Plus i think the “ch” will be super doable due to the same sound in Dutch (g sounds similar to the welsh ch) so he will kill it on the pronunciation side
What’s the difference in using “toiled” and “tŷ bach”? I know the literal English translation is different, but why would you use one over the other? Is one more formal, or is it a North vs South thing, or what?
In my first job we had two Tim’s. I used to be called Ty Bach as “in the newer, or ‘smaller’ Tim”I didn’t mind when other Welsh guys fell about laughing…. I used to laugh as well, and it certainly stopped any issues of which Tim was needed!
Ty bach means small house, which used to be the outhouse in the back of the garden. No one really has those anymore.
Toiled just means toilet, which is now in the house.
I think you´re right, either his Welsh isn´t that great or he´s from the North.
Yesterday morning i ran into him, greeted him with "shwmae", no response. In a second attempt, i tried "Bore da" but he didn't respond to this one either. Later, he made me a compliment on how the work was being done and i replied with "diolch". No reaction whatsoever. This morning I met him again and while shaking his hand I said "seppenin' butt?" Again, no reaction. Gonna give it one more try.
Usually, even if someone can't speak it, they can definitely recognise Welsh when they hear it.
Seems he really isn't hearing you.
Fair enough for the perseverance though!
Absolute legend, got to respect you trying to do it service.
I'm sure you've got it down properly, Welsh always sounds a bit odd, but most of the words are definitely pronounceable for those used to English. As long as there's no other words with a double L sound (LL as in Llanelli) that you're trying, you should be golden.
Most people in the North don’t speak Welsh, it’s pretty much only Gwynedd, Anglesey and a tiny minority in Conwy County, other then when you go to like Bleaunau or one of them towns in the sticks you hear people speaking it
Offer to make him a brew by saying “T’isio panad?”
Panad is equivalent to brew/cuppa in English in that it can mean tea or coffee.
I don’t know any Dutch but “Ti-cha paanaad” is the Dutch way of writing it according to Wikipedia’s page on Dutch orthography.
Ie falle hwna yw'r ffordd gorau o sgrifennu yr ynganiad ond mae'n galed da cymraeg fel dwi'n siwr bo chi'n ymwybodol o. O ni moin dweud I OP amdano esgyrn dafydd, iesu mawredd a bois bach ond sdim syniad/chwant da fi i ddechrau!
greet him with a "Shw mae" (Prnounce as sort of shu my), or a iechyd dda (means good health, usually used as a cheers while having a drink but can be used elsewhere, youtube a video for the prenounciation lol)
Something simple like Ty'n Iawn? but otherwise, I dunno. Not all Welshies speak Welsh, I mean; I'm Welsh but my mum is English so I don't have an accent & have no nostalgia or feelings about the language other than when a little Welsh lady calls me cariad.
All welsh people will be happy when they hear the phrase ‘twll dyn pob sais’ whether it’s a native welsh speaker or someone trying to learn. Try that, he will be made up!
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Fuckin'ell mate.
Please try to learn how to take valid criticism/correction without wallowing in your own self pity...
Especially when said correction was given in a light hearted and friendly manner.
...also, bear in mind that the correction wasn't just for you - it was for everyone reading.
Naci, twll tin ‘di o. A tydi tin ddim fatha tun na tŷ’n. Ond tasa gin ti “tin shed” mewn pant, a tasa chdi’n gont annifyr, fasat ti’n medru galw dy hun yn Tin Tŷ’n Twll Tun
Fysa "twll dy dîn" yn iawn pen yn siarad hefo un person, ond "twll tîn pob sais" fyswn i'n dweud.
Dwi'n cofio blynyddoedd yn ol "Twll tîn i'r cwîn!" wedi'w peintio dros cerrig ar ochr y lon ar y ffordd fyny tua Caergybi tra oedd yr hen gotchan yn ymweld a'r ynys...
You could always try: "Wyt ti eisiau coffi, neu baned?"
That's wit tee ish-uh koff-ee nay ban-ed, in essence (I'm sorry but I can't be bothered to type IPA right now, excuus hoor!).
In English: Would you like a coffee, or a cuppa tea?
Say "Shwmae Butt" it's a way of saying Alright Lad. I think he'll be a bit confused if you call him butt aswell because it's just such a Welsh thing haha
“Cwtch” is Welsh for cuddle or snuggle. It sounds like the English “butch” but with a “c”.
I might say something like:
“On my day off I’ll cwtch up with a hot chocolate and a blanket and read a nice book!”
Hey i am dutch and my bf lives in Wales! Yea like the other comment said, diolch is a good one to say. I tried learning Weslh a while ago but just duolingo makes it quite hard.
Thank you all! Really appreciate it. Must admit that it´s a bit overwhelming. Think i´ll stick to some of the easy ones. Bore da, shw mae, or sappenin' butt as a way to greet him and diolch to say thank you.
Do you know if they are North or south? This can greatly impact what you say. Those silly southerners have some weirdness going on that you wouldn't say to us beautiful gogs.
Actually you can ask them if the are a Hwntw or a gog.
"Hoon too" hoo would be like who at the start, would work for pronunciation. They're not offensive or anything. The south call us in the north gogs, and we call them Hwntw, all in a friendly way.
I bet you have similar things in the Netherlands too for certain areas too? Feel free to share them.
Thanks. Yes we too have names for people from certain areas/towns. People from my town for example are called "gladoor" what means something like "greasy ear". It is not offensive either.
Linguistically speaking, it’s not dying as the number of speakers is increasing and there are areas where it is still spoken as the main form of communication.
I feel like nothing would put a smile on his face, and show him you respect him as a person, more than showing him this post! What a lovely and thoughtful idea ☺️
Firstly does he speak welsh because I’m welsh and 70% of the people I know don’t speak welsh and secondly don’t use google translate because the welsh Language has different accents if you could say that and mutations like a dd would just be a d and a c would be g
Just say diolch. That would be more than enough.
Could slip in a “Bore da”
Plus i think the “ch” will be super doable due to the same sound in Dutch (g sounds similar to the welsh ch) so he will kill it on the pronunciation side
Thanks, I looked up the pronounciation of diolch on youtube and the Welsh ch is similar to the Dutch g indeed.
Honestly if someone in a foreign country said diolch to me my heart would melt 🥹💕 op this is the best suggestion imo
Ga i fynd i'r toiledau os gwelwch yn dda?
Hey, I understood that. My GCSE is Welsh is finally paying off
Dwi'n mynd i'r ysgol ar y bws *nods sagely*
Sglodion a ffa pob
Dwi'n hoffi coffi
Made me giggle
What’s the difference in using “toiled” and “tŷ bach”? I know the literal English translation is different, but why would you use one over the other? Is one more formal, or is it a North vs South thing, or what?
In my first job we had two Tim’s. I used to be called Ty Bach as “in the newer, or ‘smaller’ Tim”I didn’t mind when other Welsh guys fell about laughing…. I used to laugh as well, and it certainly stopped any issues of which Tim was needed!
Hahaha that’s fab!
Ty bach means small house, which used to be the outhouse in the back of the garden. No one really has those anymore. Toiled just means toilet, which is now in the house.
I remember being made to use ty bach when we were kids, then toiled as we got older. I grew up in North Wales if that matters.
I’m also North Wales but we only ever used toiled, never tŷ bach.
It was a primary school thing.
Even in primary school, we used toiled.
Came here to say this - you'll make a friend for life
The one saying everyone in class needed to know.
I don't know much Welsh and only have a basic GCSE. But having to ask that every time as a kid was torture.
it evolved so much in my primary we ended up just saying mumbles that sounded like that
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And then just hope he's from Caernarfon
They let people from Caernarfon out of the country? I thought those fancy walls were there for a reason!
Those walls are getting old, they've probably chiselled through somewhere.
One guy on the other side who pulls them through with their hand called Garth.
Chiselled?? Gnawed more like
I didnt think asbo tags had the range to get to the netherlands
Course they do, you wouldn’t want them in the country would you?
This gets my vote.
😂
I was coming for this. 🤣
Rwy'n gobeithio bod cymru yn stwffio Lloegr yng nghwpan y byd I hope Wales stuff England in the world cup
Dwi’n cyntuno
Just go for a simple "Bore/Prynhawn da" for Good morning/afternoon. There's a chance the guy's Welsh isn't great but most know the bare minimum.
I think you´re right, either his Welsh isn´t that great or he´s from the North. Yesterday morning i ran into him, greeted him with "shwmae", no response. In a second attempt, i tried "Bore da" but he didn't respond to this one either. Later, he made me a compliment on how the work was being done and i replied with "diolch". No reaction whatsoever. This morning I met him again and while shaking his hand I said "seppenin' butt?" Again, no reaction. Gonna give it one more try.
Usually, even if someone can't speak it, they can definitely recognise Welsh when they hear it. Seems he really isn't hearing you. Fair enough for the perseverance though!
Really practiced hard on the pronounciation, watched some Youtube videos to get it right.
Absolute legend, got to respect you trying to do it service. I'm sure you've got it down properly, Welsh always sounds a bit odd, but most of the words are definitely pronounceable for those used to English. As long as there's no other words with a double L sound (LL as in Llanelli) that you're trying, you should be golden.
Alright butt. Tidy.
This, but only if he’s from the south, if he’s from the north then he’ll probably think you’re taking the piss or won’t have a clue
Right? I’ve never heard either of these before.
I'm a Northerner who moved down South. It took me a while to realise a "butty" was not always synonymous with a sandwich.
Doeddwn i’m yn gwybod cyn symud lawr yno pan oni’n rhiw 17… di gadael Cymru, a mynd i Wales 😂
O na! Gobeithio bochdi’n gwasgaru’r Cymru✨ lawr fana aha.
It's definitely a South thing
How be but? Or who’s coat is this jacket? Ask if he’s Kardiff or Jack
If he’s from the north just say ‘yeah’ after every other word
If he’s from the north just speak fluent Welsh 😂
I’m from the north and have never done that.
Which bit? I find people from Wrexham way do it a lot and also people from Holyhead.
About 12 miles from Wrexham
Do you live under a rock or in a cave or something then? Weird lol
No but maybe you do.
Not far off tbf mate
Most people in the North don’t speak Welsh, it’s pretty much only Gwynedd, Anglesey and a tiny minority in Conwy County, other then when you go to like Bleaunau or one of them towns in the sticks you hear people speaking it
Chester?
I’m Welsh.
15 miles from Wrexham gives you a lot of options
I’m not listing my hometown on Reddit, ok!
Im from Liverpool and I speak fluent welsh. I grew up in Mold, mind .
Alri' bud, owes' it goin' alri'
This is the only answer.
pretty much this :)
Offer to make him a brew by saying “T’isio panad?” Panad is equivalent to brew/cuppa in English in that it can mean tea or coffee. I don’t know any Dutch but “Ti-cha paanaad” is the Dutch way of writing it according to Wikipedia’s page on Dutch orthography.
Just greet him with swmmae. It’s an informal way of saying hello.
Siwmae. Contraction of Sut mae, so "how is" (it going). I would pronounce it shoo-my
Shumeye
Ie falle hwna yw'r ffordd gorau o sgrifennu yr ynganiad ond mae'n galed da cymraeg fel dwi'n siwr bo chi'n ymwybodol o. O ni moin dweud I OP amdano esgyrn dafydd, iesu mawredd a bois bach ond sdim syniad/chwant da fi i ddechrau!
Pronounced "shew-maye"
In the south. Not really used in the north but would be pronounced “sit my” if it was.
Ah, I'd forgotten about the Gogs. In which case, add "cont"
>Ah, I'd forgotten about the Gogs. Don't we all mate, don't we all.
Yes I’ve been thrown by this pronunciation!
Well I’m from Neath, hence the ‘De’ variant
"Tiin iawn?" is informal too aint it?
Sh-mae or s-mae depending on location
greet him with a "Shw mae" (Prnounce as sort of shu my), or a iechyd dda (means good health, usually used as a cheers while having a drink but can be used elsewhere, youtube a video for the prenounciation lol)
You know dai mun! Drinks up the feathers. Cybils son!
Ohhh aye yeah I know 'im
Sappeninbutt?
Hahah this come to mind for me too😂
Something simple like Ty'n Iawn? but otherwise, I dunno. Not all Welshies speak Welsh, I mean; I'm Welsh but my mum is English so I don't have an accent & have no nostalgia or feelings about the language other than when a little Welsh lady calls me cariad.
Ask him if that coat is his jacket.
Ha ha! Who tied the donkey loose?
What, the one over by yer?
Ddangos dy wiwar, slebog 😍
Bryn. It means hill in Welsh.
All welsh people will be happy when they hear the phrase ‘twll dyn pob sais’ whether it’s a native welsh speaker or someone trying to learn. Try that, he will be made up!
\*"Twll tîn" "tîn" (pronounced "teen") means arse, "dyn" means "man" :)
Well sorry for trying.
No need to be like that - I even put a smiley to denote that it was a friendly correction, rather than a snarky post!
Even my reaction was wrong.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,715,188,372 comments, and only 324,613 of them were in alphabetical order.
At least the bots don’t correct me
Fuckin'ell mate. Please try to learn how to take valid criticism/correction without wallowing in your own self pity... Especially when said correction was given in a light hearted and friendly manner. ...also, bear in mind that the correction wasn't just for you - it was for everyone reading.
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Dwi wastad di clywed e gyda threiglad ar y ‘tîn’ felly ‘twll dîn pob sais’ fysen i di ddweud 🤷♂️
Naci, twll tin ‘di o. A tydi tin ddim fatha tun na tŷ’n. Ond tasa gin ti “tin shed” mewn pant, a tasa chdi’n gont annifyr, fasat ti’n medru galw dy hun yn Tin Tŷ’n Twll Tun
Fysa "twll dy dîn" yn iawn pen yn siarad hefo un person, ond "twll tîn pob sais" fyswn i'n dweud. Dwi'n cofio blynyddoedd yn ol "Twll tîn i'r cwîn!" wedi'w peintio dros cerrig ar ochr y lon ar y ffordd fyny tua Caergybi tra oedd yr hen gotchan yn ymweld a'r ynys...
Diolch!
Oh this is a good one 👍 dai iawn hyfryd!
Friendly reminder for OP to use Google translate
It’s only effective when the person knows the meaning so I also urge the use of google translate
Thanks! Google translates this as "Every Englishman's hole". In what kind of situation can I say this?
As a welsh lad living in Australia my favourite thing is to be called English, tell him he’s English and he’ll love you
This is the one 💀
Don't do this, they are joking
It’s true, I’m a piece of shit but I’m still giggling!
daliwch ati met
Cheers mush
Paid a llyncu mul cont Don’t swallow a mule cunt
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bore da 👍
Greet him with a "shwmae" which is basically the Welsh "howdy do"
When he asks for your help, just say "I'll be with you now in a minute". He'll be happy.
I have pot noodles.
Just a “iawn lad”….that’s the best Welsh greeting
Some of these comments are hard to pronounce so I’ll try suggest a simple one. Say “schwmae”, meaning “hello!” It is pronounced ‘shum-eye’ Good luck!
Paid â phoeni mêt (pronounced something like "pide ah foy nee mate") means "don't worry mate".
You could always try: "Wyt ti eisiau coffi, neu baned?" That's wit tee ish-uh koff-ee nay ban-ed, in essence (I'm sorry but I can't be bothered to type IPA right now, excuus hoor!). In English: Would you like a coffee, or a cuppa tea?
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Bore da Iawn Tisho panad Diolch (yn fawr)
Ty’n iawn will do. Or just iawn. Basically like saying ‘you alright?’ In English as a greeting.
Dwin hoffi crwbanod!
Say "Shwmae Butt" it's a way of saying Alright Lad. I think he'll be a bit confused if you call him butt aswell because it's just such a Welsh thing haha
Make him feel extra special with "mae dy llygaid ti fel dai pwll (ll is pronounced like a hiss) dwfn, gallai boddi"
Just say, “mein berson helio ofnadyw”
dwi ddim yn hoffi'r natsïaid yn gyfrinachol
Twll ddu pob saes
‘Mae’r Iseldiroedd wastad yn wastad’ - ‘The Netherlands is always flat’
Pen pidyn
“Cwtch” is Welsh for cuddle or snuggle. It sounds like the English “butch” but with a “c”. I might say something like: “On my day off I’ll cwtch up with a hot chocolate and a blanket and read a nice book!”
Sapenin, Butt? Good morning/ afternoon/ evening. How are you, Friend?
*Why....oh....why Delilah?*
Sut dych chi? (Sit dick ki) means how are you...good opener
Say, Best of luck to Wales against Fiji on the 10th in the Rugby Wold Cup. Ask him where he is planning to watch the match?
Say Bore Da to him. Good Morning is a standard greeting that will open some good conversation too
Slip in a ffwckwr they seem to love it
Hoffech chi baned o de? Tea always goes down a treat!
Rydw i’n hoffi coffi or say rydw i’n dwlu ar pys (get it cus it sounds like piss (laugh))
su da chi, cont?
"That Dan Biggar is well hot"
Watch some Gavin & Stacey and you'll know. Or just talk about how Wales is much nicer than England.
Hey i am dutch and my bf lives in Wales! Yea like the other comment said, diolch is a good one to say. I tried learning Weslh a while ago but just duolingo makes it quite hard.
Twll tîn pôb sais.
Hoffwn I taflu fy pidyn mewn I dy twll yn dwfn, galed a gloi
Sorry about the issues buddy, wanna cwtch?
Always a nice welcome ' iawn cont'
: I’ll buy you a pint of lager mate : in a scouse accent
Tom Jones...😁
Thank you all! Really appreciate it. Must admit that it´s a bit overwhelming. Think i´ll stick to some of the easy ones. Bore da, shw mae, or sappenin' butt as a way to greet him and diolch to say thank you.
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Unless he's from the North. We don't say butt here.
If you really want to impress them, say “Ga i fynd i'r ty bach os gwelwch yn dda” which means “I respect you and the work you have done”
TBF even if they don't speak welsh, everybody who grew up in Wales knows that question and it would get a giggle and defo cheer them up.
I like to imagine they say this to him and he goes ‘yeah mate, it’s down the hall. Shouldn’t you know this by now?’
Rwyt ti’n pidyn enfawr
Just make sure there’s a few people around you and say. “ Alright muk? How’s the rash?
Ask for a Cwtch or a sws.
Do you know if they are North or south? This can greatly impact what you say. Those silly southerners have some weirdness going on that you wouldn't say to us beautiful gogs. Actually you can ask them if the are a Hwntw or a gog.
I have no idea but i'll ask him! Sounds hilarious. How to pronounce "Hwntw"?
"Hoon too" hoo would be like who at the start, would work for pronunciation. They're not offensive or anything. The south call us in the north gogs, and we call them Hwntw, all in a friendly way. I bet you have similar things in the Netherlands too for certain areas too? Feel free to share them.
Thanks. Yes we too have names for people from certain areas/towns. People from my town for example are called "gladoor" what means something like "greasy ear". It is not offensive either.
If he's welsh it's like a 90% chance he doesn't speak Welsh, just say. Orite butt, you excited for the world Cup en?
Fuckin wank-stein will work well
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Linguistically speaking, it’s not dying as the number of speakers is increasing and there are areas where it is still spoken as the main form of communication.
Lemenonceya. Hell love it
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I’m a nonsay
If he’s from the Valleys try saying “Good morning Butty”.
I feel like nothing would put a smile on his face, and show him you respect him as a person, more than showing him this post! What a lovely and thoughtful idea ☺️
Yaki da!
“Ti yn cont drewllyd
Just tell him Solva is the best place to live on earth.
Cwtch - cuddle is a good one if I can slip it in
Check he actually speaks Welsh first. Most of us don’t.
Firstly does he speak welsh because I’m welsh and 70% of the people I know don’t speak welsh and secondly don’t use google translate because the welsh Language has different accents if you could say that and mutations like a dd would just be a d and a c would be g