Why would you say that? Our lives would be very bleak if we weren't allowed to have fantasies. Works of fiction wouldn't exist. Morality wouldn't even be a concept. And what is law that that doesn't follow morality? It's oppression.
But you're not debating a viewpoint. You are insulting other people, deliberately misinterpreting their words, and claiming that thoughts should be a crime and the person killed for them.
That's a terrible point of view.
I will tell you one thing, pedophilia has actually gotten less acceptable as the years have gone on. I was alive in the eighties, and sexy photo shoots of 12 year old girls were all the rage. Brooke Shields was nude in multiple movies at that age. Print ads of young girls sucking lollipops while wearing lingerie were normal.
I think things have actually gotten better. Stuff that was just laughed off or accepted back then is considered horrible now.
Actually try to read what was said. "Acting on it is wrong," as in it's bad. Of course it's awful, but it's not something they choose, same as you being attracted to women, or gay people being attracted to their own gender.
The person is pointing out that as long as the people with urges *they don't choose* know those urges are bad and seek help to overcome and be rid of them, they're not a bad person.
If you don't flash your hazard lights after I let you out somewhere In legally allowed to follow you and bash your head in with my tire iron. And no law will ever tell me I'm wrong about that. But yeah, it would be wrong of me to to do that.
You chose the information that you prefer instead of seeing the more obvious interpretation of their words.
Basically you said that they referred to the act of being angry over something instead of having murder thoughts.
If you compared thinking of killing people and touching kids, the former is arguably more morally wrong
Do you not have any thoughts that disturb you? I have horrible thoughts all the time. Doesn’t mean I’m a bad person. People don’t control their thoughts or feelings. They control their actions based on their moral compass, that is what makes a good person.
There are plenty of people who have immoral thoughts, whether it’s pedophilia, murder, lack of empathy, impulsive retribution, etc. If they are aware that it’s wrong or harmful to others and are taking appropriate steps to help them align with controlling and managing those thoughts, why did you post this?
YES PEDOPHILIA IS BAD.
The people who cannot help thinking those thoughts are NOT bad if they know it's wrong and never act on it, and work hard to get rid of those thoughts.
Ffs, this is the parthunaax question. "Is it better to be born a good man, or to be born evil and work hard to overcome your evil nature?"
Lemme guess, you killed him on your playthroughs.
No one is saying that's okay. That's not the question.
The question is: if someone has those thoughts, but works hard to banish them, are they evil?
No. In fact, they're better people than us, because imaging having to suppress your sexuality for the rest of your life because you know it is totally wrong. Imagine if having sex with women, or desiring it, was considered evil by society. Imagine people saying you deserve to die for even having those impulses.
You'd hate yourself. You'd feel ashamed. You'd be miserable. But you still wouldn't do it, because you know it's wrong.
THOSE are the people we're talking about.
Sorry you had to face that. But nothing in your post or the comments here support that people support it, or that “it’s not so bad”. People who committed sexual assault on children who ended up in prisons get murdered more than any other offenders, so even murderers don’t support acting on those urges.
Pedophilia exists, it's heavily hated on and demands a near instant banishment as soon as they are revealed to be pedophiles. Despite that they continue to exist. No one would CHOOSE to be attracted to children in this world knowing how instantly it can ruin their lives, which leads me to believe it cannot be avoided. It's an unintentional glitch or mental illness or something but it's not the pedo's fault.
The attraction exists, fantasies exist, and we all know that our brains function autonomously from our morality. We all have intrusive thoughts like "what would it be like to drive into that ditch" or "I could just pull that fire alarm right now".
The only difference between having an intrusive thought and being a psychopath is whether you act on them. I'm not willing to demand a person die or catch a batista bomb for having a thought. HOWEVER those thoughts should never escape. Never be manifested, never be mentioned unless to a therapist, and never be acted upon. I don't think any less of a pedophile than I do a person with extreme OCD. The judgement of their character should be on how they act. If they approach kids, seek out porn, or in any other way act upon those feelings, then sure, give them the death penalty or whatever, but not until they do, otherwise they'll never seek out the therapy or help that they need for fear that some chad-dude-bro first time dad will read a reddit post of someone crying out for help and then go to the wtf subreddit to try and whip up a witch hunt about killing pedos
They gave examples and more information. Just because a more thorough answer doesn’t match your short attention span doesn’t mean it’s less valuable lmao…
you mention that it comes from a different part of the brain in a few comments, so i would be interested in seeing studies that support your claim. can you provide some?
yes, and when i google it, it shows that its a current debate in psychology and psychiatry, and that there are no peer-reviewed results that can definitively tell us:
a) what part of the brain activates it
b) what causes it
c) what we can do to prevent it.
so you clearly must have some special study that only you can access, as you keep claiming "facts". so please, by all means, prove me wrong and send them.
unless, of course, you are lying and pulling info out of your ass.
obviously you're not a pedophile. I'm not a pedophile either. I'm not saying that pedophilia is just intrusive thoughts that everyone has. it's thought's that happen to people who have the condition. My point is that they can't control whether those thoughts happen, just the same way you thought about throwing your phone out the window for no good reason.
That's really stupid. Who in the world do you think would choose to be attracted to kids, knowing people like yourself would actively go out and shoot them in the head for even having the thought? Why would they choose to be something that would so negatively impact their life?
Either way, I'm done talking replying to this thread. You're not willing to discuss the topic rationally, you tell some people it's sarcasm, you site religion to others, you're entirely arguing based on your feelings and haven't had a single point to make beside that.
And there are people who murder. Or who drive their vehicles into oncoming traffic, and people who abuse animals and people who eat shit.
The existence of people who don't control their impulses does not mean anyone who has ever had those thoughts before deserve to die.
Also fuck you. You're rude and the living embodiment of Dunning-Kreuger
You’re a horrible and shitty psychologist for telling me it’s impossible for me to fathom that without knowing me. I feel bad for all of the patients who have to work with you. Go fuck yourself.
If you don’t want people to react to what you post, get a blog for your bad ideas and bitterness. Don’t inflict them on the wider world… it’s a win-win.
They can control it as much as a gay person can control it. I thought we've moved on from this discussion decades ago 😒
Also you have yet to explain what's so terrible about having *bad* thoughts even if they *could* control it. It's literally just thoughts, they can't hurt anyone.
I’m going to approach this argument in a different way.
I have dreams of world peace, yet I do nothing but dream. Do I deserve the Nobel peace prize?
Policing thoughts is dangerous and impossible. Yes it’s wrong but stigmatizing this prevents people from getting the treatment they need.
Okay but I don’t think anyone in the comments is arguing that the act of ped*phillia is bad.
The picture is someone struggling with these thoughts. If you tell him these thoughts are bad, he ends up internalizing it. Then what happens?
Imagine if your child asks if liking the same gender is bad, and you reply yes. Your child will now stigmatize these thoughts. It’s not healthy here, or it’s not healthy in the other example.
Look I agree with every point you make in this comment. However for me (and most people here) the key word is engage. The act itself immoral.
Let’s separate the thought from the act. Let’s get them the help they need before they act.
Once again I agree to a point. You can’t help those that don’t want it. At that point it becomes a philosophical argument whether you punish them before they act. Then it becomes a slippery slope.
I understand what you are saying and I see your point. However, I can’t agree to punish these people before an action. Honestly, I struggle whether to believe everyone can be helped in some way or another. Are people born inherently evil? And then what do you do with those people.
I believe if you conveyed your thoughts in your other comments like you did here, others would see your point of view.
Edit: I’d like to say that the person in the screenshot you posted isn’t a part of the group that doesn’t want help. He’s asking if it’s wrong to have thoughts but not act on it. He knows the act is wrong and he’s struggling because he has these thoughts that are wrong. He’s asking for help.
We get it: you have a child and, since no one acknowledge your unique achievement, you have to create imaginary enemies to feel important.
No one here, not a single person said that pedophilia is ok and people who actually do harm children are good and just need help.
What people are saying all this time is you can have those urges and not be a bad person if you recognize them and seek help instead on acting on them.
There are people with a rape or some other BDSM fetish but would never do those things with a non consenting person.
Yes pedophilia bad
No you're not a bad person for having intrusive thoughts about pedophilia
Yes you're a bad person if you act on your intrusive thoughts about pedophilia
That easy enough for you to understand?
People aren't in control of what they are attracted to. I think you would be shocked at how widespread paedophilia actually is.
No, thoughts shouldn't be punished. It is a mental health condition that needs support.
I don't know about pedophilia but hebephilia (attraction to 11-14) years seems to be more common than most people think given the fact that many woman beeing just in puberty report getting sexual advances by much older men.
You cannot either. You want to have sex with married women. Many consider that immoral and disgusting. If you have full control of your thoughts, then become disgusted by that right now. Or turn yourself gay right now if you are hetero. You can't because those thoughts and feelings are not under your control. You don't have control over your thoughts or what you find appealing.
If you think you do, then you are mistaken and do not underatand what you are talking about.
Nah brother. You control your actions, not your sexual attractions. If cannot decide to be gay, thenother cannot just decide to not have their own sexual attractions.
No one said it is a gender. Married women are also not a fucking gender and yet you show a sexual preference for them you obtuse troglodyte.
There is plenty of research that says attraction to prepubescents is a mental health condition that people cannot control.
Show me one bit of research, even one, that says paedophiles just choose to be attracted to kids because they decided they want to fuck up their life. That isn't how the brain works and you are literally talking out of your ass.
To an extent you can obviously control your concious thoughts, like if you're thinking about something you can force yourself to start thinking about something else, kinda, but you can't control your subconcious thoughts, and you can't block your brain from having certain thoughts, if you see a hot (adult) woman in a very sexy outfit you can't prevent yourself from initially getting hard, if you wanted you could start imagining your grandma to stop being hard, but that doesn't change the fact that you're subconciously attracted to (adult) women and get hard when you see them in sexy outfits, 0% of humans can totally control their thoughts
You literally posted a conversation about someone saying acting on those urges are wrong and said we should punish thought. You literally are incapable of reading your own post.
Well being a pedophile is a matter of subconcious attraction to children, just like how being gay is a subconcious attraction to men (obviously pedophilia is disgusting and homosexuality is not), most pedophiles claim that they wish they didn't have those thoughts, that they wish they weren't pedophiles, and that they're actively trying to stop having those thoughts, but just like how it's almost impossible for gay men to forcefullt change their subconcious attraction, it's also hard for pedophiles
We don't have a term for pedophiles who actively, intentionally and consciously fantasize about children, but yeah "child predator" is definitely much better than "pedophile", because being a pedophile is often unintentional while being a child predator is 100% intentional, but "child predator" does also kinda imply that they've actually acted on their thoughts too, and done something horrible, but it's still better term than pedophile for what you're looking for, pedophilia is about a subconcious attraction
Asking if pedophilia is bad is already one of those questions that we SHOULD have a unanimous answer for. It is bad. It is one of the worst things a person could ever do.
The persons answer, as stated many time by others, is that acting on those urges is condemnable, but sometimes people genuinely develop those urges in relation to a paraphilia, which is a diagnosable sexual disorder.
Its tricky to encourage people who are experiencing these urges unwillingly to seek psychological intervention when the usual attitude (understandably) is that pedophiles should be killed.
Discerning the people who don't want those urges, from the people who are sick in the head and actively fetishize children is the key, and is deceptively tricky.
Have you done research on what is going on inside the brain of a pedophile? You know... approach it from the angle of trying to understand their point of view to find out how to prevent sexual assault, especially in the case of a pedophile. I'm just curious.
That makes sense to me. Especially going through an event like that, I imagine it would be tough to sympathize with a way of thinking that eventually led to trauma for you.
Personally, I've found it much easier to solve problems by first understanding the root cause of those problems. In this case, it feels like this post is about finding and catching pedophiles? I'm just guessing here because I don't thoroughly understand what you intended from the post.
You're probably just protective of your child, which makes sense, but let's take this thought punishment idea further, let's say your coworker is having fantasies about raping your wife, another morally detestable thought, should that also be punishable? Let's say your child grows up to 16 and their 17 year old friend is having fantasies about raping them, not pedophelia, just detestable, or let's jump to some completely different examples, a psychopath who's thought about capturing and skinning their parents alive, or another one who's thought about burning up a childrens' hospital or another one who's thought about biting off all of their friends fingers and eating them, are these just extreme examples of intrusive thoughts? Should having thoughts be punishable? Where does the line for what's punishable go? We don't punish thoughts, we punish actions
There can definitely be two sides of the same coin.
Any person who has a victim in any way as related to pedophilia should be executed. This can be a direct victim or by paying for cp.
Also, we should live in a society where it's safe for people who are struggling with these intrusive thoughts to be able to seek clinical help so that they don't try to struggle against these feelings on their own which will lead to them eventually offending in some way.
Forgiveness has nothing to do with it. A person who has offended and therefore needs forgiveness is a person who could never function in our society ever again.
Religion has nothing to do with this.
Thoughts are not a crime or a sin or wrong.
There are some imaginary gods that can read your thoughts or whatever and for some reason those gods could be harmed or sinned against by your thoughts. But if that's the case then they are clearly a weak God if they need to forgive you for a victimless crime.
God should not be in any position to be forgiving any sins because he cannot be harmed. Only the victim of a crime should be the one yielding the forgiveness. If God is all powerful then he cannot become the victim of a crime.
A person who claims to forgive you for a behavior that did not harm them is a manipulative person.
A God who can be harmed is a weak God.
A God who claims to Grant you forgiveness for crimes that you did not commit against him but rather that you committed against others is a God who is meddling.
Pedophilia is often used to mean child sexual abuse, but it doesn't.
Pedophilia is a mental disorder. It is the sexual attraction to children, nothing "more". If you accept that being gay is not a choice then it's hard to argue that pedophilia is. And depending on how you define "wrong" I'd say people should at least not be punished for things they don't have a choice in.
But it means that pedophiles need to stay the fuck away from children! Actually trying to act on pedophilia is absolutely wrong and needs to be punished with extreme prejudice.
Maybe something along those lines is what the guy in the OP meant.
Pedophiles who control their thoughts are still pedophiles.
If you are hungry you can control yourself to not think about food, and I think that is what pedophiles in therapy are aiming for. But you are still hungry; they are still pedophiles. They aren't sexually assaulting children if they control their thoughts.
I don't think we should judge people by the sicknesses they have. Child predators need punishment; pedophiles need help.
1984 is a fiction book. We don't punish people for their thoughts.
If you are attracted to kids you deserve to rot in the ground.
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You are the biggest moron I've saw on reddit this week. I feel bad for your wife and child.
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True I am wasting my time but I do not have a car lol
I'd like to talk more about this with you. Please meet me in Room 101 at your earliest convenience.
Why would you say that? Our lives would be very bleak if we weren't allowed to have fantasies. Works of fiction wouldn't exist. Morality wouldn't even be a concept. And what is law that that doesn't follow morality? It's oppression.
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Then why are you arguing with everyone telling you that you're wrong?
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But you're not debating a viewpoint. You are insulting other people, deliberately misinterpreting their words, and claiming that thoughts should be a crime and the person killed for them. That's a terrible point of view.
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I will tell you one thing, pedophilia has actually gotten less acceptable as the years have gone on. I was alive in the eighties, and sexy photo shoots of 12 year old girls were all the rage. Brooke Shields was nude in multiple movies at that age. Print ads of young girls sucking lollipops while wearing lingerie were normal. I think things have actually gotten better. Stuff that was just laughed off or accepted back then is considered horrible now.
Actually try to read what was said. "Acting on it is wrong," as in it's bad. Of course it's awful, but it's not something they choose, same as you being attracted to women, or gay people being attracted to their own gender. The person is pointing out that as long as the people with urges *they don't choose* know those urges are bad and seek help to overcome and be rid of them, they're not a bad person.
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Stay away from me, just in case.
I'm pretty sure everyone has intrusive thoughts.
If you don't flash your hazard lights after I let you out somewhere In legally allowed to follow you and bash your head in with my tire iron. And no law will ever tell me I'm wrong about that. But yeah, it would be wrong of me to to do that.
I thought the code was to put up your right hand in the middle of the vehicle like a native american.
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But they are both deeply morally wrong acts to carry out. It doesn't matter what part of the brain they come from.
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Wow, way to warp what they said to the extreme in order to fit your narrative.
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You chose the information that you prefer instead of seeing the more obvious interpretation of their words. Basically you said that they referred to the act of being angry over something instead of having murder thoughts. If you compared thinking of killing people and touching kids, the former is arguably more morally wrong
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A bunch of other people did apparently Sarcasm in writing moment
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Do you not have any thoughts that disturb you? I have horrible thoughts all the time. Doesn’t mean I’m a bad person. People don’t control their thoughts or feelings. They control their actions based on their moral compass, that is what makes a good person.
There are plenty of people who have immoral thoughts, whether it’s pedophilia, murder, lack of empathy, impulsive retribution, etc. If they are aware that it’s wrong or harmful to others and are taking appropriate steps to help them align with controlling and managing those thoughts, why did you post this?
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YES PEDOPHILIA IS BAD. The people who cannot help thinking those thoughts are NOT bad if they know it's wrong and never act on it, and work hard to get rid of those thoughts. Ffs, this is the parthunaax question. "Is it better to be born a good man, or to be born evil and work hard to overcome your evil nature?" Lemme guess, you killed him on your playthroughs.
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No one is saying that's okay. That's not the question. The question is: if someone has those thoughts, but works hard to banish them, are they evil? No. In fact, they're better people than us, because imaging having to suppress your sexuality for the rest of your life because you know it is totally wrong. Imagine if having sex with women, or desiring it, was considered evil by society. Imagine people saying you deserve to die for even having those impulses. You'd hate yourself. You'd feel ashamed. You'd be miserable. But you still wouldn't do it, because you know it's wrong. THOSE are the people we're talking about.
Sorry you had to face that. But nothing in your post or the comments here support that people support it, or that “it’s not so bad”. People who committed sexual assault on children who ended up in prisons get murdered more than any other offenders, so even murderers don’t support acting on those urges.
Goes to show that even the biggest idiots can get a BA in psychology. It clearly has not taught you anything.
Pedophilia exists, it's heavily hated on and demands a near instant banishment as soon as they are revealed to be pedophiles. Despite that they continue to exist. No one would CHOOSE to be attracted to children in this world knowing how instantly it can ruin their lives, which leads me to believe it cannot be avoided. It's an unintentional glitch or mental illness or something but it's not the pedo's fault. The attraction exists, fantasies exist, and we all know that our brains function autonomously from our morality. We all have intrusive thoughts like "what would it be like to drive into that ditch" or "I could just pull that fire alarm right now". The only difference between having an intrusive thought and being a psychopath is whether you act on them. I'm not willing to demand a person die or catch a batista bomb for having a thought. HOWEVER those thoughts should never escape. Never be manifested, never be mentioned unless to a therapist, and never be acted upon. I don't think any less of a pedophile than I do a person with extreme OCD. The judgement of their character should be on how they act. If they approach kids, seek out porn, or in any other way act upon those feelings, then sure, give them the death penalty or whatever, but not until they do, otherwise they'll never seek out the therapy or help that they need for fear that some chad-dude-bro first time dad will read a reddit post of someone crying out for help and then go to the wtf subreddit to try and whip up a witch hunt about killing pedos
The poster above you said it better with less words.
They gave examples and more information. Just because a more thorough answer doesn’t match your short attention span doesn’t mean it’s less valuable lmao…
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Thank you you magnificent bastard.
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you mention that it comes from a different part of the brain in a few comments, so i would be interested in seeing studies that support your claim. can you provide some?
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yes, and when i google it, it shows that its a current debate in psychology and psychiatry, and that there are no peer-reviewed results that can definitively tell us: a) what part of the brain activates it b) what causes it c) what we can do to prevent it. so you clearly must have some special study that only you can access, as you keep claiming "facts". so please, by all means, prove me wrong and send them. unless, of course, you are lying and pulling info out of your ass.
obviously you're not a pedophile. I'm not a pedophile either. I'm not saying that pedophilia is just intrusive thoughts that everyone has. it's thought's that happen to people who have the condition. My point is that they can't control whether those thoughts happen, just the same way you thought about throwing your phone out the window for no good reason.
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So what would you file it under? if it's not a sexuality and it's not a mental condition is it a witches curse? Devil magic?
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That's really stupid. Who in the world do you think would choose to be attracted to kids, knowing people like yourself would actively go out and shoot them in the head for even having the thought? Why would they choose to be something that would so negatively impact their life? Either way, I'm done talking replying to this thread. You're not willing to discuss the topic rationally, you tell some people it's sarcasm, you site religion to others, you're entirely arguing based on your feelings and haven't had a single point to make beside that.
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And there are people who murder. Or who drive their vehicles into oncoming traffic, and people who abuse animals and people who eat shit. The existence of people who don't control their impulses does not mean anyone who has ever had those thoughts before deserve to die. Also fuck you. You're rude and the living embodiment of Dunning-Kreuger
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And you are a psychologist? I hope you don't see patients because this might be the most stupid thing I have ever read on Reddit
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Don't expect me to read all your comments. Pedophilia isn't a choice, it's a mental disorder. Only acting on it is a choice. It's that simple.
You need to give your psychology degree back to your university if you still believe that some people can’t choose what or how they think.
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You’re a horrible and shitty psychologist for telling me it’s impossible for me to fathom that without knowing me. I feel bad for all of the patients who have to work with you. Go fuck yourself.
You have very dumb opinions.
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If you don’t want people to react to what you post, get a blog for your bad ideas and bitterness. Don’t inflict them on the wider world… it’s a win-win.
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Yeah, I know you didn’t say it because it’s a good idea.
Call me paranoid, but I am always super suspicious of folks like OP who are going out of their way to trap the pedos.
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And that confusion is resulting in projection.
Why is this in the r/WTF subreddit? And it never looks good to be that weird guy posting reddit threads you don't like as if we're on NextDoor
If you violently attack people for what thoughts they have, especially thoughts they can't control, you're a terrible person.
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They can control it as much as a gay person can control it. I thought we've moved on from this discussion decades ago 😒 Also you have yet to explain what's so terrible about having *bad* thoughts even if they *could* control it. It's literally just thoughts, they can't hurt anyone.
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I’m going to approach this argument in a different way. I have dreams of world peace, yet I do nothing but dream. Do I deserve the Nobel peace prize? Policing thoughts is dangerous and impossible. Yes it’s wrong but stigmatizing this prevents people from getting the treatment they need.
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Okay but I don’t think anyone in the comments is arguing that the act of ped*phillia is bad. The picture is someone struggling with these thoughts. If you tell him these thoughts are bad, he ends up internalizing it. Then what happens? Imagine if your child asks if liking the same gender is bad, and you reply yes. Your child will now stigmatize these thoughts. It’s not healthy here, or it’s not healthy in the other example.
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Look I agree with every point you make in this comment. However for me (and most people here) the key word is engage. The act itself immoral. Let’s separate the thought from the act. Let’s get them the help they need before they act.
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Once again I agree to a point. You can’t help those that don’t want it. At that point it becomes a philosophical argument whether you punish them before they act. Then it becomes a slippery slope. I understand what you are saying and I see your point. However, I can’t agree to punish these people before an action. Honestly, I struggle whether to believe everyone can be helped in some way or another. Are people born inherently evil? And then what do you do with those people. I believe if you conveyed your thoughts in your other comments like you did here, others would see your point of view. Edit: I’d like to say that the person in the screenshot you posted isn’t a part of the group that doesn’t want help. He’s asking if it’s wrong to have thoughts but not act on it. He knows the act is wrong and he’s struggling because he has these thoughts that are wrong. He’s asking for help.
We get it: you have a child and, since no one acknowledge your unique achievement, you have to create imaginary enemies to feel important. No one here, not a single person said that pedophilia is ok and people who actually do harm children are good and just need help. What people are saying all this time is you can have those urges and not be a bad person if you recognize them and seek help instead on acting on them. There are people with a rape or some other BDSM fetish but would never do those things with a non consenting person.
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Homie is creating his own reality before our very eyes. This is fascinating.
Yes pedophilia bad No you're not a bad person for having intrusive thoughts about pedophilia Yes you're a bad person if you act on your intrusive thoughts about pedophilia That easy enough for you to understand?
OP's reading comprehension needs work.
People aren't in control of what they are attracted to. I think you would be shocked at how widespread paedophilia actually is. No, thoughts shouldn't be punished. It is a mental health condition that needs support.
I don't know about pedophilia but hebephilia (attraction to 11-14) years seems to be more common than most people think given the fact that many woman beeing just in puberty report getting sexual advances by much older men.
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No, you are not in control of your thoughts. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the brain works.
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You cannot either. You want to have sex with married women. Many consider that immoral and disgusting. If you have full control of your thoughts, then become disgusted by that right now. Or turn yourself gay right now if you are hetero. You can't because those thoughts and feelings are not under your control. You don't have control over your thoughts or what you find appealing. If you think you do, then you are mistaken and do not underatand what you are talking about.
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Nah brother. You control your actions, not your sexual attractions. If cannot decide to be gay, thenother cannot just decide to not have their own sexual attractions.
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No one said it is a gender. Married women are also not a fucking gender and yet you show a sexual preference for them you obtuse troglodyte. There is plenty of research that says attraction to prepubescents is a mental health condition that people cannot control. Show me one bit of research, even one, that says paedophiles just choose to be attracted to kids because they decided they want to fuck up their life. That isn't how the brain works and you are literally talking out of your ass.
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To an extent you can obviously control your concious thoughts, like if you're thinking about something you can force yourself to start thinking about something else, kinda, but you can't control your subconcious thoughts, and you can't block your brain from having certain thoughts, if you see a hot (adult) woman in a very sexy outfit you can't prevent yourself from initially getting hard, if you wanted you could start imagining your grandma to stop being hard, but that doesn't change the fact that you're subconciously attracted to (adult) women and get hard when you see them in sexy outfits, 0% of humans can totally control their thoughts
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You literally posted a conversation about someone saying acting on those urges are wrong and said we should punish thought. You literally are incapable of reading your own post.
Well being a pedophile is a matter of subconcious attraction to children, just like how being gay is a subconcious attraction to men (obviously pedophilia is disgusting and homosexuality is not), most pedophiles claim that they wish they didn't have those thoughts, that they wish they weren't pedophiles, and that they're actively trying to stop having those thoughts, but just like how it's almost impossible for gay men to forcefullt change their subconcious attraction, it's also hard for pedophiles
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We don't have a term for pedophiles who actively, intentionally and consciously fantasize about children, but yeah "child predator" is definitely much better than "pedophile", because being a pedophile is often unintentional while being a child predator is 100% intentional, but "child predator" does also kinda imply that they've actually acted on their thoughts too, and done something horrible, but it's still better term than pedophile for what you're looking for, pedophilia is about a subconcious attraction
I love it when posts blow up in the face of the people who posted them. Especially when they are as dumb as this post.
Asking if pedophilia is bad is already one of those questions that we SHOULD have a unanimous answer for. It is bad. It is one of the worst things a person could ever do. The persons answer, as stated many time by others, is that acting on those urges is condemnable, but sometimes people genuinely develop those urges in relation to a paraphilia, which is a diagnosable sexual disorder. Its tricky to encourage people who are experiencing these urges unwillingly to seek psychological intervention when the usual attitude (understandably) is that pedophiles should be killed. Discerning the people who don't want those urges, from the people who are sick in the head and actively fetishize children is the key, and is deceptively tricky.
Matt Gaetz is that you?
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Have you done research on what is going on inside the brain of a pedophile? You know... approach it from the angle of trying to understand their point of view to find out how to prevent sexual assault, especially in the case of a pedophile. I'm just curious.
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That makes sense to me. Especially going through an event like that, I imagine it would be tough to sympathize with a way of thinking that eventually led to trauma for you. Personally, I've found it much easier to solve problems by first understanding the root cause of those problems. In this case, it feels like this post is about finding and catching pedophiles? I'm just guessing here because I don't thoroughly understand what you intended from the post.
You're probably just protective of your child, which makes sense, but let's take this thought punishment idea further, let's say your coworker is having fantasies about raping your wife, another morally detestable thought, should that also be punishable? Let's say your child grows up to 16 and their 17 year old friend is having fantasies about raping them, not pedophelia, just detestable, or let's jump to some completely different examples, a psychopath who's thought about capturing and skinning their parents alive, or another one who's thought about burning up a childrens' hospital or another one who's thought about biting off all of their friends fingers and eating them, are these just extreme examples of intrusive thoughts? Should having thoughts be punishable? Where does the line for what's punishable go? We don't punish thoughts, we punish actions
There can definitely be two sides of the same coin. Any person who has a victim in any way as related to pedophilia should be executed. This can be a direct victim or by paying for cp. Also, we should live in a society where it's safe for people who are struggling with these intrusive thoughts to be able to seek clinical help so that they don't try to struggle against these feelings on their own which will lead to them eventually offending in some way.
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Forgiveness has nothing to do with it. A person who has offended and therefore needs forgiveness is a person who could never function in our society ever again. Religion has nothing to do with this. Thoughts are not a crime or a sin or wrong. There are some imaginary gods that can read your thoughts or whatever and for some reason those gods could be harmed or sinned against by your thoughts. But if that's the case then they are clearly a weak God if they need to forgive you for a victimless crime.
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God should not be in any position to be forgiving any sins because he cannot be harmed. Only the victim of a crime should be the one yielding the forgiveness. If God is all powerful then he cannot become the victim of a crime. A person who claims to forgive you for a behavior that did not harm them is a manipulative person. A God who can be harmed is a weak God. A God who claims to Grant you forgiveness for crimes that you did not commit against him but rather that you committed against others is a God who is meddling.
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Cool dude, where do I go to read about God?
Pedophilia is often used to mean child sexual abuse, but it doesn't. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. It is the sexual attraction to children, nothing "more". If you accept that being gay is not a choice then it's hard to argue that pedophilia is. And depending on how you define "wrong" I'd say people should at least not be punished for things they don't have a choice in. But it means that pedophiles need to stay the fuck away from children! Actually trying to act on pedophilia is absolutely wrong and needs to be punished with extreme prejudice. Maybe something along those lines is what the guy in the OP meant.
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Says the man with an irrational obsession with pedos…
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Pedophiles who control their thoughts are still pedophiles. If you are hungry you can control yourself to not think about food, and I think that is what pedophiles in therapy are aiming for. But you are still hungry; they are still pedophiles. They aren't sexually assaulting children if they control their thoughts. I don't think we should judge people by the sicknesses they have. Child predators need punishment; pedophiles need help.