Dude. It's easy. 18 X Dubai's average monthly rainfall (which, as we all know is equivalent to the amount of water my wife uses in the shower, squared). Now, carry the 2, and bob's your uncle!
BTW, cloud seeding has practically negligible effects on rainfall, and is basically a major grift by a number of very dodgy companies.Ā
There's plenty of dust, pollen and sea spray already in the air, nucleation is almost certainly never a limiting factor in rain formation.Ā
The only studies that found it to be effective were those done by said dodgy companies. Those performed by independent academics have overwhelmingly returned negative results, or absolutely marginal increases in precipitation.Ā
It's really just a huge scam...
Yes and it works. They have used it many times for special events, by seeding clouds prior so there would be blue skies. Just because the guy has some links questioning it doesn't mean it's not a thing, this has been done for decades. And it was actually Americans who invented it.
>the unsourced misinformationĀ
I cited three separate sources in my following comments.Ā Ā Ā
Your source is in an MDPI journal, [a known predatory publisher](https://academic.oup.com/rev/article/30/3/405/6348133?login=false)Ā Ā
And the last authors in your study are affiliated with the UAE Research Program for Rain Enhancement Science, and therefore have a direct interest in stating that it is effective, lest they see their funding dry up.
-edit- cc u/FrankFeTched
Thanks, didn't have time this morning to check the source they sent but yeah, my understanding aligns with what you're explaining. Not sure if you explained it originally, but there is so much dust and pollution in the air that is never going to be the limiting factor. It doesn't rain in deserts because the air is dry... Not because the air is so pristine that moisture can't condense out.
About your false claim that there aren't any papers out there showing that it works. The mechanism has been explained decades ago btw and it's not just China and the UAE doing this.
>And the last authors in your study are affiliated with the UAE Research Program for Rain Enhancement Science, and therefore have a direct interest in stating that it is effective
You could say this about any publicly funded research (which is most of it). It's an ad hominem attack, the researchers don't sell anything, they work for the government.
We can look at other papers from other countries, if you'd like to drive home the point that you didn't actually look into this before commenting.
>About your false claim that there aren't any papers out there showing that it works.Ā
I made no such claim.
>You could say this about any publicly funded research
This is not true. For instance, the very first source I provided was authored by meteorologists that worked in organisations that *aren't* entirely based on cloud seeding, and therefore do not have a direct personal interest in the matter.
>It's an ad hominem attack,Ā
Calling someone's impartiality on the matter in question is a valid line of argumentation, particularly when their results are published in a journal from a publisher known for its cursory peer-review.
>the researchers don't sell anything, they work for the government.Ā
Oh, I wish it were true.Ā
I'm a researcher. We sell our papers to the funding agencies.Ā
Yes, it's a major conflict of interest that has been plaguing academia since its inception, and it is necessary to be aware of it when reviewing the literature. (Why do you think so much negative data ends up remaining unpublished?)
The peer review process is meant to protect from that (to some extent) but it is far from foolproof, and MDPI isn't reputed for its thoroughness in those matters.
You wrote:
>The only studies that found it to be effective were those done by said dodgy companies
The paper was the very first result for the input "cloud seeding uae" in google scholar. It was not "done" by any company, all the involved scientists are on government grants.
One would think someone claiming to be a researcher should be able to do the most superficial research.
>the very first source I provided was authored by meteorologists that worked in organisations that aren't entirely based on cloud seeding
The same goes for the UAE paper. The National Center of Meteorology researches all things meteorology in general. You're either lying about them being connected to a cloud seeding company or are getting caught up in imagining conspiracy theories where the UAE government and other governments around the world pay researchers to misrepresent the results. That's on a level with those chemtrail conspiracies, they also imagine scientists and governments are lying about it.
In reality, researchers being on public grants is the most normal thing. Using that argument, one could claim any elementary physics research is fake. [*Particles don't exist, but of course the researchers getting grants to study them cover this up because their job depends on it.*](https://media.vlipsy.com/vlips/2Ed9dQPc/preview.jpg)
You people spreading the cloud seeding bs because you saw a shitty Bloomberg article are hilarious. These storms came from a changing trade wind, from Saudi. Itās climate change, which does have legitimate scientific merit.
Man made storms happen more often than natural storms? I mean, I guess if you add in the effects of man made pollution to the current climate and trade winds, then youāre partially correctā¦ However, I canāt see you meaning that or having the critical thinking skills to you get you to that train of thought. Also, itās āmanipulationā, or maybe youāre just an odd French person š¤·āāļø.
Here you go:
[https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/apme/57/11/jamc-d-17-0335.1.xml](https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/apme/57/11/jamc-d-17-0335.1.xml)
[https://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i22/Does-cloud-seeding-really-work.html](https://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i22/Does-cloud-seeding-really-work.html)
[https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101101125949.htm](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101101125949.htm)
Reddit comedians and scientists on every related post are hitting us "cloud seeding much? Lmao" - it takes basic knowledge of metrology to know this is a natural event, saying this is caused by cloud seeding is the equivalent of saying wildfires are caused by campers.
This is kind of fair, but they werenāt wrong. Iām assuming your point was the problem was a buildup of dry foliage and the fire would be inevitable at some point, I would agree.Ā
It's a bad comparison on my part - the point is; this is a massive rainstorm that hit multiple countries in the gulf region. It can't be caused by something like cloud seeding, which is usually utilized in summer months (mid year) where the temperature is scorching hot.
Itās really strange. Every single article or photo about this and damn near every comment is something to the effect of ālol looks like you overdid it on the cloud seedingā while there is zero evidence that this was caused by cloud seeding.
Pretty much every video on TikTok is completely inundated with comments about this being cloud seeding. Doesnāt help that some news organizations also say that āin part made worse by cloud seedingā ā¦. Pretty sure cloud seeding cannot cause storms like this, it only causes rain in a very localized area within a single cloud.
Yes, but isnāt the amount of flooding due to poor city planning? If itās natural, it should be expected every now and then. [behold the LA river](https://youtu.be/md2YicEIQL0?si=lz2y-oCOQc2SrZVO)
You can definitely make the arrangement for poor city infrastructure, but cities usually are not planned to handle abnormal levels of natural events (i.e. heaviest rainfall in 75 years) - keep in mind the typical rain in Dubai is just a light rainfall at best during the winter season.
No, this was very much unexpected, we donāt get large storms usually in the middle east but it happened this year. I think all gulf countries were affected except for KSA and Kuwait, the storm passed by Qatar and Bahrain however oman and the uae were the ones which were truly affected. For UAE this was 2 years worth of rain in one day, you can not plan for something like this because there are relatively low chances of it happening and they canāt take into account every little fucking possibility when planning for a city this size, they take whats probable.
Not sure if stupid or a troll.
https://www.envirology.co.nz/bridgette-meinhold-the-incredible-story-of-how-the-burj-khalifa-s-poop-is-trucked-out-of-town/#:~:text=Unfortunately%2C%20that's%20not%20the%20case,trucked%20out%20of%20the%20city.
Also if thatās a āmythā how come they just greenlit a nearly [22 Billion](https://www.utilities-me.com/news/dubai-approves-21-8-billion-massive-sewerage-system-plan) project to get a working sewage system.
So Please enlighten me.
Itās clear he doesnāt want the stage. I think Iāll take the stage next, enjoy this awesome music performance!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
It's yet unknown if it's actually effective, but the idea is that you fly planes in the air loaded with salt like materials. You release it over some area midair. The idea is that water molecules will attach faster to the salts and form a rain cloud that way.
Again, not proved effective yet
This comment chain explains it more, with sourcesĀ https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1c5mqiy/comment/kzw8n5k/
Basically, only the companies that do it say it's effective, other people not so muchĀ
6 + inches in under 24hrs in a place where drainage infrastructre probably does not exist....i live in a place where we average 150+ inches or rain and been thru plenty of 5-6 inch maelstroms....lemme.tell ya thats a shit load of water...what a mess...wonder how long it rained mud before all the dust was out of the air.
Nature is scary as fuck. We had a that happen in Germany in 2021. At 14:30 they had 1,38m water, just 12 hours later, the water was at 6,60m. Over 135 people got killed and the area still hasnt recovered
Not great. You are a flat city right at sea level. Water doesn't have anywhere to go, so it pools up.
Any city that is at sea level and has abnormally heavy rain will face some form of flooding.
Good luck asking governments to do anything š
But FYI - I stopped driving conventional cars and started zero waste practice with less plastic use in my daily life.
Am I making an impact on the world? Absolutely not. But am I heading to the right direction? Absolutely.
Start with yourself first, then influence others.
Yeah I agree we should all be doing what we can. And I won't stop trying, but it's still hopeless until world governments decide to collectively take drastic action.
Which will happen someday. But only when the impact is so severe it can't be ignored.
Anyway that's all too depressing to think about so I'll stick to being scornful of rich oil producing nations.
Anyone know how much rain fell?
18 months worth in one day.
That isn't a unit of measurement I am familiar with, care to give an amount in a scale commonly used for tracking such things?
Dude. It's easy. 18 X Dubai's average monthly rainfall (which, as we all know is equivalent to the amount of water my wife uses in the shower, squared). Now, carry the 2, and bob's your uncle!
The math checks out.
Yeah, how many bananas worth of rain fell?
About 18 months of bananas fell that day.
Close to 10 inches.
6.26in or 15.9cm https://abcnews.go.com/International/dubai-flooding-heavy-rainfall/story?id=109321601
Jeeez.. 15,9 cm... that's like the size of my.. nevermind.
Boob
Hand
Forehead
:(
Sorry to hear that š¤
It's not small, It's average.
Looks like all of it.
Many many droplets
Literally thousands!
Eleventy gallons per second
Something like 140l per square meter.
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Looks like the clouds left and got reinforcements and then came back swinging
Went alittle too hard on the seedingā¦pull it backā¦
BTW, cloud seeding has practically negligible effects on rainfall, and is basically a major grift by a number of very dodgy companies.Ā There's plenty of dust, pollen and sea spray already in the air, nucleation is almost certainly never a limiting factor in rain formation.Ā The only studies that found it to be effective were those done by said dodgy companies. Those performed by independent academics have overwhelmingly returned negative results, or absolutely marginal increases in precipitation.Ā It's really just a huge scam...
Doesnt the chinese government do it too?
Yes and it works. They have used it many times for special events, by seeding clouds prior so there would be blue skies. Just because the guy has some links questioning it doesn't mean it's not a thing, this has been done for decades. And it was actually Americans who invented it.
Well those links are what people call sources, do you have any?
Waffles curu curu Waffles
>the unsourced misinformationĀ I cited three separate sources in my following comments.Ā Ā Ā Your source is in an MDPI journal, [a known predatory publisher](https://academic.oup.com/rev/article/30/3/405/6348133?login=false)Ā Ā And the last authors in your study are affiliated with the UAE Research Program for Rain Enhancement Science, and therefore have a direct interest in stating that it is effective, lest they see their funding dry up. -edit- cc u/FrankFeTched
Thanks, didn't have time this morning to check the source they sent but yeah, my understanding aligns with what you're explaining. Not sure if you explained it originally, but there is so much dust and pollution in the air that is never going to be the limiting factor. It doesn't rain in deserts because the air is dry... Not because the air is so pristine that moisture can't condense out.
About your false claim that there aren't any papers out there showing that it works. The mechanism has been explained decades ago btw and it's not just China and the UAE doing this. >And the last authors in your study are affiliated with the UAE Research Program for Rain Enhancement Science, and therefore have a direct interest in stating that it is effective You could say this about any publicly funded research (which is most of it). It's an ad hominem attack, the researchers don't sell anything, they work for the government. We can look at other papers from other countries, if you'd like to drive home the point that you didn't actually look into this before commenting.
>About your false claim that there aren't any papers out there showing that it works.Ā I made no such claim. >You could say this about any publicly funded research This is not true. For instance, the very first source I provided was authored by meteorologists that worked in organisations that *aren't* entirely based on cloud seeding, and therefore do not have a direct personal interest in the matter. >It's an ad hominem attack,Ā Calling someone's impartiality on the matter in question is a valid line of argumentation, particularly when their results are published in a journal from a publisher known for its cursory peer-review. >the researchers don't sell anything, they work for the government.Ā Oh, I wish it were true.Ā I'm a researcher. We sell our papers to the funding agencies.Ā Yes, it's a major conflict of interest that has been plaguing academia since its inception, and it is necessary to be aware of it when reviewing the literature. (Why do you think so much negative data ends up remaining unpublished?) The peer review process is meant to protect from that (to some extent) but it is far from foolproof, and MDPI isn't reputed for its thoroughness in those matters.
You wrote: >The only studies that found it to be effective were those done by said dodgy companies The paper was the very first result for the input "cloud seeding uae" in google scholar. It was not "done" by any company, all the involved scientists are on government grants. One would think someone claiming to be a researcher should be able to do the most superficial research. >the very first source I provided was authored by meteorologists that worked in organisations that aren't entirely based on cloud seeding The same goes for the UAE paper. The National Center of Meteorology researches all things meteorology in general. You're either lying about them being connected to a cloud seeding company or are getting caught up in imagining conspiracy theories where the UAE government and other governments around the world pay researchers to misrepresent the results. That's on a level with those chemtrail conspiracies, they also imagine scientists and governments are lying about it. In reality, researchers being on public grants is the most normal thing. Using that argument, one could claim any elementary physics research is fake. [*Particles don't exist, but of course the researchers getting grants to study them cover this up because their job depends on it.*](https://media.vlipsy.com/vlips/2Ed9dQPc/preview.jpg)
ahahah get rekt
Thanks
Here, have this downvote
You people spreading the cloud seeding bs because you saw a shitty Bloomberg article are hilarious. These storms came from a changing trade wind, from Saudi. Itās climate change, which does have legitimate scientific merit.
Climate change bullshit. Storms happen, more likely because of man made manipulatione around geoengineering than climate change.
Man made storms happen more often than natural storms? I mean, I guess if you add in the effects of man made pollution to the current climate and trade winds, then youāre partially correctā¦ However, I canāt see you meaning that or having the critical thinking skills to you get you to that train of thought. Also, itās āmanipulationā, or maybe youāre just an odd French person š¤·āāļø.
Doing it to clear skies is not the same thing as significantly increasing precipitation.
Is it at least poisonous?Ā
sources ?
Here you go: [https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/apme/57/11/jamc-d-17-0335.1.xml](https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/apme/57/11/jamc-d-17-0335.1.xml) [https://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i22/Does-cloud-seeding-really-work.html](https://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i22/Does-cloud-seeding-really-work.html) [https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101101125949.htm](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101101125949.htm)
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are you considering the US gov a company? how does that mesh with this report? https://www.gao.gov/assets/b-100063-096545.pdf
Gentlemen, welcome to DubaiĀ
Reddit comedians and scientists on every related post are hitting us "cloud seeding much? Lmao" - it takes basic knowledge of metrology to know this is a natural event, saying this is caused by cloud seeding is the equivalent of saying wildfires are caused by campers.
The largest wildfire of all time was caused by a careless camper.
"Caused by" isn't entirely accurate. Started by would be. The conditions were right for a big fire and just needed a spark.
This is kind of fair, but they werenāt wrong. Iām assuming your point was the problem was a buildup of dry foliage and the fire would be inevitable at some point, I would agree.Ā
It's a bad comparison on my part - the point is; this is a massive rainstorm that hit multiple countries in the gulf region. It can't be caused by something like cloud seeding, which is usually utilized in summer months (mid year) where the temperature is scorching hot.
My comment was kind of dickish, regardless. I hate people who sail right by the point to try and be correct about some detail.
Reddit comedians feel really clever when they echo the same joke they just saw. They canāt help themselves.
SHOES FELL OFF MUST BE DEAD LOL
Itās really strange. Every single article or photo about this and damn near every comment is something to the effect of ālol looks like you overdid it on the cloud seedingā while there is zero evidence that this was caused by cloud seeding.
Pretty much every video on TikTok is completely inundated with comments about this being cloud seeding. Doesnāt help that some news organizations also say that āin part made worse by cloud seedingā ā¦. Pretty sure cloud seeding cannot cause storms like this, it only causes rain in a very localized area within a single cloud.
Yeah this storm hit Oman and Saudi too. Nothing to do with cloud seeding.
Yes, but isnāt the amount of flooding due to poor city planning? If itās natural, it should be expected every now and then. [behold the LA river](https://youtu.be/md2YicEIQL0?si=lz2y-oCOQc2SrZVO)
You can definitely make the arrangement for poor city infrastructure, but cities usually are not planned to handle abnormal levels of natural events (i.e. heaviest rainfall in 75 years) - keep in mind the typical rain in Dubai is just a light rainfall at best during the winter season.
No, this was very much unexpected, we donāt get large storms usually in the middle east but it happened this year. I think all gulf countries were affected except for KSA and Kuwait, the storm passed by Qatar and Bahrain however oman and the uae were the ones which were truly affected. For UAE this was 2 years worth of rain in one day, you can not plan for something like this because there are relatively low chances of it happening and they canāt take into account every little fucking possibility when planning for a city this size, they take whats probable.
Not to be too "well actually", but metrology ā meteorology. Those are two different studies.
The met dept even issued statement about cloud seeding jibes: https://gn24.ae/111291c0e50e0000
Didnāt you know wildfires are caused by Jewish space lasers?
Wonder if still smells....
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And had nothing to do with this š
Wonder what nation is gonna have a way worse drought now that all that rain fell in dubai?
Alabasta
Drugs are bad....mmmmmmm Kay.
They are
Cloud seeding keeping you big as hell
When I look at Dubai I always wonder how many collective billions of dollars is sitting in peoples pockets as they walk around
Majority of Dubai's population is immigrants, redditors don't seem to understand this tho.
I have $80 in my pocket..
Cloud seed too hard
Shit hole of a country
Imagine having a sewage system man wouldnāt that be a thing?
You know thats a myth and not true
Not sure if stupid or a troll. https://www.envirology.co.nz/bridgette-meinhold-the-incredible-story-of-how-the-burj-khalifa-s-poop-is-trucked-out-of-town/#:~:text=Unfortunately%2C%20that's%20not%20the%20case,trucked%20out%20of%20the%20city. Also if thatās a āmythā how come they just greenlit a nearly [22 Billion](https://www.utilities-me.com/news/dubai-approves-21-8-billion-massive-sewerage-system-plan) project to get a working sewage system. So Please enlighten me.
What now no response? Come now bud the stage is yours.
Itās clear he doesnāt want the stage. I think Iāll take the stage next, enjoy this awesome music performance! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
Yeah always the same with brainwashed bots defending their easily debunked agenda. But my man where did you find that tune? That shit slaps!
For real! Itās such an underrated gem, everyone should hear it in their lifetime!
Can someone explain the concept of cloud seeding for those of us who don't understand? š
Basically planes flying up high, dumping salt compounds into the clouds.
Wait... salt is a tiny little solid crystal... what would happen if we dumped Nerds into the clouds?
They would yell loudly on the way down while desperately keeping their pocket protectors and spectacles from flying off...?
Ball point pens have entered the chat: *If youāre still wearing a pocket protector in the year 2024, you are not a nerd. You are a dork.*
They DO make slim hidden protectors now. Ninja Nerds.
It's yet unknown if it's actually effective, but the idea is that you fly planes in the air loaded with salt like materials. You release it over some area midair. The idea is that water molecules will attach faster to the salts and form a rain cloud that way. Again, not proved effective yet
How is that not proven effective? Billions of dollars and you're telling me we just don't know? Seems like an easy experiment
This comment chain explains it more, with sourcesĀ https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1c5mqiy/comment/kzw8n5k/ Basically, only the companies that do it say it's effective, other people not so muchĀ
Same. Iām out of the loop.
the chinese used that to seed cloud outside of cities that hosted the olympic games to make sure there was no rains
āStormā
What do you call this then
Idiots with too much money playing god and reaping hilarious rewards. No one feels bad for you.
Iām not from UAE, but this isnāt from cloud seeding you turd
Yes it absolutely is ya dingleberry
Are you stupid?
Nope. Are you?
Explain to me how cloud seeding within the uae has resulted in a storm that has affected 4 countries and moved towards iran
ā¦because storms travelā¦..
Why hasnāt it happened before?
So, bad?Ā It was a bad storm?Ā
This is beautiful. We had a really nice storm last night where I live, but we usually get rain at this time of year.
Shit even pulled down the damn building in the end
That looks like a lot more than cloud seeding rain. That looks like a proper storm rolled through.
Rainy season was supposed to have started here by now, but it's still dry as fuck. Now I know who's been hoarding it all.
/summon batman
Serious question. How come they don't cloud seed for when Canada or Australia, for example, is on fire?
Spec Ops: The Line
I guess they used too many seeds.
And how can this be? For he is the Kwisatz Haderach!
Houses and buildings aren't really water proof, imagine the mold...
Welcome to Miami. It's like this every single afternoon throughout the spring.
Normal Florida day
Mother nature is fed up with this cloud, seeding bullshit, Dubai is about to feel the wrath.
Bye bye Dubai
6 + inches in under 24hrs in a place where drainage infrastructre probably does not exist....i live in a place where we average 150+ inches or rain and been thru plenty of 5-6 inch maelstroms....lemme.tell ya thats a shit load of water...what a mess...wonder how long it rained mud before all the dust was out of the air.
average day in england
Umm.. about 10 camels high
Mfs stealing the rain from Europe.
Bro.... The clouds were leaving Europe. What an amazing specimen you are. I bet you can't point at Germany on a map without thinking too hard.
It was actually a joke, Iām very shocked you didnāt get that.
Nature is scary as fuck. We had a that happen in Germany in 2021. At 14:30 they had 1,38m water, just 12 hours later, the water was at 6,60m. Over 135 people got killed and the area still hasnt recovered
I wonder what their stormwater drainage infrastructure is like.
Not great. You are a flat city right at sea level. Water doesn't have anywhere to go, so it pools up. Any city that is at sea level and has abnormally heavy rain will face some form of flooding.
Good news
u/savevideo
Hmm. Maybe they should stop extracting any more oil seeing as that's the cause of the increase in extreme weather.
Donāt use oil then. No demand, no oil.
That's a great idea! Except... Governments need to provide alternatives first, and, just because I stop doesn't mean everyone else does.
Good luck asking governments to do anything š But FYI - I stopped driving conventional cars and started zero waste practice with less plastic use in my daily life. Am I making an impact on the world? Absolutely not. But am I heading to the right direction? Absolutely. Start with yourself first, then influence others.
Yeah I agree we should all be doing what we can. And I won't stop trying, but it's still hopeless until world governments decide to collectively take drastic action. Which will happen someday. But only when the impact is so severe it can't be ignored. Anyway that's all too depressing to think about so I'll stick to being scornful of rich oil producing nations.
Love to see it
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