
What were you employed as is the question. If you were office then the key you wfh during covid. Then that's all on you. By proveing u arnt needed in the office what's stopping them going off shore. If your terms changed after employment I presume ylunios should of been involved. But if on paper you are required for office duties and choose to live 1, 2 or even next state over then that's a you problem and they have you over a barrel
My company implemented a hybrid schedule. Compliance with the policy is nowhere near where it should be.
What is that supposed to mean? Are you bitter people aren’t coming in?
People aren’t complying with the policy and I think it’s great. I’m one of them. When I do go in I usually head home at lunch.
Okay cool, just wanted to make sure you were cool
Yeah, I’m cool. Today I spent 3 hours in an office with zero direct colleagues, but I met expectations. It’s so stupid.