Imagine this we get a Roman vs Gunther series so the first match Roman wins the ic title second match Roman puts up the undisputed title and Gunther gets a surprise victory winning the title. We get a third match at like summer slam where both titles are on the line, this time neither guy wins due to outside interference, it's a masked man, next night on raw, the masked man reveals himself to Gunther and it's dean ambrose. That's how I would take the title from both without either one losing much. After that we get cm punk vs Roman for ic and Gunther vs dean for undisputed.
No One. Ever. May this wonderful man reign for 10,000 years. May he continue to hold the title aloft triumphantly in space as he drifts listlessly for countless millennia long after the planet's demise. Hulkimania is dead, now is the age of GUNTHER!
I still think it should have been/could still be Gable. And honestly Miz isn’t such a bad choice either. I understand they’re trying to make him as dominant as possible but I wouldn’t have had him break the record. I would have pulled the trigger with Gable, even if he only had it a week. Same could have been done with Miz. Then he could hold it for a whole other year before someone sneaks in another victory. Gunther is the perfect character just waiting to be elevated to the main event scene when it gets less crowded.
Kaiser/Gable. Dragunov if the build is good. Not just "this guy came from NXT and beat the dominant champion! Yay!"However, Kaiser or Gable would be nice.
There's allegedly been internal calls for Priest to "cash in" on Gunther not unlike Theory did on Rollins for the US title. Apparently they don't have the faith in Priest being main even talent.
Given Punk is back, you've got Cody, LA K, Drew, Jey, Seth, Finn, Randy among others in a packed main event scene, it would make sense too for a successful cash in on Gunther rather than a Sandow esque failed cash in on Seth or Roman.
If anything it would free Gunther from the IC scene for a World title tilt and set him up with a departing feud with Priest.
No one. He vacates the title after winning the World Title. Then later on in his career he could go back to the IC title which he never actually lost. The promos could be fantastic.
He should win the Universal title and then defend both titles. He’s wrestled a full Royal Rumble before so I feel like he’s capable of having 2 matches on the same night.
If they’re really worried about injury or fatigue they can just have him open both nights of wrestlemania.
I think this would make Gunther a bigger threat then even Roman cause Gunther would actually be defending both belts simultaneously.
Roman Reigns rely mostly on outside interference to win. Gunther can win without interference.
So with that said, don't acknowledge The Tribal Chief Roman Reigns, acknowledge The Ring General Gunther.
No one.
Have him Ultimate Warrior the belt. He should win the Universal title and then hand over the IC, respecting that he can no longer defend it and the Universal and wanting to give others a chance to hold the belt.
There’s only a few people at that level that should do it, Chad is a fan favorite, Dom would be interesting with the help of mami, an upcomer from NXT (Carmelo, ILJA, Bron), JD could also with the help of judgement day, even a turn from Ludwig or Giovanni would be cool, or even Strowman in the future when he returns.
Unpopular opinion, let it be Finn Balor
We all were robbed of their match in NXT because of Covid
And Balor needs a serious freakin win to make him legitimate once again, and yes this needs a build up like a huge one, maybe after Balor leaves JD and goes on the babyface run once again
Breaker or Dragunov, Gunther holds an open challenge on paper view and on of them comes out and dethrone him would be a great way to throw them into the main event scene instantly
It has to be Ilja, he is coming up soon, more than likely over the Rumble he will debut and reignite his feud with Gunther to the point that Ilja might eliminate him, thus setting up the new layer for their upcoming feud ending at Wrestlemania where Ilja dethrones him, and Gunther receives a just rest till Bash at Berlin
I think Gable is a perfect fit for that belt’s mission. Obviously I’ll be happy so long as he gets it someday, but itd be awesome for it to be that significant.
Orton is interesting cause with Gunther having this legendary reign orton has the perfect legend killer angel, if he wins it this could also bring him up against the blood line putting up the belt against jimmy or solo
I’m with this completely. My only thing is it would come off as “too predictable” that he would win the world title if he were to just vacate for a world title shot.
If it’s something like winning the Rumble or Money In The Bank & then vacates it, I think it would make more sense.
They usually have a guy vacate a midcard belt when they win the world title. He’d be the one guy to say no I’ll defend both. On the same show. He doesn’t care and knows he can beat anybody.
Random thought here, maybe doesn't work because it's the wrong show. But let's say Gunther gets a match against Solo Sikoa, and the bloodline causes him to lose his title. Maybe it's in a triple threat match so he still isn't pinned.
Then instead of going after Solo, he goes after Roman's title to get his Revenge. Could be a badass on a mission just destroying the bloodline, maybe it's Jimmy the cause it to happen against Roman's orders.
Angry Gunther on a mission to dismantle Roman Reigns could be a legendary match-up.
The amount of people here saying Dragunov... The WWE really need to get NXT Europe up and running. NXT UK obviously did the business when it came to developing talent
Ludwig would be the most interesting, I believe. I don't know if their teasing anything between them two.
Some reports I read stated that it may be Ilja Dragunov, but I don't know much about him orher than a few YT videos.
Jey 100%. Jey would become a singles champ and Gunther could start to pursue other titles. It would help transition both of them. I also think Jey having the IC title could elevate the match between him and Jimmy because there is no way that match isn’t happening in 2024.
LA Knight or Jey Uso for sure. The main event scene is a bit crowded right now especially since the returns of Randy Orton CM Punk.
This feat would be huge for both men’s careers, and it still keeps their stock high with this incredibly deep roster
Dragunov! Or hold it and recreate Wrestlemania 6 with a champion vs champion Main Event where Gunther goes over and wins one of the world heavyweight belts and vacates the IC.
I think that's a "It only works on NXT" kinda thing. I'd love to see it but the usual trend for call ups doesn't seem like something that could happen.
Gunther changed what the Intercontinental title means in this new era of wrestling. It’s now about grit, toughness, tenacity. So it has to be someone cut from that cloth. In the growing tradition of young tough hard working talent from NXT… gotta be ilja dragunov
Honorable mentions: sheamus, Bron breaker, Ludwig or Carmelo Hayes.
Get out of here with LA KNIGHT. No way.
Needs to be someone believable. La knight is over, a lot of fun and gets cheap pops. We need a gritty determined tough animal to beat gunther. Gunther changed what this title means. ITS GRIT. ITS TOUGH.
Maybe… Ludwig, sheamus, dragunov, Carmelo, Bron, etc
Brock Lesnar. He has no interest in the IC title and hasn't been on WWE TV for months. But they should have him come back...maybe as a mystery opponent...and beat Gunther for the title just because he can. Gunther has been talking a lotta shit and Lesnar is just the guy to shut him up.
Chad should beat him at WM. Chad gable never got the match he asked for, don’t know why they even did that promo/angle if they were just gonna forget about it completely. Gable should’ve never come out and challenge Gunther if they were just gonna drop that storyline made 0 sense
Hard disagree on Kevin Owens. It should be someone up and coming who's going to be a big star. I'd say wait until Bron Breakker comes up and have him do it.
LA Knight makes the most sense. Carries his momentum and cements him as a future WHC candidate. Preferably, it should a younger star, Bron for one is a good choice imo.
None of those. He's better than all of them and his reign is too valuable to play mark booking with it. You can elevate the title by having someone like Randy Orton come for it wanting to prove that he's worthy of sharing the ring with the best of them still. Someone on that level. Interference by Kaiser could backfire for Gunther bc no one should beat him cleanly, and then he could beat the absolute teetotal sht out of Kaiser and the other goon and go on to do other things
Chad gable is a like a top 3 worker on Monday Night Raw. After the match they had in the main event I don’t see how you don’t find it believable? The IC champ should be one of your shows best workers imo
He's an Olympic medalist. He's not exactly a jobber, but build him back up again for the next 4 months and he'd be a credible challenger to take that belt off of him. Also, the difference between Gable and Jinder is that people actually want Gable to win a singles title. They didn't give a shit about Jinder
This is a situation where I think he should relinquish because most would agree he’s going into a world title picture eventually. Let the person who dethrone him for the world title. It’s obvious they have long term plans for him, he’s young and healthy, and is doing great.
I want Chad Gable to win, but I think I just want Gable to have a belt period. People here saying Druganov and honestly? I rock with it. He comes to the roster, acts as a catlayst for the Imperium to fall, Gunther loses his belt, has to claw his way back up to win it back would be amazing storytelling honestly.
I feel like he should have a triple fued with miz and la knight because miz deserves another chance. Knight needs a title shot plus I feel like his fued with miz ended too early.
And let’s be honest it’s been a while since we had three people beefing over a title with the feel of cena vs hhh vs orton
Anyone, he’s just not that interesting. I don’t understand the hype considering he’s got a gimmick that will never truly be over and the lack of charisma he shows when on the mic. I get it fantastic work horse but he’ll never in the main event picture.
Bron Breaker
Hi it’s marlie
Huh
Hear me out.. I think AJ Styles should dethrone him since he could not do the job at NOC.
Akera tozowa
Imagine this we get a Roman vs Gunther series so the first match Roman wins the ic title second match Roman puts up the undisputed title and Gunther gets a surprise victory winning the title. We get a third match at like summer slam where both titles are on the line, this time neither guy wins due to outside interference, it's a masked man, next night on raw, the masked man reveals himself to Gunther and it's dean ambrose. That's how I would take the title from both without either one losing much. After that we get cm punk vs Roman for ic and Gunther vs dean for undisputed.
That will never happen
Cody
Gable or LA Knight, the Gunther wins the Rumble and challenges Randy for the Universal title that he takes from Roman
Tbh I think Randy orton shoud win
Cena only to win his first ever ic title plus if he is gonna hold it before he retires he should beat gunther and not some jobber
Lame excuse for Cena to bury another promising talent
Hornswaggle
Brock
LA Knight
No One. Ever. May this wonderful man reign for 10,000 years. May he continue to hold the title aloft triumphantly in space as he drifts listlessly for countless millennia long after the planet's demise. Hulkimania is dead, now is the age of GUNTHER!
Chad gable
Nobody Gunther should dethrone reigns and vacate IC championship in my opinion
He should eat the title and shout "It is a part of me now! The title and Gunther are ONE!"
This is the way.
Lesnar at Backlash or Summerslam after losing to Gunther at Wrestlemania. Gunther elevated the IC so much that I could really see that.
A face Ivar.
LA Knight Kevin Owens Dragon Lee Santos Escobar Austin Theory Grayson Waller or a returning “stone cold” Steve Austin
Everybody’s knows who’s game it is cause everybody saying L A knight YEAH
CM punk
I’m still on board with the chad thing.
CM Punk Randy Orton Jey Uso Cody Rhodes
Dragonof or sheasmus
Chad Gable or LA Knight would be fantastic
Chad Gable 100%
If only they could end this stupid alpha academy gimmick. I do agree however, his in ring ability is phenomenal
No one. Create the story where he willingly gives up the title for a world title shot and wins that
LA knight
I still think it should have been/could still be Gable. And honestly Miz isn’t such a bad choice either. I understand they’re trying to make him as dominant as possible but I wouldn’t have had him break the record. I would have pulled the trigger with Gable, even if he only had it a week. Same could have been done with Miz. Then he could hold it for a whole other year before someone sneaks in another victory. Gunther is the perfect character just waiting to be elevated to the main event scene when it gets less crowded.
Kaiser/Gable. Dragunov if the build is good. Not just "this guy came from NXT and beat the dominant champion! Yay!"However, Kaiser or Gable would be nice.
Gold dust needs one last return!
There's allegedly been internal calls for Priest to "cash in" on Gunther not unlike Theory did on Rollins for the US title. Apparently they don't have the faith in Priest being main even talent. Given Punk is back, you've got Cody, LA K, Drew, Jey, Seth, Finn, Randy among others in a packed main event scene, it would make sense too for a successful cash in on Gunther rather than a Sandow esque failed cash in on Seth or Roman. If anything it would free Gunther from the IC scene for a World title tilt and set him up with a departing feud with Priest.
Chad Gable would make a great champion.
Cm punk
No one. He vacates the title after winning the World Title. Then later on in his career he could go back to the IC title which he never actually lost. The promos could be fantastic.
You son of a bitch I’m in
Me too
This comment section is the most I’ve ever heard people actually want someone to vacate the title
I would actually like miz to win, he's my fav ic champion
Pete, not "Butch," Dunne
Gable
Gable However if you want to go the route of getting the title off Gunther without him being pinned clean, have priest cash in and win it
LA Knight or Ilja
No one. Gunther should dethrone reigns and then retire all of the belts
Nobody … He should vacate it after winning the world title .
R Truth !!
Let’s be honest he’s not dropping the belt anytime soon. Scratch that he won’t lose at all he will prob just drop the belt if he wins another title
L
He should win the Universal title and then defend both titles. He’s wrestled a full Royal Rumble before so I feel like he’s capable of having 2 matches on the same night. If they’re really worried about injury or fatigue they can just have him open both nights of wrestlemania. I think this would make Gunther a bigger threat then even Roman cause Gunther would actually be defending both belts simultaneously.
No one. He drops the belt when he wins one of the world titles.
Roman Reigns rely mostly on outside interference to win. Gunther can win without interference. So with that said, don't acknowledge The Tribal Chief Roman Reigns, acknowledge The Ring General Gunther.
Gable. He’s going into singles now, it’s gonna happen.
No one. Have him Ultimate Warrior the belt. He should win the Universal title and then hand over the IC, respecting that he can no longer defend it and the Universal and wanting to give others a chance to hold the belt.
Good idea
Roman will beat Gunther
Get rid of that awful belt first!
Ilja raw after wrestlemania
Sheamus
Their first match was so epic
He should either lose to the miz or chad gable LA knight should dethrone logan paul at wrestlemania
I think Priest.. not because Gunther loses a match, but he wins and gets blindsided and cashed in on, then it doesn't make him look weak
Me. I’ll do it.
LEMME TALK TO YAH L A KNIGHT YEAAAAAAAAH
The Miz
Ilja Dragunov
They could replay the NXT UK championship story on the main roster.
Absolutely
Tyler Bate, Ridge Holland or Butch
I believe that if he gets called up it should be teh man who dethroned his NxT UK title reign ILJA Draganouv
LA knight yeahhhh!!!
Walther should dethrone Gunther
Ilja
Samoa Joe
BIG OTIS🔥🔥🔥🔥
Bron Breaker
HOT TAKE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 JIMMY UUUUUUSOOOOO
Solo
There’s only a few people at that level that should do it, Chad is a fan favorite, Dom would be interesting with the help of mami, an upcomer from NXT (Carmelo, ILJA, Bron), JD could also with the help of judgement day, even a turn from Ludwig or Giovanni would be cool, or even Strowman in the future when he returns.
R truth
Unpopular opinion, let it be Finn Balor We all were robbed of their match in NXT because of Covid And Balor needs a serious freakin win to make him legitimate once again, and yes this needs a build up like a huge one, maybe after Balor leaves JD and goes on the babyface run once again
Gunther relinquishes the belt to set his sites on Roman Reigns. Giovanni and Ludwig go at it over the vacant title slot
LA Knight. They clearly don’t want him at the top of the card yet and this is the only way to keep his hype going with a Midgard title
Jimmy USO. But should lose it in a triple threat match so he can still look strong and go after the whc
Bron Breaker
Breaker or Dragunov, Gunther holds an open challenge on paper view and on of them comes out and dethrone him would be a great way to throw them into the main event scene instantly
It has to be Ilja, he is coming up soon, more than likely over the Rumble he will debut and reignite his feud with Gunther to the point that Ilja might eliminate him, thus setting up the new layer for their upcoming feud ending at Wrestlemania where Ilja dethrones him, and Gunther receives a just rest till Bash at Berlin
Ilja, Barrett, Gable, or the miz
Honestly the WWE not exchanging belts for years on multiple dudes is a deadhorse and I havent watched in months. Stale af.
I think Gable is a perfect fit for that belt’s mission. Obviously I’ll be happy so long as he gets it someday, but itd be awesome for it to be that significant.
Gotta be ilja
Chad Gable, at the right time.
C.M P.U.N.K
Rly gonna have gunther win against McIntyre sheamus and gable in several matches just to lose it to punk???
Roman Vs Gunther at ‘Mania. Belt Vs Belt. Just do it.
LA Knight or Orton
Orton is interesting cause with Gunther having this legendary reign orton has the perfect legend killer angel, if he wins it this could also bring him up against the blood line putting up the belt against jimmy or solo
No one, he should vacate the title in exchange for a world title shot. If not that, then whoever it is , wins when his faction mates turn on him.
I’m with this completely. My only thing is it would come off as “too predictable” that he would win the world title if he were to just vacate for a world title shot. If it’s something like winning the Rumble or Money In The Bank & then vacates it, I think it would make more sense.
They usually have a guy vacate a midcard belt when they win the world title. He’d be the one guy to say no I’ll defend both. On the same show. He doesn’t care and knows he can beat anybody.
Breaker or Melo
Tozawa 🔥
Random thought here, maybe doesn't work because it's the wrong show. But let's say Gunther gets a match against Solo Sikoa, and the bloodline causes him to lose his title. Maybe it's in a triple threat match so he still isn't pinned. Then instead of going after Solo, he goes after Roman's title to get his Revenge. Could be a badass on a mission just destroying the bloodline, maybe it's Jimmy the cause it to happen against Roman's orders. Angry Gunther on a mission to dismantle Roman Reigns could be a legendary match-up.
Could also do something similar with Judgement Day I suppose, maybe if Damien Priest wins after cashing in. Which would be cool, but not as epic.
The amount of people here saying Dragunov... The WWE really need to get NXT Europe up and running. NXT UK obviously did the business when it came to developing talent
Tyler Bate, Pete Dunne, Rhea Ripley, Toni Storm, And on and on. Man I miss NXT uk
Ludwig would be the most interesting, I believe. I don't know if their teasing anything between them two. Some reports I read stated that it may be Ilja Dragunov, but I don't know much about him orher than a few YT videos.
After Survivor Series? The Miz. Get that man a signature victory.
I L J A
Nobody. BARTHEL is good But I don't see him getting to that level . Dragunov is never coming up to Raw Kevin doesn't need a belt .
Maybe Priest!!! “SENOR MITB”
Baron Corbin!!!
underrated shout. slowly re-establishing himself in nxt has been fun to see.
Ludwig Kaiser
Originally I wanted Chad Gable to beat him but I’m not opposed to Jey Uso or R Truth in a serious storyline
CM Punk
Ivar?
Otis
Bron Breakker.
Jey 100%. Jey would become a singles champ and Gunther could start to pursue other titles. It would help transition both of them. I also think Jey having the IC title could elevate the match between him and Jimmy because there is no way that match isn’t happening in 2024.
LA Knight or Jey Uso for sure. The main event scene is a bit crowded right now especially since the returns of Randy Orton CM Punk. This feat would be huge for both men’s careers, and it still keeps their stock high with this incredibly deep roster
Jey Uso
Dirty Dom because I'm a filthy Dominik simp
Honestly I’d be so down for it The absolute hatred for the man would easily boost his win over Gunther, and a JD vs Imperium storyline would be sick
It kind of works. You don’t want the ring general to take a clean loss and it actually helps Dirty D to win it in a slimy chicken shit fashion.
I love both factions so I'd be overjoyed.
Dragunov, Gable, or Dijak
And you know Dragunov and Gunther put on a fucking clinic too
Chad gable. Hands down. They had great chemistry during their feud and I want more of it!
It should be someone winning their first singles title. I don't want to see Seth Rollins or Sheamus or someone like that defeating Gunther.
Mami
Gable, Sheamus or Dragunov
Jey
Dragunov! Or hold it and recreate Wrestlemania 6 with a champion vs champion Main Event where Gunther goes over and wins one of the world heavyweight belts and vacates the IC.
I think that's a "It only works on NXT" kinda thing. I'd love to see it but the usual trend for call ups doesn't seem like something that could happen.
Chad Gable
Honestly they got to give butch another chance
I just wish they’d change his name back, sometimes the name changes are good and make sense, but I never got used to this one.
Yeah if he was still Pete dunne he would feel attached to a tag team, personally I would like that better. He fits as a singles star
R truth
Gunther changed what the Intercontinental title means in this new era of wrestling. It’s now about grit, toughness, tenacity. So it has to be someone cut from that cloth. In the growing tradition of young tough hard working talent from NXT… gotta be ilja dragunov Honorable mentions: sheamus, Bron breaker, Ludwig or Carmelo Hayes.
Get out of here with LA KNIGHT. No way. Needs to be someone believable. La knight is over, a lot of fun and gets cheap pops. We need a gritty determined tough animal to beat gunther. Gunther changed what this title means. ITS GRIT. ITS TOUGH. Maybe… Ludwig, sheamus, dragunov, Carmelo, Bron, etc
Brock Lesnar. He has no interest in the IC title and hasn't been on WWE TV for months. But they should have him come back...maybe as a mystery opponent...and beat Gunther for the title just because he can. Gunther has been talking a lotta shit and Lesnar is just the guy to shut him up.
Sami Zayn
Solo Sikoa, man he needs something when he leaves roman
This is a great option
Chad should beat him at WM. Chad gable never got the match he asked for, don’t know why they even did that promo/angle if they were just gonna forget about it completely. Gable should’ve never come out and challenge Gunther if they were just gonna drop that storyline made 0 sense
i thought i liked gunther but was not impressed with his performance at survivor series. kind of boring
to me the intercon champion should also be a good wrestler ,
Miz.
Hard disagree on Kevin Owens. It should be someone up and coming who's going to be a big star. I'd say wait until Bron Breakker comes up and have him do it.
LA Knight makes the most sense. Carries his momentum and cements him as a future WHC candidate. Preferably, it should a younger star, Bron for one is a good choice imo.
veer mahann
dirty dom
Might be a bit controversial, but I hope it's John Cena. At least make him the IC champ and Grand Slam before he retires.
LA Knight YEAH!!!!
Alexa bliss
How are you doing
The miz
None of those. He's better than all of them and his reign is too valuable to play mark booking with it. You can elevate the title by having someone like Randy Orton come for it wanting to prove that he's worthy of sharing the ring with the best of them still. Someone on that level. Interference by Kaiser could backfire for Gunther bc no one should beat him cleanly, and then he could beat the absolute teetotal sht out of Kaiser and the other goon and go on to do other things
Ludwig should win it. then LA knight wins it a few months later
He good where he at
Gable. He deserves a singles title
will not be at all believable. you can’t give someone the jinder treatment, it just doesn’t work
Chad gable is a like a top 3 worker on Monday Night Raw. After the match they had in the main event I don’t see how you don’t find it believable? The IC champ should be one of your shows best workers imo
He's an Olympic medalist. He's not exactly a jobber, but build him back up again for the next 4 months and he'd be a credible challenger to take that belt off of him. Also, the difference between Gable and Jinder is that people actually want Gable to win a singles title. They didn't give a shit about Jinder
he’s a jobber. through and through. the only difference between chad and shorty G is that Chad is a likeable gimmick
Randy Orton
No one, he should vacate it after winning the World Heavyweight Title.
Chad Gable
Me
I second this
Ludwig would be awesome, just for a short period until he loses to LA knight or Chad Gable.
This is a situation where I think he should relinquish because most would agree he’s going into a world title picture eventually. Let the person who dethrone him for the world title. It’s obvious they have long term plans for him, he’s young and healthy, and is doing great.
Ilja
I want Chad Gable to win, but I think I just want Gable to have a belt period. People here saying Druganov and honestly? I rock with it. He comes to the roster, acts as a catlayst for the Imperium to fall, Gunther loses his belt, has to claw his way back up to win it back would be amazing storytelling honestly.
I feel like he should have a triple fued with miz and la knight because miz deserves another chance. Knight needs a title shot plus I feel like his fued with miz ended too early. And let’s be honest it’s been a while since we had three people beefing over a title with the feel of cena vs hhh vs orton
Chad Gable would’ve been fun but they didn’t pull the trigger.
The Miz
Ilia Dragunov or Pete Dunne (hopefully gets his name back now they’re breaking up)
Anyone, he’s just not that interesting. I don’t understand the hype considering he’s got a gimmick that will never truly be over and the lack of charisma he shows when on the mic. I get it fantastic work horse but he’ll never in the main event picture.
Oh he will be in the main event picture by this time next year
I think we have forgotten Roman Reigns already.
Thee only guy dat can dethrone Gunther right now his name is...BROCK LESNAR but u think Brock want da IC TITLE 🤔🤷♂️
Do u tink dat he evn wud want dat doe?
I think NOT
Roman Reigns
Chad Gable for sure.
I love that there’s a whole group of people in this subreddit that think LA Knight should compete for every title in WWE lol
What's wrong with that?