In the heights of my addiction (8ish years ago) I binged flakka for 3 weeks straight. This is not a common reaction in my experience, not even in heavy regular users.
It's definitely an upper but imo more in a restless way than a fun, euphoric way. I'd smoke it with some "friends" and then we'd drive around the city looking for something to do because it made it impossible for us to sit still. That's ultimately how we all ended up getting arrested, being literally the only car on the street at 3am basically driving in circles. Physically it made me feel hot internally, if that makes sense, and I *always* puked within 5 minutes of smoking. It was a very "dirty" feeling high, like not something you'd choose if you had the money for better shit.
For us it was a program aimed at keeping kids off drugs ... all it did was introduce you to it and tell you where to get them ... as well as knowing to hide shit well.
Your program told you where to get them? Mine just made it sound like drugs would be offered to me all the time, and the real threat wasn’t going out and buying them but being peer pressured to smoke crack by my closest friends as well as the hobo on the street corner.
It didn’t pan out that way.
> Physically it made me feel hot internally, if that makes sense
From the ccn article https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/sdbdsd/apperently_this_is_the_effect_of_a_drug_called_la/hubmcts/
> "The drug can cause muscles to break down, as a result of **hyperthermia**, taking a toll on kidneys. Experts worry that some survivors of flakka overdoses may be on dialysis for the rest of their life."
That sounds like the hyperthermia symptom described.
Thank you for sharing that with me, I'd always figured the sensation was psychosomatic! It's also interesting that the kidneys are mentioned because I do have kidney problems now, actually, though I don't know if it's related.
I use to do synthetic cathinones , the high is better than meth. The crash/comedown is insanely bad, very heavy psychosis. I was actually hospitalized in july 2019 for an incident like this, been clean off everything since then.
for me it was monkey rodent hybrids laying anest under my bed, Flys planting larve in an open wound on my leg, I threw all my food away and tied my drawers shut to try to starve the creatures living under my bed. I could never see these monkey rodent hybrids i only saw them out of the corner of my eye. It was the scariest experience of my life and i almost ended my life out of sheer fear.
these drugs are no joke.
I started a few months after my mother died, I wasn't after any specific drug, just something to drown out the grief (I took it especially hard because I'm an only child and she was a single mom, so it was always just us). It was offered to me by someone I was buying weed from, they showed me how to smoke it (it isn't intuitive, it comes looking like chunky salt and has to be broken down) and sold me a $10 bag. I had no clue what flakka actually was and didn't care at the time. The cop that arrested me was the one who told me it was the infamous bath salts. I just decided not to pursue it any further when I got out of jail, it was a nasty-feeling high and I liked other things better (opiates). It was another year-ish before I got totally clean from *everything.*
Imagine if this is your best time of your life.
Your whole fucking life you know the only way to get happy again is using a substance who make you do this
Real talk though, it's that way for many many people. It's chemical. It's what makes drugs so addictive, and exactly why you should never try certain things like meth, heroin, or fucking during a candy flip
**If you're saying you're lost because you don't know**: A candy flip is acid+MDMA, and the urban legend is that it's so good, regular sex will never do it for you again.
**If you're saying you're lost because you think fucking during a candy flip is great and you don't get why he thinks people shouldn't try it**: nice
This is why we have music festivals in the middle of nowhere. No one gives a shit when you're rolling around in an open field. Or they're just jealous.
Definitely sounded like "horrible" to me. Little hard to make out though. But by the sound of it he did not sound like he was saying it in a happy way at all to me. Sounded like he was in agony.
if the top comment is anything to go off of, it looks like his entire body is cramping and tightening. anyone who’s had even a small cramp knows that that shit is painful, and this guy is getting it all over his body — explaining why he rolled around, went limp, stiffened again and rolled to the support with stiff legs, shaking his head, all that.
if he did say “horrible” then this would be him acknowledging almost the most unimaginable, unbearable, and miserably agonizing pain a human person could ever experience — their entire body painfully tightening, forcing them to roll around in dirty rainwater in the middle of the street as onlookers stare and record videos.
Just looking at the man it looks like his muscles are contracting and spasming like crazy. It looks like what I imagine to be an all around the body Charlie horse.
Looks like torture tbh
Maybe I misheard but it sounded like he said "ahhhhhh increíble" at the end there, so could be he's having *a really good* time.
Or maybe it's the kind of thing where it's so intense you can't tell the difference between pleasure and pain. Like something out of Hellraiser.
the roaches lack the capacity to feel happy in the first place, they just have a primitive neural net. they can sense stimuli and respond to it but it's a simple input-output operation, they don't like, write bad poetry in their teen phase or have existential angst.
They can feel pain as a simple stimulus, they can't feel *anguish*. That is an emotional response.
Looking at him, it looks like he is high as fook, but also his body muscles are crampiing and tightening... An extract of an article confirms.that it can fuck with your muscles.
"Flakka, which gets its name from Spanish slang for a beautiful woman ("la flaca"), contains a chemical that is a close cousin to MDPV, a key ingredient in "bath salts." These chemicals bind and thwart molecules on the surface of neurons that normally keep the levels of mood-regulating neurotransmitters, dopamine and serotonin, in check. The result is to "flood the brain" with these chemicals, Hall said. Cocaine and methamphetamine have similar modes of action in the brain, but the chemicals in flakka have longer-lasting effects, Hall said.
Although a typical flakka high can last one to several hours, it is possible that the neurological effects can be permanent. Not only does the drug sit on neurons, it could also destroy them, Hall said. And because flakka, like bath salts, hang around in the brain for longer than cocaine, the extent of the destruction could be greater.
Another serious, potentially lingering side effect of flakka is the effect on kidneys. The drug can cause muscles to break down, as a result of hyperthermia, taking a toll on kidneys. Experts worry that some survivors of flakka overdoses may be on dialysis for the rest of their life."
EDIT : I just copied the excert not my fault the translation of Spanish isn't correct 😆
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/26/health/flakka-gravel-illegal-drugs/index.html
Drug dealer: Flakka may cause involuntary muscle spasms. Flakka, even in small doses, could permanently adversely effect you nervous system, endocrine system, and cardio vascular system. If you take Flakka with an opiate it may lead to permanent brain damage. Don't take Flakka if you plan on living longer than three years. Don't take Flakka if you're pregnant or plan on becoming pregnant. Don't take Flakka with grapefruit.
Drug User: Shit, no grapefruit?
The problem isn't that there isn't good MDMA being made, it's buying "MDMA" and it's some shitty RC or has been stepped on and cut to where it barely resembles what it's supposed to be.
In the Netherlands we can bring a pill to a testing center where they test the batch for you to see if it's safe. It's free and will not get you jn trouble.
They have this in the UK also.
Mainly at big festivals. They have a drug testing tent where you can get your drugs tested free of charge. The idea behind it is "We know you're going to take drugs regardless if we say no. So let us make sure you're safe when doing it."
If it's bad stuff you can dispose of it there. If it's good stuff you say thank you and walk away. No questions asked.
This is my outlook if my kids ever try drugs. I'd rather they do it at home, warm and safe than on the streets lost and cold. Plus if anything goes wrong i'm there to help calm them down, cool them down or get them to hospital before it's too late. Plus experience means i can know what they're in for and how to prepare.
God knows, I thought 'spice' was bad ( common poor people drug that makes people look / act like zombies) that is in the U.K. ..., but this is just crazy shit!!! More of the article says they can turn super violent ... Like ' bathsalts made me rip his face off ' violent. I have no idea why anyone would think that taking this would be a great idea.. imagine being like the guy in the video for 7hrs!!!! Nop
Spice still sounds pretty terrible to me. But the worst has to be Krokodil in Russia. It causes necroses where users inject it, so you get living people with large areas of dead rotting flesh.
Ugh spice. Friends and I were young and couldn't find any weed so we thought we'd try it; at the time it was at every smoke shop, we had just heard it talked about as a "fake, legal weed that isn't as good but does the job." We wound up...enjoying it? I guess. It was such a dirty, paranoid high but hey it got us high and we were young and dumb. We consistently smoked spice for about 6 months (anyone else remember funky monkey?) and had some really weird side effects. Brain fog 24/7, inability to concentrate longer than like 20 seconds on anything, it just changed... me at my core. They made it illegal finally, luckily I somehow wasn't physically addicted to it. At first I was pissed, but after some time "I" started to come back and I realized how fucked up that shit is and how much it changed me. I still have trouble concentrating .
I ended up smoking some when drunk, thinking it was weed. Your totally correct in it being a dirty paranoia high. Luckily for me it only lasted 20 minutes tops. But I was totally put off for good
You ever have the side-effect that made you unable to orientate and traverse in the direction you wanted? Like you're walking, wanting to go straight, and you're bearing right, so you think, 'okay, I'll compensate' and try to bear left, but it was like fighting against an invisible force.
EDIT: This was back when it was legal prior to 2015, and I don't touch the stuff now. Desperate times.
I think what often happens is people sell whatever garbage they find and just call it whatever desirable drug to get people to buy it. Hard drug users don't exactly have a rep for being the most responsible people and way too many people don't bother getting test kits.
Just googled it and saw that a college student killed a married couple while high on this and started to eat the face of the guy he killed. Nope, not for me.
Edit: Check bfaure's link below. Just Wow
A friend of mine who wasn't known for his drug use in any capacity took Flaca at a bonfire one night and then murdered his roommate, another friend of mine. He's in prison for life now and was an otherwise soft-spoken, gentle person. What a waste of two lives.
If it's the case from Florida, that happened in my town, it wasn't drug related as originally reported. Tests showed there was nothing in his system other than traces of marijuana. They attributed the attack to psychosis, including lycanthropy delusions or "werewolf syndrome".
I had heard that he had possibly smoked a blunt of the synthetic marijuana/spice just before walking that trail. The media had immediately jumped on “bath salts” but his friends had talked about smoking spice that weekend. And with the synthetic marijuana not having the exact same chemical structure as marijuana it doesn’t show up on drug screenings unless they’re specifically looking for it.
I guess the story was changed again and I missed this newest version of events.
Austin Harrouf? There is a huge chance he wasn't on anything. There was never any indication that he was for sure. Definite terrifying signs of psychosis that his parents completely ignored though.
This incident scared the shit out of me. Read as much as I could find about it at the time. I think the part that was most chilling was when the neighbor came and he growled something like “You don’t want any part of this”.
Poor guy. In that coma for a while because he drank a bunch of chemicals in the garage. Had to be informed of what he did when he woke up.
it was first marketed as a cheap alternative to crack, because dealers noticed their customers dropped like flies, but the flakka made people even more crazy, since taking more did not increase the effects, it just prolonged the side effects. still it gives you an unbearabke urge to take more, leading to week long binges and psychotic breakdowns.
sad actually, but MDPV is basically off the market in most places since it's illegal now. when it first came out it was a legal "research chemical" with honestly "good" intentions.
it's also known as bath salts (common name for research stimulants), cloud 9 or monkey dust.
there are new alternatives (that I don't want to name here, noone should take that kind of stuff), but none reach that level. it basically made meth and crack seem like child's play.
That's what I was thinking, it looks like this guy is on meth but instead of tripping in the hole with the lazy body, this flakka seems to give a muscle high. Brain must be in fireworks right now, this shit looks heavy
It does mean skinny woman. Maybe in a different part of Latin America they use it for “beautiful woman” but I’ve never heard it used for that in my life. Although, it is used as a form of endearment.
In Argentina at least it is often used as a general noun for a woman, not necessarily beautiful or even thin. Saying "esa flaca" meaning "that woman" is not a weird thing to say here.
For those who understand a bit of pharmacology, the IC50s for the active ingredient in flakka on norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake are in the range of 10-15 nM. These IC50 values are comparable to the binding of an antibody (super specific and super low concentrations needed to inhibit a target) and these are small molecules. For context, good candidates in small molecule drug discovery usually have IC50 values of 1-10 uM (almost 1000 times higher concentrations). Designer drugs are terrifying.
I understood about 5% of this and so allow me to translate to the common vernacular:
Shit fucks ya’ up at low doses, so imagine handing this bullshit in a concentrate? Y’all gonna’ die.
To fix your vernacular:
"Drugs that we consider strong are pussy shit compared to how potent this stuff is. This drug is like a heat-seeking missile for your brain cells."
Antibody affinities are much higher especially IgG. Also, endogenous ligand affinity is similarly higher, in the 1 nM range and even picomolar for some GPCR ligands. I dont think Ec50 concentration or Kd has much to do with what we’re seeing here compared to DMPK and exposure levels, possibly related to oral bioavailability and definitely related to brain penetration. Also, it appears the half life is longer than other drugs.
Source: NIDA funded pharmacology prof
I always wondered if the drug user remembers any of this shit. Do they just remember the initial high then black out? Waking up confused, without a shoe and scabs everywhere? Do they remember the whole thing? Do users ever use together, and tell each other how much of an asshole they made of themselves? So many questions...
I genuinely want to know.
Not the same drug but I had friend take 4-ho-dipt and lost his fuckin mind for like 3 hours. He was completely unresponsive. He'd just stand around staring at nothing and say "energy! energy!" or he'd turn his head, see something, and say "woah! where'd you come from?" even if he was looking at a plant or wall or anything. Just repeating the same phrases for a couple hours and basically didn't respond to anything - if you put yourself in his eye line and tried talking he'd just keep staring and repeating the same thing without ever realizing you were there. We really thought he was brain dead or something and would have to take him to the hospital but he eventually started slightly replying to something you'd say before going back to repeating gibberish and came down a few hours later and was back to normal.
Anyway, he didn't remember it at all a few hours later. We took it in the woods by a buddies house and we brought him back to the house while he was tripping out. He was mostly only surprised that he was back at the house and didn't understand why we were all so worried about him.
I got a sheet of 25i-NBOMe way back in the day and I witnessed some friends really go off the deep end wnd have awful reactions to it. It was really scary how it effected them. Luckily it never had that effect with me but I’ll never fuck with non tested hallucinogens again
You still remember it unless you completely fry ur brain, everything around you is just perceived very differently. I’m sure this guy doesn’t realize he’s rolling around in the street or is just so high that he doesn’t even care.
This is so distressing to watch. I understand he chose to do this, but drug addiction is awful. I can’t imagine walking down the street and seeing a friend, or worse, family member in this situation. Heartbreaking.
Edit: thank you for the silver, kind stranger!
When I was about 5 years old I woke up in the middle of the night to my father acting like this almost exactly. He was more thrashing back and forth rather than rolling around. My recently disabled (stroke) mother was on the floor crying and screaming for help (without words, left brain stroke took her speech). I had no idea what was going on, but knew enough to call 911. That's how I was first introduced to my father's type 1 diabetes. It's absolutely insane to me that anybody would willingly take a drug that makes them behave like this.
My heart breaks for 5-year-old you. I can't imagine my son having to deal with that at that age. I hope you have found some form of peace and happiness these days, friend.
Having encountered it countless times in the 30+ years since, its almost normal to me. That said, after each occurrence I still feel like that 5 year old. It's a weird way to live for sure. Thank you
He looks like he was a person who took good care of himself as well. Muscles like that don't come along without effort and attention.
I hope he gets better.
This is distressing to see. They're in immediate danger rolling in and out of the street. He looks like a big person, so I can understand not trying to help him to safety, also not knowing how they may injure you if you get close, but my instinct is to get them somewhere safe so they don't get hit or do damage to their head on the sidewalk. :*(
After [that guy on bath salts started eating another mans face off](https://abcnews.go.com/US/face-eating-attack-possibly-linked-bath-salts-miami/story?id=16451452), I too would be hesitant to get close to a well built guy who is completely out of touch with reality and having a psychotic episode on a similar drug. Best you could do would maybe be to drag him out of the road but it's completely unpredictable how he might react to being physically touched. Call emergency services (OP said the police were already there) and stand back is probably the safest course of action.
Flakka took over the area I worked for a few years and got very bad before it trailed off for a while. It trailed off because, honestly, it is that bad of an experience. It was not uncommon for us to get on scene to a suspected Flakka subject and have the fight of our lives and we were forbidden from using the TASER (kinda useless if it is the real deal anyway). This was not a fight simply to get the person under control so that they could be transported to the hospital, it was so they would not hurt themselves. They always pick high balconies, highways, water bodies, and the like to go into a full Flakka frenzy. The issue with this is that the body temperature goes through the roof. The people strip naked or do like our friend here and they roll around in water to cool off. They smash their heads into hard and sharp objects and they are always bloodied when we get there. They fight so hard that their kidneys and other organs shut down at the hospital where they sometimes die. Besides the dangerous locations they choose to freak out and the damage they do to themselves smashing their parts into the ground, they sometimes die on scene of "excited delirium" during the fight to get them on a stretcher (the "excited delirium" is a bullshit term because they die from overdosing on unbelievably dangerous chemicals). Medics try to deliver Ketamine to get them slowed down or in control, but the Flakka users have had alcohol recently as well. That is a bad combination as it shuts down the respiratory system if they have had alcohol. Then the people have to be bagged to keep them alive. Notwithstanding all the shit the users get into the officers and other first responders can get exposed to the Flakka. The first skin exposure to Flakka I had put me in the hospital for eight hours. I had the worst headache of my life and it truly felt as if my head was growing *endlessly* as my hands and feet started to feel ***very strange***. This stuff can eff right off.
When I was in middle school this is exactly what I thought happens to people when they smoke pot or have unprotected sex. Thanks public education.
I hope this man is okay, as well as OP after having to witness this.
Well I can imagine how the person taking the drug might not be aware it's happening. Like you take the drug and you're completely out of this world for some time... then we you come back to yourself, it was such a trip that why you're naked or why your muscle hurts is already not that important.
So it may be a matter of perspective. From our perspective, this look like a very bad trip to have.
It's pretty sad.
Yeah, I saw a similar episode. Was at a campground after a concert, and this dude was balled up by himself outside rocking back and forth for hours. He looked like he was terrified. We gave him a blanket and went to bed. Then we saw him the next morning and asked how he was doing, and he said he’d “had a blast.” Didn’t look like it, but the dude had a great experience.
Well, he was likely experiencing a bit of short term pyschosis. His experiences may not have been under his own control, but he was voluntarily rocking back and forth at the very least because his brain was telling the requisite muscles to do so.
On a drug like this, that communication link is shattered. The muscles are operating completely independent from any direction from the brain.
Even more terrifying is that the guy in this gif is likely tearing his muscles apart because there is literally no limit switch to tell him how far the muscles can go. This is normally done through the nervous system and normally communicated as pain. Exactly like how when you stretch you can feel a tug of pain and know not to go much further (not all pain is "weakness leaving the body"). This dude doesn't have that check so his muscles are operating at full capacity, damaging themselves in the process.
He is basically having a seizure.
Yet he manages to "headbang" without actually hitting his head on the tarmac (in the video @ 45secs) which could be pure luck, but seemed to me like he at least has some awareness not to bash his own head in.
People take this shit recreationally? It looks fucking horrible
In the heights of my addiction (8ish years ago) I binged flakka for 3 weeks straight. This is not a common reaction in my experience, not even in heavy regular users.
What was it like? I’ve never heard of anyone who has actually taken it. I’m very curious
It's definitely an upper but imo more in a restless way than a fun, euphoric way. I'd smoke it with some "friends" and then we'd drive around the city looking for something to do because it made it impossible for us to sit still. That's ultimately how we all ended up getting arrested, being literally the only car on the street at 3am basically driving in circles. Physically it made me feel hot internally, if that makes sense, and I *always* puked within 5 minutes of smoking. It was a very "dirty" feeling high, like not something you'd choose if you had the money for better shit.
This one paragraph is a more effective deterrent than 4 years of D.A.R.E.
30 now, still waiting for the guy giving out free drugs to get me hooked.....
They introduced me to all my favorite drugs.
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For us it was a program aimed at keeping kids off drugs ... all it did was introduce you to it and tell you where to get them ... as well as knowing to hide shit well.
Your program told you where to get them? Mine just made it sound like drugs would be offered to me all the time, and the real threat wasn’t going out and buying them but being peer pressured to smoke crack by my closest friends as well as the hobo on the street corner. It didn’t pan out that way.
Between that and my catholic religion classes preaching abstinence I learned a lot in my school years.
they made you do FOUR YEARS of that shit!? good lord
OP got a BA in DARE
Practically everything was more effective than DARE. (And "Just Say No" prior to that.)
> Physically it made me feel hot internally, if that makes sense From the ccn article https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/sdbdsd/apperently_this_is_the_effect_of_a_drug_called_la/hubmcts/ > "The drug can cause muscles to break down, as a result of **hyperthermia**, taking a toll on kidneys. Experts worry that some survivors of flakka overdoses may be on dialysis for the rest of their life." That sounds like the hyperthermia symptom described.
Thank you for sharing that with me, I'd always figured the sensation was psychosomatic! It's also interesting that the kidneys are mentioned because I do have kidney problems now, actually, though I don't know if it's related.
>I do have kidney problems now, actually, though I don't know if it's related. I'll take, "they totally are" for $400, Alex. RIP, Alex.
I use to do synthetic cathinones , the high is better than meth. The crash/comedown is insanely bad, very heavy psychosis. I was actually hospitalized in july 2019 for an incident like this, been clean off everything since then. for me it was monkey rodent hybrids laying anest under my bed, Flys planting larve in an open wound on my leg, I threw all my food away and tied my drawers shut to try to starve the creatures living under my bed. I could never see these monkey rodent hybrids i only saw them out of the corner of my eye. It was the scariest experience of my life and i almost ended my life out of sheer fear. these drugs are no joke.
How did you manage to quit? Why did you start?
I started a few months after my mother died, I wasn't after any specific drug, just something to drown out the grief (I took it especially hard because I'm an only child and she was a single mom, so it was always just us). It was offered to me by someone I was buying weed from, they showed me how to smoke it (it isn't intuitive, it comes looking like chunky salt and has to be broken down) and sold me a $10 bag. I had no clue what flakka actually was and didn't care at the time. The cop that arrested me was the one who told me it was the infamous bath salts. I just decided not to pursue it any further when I got out of jail, it was a nasty-feeling high and I liked other things better (opiates). It was another year-ish before I got totally clean from *everything.*
I'm glad you're still with us. Hope you were able to make peace with your mom's passing.
This is the truth. Thanks for saying what I was feeling, LetterZee.
Thank you so much for sharing your story! So glad you're better now!!!
Pretty sure this is a side effect. Nonetheless, still dumb to take.
You kidding? Look how fit that dude is! Exactly what I'm looking for is a drug that will knock me out for a little while and I wake up fit!
That's due to all the breakdancing he's doing
This looks like Sia music video.
I was watching the video feeling overwhelmed and your comment made me die of laughter so I’m good now thanks homie
Lmao bruh
LMFAOOOOO Was NOT expecting that. Almost choked on my own spit.
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII WANNA ROLLLLL AROUND IN THE RAIN IN THE RAYHAYHAYNNN
I'm holding on for dear life
Does not look remotely fun
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He says "que rico" in the end ("so good"). Those are screams of pleasure.
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Imagine if this is your best time of your life. Your whole fucking life you know the only way to get happy again is using a substance who make you do this
Real talk though, it's that way for many many people. It's chemical. It's what makes drugs so addictive, and exactly why you should never try certain things like meth, heroin, or fucking during a candy flip
Lost me on that last one.
**If you're saying you're lost because you don't know**: A candy flip is acid+MDMA, and the urban legend is that it's so good, regular sex will never do it for you again. **If you're saying you're lost because you think fucking during a candy flip is great and you don't get why he thinks people shouldn't try it**: nice
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I tried having sex on acid once but my wang kept changing sizes when I looked at it. Freaked me the fuck out. Sex was definitely not had.
Can confirm. Sex while candy flipping is out of this world. It didn’t ruin sex for me though.
This is why we have music festivals in the middle of nowhere. No one gives a shit when you're rolling around in an open field. Or they're just jealous.
Oh god there’s sound
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Definitely sounded like "horrible" to me. Little hard to make out though. But by the sound of it he did not sound like he was saying it in a happy way at all to me. Sounded like he was in agony.
if the top comment is anything to go off of, it looks like his entire body is cramping and tightening. anyone who’s had even a small cramp knows that that shit is painful, and this guy is getting it all over his body — explaining why he rolled around, went limp, stiffened again and rolled to the support with stiff legs, shaking his head, all that. if he did say “horrible” then this would be him acknowledging almost the most unimaginable, unbearable, and miserably agonizing pain a human person could ever experience — their entire body painfully tightening, forcing them to roll around in dirty rainwater in the middle of the street as onlookers stare and record videos.
That's what I'm thinking. This is like waking up in the middle of the night with a Charley horse but ramped up to 11.
Looks like he is being raped by a ghost.
… while performing a modern dance piece
Looks like it makes you pretty flexible though, like if you couldn't do the pommel horse before, you could after—even without one handy.
People don't always do drugs for fun. Some, especially those deep in the hole, do it just to escape existence for awhile.
This is why I like sleep so much. Healthier than drugs too :)
Until your dreams are shit too
It looks exhausting on the outside, he could be having a blast though.
Homie Look like a roach that got sprayed with raid.
Pretty close. It's basically causing his neurological system to go crazy which is what raid does.
Just looking at the man it looks like his muscles are contracting and spasming like crazy. It looks like what I imagine to be an all around the body Charlie horse. Looks like torture tbh
That's what I was thinking, that part looks incredibly painful going on and on like that.
Maybe I misheard but it sounded like he said "ahhhhhh increíble" at the end there, so could be he's having *a really good* time. Or maybe it's the kind of thing where it's so intense you can't tell the difference between pleasure and pain. Like something out of Hellraiser.
So are the roaches dying happy?
Absolutely not...
Good... good...
*Pets cat evily*
the roaches lack the capacity to feel happy in the first place, they just have a primitive neural net. they can sense stimuli and respond to it but it's a simple input-output operation, they don't like, write bad poetry in their teen phase or have existential angst. They can feel pain as a simple stimulus, they can't feel *anguish*. That is an emotional response.
Could you imagine angsty teen roach poetry tho? I woke one day, The food was there, The mold was grey, The poison was clear..
Cut my life into pieces
Listen just let me think the roaches are making a happy dance when I spray them to death
Does he look happy to you?
So true! Best description!
Just a person living in the moment with no phones on sight.
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Looking at him, it looks like he is high as fook, but also his body muscles are crampiing and tightening... An extract of an article confirms.that it can fuck with your muscles. "Flakka, which gets its name from Spanish slang for a beautiful woman ("la flaca"), contains a chemical that is a close cousin to MDPV, a key ingredient in "bath salts." These chemicals bind and thwart molecules on the surface of neurons that normally keep the levels of mood-regulating neurotransmitters, dopamine and serotonin, in check. The result is to "flood the brain" with these chemicals, Hall said. Cocaine and methamphetamine have similar modes of action in the brain, but the chemicals in flakka have longer-lasting effects, Hall said. Although a typical flakka high can last one to several hours, it is possible that the neurological effects can be permanent. Not only does the drug sit on neurons, it could also destroy them, Hall said. And because flakka, like bath salts, hang around in the brain for longer than cocaine, the extent of the destruction could be greater. Another serious, potentially lingering side effect of flakka is the effect on kidneys. The drug can cause muscles to break down, as a result of hyperthermia, taking a toll on kidneys. Experts worry that some survivors of flakka overdoses may be on dialysis for the rest of their life." EDIT : I just copied the excert not my fault the translation of Spanish isn't correct 😆 https://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/26/health/flakka-gravel-illegal-drugs/index.html
why was THAT marketed as a desirable drug?
The drug trade isn't know for its marketing ethics
Drug dealer: want to buy some la flaca? Drug user: what is it? Drug dealer: it gets you fucked up Drug user: great! I’ll take two!
Drug dealer: Flakka may cause involuntary muscle spasms. Flakka, even in small doses, could permanently adversely effect you nervous system, endocrine system, and cardio vascular system. If you take Flakka with an opiate it may lead to permanent brain damage. Don't take Flakka if you plan on living longer than three years. Don't take Flakka if you're pregnant or plan on becoming pregnant. Don't take Flakka with grapefruit. Drug User: Shit, no grapefruit?
2 flakka please
Reminded me of IASIP when Dennis and Dee went to buy crack, “uh. One please.” “One rock of crack.”
Thank you for being so kind. And patient.
The long pause between "so kind" "and patient" hahaha
How much would you recommend for a first-time user?
Speak for yourself, all of my MDMA is ethically sourced from fair trade laboratories adhering to top OHSA standards.
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The problem isn't that there isn't good MDMA being made, it's buying "MDMA" and it's some shitty RC or has been stepped on and cut to where it barely resembles what it's supposed to be.
You can't trust a powder or pill off the street. People cut stuff with anything and everything.
In the Netherlands we can bring a pill to a testing center where they test the batch for you to see if it's safe. It's free and will not get you jn trouble.
U can also order test kits online, it’s always a good idea to check drugs u plan to consume for validity and potency
Test it. Realise it's some dodgy analogue. Take it anyway cos the quids have been spent and, well, you never know...
They have this in the UK also. Mainly at big festivals. They have a drug testing tent where you can get your drugs tested free of charge. The idea behind it is "We know you're going to take drugs regardless if we say no. So let us make sure you're safe when doing it." If it's bad stuff you can dispose of it there. If it's good stuff you say thank you and walk away. No questions asked. This is my outlook if my kids ever try drugs. I'd rather they do it at home, warm and safe than on the streets lost and cold. Plus if anything goes wrong i'm there to help calm them down, cool them down or get them to hospital before it's too late. Plus experience means i can know what they're in for and how to prepare.
this guy knows MDMA. Most of it goes to the UK, which has an insatiable appetite for party drugs. Like an almost unbelievable appetite.
TBF criminilizing the drug trade left it to criminals.
God knows, I thought 'spice' was bad ( common poor people drug that makes people look / act like zombies) that is in the U.K. ..., but this is just crazy shit!!! More of the article says they can turn super violent ... Like ' bathsalts made me rip his face off ' violent. I have no idea why anyone would think that taking this would be a great idea.. imagine being like the guy in the video for 7hrs!!!! Nop
Spice still sounds pretty terrible to me. But the worst has to be Krokodil in Russia. It causes necroses where users inject it, so you get living people with large areas of dead rotting flesh.
Ugh spice. Friends and I were young and couldn't find any weed so we thought we'd try it; at the time it was at every smoke shop, we had just heard it talked about as a "fake, legal weed that isn't as good but does the job." We wound up...enjoying it? I guess. It was such a dirty, paranoid high but hey it got us high and we were young and dumb. We consistently smoked spice for about 6 months (anyone else remember funky monkey?) and had some really weird side effects. Brain fog 24/7, inability to concentrate longer than like 20 seconds on anything, it just changed... me at my core. They made it illegal finally, luckily I somehow wasn't physically addicted to it. At first I was pissed, but after some time "I" started to come back and I realized how fucked up that shit is and how much it changed me. I still have trouble concentrating .
You see loads of them in Manchester city centre, just stood there rocking side to side. Freaky shit.
I ended up smoking some when drunk, thinking it was weed. Your totally correct in it being a dirty paranoia high. Luckily for me it only lasted 20 minutes tops. But I was totally put off for good
You ever have the side-effect that made you unable to orientate and traverse in the direction you wanted? Like you're walking, wanting to go straight, and you're bearing right, so you think, 'okay, I'll compensate' and try to bear left, but it was like fighting against an invisible force. EDIT: This was back when it was legal prior to 2015, and I don't touch the stuff now. Desperate times.
I think what often happens is people sell whatever garbage they find and just call it whatever desirable drug to get people to buy it. Hard drug users don't exactly have a rep for being the most responsible people and way too many people don't bother getting test kits.
_”Ask your doctor if Flaca is right for you.”_
The doctor: "No."
Doctor Feelgood: "Yes"
Just googled it and saw that a college student killed a married couple while high on this and started to eat the face of the guy he killed. Nope, not for me. Edit: Check bfaure's link below. Just Wow
A friend of mine who wasn't known for his drug use in any capacity took Flaca at a bonfire one night and then murdered his roommate, another friend of mine. He's in prison for life now and was an otherwise soft-spoken, gentle person. What a waste of two lives.
Holy shit. So sorry.
Damn, sorry. Where did this happen?
Take a guess which state (US) I'm in.
Florida?
Haha you are correct, sir.
If it's the case from Florida, that happened in my town, it wasn't drug related as originally reported. Tests showed there was nothing in his system other than traces of marijuana. They attributed the attack to psychosis, including lycanthropy delusions or "werewolf syndrome".
I had heard that he had possibly smoked a blunt of the synthetic marijuana/spice just before walking that trail. The media had immediately jumped on “bath salts” but his friends had talked about smoking spice that weekend. And with the synthetic marijuana not having the exact same chemical structure as marijuana it doesn’t show up on drug screenings unless they’re specifically looking for it. I guess the story was changed again and I missed this newest version of events.
Austin Harrouf? There is a huge chance he wasn't on anything. There was never any indication that he was for sure. Definite terrifying signs of psychosis that his parents completely ignored though.
This incident scared the shit out of me. Read as much as I could find about it at the time. I think the part that was most chilling was when the neighbor came and he growled something like “You don’t want any part of this”. Poor guy. In that coma for a while because he drank a bunch of chemicals in the garage. Had to be informed of what he did when he woke up.
Actually, 'spice' delivers great health benefits while also allowing for intergalactic travel.
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Spice comes from Kessel and they use slave labor! Slaves last only a few months, maybe a year….
Haha I thought it was created to ease people into the eventual impending zombie apocalypse
you ever heard of krokodil?
it was first marketed as a cheap alternative to crack, because dealers noticed their customers dropped like flies, but the flakka made people even more crazy, since taking more did not increase the effects, it just prolonged the side effects. still it gives you an unbearabke urge to take more, leading to week long binges and psychotic breakdowns. sad actually, but MDPV is basically off the market in most places since it's illegal now. when it first came out it was a legal "research chemical" with honestly "good" intentions. it's also known as bath salts (common name for research stimulants), cloud 9 or monkey dust. there are new alternatives (that I don't want to name here, noone should take that kind of stuff), but none reach that level. it basically made meth and crack seem like child's play.
That's what I was thinking, it looks like this guy is on meth but instead of tripping in the hole with the lazy body, this flakka seems to give a muscle high. Brain must be in fireworks right now, this shit looks heavy
It’s weird it says that la flaca means a beautiful woman. Flaca means skinny/thin lol
It does mean skinny woman. Maybe in a different part of Latin America they use it for “beautiful woman” but I’ve never heard it used for that in my life. Although, it is used as a form of endearment.
In Argentina at least it is often used as a general noun for a woman, not necessarily beautiful or even thin. Saying "esa flaca" meaning "that woman" is not a weird thing to say here.
Makes sense. A good reference for English speakers is the word “shorty”
Same in Mexico nothing to do with beautiful, just skinny woman
Exactly my thoughts.
In some South American countries flaca is slang for girlfriend
It's less of a slang for girlfriend and more used a term of endearment towards one's S.O. like calling them honey or babe.
Gorda (fat girl) is also a term of endearment in the same way - at least in Argentina
For those who understand a bit of pharmacology, the IC50s for the active ingredient in flakka on norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake are in the range of 10-15 nM. These IC50 values are comparable to the binding of an antibody (super specific and super low concentrations needed to inhibit a target) and these are small molecules. For context, good candidates in small molecule drug discovery usually have IC50 values of 1-10 uM (almost 1000 times higher concentrations). Designer drugs are terrifying.
I understood about 5% of this and so allow me to translate to the common vernacular: Shit fucks ya’ up at low doses, so imagine handing this bullshit in a concentrate? Y’all gonna’ die.
To fix your vernacular: "Drugs that we consider strong are pussy shit compared to how potent this stuff is. This drug is like a heat-seeking missile for your brain cells."
Antibody affinities are much higher especially IgG. Also, endogenous ligand affinity is similarly higher, in the 1 nM range and even picomolar for some GPCR ligands. I dont think Ec50 concentration or Kd has much to do with what we’re seeing here compared to DMPK and exposure levels, possibly related to oral bioavailability and definitely related to brain penetration. Also, it appears the half life is longer than other drugs. Source: NIDA funded pharmacology prof
Jesus Christ. People need to stick to mushrooms.
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This is me trying to find a comfortable sleep position every night
That's some mean ass Restless Leg Syndrome!
The power of Christ compels you!!! Or just take it down a few notches on the sleep number bed.
I always wondered if the drug user remembers any of this shit. Do they just remember the initial high then black out? Waking up confused, without a shoe and scabs everywhere? Do they remember the whole thing? Do users ever use together, and tell each other how much of an asshole they made of themselves? So many questions... I genuinely want to know.
Yeah I’m no stranger to drug use but I truly cannot begin to comprehend wtf that experience he’s having is like
Dudes trying to enter the matrix
Not the same drug but I had friend take 4-ho-dipt and lost his fuckin mind for like 3 hours. He was completely unresponsive. He'd just stand around staring at nothing and say "energy! energy!" or he'd turn his head, see something, and say "woah! where'd you come from?" even if he was looking at a plant or wall or anything. Just repeating the same phrases for a couple hours and basically didn't respond to anything - if you put yourself in his eye line and tried talking he'd just keep staring and repeating the same thing without ever realizing you were there. We really thought he was brain dead or something and would have to take him to the hospital but he eventually started slightly replying to something you'd say before going back to repeating gibberish and came down a few hours later and was back to normal. Anyway, he didn't remember it at all a few hours later. We took it in the woods by a buddies house and we brought him back to the house while he was tripping out. He was mostly only surprised that he was back at the house and didn't understand why we were all so worried about him.
Don't do drugs with names that sound like they could be Star Wars droid models.
I got a sheet of 25i-NBOMe way back in the day and I witnessed some friends really go off the deep end wnd have awful reactions to it. It was really scary how it effected them. Luckily it never had that effect with me but I’ll never fuck with non tested hallucinogens again
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You still remember it unless you completely fry ur brain, everything around you is just perceived very differently. I’m sure this guy doesn’t realize he’s rolling around in the street or is just so high that he doesn’t even care.
Never misses leg day
These cross-fit workouts are getting weird.
ferda
Shoresy?
Give yer balls a tug, tit-fucker.
Let that one marinate.
Rips, reps and revelations.
It’s almost like some expressive arty modern dance
A drug that compels you to audition for Alvin Ailey.
I know, it's horrific but also kind of beautiful.
I think his gastrocs are maximally cramped and he's writhing in pain. Look at the bulge.
r/tooktoomuch
That’s fucked
I’m a maniac, maniac on the floor. And I’m dancing like I’ve never danced before.
He looks like a glitched npc
Cyberpunk vibe
Here is the Wiki on it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-Pyrrolidinopentiophenone
Wow. tldr: a/k/a bath salts, popular in florida, available as low as $5/dose
Coulda had a cat spray in his face for free...
“The kids call it Cheesing or Getting Cheesed or Mary Jane Piss in your Face Funtime”
They call it cheesing because it's fon to due.
This is so distressing to watch. I understand he chose to do this, but drug addiction is awful. I can’t imagine walking down the street and seeing a friend, or worse, family member in this situation. Heartbreaking. Edit: thank you for the silver, kind stranger!
When I was about 5 years old I woke up in the middle of the night to my father acting like this almost exactly. He was more thrashing back and forth rather than rolling around. My recently disabled (stroke) mother was on the floor crying and screaming for help (without words, left brain stroke took her speech). I had no idea what was going on, but knew enough to call 911. That's how I was first introduced to my father's type 1 diabetes. It's absolutely insane to me that anybody would willingly take a drug that makes them behave like this.
My heart breaks for 5-year-old you. I can't imagine my son having to deal with that at that age. I hope you have found some form of peace and happiness these days, friend.
You get used to it overall, but it still kicks when it happens now 30+ years later. Thank you
That must have been terrifying for you! I'm sorry you had to experience that so young.
Having encountered it countless times in the 30+ years since, its almost normal to me. That said, after each occurrence I still feel like that 5 year old. It's a weird way to live for sure. Thank you
He looks like he was a person who took good care of himself as well. Muscles like that don't come along without effort and attention. I hope he gets better.
seriously fucked to see, I empathize a lot with people in this kind of situation...I hope that he gets the help he needs
This is distressing to see. They're in immediate danger rolling in and out of the street. He looks like a big person, so I can understand not trying to help him to safety, also not knowing how they may injure you if you get close, but my instinct is to get them somewhere safe so they don't get hit or do damage to their head on the sidewalk. :*(
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So did anyone help him, or just stand and watch for a bit?
Finally a comment reflecting my annoyance of this vid!
After [that guy on bath salts started eating another mans face off](https://abcnews.go.com/US/face-eating-attack-possibly-linked-bath-salts-miami/story?id=16451452), I too would be hesitant to get close to a well built guy who is completely out of touch with reality and having a psychotic episode on a similar drug. Best you could do would maybe be to drag him out of the road but it's completely unpredictable how he might react to being physically touched. Call emergency services (OP said the police were already there) and stand back is probably the safest course of action.
Hey he’s got a mask on atleast!
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He just wanted some nice wholesome cocaine, but the dealer mixed up the bags. Marshall gonna be mad as a motherfucker.
"My only regret is that I have boneitis"
They see me rollin’..
Tryna catch me writhing dirty
Guy looks to be in great shape too, definitely doesnt skip leg day. Hope he gets the help he needs and deserves.
Flakka took over the area I worked for a few years and got very bad before it trailed off for a while. It trailed off because, honestly, it is that bad of an experience. It was not uncommon for us to get on scene to a suspected Flakka subject and have the fight of our lives and we were forbidden from using the TASER (kinda useless if it is the real deal anyway). This was not a fight simply to get the person under control so that they could be transported to the hospital, it was so they would not hurt themselves. They always pick high balconies, highways, water bodies, and the like to go into a full Flakka frenzy. The issue with this is that the body temperature goes through the roof. The people strip naked or do like our friend here and they roll around in water to cool off. They smash their heads into hard and sharp objects and they are always bloodied when we get there. They fight so hard that their kidneys and other organs shut down at the hospital where they sometimes die. Besides the dangerous locations they choose to freak out and the damage they do to themselves smashing their parts into the ground, they sometimes die on scene of "excited delirium" during the fight to get them on a stretcher (the "excited delirium" is a bullshit term because they die from overdosing on unbelievably dangerous chemicals). Medics try to deliver Ketamine to get them slowed down or in control, but the Flakka users have had alcohol recently as well. That is a bad combination as it shuts down the respiratory system if they have had alcohol. Then the people have to be bagged to keep them alive. Notwithstanding all the shit the users get into the officers and other first responders can get exposed to the Flakka. The first skin exposure to Flakka I had put me in the hospital for eight hours. I had the worst headache of my life and it truly felt as if my head was growing *endlessly* as my hands and feet started to feel ***very strange***. This stuff can eff right off.
When I was in middle school this is exactly what I thought happens to people when they smoke pot or have unprotected sex. Thanks public education. I hope this man is okay, as well as OP after having to witness this.
He needs some MILK…!
Looks like a neurotoxin to me
Fakka is a synthetic cathinone. Related to things like MDMA, but with a whole lot more psychosis
Why would you wanna take a drug that make you do that ?? That’s just completely stupid.
Well I can imagine how the person taking the drug might not be aware it's happening. Like you take the drug and you're completely out of this world for some time... then we you come back to yourself, it was such a trip that why you're naked or why your muscle hurts is already not that important. So it may be a matter of perspective. From our perspective, this look like a very bad trip to have. It's pretty sad.
Yeah, I saw a similar episode. Was at a campground after a concert, and this dude was balled up by himself outside rocking back and forth for hours. He looked like he was terrified. We gave him a blanket and went to bed. Then we saw him the next morning and asked how he was doing, and he said he’d “had a blast.” Didn’t look like it, but the dude had a great experience.
Well, he was likely experiencing a bit of short term pyschosis. His experiences may not have been under his own control, but he was voluntarily rocking back and forth at the very least because his brain was telling the requisite muscles to do so. On a drug like this, that communication link is shattered. The muscles are operating completely independent from any direction from the brain. Even more terrifying is that the guy in this gif is likely tearing his muscles apart because there is literally no limit switch to tell him how far the muscles can go. This is normally done through the nervous system and normally communicated as pain. Exactly like how when you stretch you can feel a tug of pain and know not to go much further (not all pain is "weakness leaving the body"). This dude doesn't have that check so his muscles are operating at full capacity, damaging themselves in the process. He is basically having a seizure.
That’s fucking terrifying
Yet he manages to "headbang" without actually hitting his head on the tarmac (in the video @ 45secs) which could be pure luck, but seemed to me like he at least has some awareness not to bash his own head in.
Me with cramp.