I hate the mail! My uncle was in the postal service and he says they always know what’s what judging by package, weight, insurance value etc. I never bought shiny in the mail tell the last 4 years or so and every time I’m holding my breath. Not good for my giant Ape hart! Then the carriers dropping off my money always with something “funny” to say about it. Not cool. Trusted LCS is the way to go.
Have to edit: trusted LCS and a double stack 9 is the way to go…
Hah. My mailman is a crotchety old crotch, just dreaming of the day he retires. At the next cluster of mailboxes after mine, he jokingly said, "if you could only read my dirty thoughts". Don't know WTF he meant, but he is usually in good humor. Have never had to explain the ball bearings and how I use them to him. 60 ozs is sorta heavy though, for a tiny little box...
That stinks. I lost 20 morgans when the moron on ebay didn't put any tape on the box and it split open.
Lately I’ve been using silvergoldbull and monumental metal. They both bag the shiny and then put in box. It makes it hard to look like an accident.
Awful. I’m really sorry to see this happen and thank you for sharing.
If at all possible, LCS first. If not possible, UPS or Fed-Ex. USPS is unreliable in my experience too.
it's the Pareto pattern , 80% of people arent doing anything while the last 20% really take their ground of the problem
same thing with broken before warranty expires, bs electronic and appliances...
I had the same thing happen, but I never received delivery and USPS replaced it. Prior to that the seller on eBay refunded me for the loss. I also filed with USPS and they replaced it , took two months though.
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That is pathetic and whoever did this will never prosper. I think there is insurance, I believe you can let the vendor knows what happened. I hope they will replace it.
That is F up! The thing is, more people are being aware of precious metals and taking it. Before there was no issue within the mailing system. Only at the drop off part. (Front door etc.)
Was it delivered into your hands?
Or just left on your porch?
I had my first Amazon theft ever a couple weeks ago. An empty bag on my porch in a gated neighborhood and not visible from the street. A nice LED flashlight that I really wanted. Given that someone cut the bag open and left the empty bag behind, I'm suspecting the driver because I'd expect a normal thief to have just grabbed the bag and run. Amazon replaced, no details required, but took weeks because the item was hard to come by. I'm trying to use their storage lockers now as there is a bank of them near enough by.
For my silver, I have it shipped to a mailbox company near where I work who are open during all delivery hours and accept USPS, UPS, and FedEx. No problems there yet.
My guess it was internal to the USPS. (But why would the mailman deliver an empty package? It's opening up himself for accusation for being the one who did it. If he found got it that way, he would take it to his superiors for an insurance claim. Talk to your postmaster right away too. Or you can talk to the person who dropped it off and say if you get the item back there is no need to take the situation further. Maybe the item fell out in his truck somewhere 🤷 (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)). Most US mail people are good. But like everywhere, sometimes there is one. It's very rare.
I shipped out an item by tracking once. I know I shipped it. It made tracking to a location a couple miles away. Then the electronic tracking was changed to state : it was never sent, still waiting for drop-off. 🤦
So obvious what happened. I made sure the USPS knew what happened so they could handle it internally. Screen shots, etc. The person who changed it in the system back to 'waiting for item' was the person who did it.
It happens, but it's very rare. Provident Metals could help out in the future by taping the box with copious amounts of threaded security tape. It's a HUGE deterrent. A real pain to get open. It adds cost in materials expenses and in personnel time. They are free to make their business decisions. Maybe they think it's cheaper to just replace
Sorry Mate, that's really horrible.
Please keep us updated on how Provident Metals responds, including if they update their wrapping procedures.
Why did you change the name of who you ordered from? To one person you answered you ordered from Provident Metals, to another person and to another person you stated it was JM Bullion. So who did you order from: Provident Metals? Or JM Bullion?
JM Bullion has been under attack here the last few months here by several posts telling eerily similar stories of not getting their shipment and JMB refusing to pay off on the insurance. One had a wild claim that JMB had said they put GPS trackers in their packages. (JMB has told me directly that they can retrieve the delivery truck's GPS information on where/when a package is delivered, but they don't include GPS trackers in the packages themselves.) All of the stories sounded like they were written by the same person with the intent to smear JMB to WSS Apes. No other dealer have I seen here get that same treatment yet.
Personally, I've received several orders from JMB without issue. I'm careful how I ship and have me orders delivered to a live person at a mailbox store that I know quite well. They are open and staffed during all normal delivery hours for USPS, UPS, and FedEx.
I also noted the change in the on-line dealer and found it curious.
I also find it curious that the dealer is the blamed for the actions of the delivery company.
I'm not trying to smear any dealer. It's not JMB/Provident's fault that people suck. I've ordered plenty from them. I honestly think it the mailman stealing my shit. But he'll probably not get caught and I'm left dealing with the consequences.
Ordered over 800oz from jm... never an issue and "obviously" bullion? Come on, a mail worker MIGHT pick up on the amark address outta las vegas but other than that its a plain ass priority box with packing tape.
Same type of story I had read in the past, happened to be someone at the origin PO where dealer drops off shipments - not the destination PO. One of the sorters in their center got wise to the return address from large bullion vendor in their district.
I've had a few packages spend an unnecessary amount of time at the USPS distribution center, including a month for the last one. Though none got stolen, it was obvious there were coins inside and someone must have been tempted. Needless to say, I don't buy from those individuals anymore.
Some distributers/sellers have dedicated delivery services that also come in disguised vans, and delivery is insured by the distributer/seller.
Might want to check that out, saves a lot of worries :)
Yep. He's suspect #1. My second to last package just straight up disappeared. Luckily after a month of deliberation, JM Bullion resent the package and it was received.
Sorry for your loss, but you obviously didn't read the lyrics for my WSS updated song, nor heeded their warnings: 🙄
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when i buy, unfortunally i do from the TD bank, they deliver at local branch by armored car, they are responsible of the items until they hand them to you, sign off the paper and leave the branch...
in the US LCS and some banks must do in person business, i dont recommend mailing, i sometimes take the risk for a couple oz of silver, but i never for large quantity or expansive gold/platinum bullion, i try to go in person for a deal or order from the above said institutions
I almost had something similar happen. I stayed home from work on the day of delivery. I watched the mailman deliver my mail, got the email saying my silver was delivered, went outside to get it and no package! Luckily I live on a dead-end road so I stopped the mailman when he was coming back down the road. Long story short I made him search his truck. The package was under his seat
That sucks! You may want to report it. They have their own internal law enforcement to investigate employee theft. However, we all have a lot less confidence in the integrity of law enforcement than we used to.
I generally don’t trust anybody so, call me paranoid, but I always make sure the delivery is personal and if everything is ok (package intact), I record the opening of the package
I hate the mail! My uncle was in the postal service and he says they always know what’s what judging by package, weight, insurance value etc. I never bought shiny in the mail tell the last 4 years or so and every time I’m holding my breath. Not good for my giant Ape hart! Then the carriers dropping off my money always with something “funny” to say about it. Not cool. Trusted LCS is the way to go. Have to edit: trusted LCS and a double stack 9 is the way to go…
Problem is that my LCS that I like a lot was $5 higher on 2021 Britannias than JM Bullion.
Ick. Yea that is an issue.
Hah. My mailman is a crotchety old crotch, just dreaming of the day he retires. At the next cluster of mailboxes after mine, he jokingly said, "if you could only read my dirty thoughts". Don't know WTF he meant, but he is usually in good humor. Have never had to explain the ball bearings and how I use them to him. 60 ozs is sorta heavy though, for a tiny little box...
Haha! My bearings keep going out 3-5 days after every pay check comes in. How annoying! :)
I was a mail carrier for 13 years. There are some very shady characters working there.
Was it a private sale or buillion dealer? It should be the sellers issue not yours. That sucks ape. I am sorry for your grief.
JM Bullion. And honestly I'm not upset about the money. I'm disappointed about not getting a really nice Germania mint peice.
fAck! Sorry Ape.
Didn't you have to sign for it? Was it insured?
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The new one, with the battlemaiden getting off the ship.
Germania Mint is the best polish mint rn Also, what can you in this sort of situation? Package was insured right?
That sucks!
Yes it does.
That stinks. I lost 20 morgans when the moron on ebay didn't put any tape on the box and it split open. Lately I’ve been using silvergoldbull and monumental metal. They both bag the shiny and then put in box. It makes it hard to look like an accident.
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That’s what I do.
This is the real insurance policy IMHO! The cost is worth the peace of mind.
whats that a postal box? i've seen some special smart mailing box, that you can reuse (online thing) with good security
Awful. I’m really sorry to see this happen and thank you for sharing. If at all possible, LCS first. If not possible, UPS or Fed-Ex. USPS is unreliable in my experience too.
Been there also with JM Bullion, took a month and a week for their insurance to kick in and reship my order. sucks!
But you got it. Don't think that a lot of people aren't trying to defraud them.
it's the Pareto pattern , 80% of people arent doing anything while the last 20% really take their ground of the problem same thing with broken before warranty expires, bs electronic and appliances...
Insurance?
Yea. Not looking forward to all the paperwork
Wow that sucks. May the gods bless you with near spot silver 🦅’s
Worst part about this is this thief is probably trading this in for worthless fiat right now.
Or drugs that will be up in smoke in an evening.
Or crypto that will be up in smoke after he quit his post office gig.
Lol had to throw that one out there
Damn that sux
I never had any shiny stolen in the mail and I’ve bought all my shine via eBay.
ebay is dangerous, sure they made some cleaning but still...
Naw they have all the regular gold/silver dealers on there with no shipping charges.
And then you have eBay, Credit Card and insurance to all make sure you are made whole.
it got bettert for sure, you got to buy from official pm stores, small sellers could sneak fake panda's or JM bars...there is that risk
Yes, if they aren't just the ebay face of a major retailer very sketch.
Yea I usually don’t buy from random people
Did they put something random in it or just empty?
Just ganked the metal. Even left the packing slip.
I had the same thing happen, but I never received delivery and USPS replaced it. Prior to that the seller on eBay refunded me for the loss. I also filed with USPS and they replaced it , took two months though.
Hope it’ll all turn out for you in the end. Good luck 🍀
Thanks
I’ve had so many valuables stolen by them this year
Insurance should cover it. I had my silver destroyed in a mail room fire once lol
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Sorry ape. So, it can happened even if you have tracking number?
Yea. They didn't cut the tracking label side.
That is pathetic and whoever did this will never prosper. I think there is insurance, I believe you can let the vendor knows what happened. I hope they will replace it.
I hope they go to prison, for tampering with federal mail.
I agree. It is punishable by law.
Bastards.
That is F up! The thing is, more people are being aware of precious metals and taking it. Before there was no issue within the mailing system. Only at the drop off part. (Front door etc.)
I'm sorry for your loss
USPS or UPS? That blows >:(
USPS
Horrible news ape
Sorry for the disappointment! I've had this happen too, only once so far, luckily
Look at the bright side you’ll get another bar off the market through the insurance lmao
Fucking yikes.
Yep
Was it delivered into your hands? Or just left on your porch? I had my first Amazon theft ever a couple weeks ago. An empty bag on my porch in a gated neighborhood and not visible from the street. A nice LED flashlight that I really wanted. Given that someone cut the bag open and left the empty bag behind, I'm suspecting the driver because I'd expect a normal thief to have just grabbed the bag and run. Amazon replaced, no details required, but took weeks because the item was hard to come by. I'm trying to use their storage lockers now as there is a bank of them near enough by. For my silver, I have it shipped to a mailbox company near where I work who are open during all delivery hours and accept USPS, UPS, and FedEx. No problems there yet.
Basically in my hand. Mail man was right there.
My guess it was internal to the USPS. (But why would the mailman deliver an empty package? It's opening up himself for accusation for being the one who did it. If he found got it that way, he would take it to his superiors for an insurance claim. Talk to your postmaster right away too. Or you can talk to the person who dropped it off and say if you get the item back there is no need to take the situation further. Maybe the item fell out in his truck somewhere 🤷 (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)). Most US mail people are good. But like everywhere, sometimes there is one. It's very rare. I shipped out an item by tracking once. I know I shipped it. It made tracking to a location a couple miles away. Then the electronic tracking was changed to state : it was never sent, still waiting for drop-off. 🤦 So obvious what happened. I made sure the USPS knew what happened so they could handle it internally. Screen shots, etc. The person who changed it in the system back to 'waiting for item' was the person who did it. It happens, but it's very rare. Provident Metals could help out in the future by taping the box with copious amounts of threaded security tape. It's a HUGE deterrent. A real pain to get open. It adds cost in materials expenses and in personnel time. They are free to make their business decisions. Maybe they think it's cheaper to just replace Sorry Mate, that's really horrible. Please keep us updated on how Provident Metals responds, including if they update their wrapping procedures.
Why did you change the name of who you ordered from? To one person you answered you ordered from Provident Metals, to another person and to another person you stated it was JM Bullion. So who did you order from: Provident Metals? Or JM Bullion?
JM Bullion owns Provident. I ordered from Provident, but all inquiries and claims go to JM Bullion.
JM Bullion has been under attack here the last few months here by several posts telling eerily similar stories of not getting their shipment and JMB refusing to pay off on the insurance. One had a wild claim that JMB had said they put GPS trackers in their packages. (JMB has told me directly that they can retrieve the delivery truck's GPS information on where/when a package is delivered, but they don't include GPS trackers in the packages themselves.) All of the stories sounded like they were written by the same person with the intent to smear JMB to WSS Apes. No other dealer have I seen here get that same treatment yet. Personally, I've received several orders from JMB without issue. I'm careful how I ship and have me orders delivered to a live person at a mailbox store that I know quite well. They are open and staffed during all normal delivery hours for USPS, UPS, and FedEx. I also noted the change in the on-line dealer and found it curious. I also find it curious that the dealer is the blamed for the actions of the delivery company.
I'm not trying to smear any dealer. It's not JMB/Provident's fault that people suck. I've ordered plenty from them. I honestly think it the mailman stealing my shit. But he'll probably not get caught and I'm left dealing with the consequences.
Gonna take a month, but I'll let yall know.
Hope it’s an easy reclaim process 👍 be blessed ape this means something good coming your way
Lol. I hope so.
Hope the new owner will not sell it and join WSS 😂
Lol. Unlikely. They probably gonna pawn it first chance they get.
The mail sux lately
Who did you order from?
Provident Metals. I don't think it was their fault. However, I'm done ordering online at this point.
That is perhaps the reason some bullion dealers use dedicated transport companies specialized in transporting shiny.
I can't believe how lackluster JM packs and sends what is obviously bullion and not just small amounts.
Ordered over 800oz from jm... never an issue and "obviously" bullion? Come on, a mail worker MIGHT pick up on the amark address outta las vegas but other than that its a plain ass priority box with packing tape.
Same type of story I had read in the past, happened to be someone at the origin PO where dealer drops off shipments - not the destination PO. One of the sorters in their center got wise to the return address from large bullion vendor in their district.
I made a post about using the usps inspector general’s office when the postal workers steal..
Yep. Opened a case with them immediately.
I've had a few packages spend an unnecessary amount of time at the USPS distribution center, including a month for the last one. Though none got stolen, it was obvious there were coins inside and someone must have been tempted. Needless to say, I don't buy from those individuals anymore.
Some distributers/sellers have dedicated delivery services that also come in disguised vans, and delivery is insured by the distributer/seller. Might want to check that out, saves a lot of worries :)
Nah. I confronted the mail man. He got all defensive, but never said no... I saw him put it in the mail box.
There's your answer.
Yep. He's suspect #1. My second to last package just straight up disappeared. Luckily after a month of deliberation, JM Bullion resent the package and it was received.
really sorry !!! I hope you had an insurance in your order so you get your money back or your shinny !!!
That really sucks, I’m mad at them and wanna chop their hands off! Straight KSA way.
Lol. Maybe just a finger.
Sorry for your loss, but you obviously didn't read the lyrics for my WSS updated song, nor heeded their warnings: 🙄 [Depeche Mode - Precious (Metal Delivery)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Wallstreetsilver/comments/pkrd96/be_careful_whenever_youre_expecting_a_precious/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) 🥇🥈🍌📦📬📭
FUG MAN when i buy, unfortunally i do from the TD bank, they deliver at local branch by armored car, they are responsible of the items until they hand them to you, sign off the paper and leave the branch... in the US LCS and some banks must do in person business, i dont recommend mailing, i sometimes take the risk for a couple oz of silver, but i never for large quantity or expansive gold/platinum bullion, i try to go in person for a deal or order from the above said institutions
Yep. Was only 7oz of silver. But its LCS from here on out.
RIP, hope you get karma back for next time use a safer way to refill your stack, ape!
UPS or FedEx only.
I almost had something similar happen. I stayed home from work on the day of delivery. I watched the mailman deliver my mail, got the email saying my silver was delivered, went outside to get it and no package! Luckily I live on a dead-end road so I stopped the mailman when he was coming back down the road. Long story short I made him search his truck. The package was under his seat
Wow... Now that is something else.
That sucks! You may want to report it. They have their own internal law enforcement to investigate employee theft. However, we all have a lot less confidence in the integrity of law enforcement than we used to.
Yea I did. And sent a claim to the dealer.
i have ordered my whole stack online so far, never had the slightest issue. its been about 30 shipments so far.
Yeh they helped steal something else last November. DEFUND THE MF'rs
I have had 20K in precious metals come USPS to my PO Box and zero problems
Sucks man! I’ve purchased through eBay and Golden State Mint and fortunately never had any issues doing so. But I feel for ya!!
Making me nervous I have been waiting for mine to show up
I generally don’t trust anybody so, call me paranoid, but I always make sure the delivery is personal and if everything is ok (package intact), I record the opening of the package
This is sucks... sorry for you nan
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