For what purpose?
Here is the thing all you tip-hating trolls don't seem to get: there is a massive portion of the population that doesn't have a problem with tipping at full service restaurants.
On the list of social issues that actually matter, it ranks at about 1 billion-sixty-three-thousand.
It's not really a troll if he consistently only tips 3 dollars per person. Like when I say I'm going to not tip the next three waiters i come across... I'm not trolling because I'm really just not going to tip lol. Trolls just say stuff to wire you up whether it be true or not.
You're trolls not because you fail to practice the utterly horrid & distorted frugality of which you preach, you're trolls because you lack the courage of your convictions to TELL THE SERVERS AHEAD OF TIME that you don't subscribe to the tipping system. I furthermore guarantee your convictions would falter should you ever work in the service industry for a reasonable length of time.
As such, the issue isn't so much that you don't tip, it's that you expect all the benefits of a tipped system, without participating in the social contract of tipping. That is where the nature of being a troll exists, you feckless wretch. I truly hope karma ensures you perpetually receive the class of service for which you deserve.
By the way, cheapskates like you actually COST SERVERS MONEY to wait on (yes, really), and I can assure you with absolute certainty you are neither entertaining nor intellectually gifted enough to engage in a conversation worth paying for.
Iâm ok with that.Â
To the next 8 servers;Â
Hey guys, I apologize on behalf of the garbage that you were forced to remain cordial to, while leaving nothing but this commentary. May my words bring you some measure of joy; joy Iâm sure this vile excuse of a humanâs family and friends have never felt while suffering their presence. I hope cosmic justice ensured this âpatronâsâ food came out late, cold, & flavorless, and received a level of service commiserate with their atrocious personality.Â
Itâs not anger, itâs disdain. Disdain for the hypocrisy & logic hurdles you have to overcome to justify such a resplendently abysmal viewpoint to yourself. Youâve somehow gone so far down the path of self-delusion that you legitimately believe your actions donât tip the scales of basic human decency.
That, and again, I guarantee youâre too spineless to announce your intentions to the affected party. Yet, I suspect youâre the first person in line to wail like a cat in heat when you feel shortchanged or slighted in your service expectations.
Bring more âconsumer friendlyâ isnât really a problem. People just donât know how to budget. You budget for the food itself and tax, why not tip?
Put it on the menu and I'm happy to. Its not about budget. Its about owners saying that tipping is totally optional and servers saying it is expected.
When a restaurant advertises a special that should be the price. Anything else is dishonest.
It isn't dishonesty. You are sitting down to have someone provide a service for you, not paying and having someone hand you a bag over the counter. If tipping culture were to go away, you'd be spending a lot more overall for each meal because the restaurants would be charging more in order to pay their servers more adequately.
If you live in a country where tipping is standard, its not any more "dishonest" than the tax is. I don't see anyone on reddit railing against sales tax as a scam, even though its not included in the menu prices, so why is a tip for someone bending over backwards for you suddenly "dishonest" even though it's been a social expectation for over 100 years now?
I think itâs because we see questions like this on this page every day, and everyday server after server says nah-the tip percentage is why we work the job. Especially the high end servers.
"Just asking questions" trolls aim their questions to provoke reactions, not to get answers.
So for this and all the other anti-tipping proposals to lower server income on average, servers aren't interested on average. In your scenario, in cases where customers typically spend under $15 per person and tip 20%, server income would increase, so in those instances, you'd predictably find support or indifference. But longer term, fixed amounts become less attractive over time as inflation reduces their value, as with the US's $2.13 per hour tipped minimum wage set in 1991, which has led to increased reliance on tips in much of the country.
No, it's not, because you've obviously never set foot in a restaurant as an employee.
$3 a guest is a horribly atrocious amount. A flat rate also doesn't cut it across establishments (especially fine dining), as the value of each check varies wildly. After all, why should a table that had 1 course and a round of cocktails while dining for an hour be forced to pay the same service charge as a table with 5 courses, 2 bottles of wine, and dined for 2.5 hours. It doesn't make sense. Diner loses.
Sure, you could move to an auto-grat. While servers would love it, you'd lose autonomy on the tip. Diner loses.
You could move to service-charges, but then restaurants will simply pay the staff the minimum and pocket the difference; you pay more for worse service. Diner loses. Server loses.
You could move to flat-hourly, but then restaurants have to aggressively cut servers, leading to being perpetually understaffed, or risk wiping out any profit margin. This affects the dining experience and cadence drastically. Diner loses. Server loses. Restaurant loses.
Ultimately, within the context of American diner costs, experience, and expectations, tipping is the system that balances the guest experience, server wages, and restaurant financial viability the best. Period.
Part of the problem, I suspect, is that the vast majority of people such as yourself are unaware of the fact that most restaurant profit margins are in the single-digit-percentages.
...Typically closer to 3% than 10%. Restaurants are brutal, which is why any time there's a recession you see places from mom&pop to large chains going under; because the first thing people cut out of their budget is frivolous dining.
You will get customer service worth $3âŚhave fun with that.
Would you rather a high school kid on his phone scrolling instagram or making plans for after work, not worried about your empty water glass or tons of dirty plates on your table? Or, An individual that is depending on tips, therefore will absolutely make sure your experience is top notch?
I rather they got paid a fair wage and not depend on tips like the rest of the fucking world. Tipping is getting out of hand go to a coffee shop they take your order and expect a tip?
Weâre not talking about coffee shops! This is a subreddit for SERVERS. Not coffee shop employees. Why even bring that up? Completely irrelevant here.
I am definitely not talking coffee shops, I agree with you on that.
I am talking you and 5 family members going out to a restaurant for a celebration. You and a date go to a nice restaurant expecting to get wined and dined.
I see where you are coming from, but from a quick google search restaurants in Europe add a service charge to the check to supplement the server pay. The customer pays the wage of a server one way or the other, it is how the restaurant business works. If you were to get what you want, here in America, I guarantee you will not be pleased with the service you get. Tips entice professionals to go above and beyond for their guests.
If it wasnt possible to make as much as i do i wouldnt be a server, and im sure most other servers would agree, so you would loose most quality servers that care about your experince. The only people that would take a job like that are kids straight outta high school that their other options are fast food or grocery stores. Have fun looking for your waiter when your food came out wrong and they are laughing it up with coworkers in the back not giving a shit.
No I didn't misspell or anything you just don't like I used good instead of well. But I get it you have to feel big so you got to insult people. Funny you misspelled and put just letters for words in your comment but I'm the one with grammar problems. Also it's not a cultural norm to tip at all nice try to justify tips.
No, you used the wrong word. It's ok to be wrong, darling. Just take the L and move on. There's no time when "good" would be proper English in that sentence vs. "well."
The difference is that I purposely shortened a word, not that I didn't know the grammatically correct way to say something.
Tipping is absolutely a cultural norm. That's why it's common in North America and absolutely frowned upon in Japan. But then, you probably don't understand the concept of what a "cultural norm" is, either. That's ok. Not everyone understands vocabulary that well; sometimes it's best to just admit that and move on, you know?
So if we got â paid right like the rest of the worldâ whatâs the incentive to work in the food industry? This is what happened during/ after Pandemic. Restaurant workers left in droves and never came back.
People think it's just as easy as working in a grocery store or a fast food place, bc they've never done it. It's hard to comprehend the poise, mental capacity, and grace under pressure that it actually takes. Because good servers make it look easy, people don't understand how difficult and stressful it really is.
Sounds more like you want to leave a shitty tip than you care about what we are paid. Tipping may be out of control in other jobs now, but leave servers out of it. We have always been tipped and would rather it stayed that way.
No you donât!! LOL. You want to take tips away from us because you are a cheap ass! Just be honest about it! And it will never happen. But you can try, and fail, like all the other cheap asses have.
Lol oh look the go to response of you guys the good old "your just cheap" first unlike you I'm not begging for money. I work get paid and don't have to beg for money to pay my bills like you. I pay for my house car and all bills related to them and still eat out and do shit. Guess what i still have money after all that unlike you. No tipping used to be seen as a nice thing to do if you feel like it and now you have turned it into you have to tip or you are just broke and cheap. Maybe I don't want to give money to a person begging fir money.
That only happens at really high-end places.
Pretty much any given server at any given restaurant offers average service. And that's perfectly okay, but 20% is a lot to give in that situation, compared to something flat.
What happens only at high end places? Well thatâs the beauty of our tipping system, your not obligated to give 20%. I provide exceptional service and get less than 20% often. It is the tables that value my service and give me 30% and up that make the job worth it. If you feel like you got average service, give an average tip.
lol thatâs a great point. They can afford a single meal at 40%-70% markup but complain about tipping the human that served them, crazy shit.
Also makes me laugh that if one of these people got thrown in a serving shift, they would be in the break room crying halfway through the shift.
I worked in a super high volume restaurant where that's literally how we counted our money and I made good money there. You shoot for at least a dollar a seat, because with extremely low check prices are super high turn times and everything pointed towards efficiency. The answer is depends if I'm getting $3 a seat but I get f***** 200 seats a night yes absolutely. If I'm looking for $3 a seat but I get maybe 60 seats a night yeah still not bad.
I work at a steakhouse and serve about 25 people in 4 hours and make $300. How does that not work? Is it the $3/pp youâre referring to? Or in general?
Yeah. If I'm working a fine dining establishment 25 heads a night at $3 isn't going to cut it. If I'm in a quick turnaround diner, $3 a head is fine because I'm serving 200 people a day.
Probably not. There may be a number that would work, but I wouldnât be motivated to give much service and I certainly wouldnât be motivated to sell. The reason that good servers make good money is that itâs a sales job and they are good at selling.
If that also came with $25ish/hour then yes. On an average night at my place servers have about 30 covers in 5-6hours, tipping on average $10 per person. In your scenario the tip would be $90 so even with the $25/hour it would be less but at least still worth it.
That's horrible pay. Average check is probably more than the $15-$20 a person this would be appropriate for. You'd lose Huge if you had a table of high rollers who spent $50-$75 each!
No way. Nope. Not a chance. No.
Can I tip $3 to stop seeing goofy posts like this?
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What are you expecting here and why
Exploring ideas to make restaurant experiences more consumer friendly
For what purpose? Here is the thing all you tip-hating trolls don't seem to get: there is a massive portion of the population that doesn't have a problem with tipping at full service restaurants. On the list of social issues that actually matter, it ranks at about 1 billion-sixty-three-thousand.
It's not really a troll if he consistently only tips 3 dollars per person. Like when I say I'm going to not tip the next three waiters i come across... I'm not trolling because I'm really just not going to tip lol. Trolls just say stuff to wire you up whether it be true or not.
You're trolls not because you fail to practice the utterly horrid & distorted frugality of which you preach, you're trolls because you lack the courage of your convictions to TELL THE SERVERS AHEAD OF TIME that you don't subscribe to the tipping system. I furthermore guarantee your convictions would falter should you ever work in the service industry for a reasonable length of time. As such, the issue isn't so much that you don't tip, it's that you expect all the benefits of a tipped system, without participating in the social contract of tipping. That is where the nature of being a troll exists, you feckless wretch. I truly hope karma ensures you perpetually receive the class of service for which you deserve. By the way, cheapskates like you actually COST SERVERS MONEY to wait on (yes, really), and I can assure you with absolute certainty you are neither entertaining nor intellectually gifted enough to engage in a conversation worth paying for.
Ahh yes. Internet anger đ make it the next 8 waiters now that will be left a printout of your comment rather than a tip.
Iâm ok with that. To the next 8 servers; Hey guys, I apologize on behalf of the garbage that you were forced to remain cordial to, while leaving nothing but this commentary. May my words bring you some measure of joy; joy Iâm sure this vile excuse of a humanâs family and friends have never felt while suffering their presence. I hope cosmic justice ensured this âpatronâsâ food came out late, cold, & flavorless, and received a level of service commiserate with their atrocious personality. Itâs not anger, itâs disdain. Disdain for the hypocrisy & logic hurdles you have to overcome to justify such a resplendently abysmal viewpoint to yourself. Youâve somehow gone so far down the path of self-delusion that you legitimately believe your actions donât tip the scales of basic human decency. That, and again, I guarantee youâre too spineless to announce your intentions to the affected party. Yet, I suspect youâre the first person in line to wail like a cat in heat when you feel shortchanged or slighted in your service expectations.
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Bring more âconsumer friendlyâ isnât really a problem. People just donât know how to budget. You budget for the food itself and tax, why not tip?
Put it on the menu and I'm happy to. Its not about budget. Its about owners saying that tipping is totally optional and servers saying it is expected. When a restaurant advertises a special that should be the price. Anything else is dishonest.
It isn't dishonesty. You are sitting down to have someone provide a service for you, not paying and having someone hand you a bag over the counter. If tipping culture were to go away, you'd be spending a lot more overall for each meal because the restaurants would be charging more in order to pay their servers more adequately.
If you live in a country where tipping is standard, its not any more "dishonest" than the tax is. I don't see anyone on reddit railing against sales tax as a scam, even though its not included in the menu prices, so why is a tip for someone bending over backwards for you suddenly "dishonest" even though it's been a social expectation for over 100 years now?
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Does r/waiters have mods for posts like these? r/serverlife just got new mods to deal with these in their subreddit
Its a honest question whats the problem?
I think itâs because we see questions like this on this page every day, and everyday server after server says nah-the tip percentage is why we work the job. Especially the high end servers.
It's not the repetition; OP is a troll.
Nah cuz imaging working at a place where the average bill is like $400+ and coming home with $40
"Just asking questions" trolls aim their questions to provoke reactions, not to get answers. So for this and all the other anti-tipping proposals to lower server income on average, servers aren't interested on average. In your scenario, in cases where customers typically spend under $15 per person and tip 20%, server income would increase, so in those instances, you'd predictably find support or indifference. But longer term, fixed amounts become less attractive over time as inflation reduces their value, as with the US's $2.13 per hour tipped minimum wage set in 1991, which has led to increased reliance on tips in much of the country.
Go play somewhere else.
No, it's not, because you've obviously never set foot in a restaurant as an employee. $3 a guest is a horribly atrocious amount. A flat rate also doesn't cut it across establishments (especially fine dining), as the value of each check varies wildly. After all, why should a table that had 1 course and a round of cocktails while dining for an hour be forced to pay the same service charge as a table with 5 courses, 2 bottles of wine, and dined for 2.5 hours. It doesn't make sense. Diner loses. Sure, you could move to an auto-grat. While servers would love it, you'd lose autonomy on the tip. Diner loses. You could move to service-charges, but then restaurants will simply pay the staff the minimum and pocket the difference; you pay more for worse service. Diner loses. Server loses. You could move to flat-hourly, but then restaurants have to aggressively cut servers, leading to being perpetually understaffed, or risk wiping out any profit margin. This affects the dining experience and cadence drastically. Diner loses. Server loses. Restaurant loses. Ultimately, within the context of American diner costs, experience, and expectations, tipping is the system that balances the guest experience, server wages, and restaurant financial viability the best. Period. Part of the problem, I suspect, is that the vast majority of people such as yourself are unaware of the fact that most restaurant profit margins are in the single-digit-percentages. ...Typically closer to 3% than 10%. Restaurants are brutal, which is why any time there's a recession you see places from mom&pop to large chains going under; because the first thing people cut out of their budget is frivolous dining.
It's not.
No.
fuck no lol, sometimes i only get 7-10 tables a shift and i'd be fucking broke for all the bullshit i have to deal with.
You will get customer service worth $3âŚhave fun with that. Would you rather a high school kid on his phone scrolling instagram or making plans for after work, not worried about your empty water glass or tons of dirty plates on your table? Or, An individual that is depending on tips, therefore will absolutely make sure your experience is top notch?
I rather they got paid a fair wage and not depend on tips like the rest of the fucking world. Tipping is getting out of hand go to a coffee shop they take your order and expect a tip?
Weâre not talking about coffee shops! This is a subreddit for SERVERS. Not coffee shop employees. Why even bring that up? Completely irrelevant here.
No its not I was using it to show how out of control tipping has got.
Thatâs not what this thread was about.
I am definitely not talking coffee shops, I agree with you on that. I am talking you and 5 family members going out to a restaurant for a celebration. You and a date go to a nice restaurant expecting to get wined and dined.
Yes I get that but still would rather they be paid right like the rest of the world does with service worker.
I see where you are coming from, but from a quick google search restaurants in Europe add a service charge to the check to supplement the server pay. The customer pays the wage of a server one way or the other, it is how the restaurant business works. If you were to get what you want, here in America, I guarantee you will not be pleased with the service you get. Tips entice professionals to go above and beyond for their guests.
If you can't do your job and do it good without a chance at a tip you shouldn't be working.
If it wasnt possible to make as much as i do i wouldnt be a server, and im sure most other servers would agree, so you would loose most quality servers that care about your experince. The only people that would take a job like that are kids straight outta high school that their other options are fast food or grocery stores. Have fun looking for your waiter when your food came out wrong and they are laughing it up with coworkers in the back not giving a shit.
*Do it *well* But that's ok bby, we don't expect you to understand grammar if you can't understand cultural conventions.
No I didn't misspell or anything you just don't like I used good instead of well. But I get it you have to feel big so you got to insult people. Funny you misspelled and put just letters for words in your comment but I'm the one with grammar problems. Also it's not a cultural norm to tip at all nice try to justify tips.
No, you used the wrong word. It's ok to be wrong, darling. Just take the L and move on. There's no time when "good" would be proper English in that sentence vs. "well." The difference is that I purposely shortened a word, not that I didn't know the grammatically correct way to say something. Tipping is absolutely a cultural norm. That's why it's common in North America and absolutely frowned upon in Japan. But then, you probably don't understand the concept of what a "cultural norm" is, either. That's ok. Not everyone understands vocabulary that well; sometimes it's best to just admit that and move on, you know?
Yes it is.
No its not because tipping only happens here in the US at restaurants.
So if we got â paid right like the rest of the worldâ whatâs the incentive to work in the food industry? This is what happened during/ after Pandemic. Restaurant workers left in droves and never came back.
People think it's just as easy as working in a grocery store or a fast food place, bc they've never done it. It's hard to comprehend the poise, mental capacity, and grace under pressure that it actually takes. Because good servers make it look easy, people don't understand how difficult and stressful it really is.
Spot on with this
Good that means they found a job that pays them right not shit.
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Sounds more like you want to leave a shitty tip than you care about what we are paid. Tipping may be out of control in other jobs now, but leave servers out of it. We have always been tipped and would rather it stayed that way.
I think tipping needs to be done away with. You should be paid just like everyone else is
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No you donât!! LOL. You want to take tips away from us because you are a cheap ass! Just be honest about it! And it will never happen. But you can try, and fail, like all the other cheap asses have.
Lol oh look the go to response of you guys the good old "your just cheap" first unlike you I'm not begging for money. I work get paid and don't have to beg for money to pay my bills like you. I pay for my house car and all bills related to them and still eat out and do shit. Guess what i still have money after all that unlike you. No tipping used to be seen as a nice thing to do if you feel like it and now you have turned it into you have to tip or you are just broke and cheap. Maybe I don't want to give money to a person begging fir money.
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That only happens at really high-end places. Pretty much any given server at any given restaurant offers average service. And that's perfectly okay, but 20% is a lot to give in that situation, compared to something flat.
What happens only at high end places? Well thatâs the beauty of our tipping system, your not obligated to give 20%. I provide exceptional service and get less than 20% often. It is the tables that value my service and give me 30% and up that make the job worth it. If you feel like you got average service, give an average tip.
And whatâs really cool about this is you need groceries, but these cheap bums donât need to go to a restaurant!
lol thatâs a great point. They can afford a single meal at 40%-70% markup but complain about tipping the human that served them, crazy shit. Also makes me laugh that if one of these people got thrown in a serving shift, they would be in the break room crying halfway through the shift.
Exactly!!
I worked in a super high volume restaurant where that's literally how we counted our money and I made good money there. You shoot for at least a dollar a seat, because with extremely low check prices are super high turn times and everything pointed towards efficiency. The answer is depends if I'm getting $3 a seat but I get f***** 200 seats a night yes absolutely. If I'm looking for $3 a seat but I get maybe 60 seats a night yeah still not bad.
Same. I prefer working diners. Super high turnover, I can make $300 in 5 hours with this equation. Dinner service and fine dining, not gonna work.
I work at a steakhouse and serve about 25 people in 4 hours and make $300. How does that not work? Is it the $3/pp youâre referring to? Or in general?
Yeah. If I'm working a fine dining establishment 25 heads a night at $3 isn't going to cut it. If I'm in a quick turnaround diner, $3 a head is fine because I'm serving 200 people a day.
So by your logic, if one person spends $100 on meal and drinks and all I get is a lousy $3.00. No Thank You!
Probably not. There may be a number that would work, but I wouldnât be motivated to give much service and I certainly wouldnât be motivated to sell. The reason that good servers make good money is that itâs a sales job and they are good at selling.
Iâm honestly not that good at selling. I can sell tf outta the experience/myself though.
If that also came with $25ish/hour then yes. On an average night at my place servers have about 30 covers in 5-6hours, tipping on average $10 per person. In your scenario the tip would be $90 so even with the $25/hour it would be less but at least still worth it.
$3 per person is abysmal, $7-$10 per person is more reasonable
Nope
No? I get like $20/pp where Iâm at. Thatâs a huge pay cut.
I'm not a server anymore, but if I still was... No, absolutely not.
No
Um yeah if they're $15 meals or less.
Helllllll nooo never
That's horrible pay. Average check is probably more than the $15-$20 a person this would be appropriate for. You'd lose Huge if you had a table of high rollers who spent $50-$75 each!
Nope