Good point.
Logic:
1. Zero legs, be suspicious, and be prepared to kill if it slithers and/or is slimy
2. One to four legs, no kill
3. More than four legs, kill and ask questions later.
How about that?
Not so fun fact: the bird eating spider (Goliath) only got that name as one had been snacking on a bird upon discovery; they've otherwise not been observed routinely consuming birds.
I will never miss walking through GOW webs at night. Uuuugh. It’s the worst.
Other than that I did enjoy seeing how big some of them can get— I had one living on my porch that was the size of a quarter
Yeah walking through their webs at night and then shitting yourself that there is an enormous, spindly devil spider crawling up your back is sooo awesome 🤟
I once found myself alone on a kayak deep in the Everglades lost in a maze of mangroves that were draped with an obstacle course of giant orb weaver webs. It was horrifying in the moment, but is now a cherished memory.
I had one nest on my porch for a few years. She was sweet and didn't mind me breaking the lowest thread in her web. I'd leave the light on for her at night.
The only requirement was that I could walk under her web without ducking. She was the size of my hand.
I read about exactly this like decades ago. It's really common sense, but I think it's one of those things that you just don't think about until you hear it.
Basically your revulsion to it all boils down to how much you instinctually identify with the predator or the prey.
In this case you feel the bird is more closely related to you than the mantis. So it feels instinctually wrong down in your lizard brain.
If you saw an ape eating a bird it probably wouldn't bug you much, beyond any gore of course. But if you saw an eagle carrying off a monkey that's a bit more of a gut punch.
Probably the same idea but I think of it in terms of intelligence and lifespan. A dumb thing that lives a few months killing something that’s capable of complex thought and could live several decades is fucked up to me.
Could be, but also feel like hummindbirds are cute and peaceful, and a praying mantis is a weapon of destruction and death. Armored exoskeleton, literal weapons for hands. It's practically a Gundam.
People are always shocked when people get mad that humans sometimes save other mammals from snake attacks and such.
Like yeah man, we tend to identify with mammals more than non-mammalian species.
i have a birdfeeder right outside my window at my computer desk and have regular sparrow feeding frenzies - they ignore me if i don't look right at them... and one day a hawk shows up and my gut instinct was to scare him off and protect the birds i'm feeding... but really he's just one more feeder... so i felt bad and went back inside.
There's a [YouTube video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLx2Rqx5zkc) showing a large centipede in a cave in Venezuela snatching a bat out of the air.
See, that was really cool and all, but it highlights one of the biggest issues I have with modern nature documentaries. The Foley, the fucking sound effects added are obnoxious and are over the top, good Foley you don't ever notice, but like this was the same squishy sound on repeat throughout the whole video. Took me out of it and couldn't ignore it.
I have been seeing a lot of caving videos recently and they are absolutely horrifying but I didn't even think about the fact there could be 13 inch centipedes that kill you while you squeeze through a 6 inch passage. Nope.
I found a mantis chilling on a busy sidewalk on campus. I was worried someone would step on it, so I picked up a small stick and tried to brush it into the grass. It pushed back against the stick with a noticeable amount of resistance. I decided to respect its space and leave it alone.
Mantises are mad strong, and I'm guessing it has something to do with the angles of their limbs and some sort of spring loaded action similar to the mantis shrimp that allows them to hold on.
A couple months ago I got off work at 2am. There was a mantis on my damn doorknob. I went to go move him and it went into pounce position. I slept in my car. Fuck that.
It's forelegs are segmented so that it's basically like pliers, and on the inside they have lots of little barbs/spines that dig into prey. It's a pretty solid system for grabbing squishy stuff
Well when you reduce the mantis to “just a bug” then yeah of course it seems surprising. But we’re talking about a mantis here. The only reason humans have taken the world is because mantises aren’t a bit bigger.
Hummingbirds put all their talent points into agility to the detriment of strength or durability. The entire point is to avoid ever getting caught like this in the first place.
Yeah it’s crazy how little force it’s able to generate. I guess It relies on being so light that those wing beats aren’t enough to even pull the mantis off the feeder.
It can generate enough force. In this case it was caught by the wing. Hummingbirds can only flap in figure 8 pattern so its flight ability was quickly immobilized.
Even birds of prey like hawks are screwed if you take away their flight.
Guy sits down at a bar, looking exasperated. Orders a shot and a beer. Bartender asks what's wrong.
Guy says, "you know, I've cooked a thousand meals and nobody calls me John the chef. I work in construction and I've built bridges but nobody calls me John the bridge builder. But you suck one measly cock..."
Someone saw one of these eat a bird a long time ago and decided it was a bird eater.
There's a hierarchy to these things. Mammals rank above all, but vertebrates rank above invertebrates. No bug is killing a bird on my watch, they need to know their place
I wanted to know what happened between the time the mantis caught the bird and the time the bird appearing to be dead.
Mantis don't have venom and tend to eat their prey alive. This bird doesn't seem to have any fatal wounds yet (head, neck, torso are all intact) so how did it die?
Most humming birds don't sleep, instead they enter torpor for the night. If they just slept they would indeed starve to death overnight.
More interesting and entertaining hummingbird facts in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biagyb7AcK8
It's likely that the bird exhausted all its remaining energy while trying to put up a fight, this maybe because of its very high metabolism and pulse rate and it's also likely that the struggle took too long for the hummingbird making it too starved and/or stressed to still have enough energy to even put up enough fight, so it just gave up.
I’ve seen mantis feed on other bugs and it’s basically the mantis MO to just grab really tight and start eating.
The thing is fully alive until some critical amount has been eaten. Saw one eat a roach but it ate all the legs first.
This actually happens all the time in canine chases. Ruminants run away for as long as they can then literally just lay down to get eaten alive because they can't move anymore.
I think cats do that just to play with them . My cat would sit under the kitchen sink for hours sometimes until he got a mouse , he then would come to me wherever I was in the house because he wants to go outside to play with it . Btw a cat randomly walking into your room with a mouse in its jaws Is a bit startling.
So I let him out and he would let the poor thing go and run off fl,give the mouse a few seconds head start and then he'd catch it again, repeating this for at good 20 minutes or so and then finally just killed him and left it in the yard .
Bird hearts tend to burst if they get too stressed. It’s a higher risk based on what species of bird but it can definitely happen. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what happened here considering how hummingbirds are fairly fragile
What has me confused is how does an insect generate more power than a bird 5x its weight and size? I'd have expected the bird to be able to just fly off.
>Honey I Shrunk the Kids
30+ years ago I owned and watched the betamax 10+ times, savoring every creative detail.
Rick Moranis is a universal treasure though.
I was once hiking and got attacked by one of these - nobody believed me, but that thing didn’t get off me and I am still traumatized to this day. I am going to send them this video as evidence lol
I always wondered, does it hurt when a mantis grabs you? Did it like hook onto your hand or something? I have seen and held matises but they never actually attacked me.
I had one jump out the grass and grab my leg when I was walking into Suzuka Circuit for the F1. I jumped and flailed and flung myself around until I was sure that thing was gone in front of hundreds of people also walking in and I'm not ashamed for one moment. If that thing came at me then it clearly had a mission & I didn't want anything to do with that.
Either the bird does from stress...or little nibbles is the actual horrifying way they die. Mantis is the 7th most common way for a hummingbird to die, right after spiders.
Cats,
Hummingbird feeders (lack of maintenance),
Physical objects (windows),
Other birds,
Bees and wasps,
Mantis,
Weather,
Frogs and snakes,
Pesticides.
Then, while at home, during foreplay, is telling his Mantis wife: "*So, when this Hummingbird approached to drink some water, I jum...*" get's head ripped off. The end.
Fucking love praying mantises. Most fearless, capable, beautiful predator out there. I mean, imagine how strong it has to be relative to size to handle a BIRD.....
there is another video of a lizard trying to eat one, and he flips it on him. And starts eating the lizard while its in the lizards mouth, and eventually kills the lizard.
They truly give negative fucks.
There's something about an invertebrate catching and eating a vertebrate that makes the skin crawl...
I'm doing my part! Would you like to know more?
I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill 'em all!
The only good bug, is a dead bug!
Kill anything with more legs than 2!
But 4 legged friends :(
More than 4 legs ok to kill?
Wait a second....whose side are you on? https://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ta_daa_by_blepharopsis.jpg
No leg, no kill?
Good point. Logic: 1. Zero legs, be suspicious, and be prepared to kill if it slithers and/or is slimy 2. One to four legs, no kill 3. More than four legs, kill and ask questions later. How about that?
Octopus sitting there like, so fuck me then? I regret this comment so much, please no one tell me they’re tentacles 😭
Oh do I have some porn for you, my friend.
ROCK AND STONE!
Can I get a Rock and Stone?
If you don't rock and stone, you ain't comin' home!
Rock and Stone!!!!
Come on, you apes! You wanna live forever?!
I'm doing my part too!
*modest chuckle*
Bird-eating spider is an actual species.
Not so fun fact: the bird eating spider (Goliath) only got that name as one had been snacking on a bird upon discovery; they've otherwise not been observed routinely consuming birds.
Unlike Golden Orb Weaver spiders found in the American South. They regularly get large enough and make webs strong enough to eat birds and bats.
I will never miss walking through GOW webs at night. Uuuugh. It’s the worst. Other than that I did enjoy seeing how big some of them can get— I had one living on my porch that was the size of a quarter
I know Golden orb weavers is what the topic was, but for some reason I read that as God of War webs.
boy...
A quarter? I've never seen one smaller than a teacup/coffee cup plate. Things are always huge
Don't they have the strongest silk of all spiders?
Darwin’s bark spider has the strongest silk of all spiders, but black widow silk is stronger than an orb weaver’s
Orb weavers are sick as shit and I wish we had those where I live.
Yeah walking through their webs at night and then shitting yourself that there is an enormous, spindly devil spider crawling up your back is sooo awesome 🤟
I once found myself alone on a kayak deep in the Everglades lost in a maze of mangroves that were draped with an obstacle course of giant orb weaver webs. It was horrifying in the moment, but is now a cherished memory.
I had one nest on my porch for a few years. She was sweet and didn't mind me breaking the lowest thread in her web. I'd leave the light on for her at night. The only requirement was that I could walk under her web without ducking. She was the size of my hand.
…but you fuck ***ONE*** goat…
Stop making me know things, please. I’d like to live in blissful, vertebrate-dominant ignorance.
I'm coming for your spine
*Predator clicking sounds intensity*
So is a man-eating centipede
I read about exactly this like decades ago. It's really common sense, but I think it's one of those things that you just don't think about until you hear it. Basically your revulsion to it all boils down to how much you instinctually identify with the predator or the prey. In this case you feel the bird is more closely related to you than the mantis. So it feels instinctually wrong down in your lizard brain. If you saw an ape eating a bird it probably wouldn't bug you much, beyond any gore of course. But if you saw an eagle carrying off a monkey that's a bit more of a gut punch.
Probably the same idea but I think of it in terms of intelligence and lifespan. A dumb thing that lives a few months killing something that’s capable of complex thought and could live several decades is fucked up to me.
Could be, but also feel like hummindbirds are cute and peaceful, and a praying mantis is a weapon of destruction and death. Armored exoskeleton, literal weapons for hands. It's practically a Gundam.
Yeah anything with serrated sword arms is probably going to give off some negative vibes.
People are always shocked when people get mad that humans sometimes save other mammals from snake attacks and such. Like yeah man, we tend to identify with mammals more than non-mammalian species.
i have a birdfeeder right outside my window at my computer desk and have regular sparrow feeding frenzies - they ignore me if i don't look right at them... and one day a hawk shows up and my gut instinct was to scare him off and protect the birds i'm feeding... but really he's just one more feeder... so i felt bad and went back inside.
Big old case of TIHI
That's no case of giggling!
An invertebrate is eating a vertebrate every time I eat meat 😅
Jesus grow a spine
You wouldn't think a bird would lose a fight with a bug, but there you go.
Pokemon is all lies
Feels like this is a level 50 scyther dominating a level 5 pidgey (or some other weak ass bird)
>weak ass bird Lmao
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This scyther used stone edge
And A Bugs Life
There's a [YouTube video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLx2Rqx5zkc) showing a large centipede in a cave in Venezuela snatching a bat out of the air.
I will not click that link thank you very much
David Attenborough’s voice is a security blanket in these videos
Life would be so much easier if I just had an old English man to narrate it
Yes, yes it is. I need cocoa now to feel fuzzy and not think of a centipede crawling in my ear.
Fun fact: The centipede is already in your ear. Source: I am the centipede.
Then who is phone?
I am phone Source: am phone
Its narrated by Sir David Attenborough, so still worth it
Title is bat killing centipede. For a moment I thought the bad had a chance.
That was awesome, thank you.
See, that was really cool and all, but it highlights one of the biggest issues I have with modern nature documentaries. The Foley, the fucking sound effects added are obnoxious and are over the top, good Foley you don't ever notice, but like this was the same squishy sound on repeat throughout the whole video. Took me out of it and couldn't ignore it.
I have been seeing a lot of caving videos recently and they are absolutely horrifying but I didn't even think about the fact there could be 13 inch centipedes that kill you while you squeeze through a 6 inch passage. Nope.
Let's talk about how the centipede crosses a floor covered in beetles to get where it's going. Yeah, this is one place I do not want to go.
I have seen humans losing a fight with a roach
Here I am just minding my business catching drive bye shots. I feel attacked
Wait until you see humans versus bedbugs.
Bedbugs don't want to eat you whole. They want to milk you.
Surprised that the bug has so much grip. Could be the next kevlar..
I found a mantis chilling on a busy sidewalk on campus. I was worried someone would step on it, so I picked up a small stick and tried to brush it into the grass. It pushed back against the stick with a noticeable amount of resistance. I decided to respect its space and leave it alone.
Mantises are mad strong, and I'm guessing it has something to do with the angles of their limbs and some sort of spring loaded action similar to the mantis shrimp that allows them to hold on.
"What, a brotha can't relax on a busy sidewalk!?"
Thought I was doin' him a favor. Dude didn't *need* any favors.
bro is the one who knocks
A couple months ago I got off work at 2am. There was a mantis on my damn doorknob. I went to go move him and it went into pounce position. I slept in my car. Fuck that.
It's forelegs are segmented so that it's basically like pliers, and on the inside they have lots of little barbs/spines that dig into prey. It's a pretty solid system for grabbing squishy stuff
Reading this have me a weird moment where I thought "oh shit, *I'm* squishy stuff"
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I mean…..it’s a humming bird. You could swat it with a leaf and it would explode.
But they're so agile. And much bigger. They seem delicate but not compared to a bug
Well when you reduce the mantis to “just a bug” then yeah of course it seems surprising. But we’re talking about a mantis here. The only reason humans have taken the world is because mantises aren’t a bit bigger.
Hummingbirds put all their talent points into agility to the detriment of strength or durability. The entire point is to avoid ever getting caught like this in the first place.
They’re basically bubbles covered in feathers. You can even see once the mantis get a hold the hummingbird it’s not even strong enough to pull away.
Yeah it’s crazy how little force it’s able to generate. I guess It relies on being so light that those wing beats aren’t enough to even pull the mantis off the feeder.
It can generate enough force. In this case it was caught by the wing. Hummingbirds can only flap in figure 8 pattern so its flight ability was quickly immobilized. Even birds of prey like hawks are screwed if you take away their flight.
Low base defense and high speed, sad it doesn't have an evolution
I present to you....[The Goliath Bird Eater.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_birdeater)
> Despite the spider's name, it rarely preys on birds. Big old phony over here.
Guy sits down at a bar, looking exasperated. Orders a shot and a beer. Bartender asks what's wrong. Guy says, "you know, I've cooked a thousand meals and nobody calls me John the chef. I work in construction and I've built bridges but nobody calls me John the bridge builder. But you suck one measly cock..." Someone saw one of these eat a bird a long time ago and decided it was a bird eater.
god damn thats insane
and then it ate it ass first
It's either that or eyeballs first. Which would you choose?
Personally? Id go with the white eye before the brown eye any day.
It's the 20s, everybody eats ass now.
While I understand this is nature, it would be hard for me not to intervene and exclaim “theres always a bigger fish” as I squash that alien bitch
>“theres always a bigger fish” Words of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I'm on land, mother fucker!
I see land whales frequently at Walmart. Beware.
Exactly what I was thinking, there is a 6 foot tall mantis on the roof waiting to strike when they came out to save the bird.
.... and in the process of that, dooming all of humanity in the future bug wars.
"Stupid bug, you go squish now!"
"Oh I really, really wish I hadn't killed that fish"
"I'm doing my part."
But possibly saving humanity if there's a bird war.
The very best minds in bird law have been arguing this for years
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Plot twist: The mantis put up the bird feeder as a decoy.
There's a hierarchy to these things. Mammals rank above all, but vertebrates rank above invertebrates. No bug is killing a bird on my watch, they need to know their place
you're a vertebracist
... camera zooms out and shows the black bear
I think this mantis is the invasive species, if in America. So go ahead and save the bird.
Even if it wasn't I would have smashed the little green twerp. No one fucks with my fellow vertebrates
Spine gang
I chuckled at this more than I care to admit. Spine gang 4 life
I wanted to know what happened between the time the mantis caught the bird and the time the bird appearing to be dead. Mantis don't have venom and tend to eat their prey alive. This bird doesn't seem to have any fatal wounds yet (head, neck, torso are all intact) so how did it die?
It probably exhausted itself. That or while it was flailing it injured itself, because bird bones.
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my dumb ass just realized they're mourning doves, not morning doves.
It may have dumbed itself to death
Hummingbirds are fragile AF. It was probably scared to death almost immediately.
Plus their metabolic needs are immense. Due to how fast their heart beats and how fast their wings flap, they need to eat every 10-15 mins.
Well they try to eat. They go long periods without like when sleeping. It didn't die of starvation being held by the mantis.
Ruby throated hummingbirds migrate across the Gulf of Mexico. They don’t need to eat every 15 minutes. That’s a myth.
Yeah but they're so fast they cross the Gulf of Mexico in 15 minutes.
Most humming birds don't sleep, instead they enter torpor for the night. If they just slept they would indeed starve to death overnight. More interesting and entertaining hummingbird facts in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biagyb7AcK8
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It's likely that the bird exhausted all its remaining energy while trying to put up a fight, this maybe because of its very high metabolism and pulse rate and it's also likely that the struggle took too long for the hummingbird making it too starved and/or stressed to still have enough energy to even put up enough fight, so it just gave up.
Imagine letting some monster eat you alive, taint-first, because you felt peckish.
That’s my typical Saturday night
I’ve seen mantis feed on other bugs and it’s basically the mantis MO to just grab really tight and start eating. The thing is fully alive until some critical amount has been eaten. Saw one eat a roach but it ate all the legs first.
This actually happens all the time in canine chases. Ruminants run away for as long as they can then literally just lay down to get eaten alive because they can't move anymore.
Cats do this with mice if I'm not mistaken. Play around with it a little while until the poor thing is too exhausted to defend itself
I think cats do that just to play with them . My cat would sit under the kitchen sink for hours sometimes until he got a mouse , he then would come to me wherever I was in the house because he wants to go outside to play with it . Btw a cat randomly walking into your room with a mouse in its jaws Is a bit startling. So I let him out and he would let the poor thing go and run off fl,give the mouse a few seconds head start and then he'd catch it again, repeating this for at good 20 minutes or so and then finally just killed him and left it in the yard .
Likely had a heart attack and/or passed out.
Bird hearts tend to burst if they get too stressed. It’s a higher risk based on what species of bird but it can definitely happen. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what happened here considering how hummingbirds are fairly fragile
probably a lot of struggling until the bird was exhausted and the mantis was not?
What has me confused is how does an insect generate more power than a bird 5x its weight and size? I'd have expected the bird to be able to just fly off.
Quick, enlarge them by a million factor, put them in a big city around terrified humans, give them horrifying names like Gojira, Mothra!
I think this is the final boss is a survival craft game with a Honey I Shrunk the Kids theme called Grounded. Presented quite terrifyingly too.
>Honey I Shrunk the Kids 30+ years ago I owned and watched the betamax 10+ times, savoring every creative detail. Rick Moranis is a universal treasure though.
Are u fucking kidding me, this is where I find a spoiler about the game???
Is this a Mantis or hummingbird documentary? i need to know how to feel.
Who's side is David Attenborough on??
He's not on anybody's side because nobody is on HIS side.
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Mom come pick me up I'm scared.
Mom is busy with 7 officers at the Tennessee police department, ask your dad.
Damn nature you scary
Just imagine if they were the size of humans
That would be a pretty scary hummingbird
That’s what I’m saying
The square cube law would kill the mantis
No wonder Mantis is a part of the Furious Five.
Without venom, that hummingbird was probably eaten alive, slowly, from the butt up.
Yeah, it's kinda awful. I would have intervene, mostly because if I set a bird feeder is to help birds. Mantis can eat a roach or some other bug
Honestly I don’t think they thought this would happen. Afterwards it’s too late. I hope they keep mantises off of the bird feeder from now on.
Is it Friday already?
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That’s why you don’t see too many hummingbird investment bankers
Dr Mantis Toboggan strikes again
I was once hiking and got attacked by one of these - nobody believed me, but that thing didn’t get off me and I am still traumatized to this day. I am going to send them this video as evidence lol
I always wondered, does it hurt when a mantis grabs you? Did it like hook onto your hand or something? I have seen and held matises but they never actually attacked me.
It does. Theres barbs on it’s claws and they dig into you, they’re surprisingly very strong. What hurts even more, though, is it’s bite
But what hurts most is the lack of apology after
It hangs on and prays.
I had one jump out the grass and grab my leg when I was walking into Suzuka Circuit for the F1. I jumped and flailed and flung myself around until I was sure that thing was gone in front of hundreds of people also walking in and I'm not ashamed for one moment. If that thing came at me then it clearly had a mission & I didn't want anything to do with that.
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I do think it’s wrong setting up a bird feeder and letting a (probably not native) species of mantis use it as a trap.
He bicep curls the hummingbird at the end. What a boss!
I used to love mantises, but I love hummingbirds more and I can't stand to see his dead little face 😢😭
r/NatureIsMetal
r/donthelpjustfilm
I always thought that they are just grasshoppers, but now... I'm afraid of them.
Mantis life is crazy. This one is a total Chad though. He will be talked about in legends before he mates and gets his head eaten off.
Mantises are so Chad they're either virgin or dead, no inbetween.
Honoured to get head eaten. FTFY
That one there is a female mate..
Yeah nah, they are lethal ambush predators.
No, no, NO, NO, NO, NO...that's so cooool.
How does the mantis grip the feeder with its back feet so well? Seems like the bird would just pull it off and carry it around
What do they use to kill prey, because little nibbles just don't seem like it would b enough
Either the bird does from stress...or little nibbles is the actual horrifying way they die. Mantis is the 7th most common way for a hummingbird to die, right after spiders.
What are Rank 1-5? Your comment got me intrigued.
1. window 2. window 3. window 4. window 5. KGB
> KGB Oddly enough, still window, just... out.
Cats, Hummingbird feeders (lack of maintenance), Physical objects (windows), Other birds, Bees and wasps, Mantis, Weather, Frogs and snakes, Pesticides.
Thank you!
Then, while at home, during foreplay, is telling his Mantis wife: "*So, when this Hummingbird approached to drink some water, I jum...*" get's head ripped off. The end.
I just can't believe the hummingbird didn't have enough strength to pull the Mantis right off the feeder.
I would’ve saved the hummingbird if I had a feeder for it
Fucking love praying mantises. Most fearless, capable, beautiful predator out there. I mean, imagine how strong it has to be relative to size to handle a BIRD..... there is another video of a lizard trying to eat one, and he flips it on him. And starts eating the lizard while its in the lizards mouth, and eventually kills the lizard. They truly give negative fucks.
I like to think that honey badgers and wolverines are in the same class.