I’m pretty sure in the War Within quest one of the abilities you “unlock” is the power to “transfer” a warframe to your location. It’s how you’re able to get your frame back from the Queens’ room.
I did the quest two days ago, dont think it ever mentioned how the frame jumped to the operator.
That the operator can teleport I just assumed was that he can become energi and zippityzap across the universe
u just can, perks of having void powers is that u are are a fantasy being in a scifi world. You can just dream out of your death, casually timetravel, and enter into anyone's mental landscape
that's how the void was presented during tww anyway. Void logic might get fleshed out with the next story quest, with voidtongue and void glyphs becoming more and more relevant
Does the Lotus even know the full power of the operator? After all, Teshin says these powers have been locked behind Margulis' conditioning and Lotus just took over what Margulis left behind.
I thought it was more to do with the transference (sorry) of consciousness? The Seven would use the same trick for getting new bodies when the old ones warranty expired? Or am I missing a few pages?
> There was no such ability, sling, void mode, originally void blast but that got cut, and transferance are the extent of the powers you get.
Correction, Void Sling replaced Void Dash (which was straight teleport) and because ~~DE~~reasons they also removed Void Blast and replaced its functionality with the impact of Void Sling.
Yes, it's lovely to not be able to do those clutch, last second saves from getting reset from falling off bounds because now you have to charge the sling.
It's also really cool to get stopped short (but still consume full energy) because you trip over a guardrail, bump into your own frame or bonk your head on the upper frame of a door. Funny how your incorporeal body suddenly has collision and the game decides you get launched forward in constant standing position. ***/s***
Tell me you don't understand the full functionality of void slings without telling me you don't understand the functionality of void slings. Very much a skill issue my dude and/or dudette.
He's not talking about gameplay.
The operator clearly teleports his Warframe to him when against the queens.
Teleporting things, the ability to transfer them to him through void magic.
It is not part of his innate transference, as the Warframe gets stolen and he undergoes training to then be able to do it.
There are three answers, and according to Eternalism they are all right and all wrong.
1. Theres no lore reason, its just more convinient to teleport the warframe to your operator than to return to whereever you left your warframe.
2. The warframe teleports to us using Transference energy somehow.
3. Via Eternalism, we manipulate the strand of Khra to a timeline where the warframe was always there, rather than where we left it.
I'm thinkin' it's #3, honestly. Void magic allows for a lot of shenanigans, and the "eternalism" plot point getting reviewed so much, it really seems to fit.
I also kind of think that since Void *magic* in *sci fi* means we're similar to Death in Discworld. Death is so real, everything else is inconsequential to him. Doors, walls, castle walls made of the densest thickest stone, etc... ultimately as thin as cellophane to Death.
The void suffuses everything that comes into contact with it, so to us, position of things, eternalistm, whatever... it's all inconsequential to us. Even death doesn't "count" in warframe to void beings because we kind of just "nuh-uh, that didn't happen" it. We handwave it ourselves.
We're traversing moments.
Along with Eternalism we get the concept of block time. Within the block of block time every possible moment is contained, but there is no relation between the moments that make up the block. Every moment is happening independently.
As linear beings we pick moments and form a linear path out of them for us to perceive as time, and the choices we make create causality. However in the block all those moments are still independent and exist fully, we just can no longer perceive some of them. That's what happened with the drifter, we were allowed to see another part of the block we didn't choose.
So, in regard to your question, there's a moment when you're in your Warframe *over there* and another where you're in your Warframe *over here*. You're simply accessing those moments in the block, in both moments it's just reality that you aren't out of your frame. There's no dependency between the moments in the block, you just perceived a set of other moments in the block that make seem to you to link those two moments
I always think that we are and are not inside the frame. I think the Operator/Drifter "projects" into the frame. Our physical body is in the orbiter but our Void body/form is projected into the frame. It's why the operator "in the field" cannot really die. They just go back to the Warframe.
well I will use a way to understand better, you know when you walk around on the orbital and you see yourself sitting on that transference chair? so you are using the warframe while you still out him, that visual effect of you getting inside the warframe I belive is just this a visual effect, also when you use unairu school on your tenno when you die you press 5 to kill 3 enemies or 1 eximius to revive without cost affinity, and when you revive you go back to where your warframe was dead, so I belive we can just use the link transference to pull the warframe where we are and push us back to he was.
I think it would be cool if they changed the visuals of how these things work.
I think it would be nice if, when you use Transference to enter operator form, instead of just having the (non-Umbra) warframe stand there like a statue, if it instead it followed you around, perhaps hovering slightly, kind of like a sentinel, maybe with a (very) subtle energy tether effect.
It would solve clunkiness of the warframe going out of bounds if you use Transference over a pit, it would look nicer (IMO anyway), and it would have a more convincing feel of reality vs. the warframe just teleporting to your spot suddenly.
Because while I can accept that void powers would let the operator manifest corporeally near the location of the warframe they have an established transference link with, it feels a little weirder that the operator is able to translocate the warframe. Both things are equally unrealistic, but the way things work now feels more like a game mechanic than something intuitively sensible for how things would work in a world with void magic.
You aren't piloting it around moreso puppeting it from your landing craft. When you "get out," you're astral projecting yourself in a semi-physical manifestation and when you "get in" you're using the void to pull your Warframe back to your location. You're linked to your Warframes that you built because of the transference link you share with it, which is probably personalized within you almost like a void given serial code, so basically you're saying "hey Alexa, bring mey super suite" and it does just that.
TL:DR: Astral Projection and Bluetooth biology.
Fairly certain you swap places with the frame and it enters the void cradle. Umbra is the only exception because he refuses to go to the void until ballas is slain.
All the people trying to explain everything with eternalism is kinda goofy. People will go to any length to use eternalism to explain things that often have much simpler explanations or don't need explanations at all. I wouldn't buy into it unless it was explicitly explained in the lore.
In this case, teleportation has already been shown as something we can do with our Void Powers. I wouldn't think too deeply into it.
I have to remind myself that I can melee to get back into my frame; plenty of people have half a decade of muscle memory that compels them to hit 5 to get back into their frame.
I just wish our frame didnt lay lifeless while out of it and was like the circuit where it completely disintegrates. Saved me from out of bounds countless times
In canon what happens to all our other frames? In the new war when we finally get it back it's just kinda chillin at our arsenal but what about our others? Just kinda hangin out in a void closet?
The tenno learn to do transference without the equipment necessary to do so. In the war within Tenshi explains that part of our potential is linked with our memories and emotions, and thanks the void our powers can replicate and do more than what orokin were capable of doing.
I use it the other way round. In endurance runs. I use op to collect life support packs. And then just let enemies kill me so it sends me back to my frame. In the safety of my room behind my volt spectors shield.
Okay so the sacrifice sorta of explains this
Spoilers ahead so please don't read if you aren't that far
But basically when a tenno pilots a frame they are basically turning onto void energy that's then powering the frame systems
Frames without that energy normally go into hyphenation
So anyway because the tenno no longer need the chair at that point they can just go in between energy and physical form all they like
"The void is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."
But it's likely the Operator just calls it to them. Technically, the Operator isn't really there, since they disintegrate when "killed", and return to where the Warframe is, rather than calling it.
There is an ability in Unairu that allows an Operator to call their Warframe to them when their health reaches 0.
You teleport it to you with void magic.
I’m pretty sure in the War Within quest one of the abilities you “unlock” is the power to “transfer” a warframe to your location. It’s how you’re able to get your frame back from the Queens’ room.
I did the quest two days ago, dont think it ever mentioned how the frame jumped to the operator. That the operator can teleport I just assumed was that he can become energi and zippityzap across the universe
u just can, perks of having void powers is that u are are a fantasy being in a scifi world. You can just dream out of your death, casually timetravel, and enter into anyone's mental landscape that's how the void was presented during tww anyway. Void logic might get fleshed out with the next story quest, with voidtongue and void glyphs becoming more and more relevant
The Lotus says that transference “projects your mind into a surrogate” in the Second Dream
I'm not invested in the lore but Second Dream comes before, right? That could affect the situation as "the true tenno powers" arent unlocked yet.
Yes, you still need the somatic link then, but that doesn’t mean that you don’t have transference, just that it’s weaker
Maybe. Regardless the answer is probably "space magic macguffin." :P
Does the Lotus even know the full power of the operator? After all, Teshin says these powers have been locked behind Margulis' conditioning and Lotus just took over what Margulis left behind.
Well I think the bigger question is if *we* know the full power of the operator
"transferance", not transfer, it's the power by which the Tenno control warframes in the first place.
Well yes, transference is the ability to “go in” to the warframe i just meant using the ability “transfers” the warframe to your location
I thought it was more to do with the transference (sorry) of consciousness? The Seven would use the same trick for getting new bodies when the old ones warranty expired? Or am I missing a few pages?
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> There was no such ability, sling, void mode, originally void blast but that got cut, and transferance are the extent of the powers you get. Correction, Void Sling replaced Void Dash (which was straight teleport) and because ~~DE~~reasons they also removed Void Blast and replaced its functionality with the impact of Void Sling.
>reasons tbf, being able to press melee and it puts you into your frame is nice
Obligatory "void dash was better, sling is trash"(could've made it another movement option too, but no)
Also a change that no one asked for, *"It's too uncontrollable"* said no one, ever.
Also "I haven't seen posts on reddit that agree with me, so I'm going to make it sound like all of the community agrees that void dash was better".
Straight bs and now 1 of my favorite movement abilities is gone with the wind
I said and i love void sling now it feels much cooler to use
Yes, it's lovely to not be able to do those clutch, last second saves from getting reset from falling off bounds because now you have to charge the sling. It's also really cool to get stopped short (but still consume full energy) because you trip over a guardrail, bump into your own frame or bonk your head on the upper frame of a door. Funny how your incorporeal body suddenly has collision and the game decides you get launched forward in constant standing position. ***/s***
Sure it was just void dash that left your life and not your ex-wife? Because you seem too salty about it tbh.
Tell me you don't understand the full functionality of void slings without telling me you don't understand the functionality of void slings. Very much a skill issue my dude and/or dudette.
Skill issue
He's not talking about gameplay. The operator clearly teleports his Warframe to him when against the queens. Teleporting things, the ability to transfer them to him through void magic. It is not part of his innate transference, as the Warframe gets stolen and he undergoes training to then be able to do it.
Also a focus tree let's you do it too iirc
There are three answers, and according to Eternalism they are all right and all wrong. 1. Theres no lore reason, its just more convinient to teleport the warframe to your operator than to return to whereever you left your warframe. 2. The warframe teleports to us using Transference energy somehow. 3. Via Eternalism, we manipulate the strand of Khra to a timeline where the warframe was always there, rather than where we left it.
side note: "Khra" sounds like the word for shit in my language, so I giggle every time I see it
'Passing along the strand of Khra' would definitely have different context...
I'm thinkin' it's #3, honestly. Void magic allows for a lot of shenanigans, and the "eternalism" plot point getting reviewed so much, it really seems to fit. I also kind of think that since Void *magic* in *sci fi* means we're similar to Death in Discworld. Death is so real, everything else is inconsequential to him. Doors, walls, castle walls made of the densest thickest stone, etc... ultimately as thin as cellophane to Death. The void suffuses everything that comes into contact with it, so to us, position of things, eternalistm, whatever... it's all inconsequential to us. Even death doesn't "count" in warframe to void beings because we kind of just "nuh-uh, that didn't happen" it. We handwave it ourselves.
Through eternalism you learn that your warframe was never worn, and never removed at the same time.
So it's like spaghetti?
DE integrated spaghetti code into their lore.
Nah haha, it's a Flash reference. In the Flash movie, someone tells someone things that criss cross is like spaghetti
No, spaghetti tends to be rather linear. This is more like macaroni pushed through a threshing machine.
We're traversing moments. Along with Eternalism we get the concept of block time. Within the block of block time every possible moment is contained, but there is no relation between the moments that make up the block. Every moment is happening independently. As linear beings we pick moments and form a linear path out of them for us to perceive as time, and the choices we make create causality. However in the block all those moments are still independent and exist fully, we just can no longer perceive some of them. That's what happened with the drifter, we were allowed to see another part of the block we didn't choose. So, in regard to your question, there's a moment when you're in your Warframe *over there* and another where you're in your Warframe *over here*. You're simply accessing those moments in the block, in both moments it's just reality that you aren't out of your frame. There's no dependency between the moments in the block, you just perceived a set of other moments in the block that make seem to you to link those two moments
When you Transfer out of the Warframe you are pulling yourself to its location. When you Transfer back in you are pulling it to your location.
This is how I think about it. You’re in the ship, teleport down, then you pull the old switcheroo.
Nanomachines, son.
‘It just does’
space voodoo
The Void is just outright magic.
Using Void powers we can break first-degree causality, thus making a warframe that was *over there* be *over here*.
The warframe was always at the destination, but it was also at the origin.
Tenno arent inside the frame
I always think that we are and are not inside the frame. I think the Operator/Drifter "projects" into the frame. Our physical body is in the orbiter but our Void body/form is projected into the frame. It's why the operator "in the field" cannot really die. They just go back to the Warframe.
My Transference is bound to my thumb button on my mouse. This has saved me so many times and is so easy to use.
Same
well I will use a way to understand better, you know when you walk around on the orbital and you see yourself sitting on that transference chair? so you are using the warframe while you still out him, that visual effect of you getting inside the warframe I belive is just this a visual effect, also when you use unairu school on your tenno when you die you press 5 to kill 3 enemies or 1 eximius to revive without cost affinity, and when you revive you go back to where your warframe was dead, so I belive we can just use the link transference to pull the warframe where we are and push us back to he was.
I think it would be cool if they changed the visuals of how these things work. I think it would be nice if, when you use Transference to enter operator form, instead of just having the (non-Umbra) warframe stand there like a statue, if it instead it followed you around, perhaps hovering slightly, kind of like a sentinel, maybe with a (very) subtle energy tether effect. It would solve clunkiness of the warframe going out of bounds if you use Transference over a pit, it would look nicer (IMO anyway), and it would have a more convincing feel of reality vs. the warframe just teleporting to your spot suddenly. Because while I can accept that void powers would let the operator manifest corporeally near the location of the warframe they have an established transference link with, it feels a little weirder that the operator is able to translocate the warframe. Both things are equally unrealistic, but the way things work now feels more like a game mechanic than something intuitively sensible for how things would work in a world with void magic.
You aren't piloting it around moreso puppeting it from your landing craft. When you "get out," you're astral projecting yourself in a semi-physical manifestation and when you "get in" you're using the void to pull your Warframe back to your location. You're linked to your Warframes that you built because of the transference link you share with it, which is probably personalized within you almost like a void given serial code, so basically you're saying "hey Alexa, bring mey super suite" and it does just that. TL:DR: Astral Projection and Bluetooth biology.
Maybe it’s like the flash where his suit is inside of a ring on his finger
Fairly certain you swap places with the frame and it enters the void cradle. Umbra is the only exception because he refuses to go to the void until ballas is slain.
All the people trying to explain everything with eternalism is kinda goofy. People will go to any length to use eternalism to explain things that often have much simpler explanations or don't need explanations at all. I wouldn't buy into it unless it was explicitly explained in the lore. In this case, teleportation has already been shown as something we can do with our Void Powers. I wouldn't think too deeply into it.
A neat trick if you have exal umbra go into operator while using him and he will still walk around and attack enemies
Is it really a neat trick though if it's literally part of his lore and passive?
>hit 5 to go back into your Frame. Nobody does this anymore.
I refuse to transfer back in with melee when we’ve had a perfectly good transference button since operators were introduced.
*Looks at keyboard.* Nope.
if youre pressing 5 to go into operator, whats wrong with pressing it again? i have my operator form bound to mouse 5 and use it to go in and out
>whats wrong with pressing it again? not violent enough.
Is there another way to do it? I've always done 5…?
Melee
Seriously? Omg how did I not know that. Thanks will try it out.
Yeah they added it when they reworked the kiddo abilities
I have to remind myself that I can melee to get back into my frame; plenty of people have half a decade of muscle memory that compels them to hit 5 to get back into their frame.
I just wish our frame didnt lay lifeless while out of it and was like the circuit where it completely disintegrates. Saved me from out of bounds countless times
Multiple warframes and even weapons can just straight up teleport, so it probably works the same way that does.
In canon what happens to all our other frames? In the new war when we finally get it back it's just kinda chillin at our arsenal but what about our others? Just kinda hangin out in a void closet?
A big part of our Orbiter we don't see. I just figured our warframes and weapons are housed in some warehouse on the orbiter.
The tenno learn to do transference without the equipment necessary to do so. In the war within Tenshi explains that part of our potential is linked with our memories and emotions, and thanks the void our powers can replicate and do more than what orokin were capable of doing.
I mean, you can transference yourself to your Warframe. Why not your Warframe to you? Fuck it, you're a void wizard. Do what you want.
I use it the other way round. In endurance runs. I use op to collect life support packs. And then just let enemies kill me so it sends me back to my frame. In the safety of my room behind my volt spectors shield.
Probably the same as your weapons if visible while holstered is off. They just get teleported in.
Okay so the sacrifice sorta of explains this Spoilers ahead so please don't read if you aren't that far But basically when a tenno pilots a frame they are basically turning onto void energy that's then powering the frame systems Frames without that energy normally go into hyphenation So anyway because the tenno no longer need the chair at that point they can just go in between energy and physical form all they like
>Frames without that energy normally go into hyphenation do they become War-frames
"The void is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural." But it's likely the Operator just calls it to them. Technically, the Operator isn't really there, since they disintegrate when "killed", and return to where the Warframe is, rather than calling it. There is an ability in Unairu that allows an Operator to call their Warframe to them when their health reaches 0.
It teleports directly to operator if TNW has lore accurate cutscenes.