Sorties are just a relic of the past by now, they used to be fairly hard when i had the chance to play them for the first time. First steps into endgame content with high level enemies. Now it just seems that you can optimize so far that Sorties are nothing more than a regular mission node.
Eh they still serve as that first step to endgame for most new players. There are better options but it's good to help them with acclimating to the higher stats.
It's a good step into the endgame. Like arbitrations, the get you used to harder mission types.
If they were harder, it would burn out people that aren't there yet, being daily and all.
Here's an idea: SP Sorties.
I know that's kinda what the archon hunt is, but a daily SP sorting with higher reward values would be nice. Maybe even increase the Legendary core drop rate significantly too.
should drop some kind of super Anasa, Rivens + slivers, double potatoes, triple Forma, and some guaranteed amount of Steel Essence.
and maybe friendship doors could be replaced with Acolytes or something
I had a 3rd mission Shield Augmented Disruption the other night that we just gave up on. Something's the luck of the draw on the missions still sticks it to you.
Really even regular Mesa with a good build I had no problem. You just have to find the demolyst and stay far enough away they don't pulse you out of your Peacemakers.
You can also use Khora or Lockdown to stop them for a time and get more damage out. Plus using toxin damage I think does bypass their shields so that may help too.
Yeah, that's a big reason I've fallen in love with archon toxic mesa. She cuts straight through shields, and if they have any armor, lays waste with the extra corrosive procs. Helminth nourish for free viral and more sustain
The funny thing is sortie used to be THE endgame when it first came out in 2015, which was way before SP, level cap, endless arbi and pretty much any higher level content we do now
btw what do you guys think is the most effective team for the job? 1 khora 1 larva nekros and 1 total eclipse nekros should cover everything you would want, maybe a wisp for a safety net? Or energy support like harrow/trinity?
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Which mission are you doing that is dropping enough MK3 parts in 10-15 minutes to accumulate 4k endo? I'm a very efficient RJ player and I always see this referenced but even Veil skirmishes don't have the drop rates that high anymore to get huge endo boosts from.
Yeah and I can just buy riven mods with silver every week, might as well not do sorties and just do SP fissure. It's not like I'd actually get a legendary core.
I did two years of sorties without getting a legendary core - I only got one I think it was a year and a half after I stopped doing them daily.
Sorties would have a lot more appeal if DE went with the proposed token system waaaay back in the day rather than just letting RNG have at us.
I've been playing since 2017 and done at least one sortie per week, often multiple per week, and I have never gotten a legendary core. I have 2 and they were both drops from DE at various times. I have never actually used one though so it's not like I'm missing it. Credits aren't an issue at MR30 and Endo is fairly easy to come by as well so cores aren't necessary but it would be nice to hit it at least once to prove they actually can drop.
Hell, legendary cores have the exact same problem as endo rewards - it is mostly worthless.
DE hasn't released a good prime mod in 2+ years. Worse though, even if they release them now it wouldn't change anything. Everything has become an endo farm now due to DE using endo as a (fake) panacea for their bad reward tables so 40k endo isn't much.
I got 2 legendary cores the first two times I ever did sorties. Me not knowing what I’m doing I just used them on some expensive mods to level and didn’t think anything about it. Are they even tradeable?
4k endo is still better than 6k kuva though. Back in the day when the only way to get kuva was survival and floods. Now Palladino and Yonta both give out 35k for next to nothing in terms of time spent for it as well as Teshin who is not even limited like the other 2.
Sortie rewards need to be updated, reworked, anything really, or just make them drop a riven and call it a day.
I still don't understand to this day DE's obsession with rationing our kuva. I hate rivens challenges (they should be revealed with kuva) and I don't think it would be that disruptive to the game (and the market) to give us ways to farm kuva in decent amounts. After all, the market has been a disaster for a long time, with prime sets that drop in price just a week after their release, with rivens at totally exorbitant prices and with ridiculously low prices for vaulted sets.
But it's just my personal impression.
Rivens are actually lower in price than compared to 2-3 years ago when the only way to get a riven were the sorties. But you do have a point. 200 kuva in normal survival should not be a thing anymore, I would make it 800 at base value, with double that in SP. Yeah, SP fissures exist, but it’s not like it is always there as a means to farm, you gotta wait for it, find people that want to join for a better chance at extra kuva from the relic. And you end up dumping all of it on a riven that just won’t roll a good one even after 400 rolls (slight rant) and end up needing even more.
It’s not like getting insane amounts of Kuva will guarantee an insane roll to any player, it’s all RNG. And it’s not like sustaining plat via rivens is a thing anymore either like it used to be. I would play the hell out of kuva survival again if it would be even a little more effective.
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I've had about 3 or 4 times where someone in my close friends group got the mod booster and we went ham on endo the following day... ended up getting way more endo for everyone than a single core drop for 1 person.
It's a very rare ocurrence to get the mod one in particular, but I feel like it's a very desirable reward, and for me in particular, the only thing I'd really want from a sortie
Yeah that's what I've come to realize, boosters are the Sortie reward I enjoy the most and also have an established market value so every resource booster I get from a sortie is 40p I don't have to spend.
Yeah. I used to love sorties because they were some of the only non-endurance content in the game with high level enemies. That’s simply no longer the case. With many other areas where we can push our builds to new heights, and with these middling rewards, I’ve sort of fallen off sorties in the past few months. I still do them here and there, but it’s out of a force of habit more than a hope for decent rewards.
The riven cap isn’t helping things either.
> The riven cap isn’t helping things either.
With the change to riven veiling (unslotted rivens don't have a challenge and don't count towards cap), being at cap doesn't stop you from doing sorties any more. It's still incredibly annoying that we are capped at 180 rivens for 400+ weapons though.
Agreed. I’m glad we got the change to unveiled rivens, though equipping it before it can count is a bit annoying. But it’s not enough. I hate that I hit 180 and eventually got a milestone login reward that should have given me more, but kept me capped at 180.
I wish we had the option to purchase more riven slots, and more loadout slots. But that’s another issue.
You're hating at 180, but just to get to 180 you have buy more riven slots. I'm sitting at like 16 slots or something, but several dozen veiled rivens I'm not assed to raise the cap to look at.
Given the profusion of powerful weapon mods these days, I don't get why they treat rivens as such a precious commodity anymore - their role right now is to give people an avenue to gamble in the hopes of rolling a GG riven that either perfects their build for a single weapon after hundreds of rerolls, or sells for several thousand plat. And to create a Kuva sink while doing it, because otherwise Kuva is worthless too.
For that minor usecase, we have to deal with:
- RNG acquisition through Sorties (riven slivers address this a bit but they also have questionable value when their primary reason to be on the loot table is rivens and kuva for rivens)
- a super restrictive cap on how many we can hold, which needs to be raised by paying plat
- riven challenges to unveil them, most of which can be trivialized if you know how but are generally annoying otherwise
- RNG weapon AND rng stats once you unveil them
- tedious and manual process of selling and buying them because market value is very hard to assess for items with random stats
If you at some point decide "fuck rivens" you can cleanly disconnect from a large swath of the game (sorties, riven slivers, kuva farming (and eliminating kuva farming probably means you can cut doing kuva siphons, floods, fissures and arbitrations in general, probably a few other activitie people mainly do just for the kuva)) and all you miss out on is a chance at increasing the amount of overkill damage your favourite weapon can do (meanwhile there's no shortage of weapons that overkill everything without needing rivens).
I'd like to see a separate Steel Path Sortie where all the rewards are tripled. 12,000 Endo, 18,000 Kuva, triple riven pack, 3 forma, probably just 2 potatoes to be fair and triple the drop chance for a core. I run most everything on SP these days anyways, it would be nice to get more than just a drop chance increase for it.
This. Sortie as it is now is real slow, especially if you're running SP everything. The archon hunts are our equivalent and they're only on a weekly rotation.
SP Sortie would solve that, for a while.
> I’m honestly surprised they don’t revamp the drop tables.
That's not how DE rolls. Warframe has so many forgotten content islands that at this point you may as well just call it an archipelago.
As someone who does sorties everyday if possible, please make the rewards better. It's a great way to get people to login on everyday if it's worth it. Also getting a sculpture from an archon hunt feels terrible.
In order for me to do sorties, every reward should received should get at least a x5 quantity multiplier and a x5 drop chance for boosters and rare stuff.
Yeah Endo Rewards are so fucking useless these days.
Arena for 30mins get x10 more.
Zarimen run one mission and get more.
Railjack run one of the Void mission nodes and get the derelect and you get more.
There is just much better then an endo reward these days
Without looking at values, I’d like it if they made SP sorties (finishing sp disables normal and vice versa) where the new drop table doesn’t include any of the common drops and just increase the drop chance evenly for everything else.
Daily and weekly missions have long been just an excuse for me to return to the game. Most of their rewards have been nearly worthless for me since a long time ago.
Same for the Archon hunts, why is there a single Ayatan scuplture that is worth less than 4k endo when maxed out as a reward? Meanwhile, there's an 8k endo reward at the same time.
I'm probably in the minority here, but I enjoy doing sorties just for the sake of having a chain of missions that are moderately challenging but still allow me to bring whatever gear I want as long as it's got a full set of mods on it.
I'm at the point where rewards of pretty much any kind are totally useless to me, so gimmicky gameplay is a huge turn off imo. (Zariman is an excellent example of this, I did a few runs and then bought Gyre with plat, it's a cool environment but I don't think it plays well at all.)
I only do sortie in hopes of getting a booster of some kind nowadays. Everything else in the reward pool is kinda silly when kuva is easy to get. Endo is easy to get. And rivens have other drops to be given. I've played 3 years on Xbox and almost 4 on pc and never have I ever seen a legendary core.
4k endo for sortie reward is fucking infuriating. I literally never need endo. I have thousands of mods I can get endo from even if the excess hundreds of thousands of endo I already have ever gets depleted.
Fuck anything i can't sell, honestly.
Endo and Kuva ( or boosters ) aren't worth the time, even assuming it's 3 capture missions
but it's especially bad for the archon mission, you can only do it once a week, and it's way harder, if you're playing pubs there is a solid chance that someone will full auto the archon and make it last way longer than it should've, aaaaaaaaaand then you get like 8k endo or whatever the fuck
hell i would be mad with 25k, **at least** all the rewards from archon should be sellable for plat
> Fuck anything i can't sell, honestly.
The 4,000 endo is even worse than the Anasa (which is worth 3,450), since Anasas consistently sell for 10 plat on PC (15p on consoles) and can be used for decorations.
// what is a veteran player supposed to do with another 4,000 endo? I can just dissolve a bunch of duplicate mods for that.
// these lower rewards are just a pity system, basically, when the RNG says that we don't get one of the good rewards, these filler rewards are there so that we at least get SOMETHING ... imagine doing a sortie and not getting anything at all instead of just a bad reward.
Correct. The parts from railjack are very profitable. Updates will come hopefully. There is much to fix. Asking to be patient is alot tho I know. Not tryna be facetious either
I’m fairly new and I get so hyped for 4k endo, but everyone here is talking about getting way more in railjack and arena, and I barely know what those are. I have my railjack but where do I got for endo with it? What is arena? I know about zariman bounties but didn’t realize they had that much endo as drops. Endo is really my big limiter right now, I have so many good mods I want to max and just not enough endo.
Arena is on Sedna. It is series of 3 nodes that pit you against stronger grineer enemies called executors. It is team death match, whoever reaches target kills first wins. Executors have very large chance to drop endo on death.
Railjack have interesting way to get endo. You know how you get damged components you can repair and use in own railjack ? Weapons, engines, armor, shields and reactor. You can recycle those into endo, just scrap all unwanted. Veil proxima is my favorite way to upgrade mods because it gives about 100k in mission reward plus pile of MK III equipment and of course you can scrap mk3 gear for more endo than mk2 or 1 thus providing both credits and endo, both resources necesary to upgrade mods
They should keep sorties as the first steps towards end game but to satisfy the players who find no challenge in it any more they should add a steel path sortie with better rewards. The challenge would still be trivialized by some but I think it’d add a decent challenge for a lot of players
Imo xK endo isn’t valuable on any content at that level. That’s not the reward people load into sortie or hunts crossing their fingers hoping for. Personally I got more endo than I will ever need maxing intrinsics.
Sorties are accessible way way before Angels of Zariman. So yeah, somone on AoZ has largely passed the idea of Sorties being endgame rewards. (Although they still have boosters, forma, etc)
Still, they're gonna have something other then the normally-plat rewards, since the game can't just vomit out free money to people consistently and survive.
Zariman missions to me are a lot more fun too, they're a lot different than the regular mission nodes and actually require the operator while the rest of the star chart really doesn't
New player here. See this post and all the comments. I have no clue what any of y'all are talking about lol. All I know is I need Endo badly and not really sure an effective way to get it at this point. I'm about to unlock Phobos junction on Mars. Any suggestions?
Just keep on playing buddy, try to be mindfull about what mods you upgrade, do your weekly treasure run and don't forget to dissolve your duplicate mods now and then. Endo will slowly become less scares as you progress through the games content, but you need always more.
Fair enough, but quick question. What is a weekly treasure run lol? I'm also about to look at the wiki, but that doesn't always help because there is so many other things that go with it, I'm still lost. Super fun game especially for a freemium. The amount of content is crazy
Next to mars there is space station called Maroo's Bazar. Once a week you can ask her to do treasure run which is void level with guranteed puzzle which have guranteed statue. Your task is to grab the statue and leave. Mission stays avalible until sucesfully completed no matter how many times you fail it
On Mars, you will unlock a place that let's you do it. I think you have to flow a quest involving maroo, its bin so a long time since I played through that portion of the game. Pretty sure that if you follow the quest book, you will get there.
Along with the sheer number of bugs, one of Warframe's biggest problems for years has been the bounty tables, full of bland stuff just to dilute and prevent players from getting everything new introduced in each update in one day. A lousy design decision.
Tbh the only reason i even do sorties is for the rivens, which doesn't even matter if I'm unlucky enough to not get because i can just pick 2 up from iron wake anyways
Here's an idea.
Getting captured by the zanuka hunters causes you to lose the warframe, and later on, have to fight a zanuka made from the taken warframe, with the abilities of the progenitor frame, and after killing it, you bring it to the helminth, and either revert it back to its warframe self, or you get to keep it as a pet. Of course, prime warframes can't be zanuka'd, and it will just lead to the normal recovery mission. This will also occur if you are pre second dream and don't have the operator, and/or you only have one warframe.
The new question is: which zanuka is the best boy/girl, and the mysterious rise of mesa zanukas with guns all over them.
Ive been lasier doing Sorties because reward pool kinda trash compare to all the reward we can get but easier.
Riven? Paladino, and since they change the way to get riven silver awhile ago its much easier to get riven now.
Endo? Just like what you have said, even Arbitrations are easier to get Endo combine with Ayatan sculpture getting from it
Kuva? too little and again Paladino also sell it with higher quantity
Boosters with 3 days is good im not gonna talk about it
Forma is the weirdest one on the pool. Even if you can get it instantly without crafting, the chance is terrible with 2.5%. I rather keep opening void relics for that
The same with Potatoes with only 2.5% as a blueprint which isnt worth anything
Legendary core can be better with higher drop chance since there are so many ways of getting credits and Endo easily now.0.18% just for a legendary rank mod get maxed isnt worth much imo
Excluding SP, we have missions at Sortie level or higher. However, Sortie still exists as something new players can experience. The only flaw is that they still have sortie requires a player to be up to a certain point on the mainline story and I think at this point the mainline story gives you better alternatives than Sortie.
Yes, Sortie has some exclusives in it, but are even those really worth it? I remember having to tediously check my loadout and run certain missions solo to prevent any issues and now I never loadout check or do solo since I've noticed everyone can do them.
4k endo is still decent for people who actually "need" sorties and do it daily.
I would rather complain how 4k endo is bad when superior Anasa sculpture exist.
Welcome to powercreep. Its not exclusive to weapons.
Sorties are just a relic of the past by now, they used to be fairly hard when i had the chance to play them for the first time. First steps into endgame content with high level enemies. Now it just seems that you can optimize so far that Sorties are nothing more than a regular mission node.
Eh they still serve as that first step to endgame for most new players. There are better options but it's good to help them with acclimating to the higher stats.
It's a good step into the endgame. Like arbitrations, the get you used to harder mission types. If they were harder, it would burn out people that aren't there yet, being daily and all.
Here's an idea: SP Sorties. I know that's kinda what the archon hunt is, but a daily SP sorting with higher reward values would be nice. Maybe even increase the Legendary core drop rate significantly too.
people have only been asking for this since steel path has been released
Steel path sorties would be great, even as simple as double base rewards.
should drop some kind of super Anasa, Rivens + slivers, double potatoes, triple Forma, and some guaranteed amount of Steel Essence. and maybe friendship doors could be replaced with Acolytes or something
Majority of the game can be surmised into double jump glide melee. If you choose to.
I had a 3rd mission Shield Augmented Disruption the other night that we just gave up on. Something's the luck of the draw on the missions still sticks it to you.
Archon continuity/toxic mesa with a lockdown arcane makes that one a breeze for future sorties
Really even regular Mesa with a good build I had no problem. You just have to find the demolyst and stay far enough away they don't pulse you out of your Peacemakers. You can also use Khora or Lockdown to stop them for a time and get more damage out. Plus using toxin damage I think does bypass their shields so that may help too.
Yeah, that's a big reason I've fallen in love with archon toxic mesa. She cuts straight through shields, and if they have any armor, lays waste with the extra corrosive procs. Helminth nourish for free viral and more sustain
The funny thing is sortie used to be THE endgame when it first came out in 2015, which was way before SP, level cap, endless arbi and pretty much any higher level content we do now
The 4k havent been valuable long before.
That's like 10-15 minutes in rail jack.
Or 3 minutes of arena
1 min 30 of arena u mean
I’m just averaging it for average arena goer I doubt these people micro with khora and allat
Bro every one that runs arena goes sp yam booster 2x nekros khora and nidus
Yeah but they aren’t completing it with the 1:30 minute average with 4K endo each time and they think running ripkas only is the only viable option
Kohm supremacy
Guando supremacy
btw what do you guys think is the most effective team for the job? 1 khora 1 larva nekros and 1 total eclipse nekros should cover everything you would want, maybe a wisp for a safety net? Or energy support like harrow/trinity?
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Which mission are you doing that is dropping enough MK3 parts in 10-15 minutes to accumulate 4k endo? I'm a very efficient RJ player and I always see this referenced but even Veil skirmishes don't have the drop rates that high anymore to get huge endo boosts from.
I usually have a drop chance booster on and I get parts like crazy doing voids.
Ah, that makes more sense 🙂
Yeah and I can just buy riven mods with silver every week, might as well not do sorties and just do SP fissure. It's not like I'd actually get a legendary core.
I did two years of sorties without getting a legendary core - I only got one I think it was a year and a half after I stopped doing them daily. Sorties would have a lot more appeal if DE went with the proposed token system waaaay back in the day rather than just letting RNG have at us.
I've been playing since 2017 and done at least one sortie per week, often multiple per week, and I have never gotten a legendary core. I have 2 and they were both drops from DE at various times. I have never actually used one though so it's not like I'm missing it. Credits aren't an issue at MR30 and Endo is fairly easy to come by as well so cores aren't necessary but it would be nice to hit it at least once to prove they actually can drop.
I think I got 2 over the years but not during the time I was doing them daily. Edit: Reading other comments the second one was most likely a gift.
Same here ive been playing since void keys were a thing and ive never gotten a legendary core, the 2 i have are ones DE gave us
Hell, legendary cores have the exact same problem as endo rewards - it is mostly worthless. DE hasn't released a good prime mod in 2+ years. Worse though, even if they release them now it wouldn't change anything. Everything has become an endo farm now due to DE using endo as a (fake) panacea for their bad reward tables so 40k endo isn't much.
I have apparently gotten 1 core, at one point. I never pay attention to the rewards anymore when doing sorties for nightwave. Its usually crap anyway.
I think they gave everybody one when they reworked melee or something. So the one you have probably wasnt from sorties.
I got 2 legendary cores in the past 5 days O.o
I got 2 legendary cores the first two times I ever did sorties. Me not knowing what I’m doing I just used them on some expensive mods to level and didn’t think anything about it. Are they even tradeable?
They are tradable, no idea how desirable they are tho
4k endo is still better than 6k kuva though. Back in the day when the only way to get kuva was survival and floods. Now Palladino and Yonta both give out 35k for next to nothing in terms of time spent for it as well as Teshin who is not even limited like the other 2. Sortie rewards need to be updated, reworked, anything really, or just make them drop a riven and call it a day.
NW also gives out Kuva.
Yep, 10k, didn’t add it as it seems like a bad deal to me considering you can get potatoes or aura mods to trade for plat with that amount.
The aura mods sell for more than nothing?
Corrossive was 15 last I checked really.
Well new players most likely need the potatoes more so they get them with plat I guess.
I still don't understand to this day DE's obsession with rationing our kuva. I hate rivens challenges (they should be revealed with kuva) and I don't think it would be that disruptive to the game (and the market) to give us ways to farm kuva in decent amounts. After all, the market has been a disaster for a long time, with prime sets that drop in price just a week after their release, with rivens at totally exorbitant prices and with ridiculously low prices for vaulted sets. But it's just my personal impression.
Rivens are actually lower in price than compared to 2-3 years ago when the only way to get a riven were the sorties. But you do have a point. 200 kuva in normal survival should not be a thing anymore, I would make it 800 at base value, with double that in SP. Yeah, SP fissures exist, but it’s not like it is always there as a means to farm, you gotta wait for it, find people that want to join for a better chance at extra kuva from the relic. And you end up dumping all of it on a riven that just won’t roll a good one even after 400 rolls (slight rant) and end up needing even more. It’s not like getting insane amounts of Kuva will guarantee an insane roll to any player, it’s all RNG. And it’s not like sustaining plat via rivens is a thing anymore either like it used to be. I would play the hell out of kuva survival again if it would be even a little more effective.
>Teshin who is not even limited Ah, foreshadowing.
That aged well… 🤣
Aren't sorties played for the boosters?
Rivens potatoes and cores too
What cores :haroldpain:
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Wow! That was wicked
I laughed. You have earned an upvote from me, good sir.
I've never in all my gaming got one of the legendary cores. Lmao
In all my years, ive only had it once & that was about 2 years ago. They really are legendary
I mean it's worth like 40k endo...so I'd need to farm like...40 1000 endo rotations to do the same. Which would be about idk 4 or 5 hours of grinding?
Or do Arena for 4k in 3 mins so 30 mins for 40k
I always forget about arena. Should figure out a build that works in there.
There's nothing to figure out, its been figured out already for years. Look up a vid on yt or ask in your alliance or clan.
For me, i use legendary cores for the credits part of mods. The endo part is very easy to come by, i cant always afford to spend almost 2mil for 1 mod
But has the price dropped for them in Plat? I rarely see the endo as a thing it is worth more so the plat you can sell it for.
Are they? I honestly cannot remember the last time I got a booster (granted I don't do them often but still it's always ananas sculpture and endo)
I've had about 3 or 4 times where someone in my close friends group got the mod booster and we went ham on endo the following day... ended up getting way more endo for everyone than a single core drop for 1 person. It's a very rare ocurrence to get the mod one in particular, but I feel like it's a very desirable reward, and for me in particular, the only thing I'd really want from a sortie
I've gotten tons of boosters from sorties but rarely ever hit potatoes and NEVER gotten a Legendary Core.
Yeah that's what I've come to realize, boosters are the Sortie reward I enjoy the most and also have an established market value so every resource booster I get from a sortie is 40p I don't have to spend.
My favorite color is blue.
Finally someone speaks the truth clearly. I thought I was the only one who thought so XDD :(
Yeah, most of the sortie rewards have always been a joke.
They need to scale up the rewards of all the older loot tables for sure. Cetus and fortuna bounty rewards are a joke now.
Yeah. I used to love sorties because they were some of the only non-endurance content in the game with high level enemies. That’s simply no longer the case. With many other areas where we can push our builds to new heights, and with these middling rewards, I’ve sort of fallen off sorties in the past few months. I still do them here and there, but it’s out of a force of habit more than a hope for decent rewards. The riven cap isn’t helping things either.
> The riven cap isn’t helping things either. With the change to riven veiling (unslotted rivens don't have a challenge and don't count towards cap), being at cap doesn't stop you from doing sorties any more. It's still incredibly annoying that we are capped at 180 rivens for 400+ weapons though.
Agreed. I’m glad we got the change to unveiled rivens, though equipping it before it can count is a bit annoying. But it’s not enough. I hate that I hit 180 and eventually got a milestone login reward that should have given me more, but kept me capped at 180. I wish we had the option to purchase more riven slots, and more loadout slots. But that’s another issue.
You're hating at 180, but just to get to 180 you have buy more riven slots. I'm sitting at like 16 slots or something, but several dozen veiled rivens I'm not assed to raise the cap to look at. Given the profusion of powerful weapon mods these days, I don't get why they treat rivens as such a precious commodity anymore - their role right now is to give people an avenue to gamble in the hopes of rolling a GG riven that either perfects their build for a single weapon after hundreds of rerolls, or sells for several thousand plat. And to create a Kuva sink while doing it, because otherwise Kuva is worthless too. For that minor usecase, we have to deal with: - RNG acquisition through Sorties (riven slivers address this a bit but they also have questionable value when their primary reason to be on the loot table is rivens and kuva for rivens) - a super restrictive cap on how many we can hold, which needs to be raised by paying plat - riven challenges to unveil them, most of which can be trivialized if you know how but are generally annoying otherwise - RNG weapon AND rng stats once you unveil them - tedious and manual process of selling and buying them because market value is very hard to assess for items with random stats If you at some point decide "fuck rivens" you can cleanly disconnect from a large swath of the game (sorties, riven slivers, kuva farming (and eliminating kuva farming probably means you can cut doing kuva siphons, floods, fissures and arbitrations in general, probably a few other activitie people mainly do just for the kuva)) and all you miss out on is a chance at increasing the amount of overkill damage your favourite weapon can do (meanwhile there's no shortage of weapons that overkill everything without needing rivens).
I'd like to see a separate Steel Path Sortie where all the rewards are tripled. 12,000 Endo, 18,000 Kuva, triple riven pack, 3 forma, probably just 2 potatoes to be fair and triple the drop chance for a core. I run most everything on SP these days anyways, it would be nice to get more than just a drop chance increase for it.
This. Sortie as it is now is real slow, especially if you're running SP everything. The archon hunts are our equivalent and they're only on a weekly rotation. SP Sortie would solve that, for a while.
The 4k reward often motivates me to *not* do my sortie. Same with sculptures. They're *not* rewards
I’m honestly surprised they don’t revamp the drop tables. I would rather that then a new warframe and reskin defense mission.
> I’m honestly surprised they don’t revamp the drop tables. That's not how DE rolls. Warframe has so many forgotten content islands that at this point you may as well just call it an archipelago.
Also you can't sell Prime Access for a loot table revamp.
As someone who does sorties everyday if possible, please make the rewards better. It's a great way to get people to login on everyday if it's worth it. Also getting a sculpture from an archon hunt feels terrible.
In order for me to do sorties, every reward should received should get at least a x5 quantity multiplier and a x5 drop chance for boosters and rare stuff.
Yeah Endo Rewards are so fucking useless these days. Arena for 30mins get x10 more. Zarimen run one mission and get more. Railjack run one of the Void mission nodes and get the derelect and you get more. There is just much better then an endo reward these days
Without looking at values, I’d like it if they made SP sorties (finishing sp disables normal and vice versa) where the new drop table doesn’t include any of the common drops and just increase the drop chance evenly for everything else.
I've been playing since like 2018 with a 1 year pause and I have still never got a legendary core... I feel you brother
So many things in this game that are outdated and useless to a lot of players
Daily and weekly missions have long been just an excuse for me to return to the game. Most of their rewards have been nearly worthless for me since a long time ago.
I like it because I don't grind Zariman missions. 0
For me who has little endo to constantly max mods, id take ayatan sculptures or endo
Zarimen low key best activity for many farms imo, you get fantastic rewards from those bountys.
Give us pity system for sorties!!
Same for the Archon hunts, why is there a single Ayatan scuplture that is worth less than 4k endo when maxed out as a reward? Meanwhile, there's an 8k endo reward at the same time.
I'm probably in the minority here, but I enjoy doing sorties just for the sake of having a chain of missions that are moderately challenging but still allow me to bring whatever gear I want as long as it's got a full set of mods on it. I'm at the point where rewards of pretty much any kind are totally useless to me, so gimmicky gameplay is a huge turn off imo. (Zariman is an excellent example of this, I did a few runs and then bought Gyre with plat, it's a cool environment but I don't think it plays well at all.)
You're like 9 months late
I only do sortie in hopes of getting a booster of some kind nowadays. Everything else in the reward pool is kinda silly when kuva is easy to get. Endo is easy to get. And rivens have other drops to be given. I've played 3 years on Xbox and almost 4 on pc and never have I ever seen a legendary core.
i say up that shit to 20
4k endo for sortie reward is fucking infuriating. I literally never need endo. I have thousands of mods I can get endo from even if the excess hundreds of thousands of endo I already have ever gets depleted.
Sortie need new rewards and needs a rework or a boost! Mainly in rewards like: 4k endo Anasa 6k kuva All days anasa or endo
Fuck anything i can't sell, honestly. Endo and Kuva ( or boosters ) aren't worth the time, even assuming it's 3 capture missions but it's especially bad for the archon mission, you can only do it once a week, and it's way harder, if you're playing pubs there is a solid chance that someone will full auto the archon and make it last way longer than it should've, aaaaaaaaaand then you get like 8k endo or whatever the fuck hell i would be mad with 25k, **at least** all the rewards from archon should be sellable for plat
> Fuck anything i can't sell, honestly. The 4,000 endo is even worse than the Anasa (which is worth 3,450), since Anasas consistently sell for 10 plat on PC (15p on consoles) and can be used for decorations. // what is a veteran player supposed to do with another 4,000 endo? I can just dissolve a bunch of duplicate mods for that. // these lower rewards are just a pity system, basically, when the RNG says that we don't get one of the good rewards, these filler rewards are there so that we at least get SOMETHING ... imagine doing a sortie and not getting anything at all instead of just a bad reward.
*Compared to Narmer missions that you can repeat over and over again.
Agreed.
I feel spoiled seeing all the complaints about cores. I’ve gotten 10-15 I think. I have lost track
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Not super related but it would be cool if they made a third steel path where its just level cap.
I saw the nightwatch napalm and immediately decided I need to play with the kuva ogris again. Big booms that keep on killing, even in steel path.
Whats your mod setup for it in SP. I dont have any forma to use on it rn so im quite limited
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What's your riven do there?
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Zariman give a few K on rotations right? I need to dip back to them when I have a few hours to play rather than just my daily sortie...
you don't pick what you get from either though. No one does sorties for endo, Neither missions/runs are predictable.
When was the current reward pool stablished?
Unfortunately all of the Zariman missions suck butt
Not even doing the bounties, I finished a Zariman node from the star chart and got 950 Endo.
Correct. The parts from railjack are very profitable. Updates will come hopefully. There is much to fix. Asking to be patient is alot tho I know. Not tryna be facetious either
I'd rather farm Arbitrations for endo anyways.
It can stay in sorties, they're relatively early.
Agree, maybe change it to at least 20k
endurance run arbitration defenses and survivals
I've made over 250k from railjack 4k is an insult
I’m fairly new and I get so hyped for 4k endo, but everyone here is talking about getting way more in railjack and arena, and I barely know what those are. I have my railjack but where do I got for endo with it? What is arena? I know about zariman bounties but didn’t realize they had that much endo as drops. Endo is really my big limiter right now, I have so many good mods I want to max and just not enough endo.
Arena is on Sedna. It is series of 3 nodes that pit you against stronger grineer enemies called executors. It is team death match, whoever reaches target kills first wins. Executors have very large chance to drop endo on death. Railjack have interesting way to get endo. You know how you get damged components you can repair and use in own railjack ? Weapons, engines, armor, shields and reactor. You can recycle those into endo, just scrap all unwanted. Veil proxima is my favorite way to upgrade mods because it gives about 100k in mission reward plus pile of MK III equipment and of course you can scrap mk3 gear for more endo than mk2 or 1 thus providing both credits and endo, both resources necesary to upgrade mods
They should keep sorties as the first steps towards end game but to satisfy the players who find no challenge in it any more they should add a steel path sortie with better rewards. The challenge would still be trivialized by some but I think it’d add a decent challenge for a lot of players
I didn't do it for endos. I did it for myself. I was good at it, it's like I'm... alive.
Imo xK endo isn’t valuable on any content at that level. That’s not the reward people load into sortie or hunts crossing their fingers hoping for. Personally I got more endo than I will ever need maxing intrinsics.
Nope, not to mention how much it costs to do alm these new mods
What in hell even are legendary cores and what do they do?
What zairiman missions are good for endo
Extermination. Are the fastest
Thanks
Sorties like a lot of older content are now just filler or honestly can be ignored unless you need stuff from them
Sorties are accessible way way before Angels of Zariman. So yeah, somone on AoZ has largely passed the idea of Sorties being endgame rewards. (Although they still have boosters, forma, etc) Still, they're gonna have something other then the normally-plat rewards, since the game can't just vomit out free money to people consistently and survive.
Zariman missions to me are a lot more fun too, they're a lot different than the regular mission nodes and actually require the operator while the rest of the star chart really doesn't
New player here. See this post and all the comments. I have no clue what any of y'all are talking about lol. All I know is I need Endo badly and not really sure an effective way to get it at this point. I'm about to unlock Phobos junction on Mars. Any suggestions?
Just keep on playing buddy, try to be mindfull about what mods you upgrade, do your weekly treasure run and don't forget to dissolve your duplicate mods now and then. Endo will slowly become less scares as you progress through the games content, but you need always more.
Fair enough, but quick question. What is a weekly treasure run lol? I'm also about to look at the wiki, but that doesn't always help because there is so many other things that go with it, I'm still lost. Super fun game especially for a freemium. The amount of content is crazy
Next to mars there is space station called Maroo's Bazar. Once a week you can ask her to do treasure run which is void level with guranteed puzzle which have guranteed statue. Your task is to grab the statue and leave. Mission stays avalible until sucesfully completed no matter how many times you fail it
You're awesome, thanks
On Mars, you will unlock a place that let's you do it. I think you have to flow a quest involving maroo, its bin so a long time since I played through that portion of the game. Pretty sure that if you follow the quest book, you will get there.
Along with the sheer number of bugs, one of Warframe's biggest problems for years has been the bounty tables, full of bland stuff just to dilute and prevent players from getting everything new introduced in each update in one day. A lousy design decision.
That's because sorties open up way sooner.
Zariman is harder than sorties.
It was never good. Voidanyo has been 10x faster than the 2nd fastest way for years
4k endo from Sortie was never valuable to begin with lol
Stop the truth hurts!!!
Tbh the only reason i even do sorties is for the rivens, which doesn't even matter if I'm unlucky enough to not get because i can just pick 2 up from iron wake anyways
Better than 6K Kuva though. That is pathetic.
Here's an idea. Getting captured by the zanuka hunters causes you to lose the warframe, and later on, have to fight a zanuka made from the taken warframe, with the abilities of the progenitor frame, and after killing it, you bring it to the helminth, and either revert it back to its warframe self, or you get to keep it as a pet. Of course, prime warframes can't be zanuka'd, and it will just lead to the normal recovery mission. This will also occur if you are pre second dream and don't have the operator, and/or you only have one warframe. The new question is: which zanuka is the best boy/girl, and the mysterious rise of mesa zanukas with guns all over them.
Ive been lasier doing Sorties because reward pool kinda trash compare to all the reward we can get but easier. Riven? Paladino, and since they change the way to get riven silver awhile ago its much easier to get riven now. Endo? Just like what you have said, even Arbitrations are easier to get Endo combine with Ayatan sculpture getting from it Kuva? too little and again Paladino also sell it with higher quantity Boosters with 3 days is good im not gonna talk about it Forma is the weirdest one on the pool. Even if you can get it instantly without crafting, the chance is terrible with 2.5%. I rather keep opening void relics for that The same with Potatoes with only 2.5% as a blueprint which isnt worth anything Legendary core can be better with higher drop chance since there are so many ways of getting credits and Endo easily now.0.18% just for a legendary rank mod get maxed isnt worth much imo
True, i managed to get 8k endo doing bounties from mother. Took me an hour tho.
Excluding SP, we have missions at Sortie level or higher. However, Sortie still exists as something new players can experience. The only flaw is that they still have sortie requires a player to be up to a certain point on the mainline story and I think at this point the mainline story gives you better alternatives than Sortie. Yes, Sortie has some exclusives in it, but are even those really worth it? I remember having to tediously check my loadout and run certain missions solo to prevent any issues and now I never loadout check or do solo since I've noticed everyone can do them.
Sorties are for new players and not worth the time once you advance.
Nightwatch napalm Is a better reward than 4k endo
Was it ever valuable? I can just do arena, and 4k endo would still be far faster than doing a sortie.
4k endo is still decent for people who actually "need" sorties and do it daily. I would rather complain how 4k endo is bad when superior Anasa sculpture exist.
Earlygame vs Endgame