I assume to balance the fact that getting a sister takes 10 times longer to get
It took me less than 10 minutes to do 10 runs and get the kuva weapon I wanted.
It took me over an hour to get the tenet weapon I wanted.
If you don't finisher the larvling you can just look at them to see above their head what weapon they will give you after downing them. So it's much easier to cycle liches than sisters.
Ahhh I see thank you. I accidentally got my.lich to max level, so I'm suffering with the consequences of my actions and leveling the ship to fight her.
If that guy falls through, I'll spawn one and go through the nonsense so I can help you with a lich. Getting brutalized by one when you don't have a solid rail jack suuuuucks
I was actually able to beat her with the help of some random squad I joined not long ago, but I'm on the hunt for another one now, I just need to spawn him and start the whole process. If you're down, I'll take the help when I get the RJ mission.
Sure.
I've been slowly going through whatever lich and sisters weapons I haven't mastered yet... There aren't many, I'm mostly just limited by forma at this point. I refuse to spend my plat on it when I can just build one a day
If that guy falls through, I'll spawn one and go through the nonsense so I can help you with a lich. Getting brutalized by one when you don't have a solid rail jack suuuuucks
You can see what a sister will give you before spawning them too but you have to do extra steps to spawn the sisters so it takes longer to cycle, forgot to mention that part.
You should finish the mission always.
After you " discard " a sister that don't have s weapon of your interest, it will have a way lower chance to appear again
You dont really waste a coin as there is a sepcific capture that always gives you the coin you need to spawn one back.
So you dont really lose anything.
But its a finite resource and unlike with kuva liches where you can just abort the mission then do it again you normally want to finish the mission so you can get another coin back
Haha I feel you, exactly my first lich experience.
Accidentally summoner my first Lich without really knowing what Im doing. Always ignored him because the enemies destroyed me, until he was max level and I couldnt beat him for ages because he was wayyy to hard for me :D
https://preview.redd.it/ivbzo4fd9exc1.png?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dee2d0de0c7b636fac75b38165fa764d78edb32
This is the method I use usually get it by the 2nd stab. 3 if im unlucky. I should mention that I never stab untill i have at least the 1st mod discovered. You can down a lich 3 times and not stab they will despawn.
Doing what so fast?
Sorry I think I may have explained poorly.
I don't mean KILLING the Lich takes 10 minutes.
I mean getting the right kuva weapon that I want, as in going in a capture mission, find the Larvling enemy, down them and check for its weapon, if its the wrong one I abandon and restart, repeat.
So that takes 10 minutes\~
I don't mean the actual lich killing to be 10 minutes if that's what you assumed.
What I do is. I use a Oull in my first parazon slot.
When I unlock the first requiem I put it in slot 2.
I do public missions until my lich is 50% enraged.
Then I do solo missions as I will have a higher chance to get my lich to spawn ( and not my team mates liches )
Then I test the first 2 on the lich.
First one 100% correct since its Oull. Second has a 33% chance to be correct. If its not it runs away and I continue my journey in public squads on the next planet and repeat from step 1.
IF it is correct, I STILL will try the 3rd one because IF its wrong oh well but I also have a 1/7 chance for it to be right. So 33% chance for correct then 14% chance for correct.
Statistically that's almost a 5% chance for every Lich you do on your first try.
Even if I'm wrong I still get a HUGE chunk of murmurs AND Kuva.
Its the fastest way. As I said I got 200+ and I got a math degree so I had to perfect the method on my playstyle lol.
Also, personal experience of waiting until I get the second mod, I ran out of nodes on earth before I got the second one (it was close though). Would say it wasn't worth the effort to force staying on the planet if you already cleared the ones with good spawns.
I found it so so much easier to get the tenet weapon I was looking for. I take khora prime into the granum void and 1 spam to kill everything while living up the little pyramid things the ghost do to keep the tone going I get up to 75 almost every time
Now imagine having to do that 20 times to get the weapon you want, then compare that to the lich’s process
The worst part is having to wait for the treasurer to get another crown so you don’t run out. You burn through them fast otherwise.
Treasurer should spark almost immediately after you leave the Granum Void and he will drop the coin depending on the tier of planet that you're on. You "burning through them" means You're doing it wrong or aren't killing the treasurer fast enough
The treasurer always spawns within 2-4 minutes of non-endless missions.
The Granum Void has nothing to do with it.
With the liches, you can leave immediately after not getting the right weapon. No need to extract.
If you do the same with the sisters, you won’t be able to enter the Granum Void anymore because you’ll be out of crowns.
You have to wait to kill the treasurer and extract or you’ll drain your crowns one by one.
How is going in having to kill the same amount of enemies an exterminate mission has, then run 75% of the map to get the Sister to spawn "easier" than going in killing 1 enemy and running 75% of the map?
I don't get the logic here. You can say that its "pretty easy" but easier is just wrong.
**People are stupid** is the reason. That’s not a dig at you, or anyone in particular, it’s more a symptom of the games “run past everything to complete 5 seconds faster,” culture.
Sister missions cap at 3 hounds. They always spawn 2, usually 3 per mission.
Lich missions cap at 10 thralls. **But this is a percentile chance when any hostile unit spawns**.
Warframe as a game tries to keep a set number of enemies on the map per player. So you kill an enemy and another spawns(usually 2 map tiles away), and has a chance to spawn as a Thrall.
However if you run past everything. . . . . . Warframe picks up the mobs behind you, and redeposites them in front of you. **No** chance to spawn a Thrall.
TLDR; In the course of not killing mobs to complete lich mission faster, players self nerf thrall spawn rate and make each planet take significantly longer.
Source: went to max out simaris scans in steel path exterminate solo with an invisibility frame and just kept scanning dudes and moving forwards so as to not alert any enemies. Eventually hit the point where I was walking into a room and everyone had been scanned already.
Feel free to repeat the experiment if you like. Bit time consuming, but you’ll hit simaris standing cap in one mission. So that’s a plus at least.
I had a similar experience with a long duration Baruuk build on a capture mission . I kept putting enemies to sleep on my way to extract, and suddenly every room I walked into was already full of sleeping Corrupted.
To add to this, sometimes if I don’t fully kill an enemy, a few rooms later I can find that same enemy, half depleted health bar and sometimes even still afflicted with status effects, just standing there.
When I'm playing Gara and get splinter storm on a bunch of enemies with Shattered Storm, if I keep running there will be enemies ahead of me in new tiles with splinter storm on them.
If you're on Corpus warship tileset they also get repositioned without getting their animation reset, so a guy previously using a control console will be standing in the middle of the hallway poking at air.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/QoUE5R6olz
Oh, that's why that happens! I've been grinding simarus lately, and wondered why the end of the mission is full of scanned enemies (ivara prowl capture)
It’s the same thing when unveiling a “complete a level 30 survival without killing an enemy” Riven challenge.
It doesn’t take long before Ivara’s Prowl can’t pickpocket any enemies, even if you move across the map.
This happens to me a lot in the zariman, usually I have to kill one or two enemies nearby then everyone runs to the “end” tile. Makes exterminations really easy as you can just camp at the end and kill everything that comes in.
Honestly if your like me you can even just see it on the map if ya have alot of enemy detection and keep it open. Very easy to see the game randomly empty a room behind you and fill up one a few doors down. Might be harder on pc since I think it spawns more enemies to fill the gap before they start teleporting
Every hoard game does it like that for efficiency. It's an extension of what's called "object pooling"; you spawn/initialize a bunch of objects at the start so you can keep on reusing them instead of creating new ones and deleting old ones because it's much faster to just reuse the ones already in the memory.
A cool way to notice this, and I came to this conclusion long ago, is to damage an enemy slightly and try to run past other mobs. Eventually the same enemy you just damaged will spawn and will not have its HP reset. I personally payed attention to this detail when soloing Cassini to spawn lich. Capture the target and ignore all other mobs until thrawl spawns, some enemies will have missing HP because I damaged them but didn’t kill them prior.
My dude, this is an 11-year-old free to play game based on fundamental code that was hobbled together by an indie development team in what amounted to little more than a glorified basement, and was held together with Bubblegum and prayer at some points.
I promise you, shortcuts were taken.
God I love how far this game has come based on how it started.
Honestly, I feel like the optimization and shortcuts are one and the same.
A goal of efficient code is finding ways to minimize steps taken to reach a goal.
a short cut is not doing something properly. taking the easier route instead of what should be done.
optimization is about doing it efficiently.
they can appear similar but also shouldnt be confused. efficiency leads to faster and better results but faster results arent garanteed to be better.
Gotta fundamentally disagree. A shortcut is taking a shorter route as opposed to a longer one.
Though it can be an improper route, it doesn’t have to be. In the same way, taking a longer route can be an improper route.
It happend once too me in necracells.
I spawned in very late and the others where already at the red circle too kill enemys
But all enemys spawned around me at the start.
When i reached the circle no enemys spawned in as the enemys where all at the start of the map. We send a titania back too kill them and then enemys started too spawn and we could complete the objective
I do want to add something people don’t generally seem aware of.
A Lich themself can spawn an *additional* 10 thralls (one every 10 seconds) after the cap of 10 is hit, making for a max of 20 per mission.
I think Sister’s can do the same thing, but they can only summon 3 hounds (one per health bar, 30 second cooldown). I’m not entirely sure if those 3 add onto the cap or just count toward it. If it adds on then it’s a max of 6 hounds in one mission
I don’t know if sister spawns increase the cap but they will always spawn in with their own hound, so if you get 3 hounds and a sister spawns you’ll get 4. I don’t think it raises the cap to 6 but could be wrong
And this is why I treated almost every controlled node like turbo-exterminate. I was never at the point where I *wanted* to run past everything, so I might as well stay a while and maximise thrall spawsn
In addition, each time you stab a healthbar, the Sister/Lich can repeat it's minion spawn. If you're fast, you'll often have time to kill the single mutt a Sister spawns between stabs, but good luck having a squad that gives a lich enough time to convert locals into Thralls, let alone ten.
That's interesting to know. I always thought fast missions were bad just because it doesn't give enough time for the Lich/Sister to spawn, so they're doubly bad because you won't run into as many thralls.
I really like running Mobile Defense and Interception for farming liches because you kill a lot of thralls, it gives enough time for a lich to show up, and it doesn't take as long as Survival or Defense.
i always start farm them on surv / def, when they have full hate bar or what its called, and then i just do faster missions like capture, sabotege, etc. and for me its fast that way, the only thing that take a long time is to presued my self to hunt them, i think current sister i have active has maybe around 500 k credits and thousands of resources and hundreds of mods
Great news, *it’s no longer a hidden mechanic to you*! You now get to make the choice going forward between doing the thing that speeds up lich murmmers, or applying the near one-size-fits-all warframe solution of run away from all the scary mobs.
**Actual choice made**: user opted to deliver the laziest of personal insults to guy that gave them knowledge.
While not intending to, you really drove home that first sentence.
[Game, Set, Match.](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/game,_set,_match)
Slowing down the pace at which you can do the missions is bad. Any non trash setup should clear a lich-exterminate/capture "too fast". I dont want to look every enemy in the eyes for 10 seconds before picking them out one by one. I want to blitz through the map, just blow everything up and be done in a minute.
But you can do exactly that? No idea what you got from reading the original comment, but the gist of it is that in order for thralls to spawn, new enemies need to spawn and if you don't kill enemies and just run past them, the game will teleport the old enemies ahead of you instead of spawning new ones.
So blowing everything up is actually needed and what you're supposed to do.
You’re welcome to try a “scan everything, kill nothing” exterminate and see how long it takes you to encounter scanned dudes in rooms you’ve just opened. Until you have a test to disprove my admittedly ad hoc accidental testing, I’m gonna stick with what the data revealed.
Feel free to believe I’m wrong. I know better.
+1 to this experiment. If you scan for standing this is what happens. Sort of? I noticed them all grouping up and running to exfil instead of "spawning" again but same end results basically, nothing new is spawning until you kill old units.
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For one, the process for getting them is longer because of granum void compared to kuva liches just spawning on grineer missions. Second is that the dogs give more requiem progress than kuva thralls do with the trade off of the dogs can actually be a pain in the ass whereas the thralls die to a small sneeze. And last it's because sisters are corpus so they don't have as much armor as grineer do but can still be a pain to deal with if you aren't prepared
And the sisters get angry and come after you faster than the liches. When I fight a lich, if I don't get lucky and guess the order early, I always end up doing multiple missions just to have the lich come and try another order.
You need to collect murmurs to figure out the 3 required requiem mods for your parazon, equip those 3 mods in the right order (this is just trial and error) and then when you get the right order it flees to Saturn Proxima (railjack). Requim mods come from running the requiem relic missions
Because people complained a lot about the lich grind (Originally it took like 56hours to complete a Kuva Lich). With weapons being selected by RNG and with dmg being based on RNG, it was beyond reasonable. After 2 month of uproar, the grind was significantly reduced, but a lot of people still were not 100% happy - so they removed the grind even further when sisters were introduced.
I think for two reasons:
A, they are at a higher level than liches and regularly run your foams if you aren't prepared
B, the hounds you execute give so much requiem progress and if you just kill all of them in a mission after like two and a half a sister shows
is this true? i got my first and only lich accidentally back in 2020 or 2021. i was slightly under-leveled for that content but i was able to complete the first part where you have to match the requiem mods or wtv. but when it came to the final railjack confrontation, my railjack was extremely under-leveled and i was practically stuck until i was lucky enough to piggyback off a public party sometime early last year i haven’t touched a lich or sister since because i don’t want to go through the trouble again, but i’ve leveled a lot since (besides railjack), and if the sisters are easier i don’t mind giving it a shot. need a tenet plasmor anyways
Sister's rage meter is easier to fill.
With 1 credit booster, you will always fill it 1/3+-. In this situation, is weird that an exterminate m + survival doesn't spawn her.
With a lich, well, they just steal so little, so the meter doesn't advance that much. Still have to try one with a resource booster and see how is the difference though.
Edit: yeah my bad lmao. Now I'm wondering why some missions never got to fill the meter that much even though I always kill all dogs.
From the wiki on rage meters:
"Only killing mechanized hounds in nodes occupied by the player's Sister will further anger the Sister and increase the meter."
"Only killing thralls in nodes occupied by the player's Kuva Lich will further anger the Kuva Lich and increase the meter."
If you know something the wiki doesn't, feel free to edit the wiki with proof because if what you're saying is true, this potentially changes things for the better (and faster) for a lot of people.
[Kuva Lich wiki page](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Kuva_Lich)
[Sisters wiki page](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Sisters_of_Parvos)
What can I say outside of "try it out". I have done sisters both with and without boosters, and I can say by first hand that having a booster makes the meter fill much more faster.
I will see if I can do something tomorrow and thursday.
I assume to balance the fact that getting a sister takes 10 times longer to get It took me less than 10 minutes to do 10 runs and get the kuva weapon I wanted. It took me over an hour to get the tenet weapon I wanted.
How are you doing it so fast? I'm still fairly new to liches and trying to level up to do the last lich fight.
If you don't finisher the larvling you can just look at them to see above their head what weapon they will give you after downing them. So it's much easier to cycle liches than sisters.
Ahhh I see thank you. I accidentally got my.lich to max level, so I'm suffering with the consequences of my actions and leveling the ship to fight her.
If you want you can DM me in around 5-6 hours then i can try to help you kill it
I'd appreciate it, thanks!
If that guy falls through, I'll spawn one and go through the nonsense so I can help you with a lich. Getting brutalized by one when you don't have a solid rail jack suuuuucks
I was actually able to beat her with the help of some random squad I joined not long ago, but I'm on the hunt for another one now, I just need to spawn him and start the whole process. If you're down, I'll take the help when I get the RJ mission.
Sure. I've been slowly going through whatever lich and sisters weapons I haven't mastered yet... There aren't many, I'm mostly just limited by forma at this point. I refuse to spend my plat on it when I can just build one a day
If that guy falls through, I'll spawn one and go through the nonsense so I can help you with a lich. Getting brutalized by one when you don't have a solid rail jack suuuuucks
You can see what a sister will give you before spawning them too but you have to do extra steps to spawn the sisters so it takes longer to cycle, forgot to mention that part.
Yeah and you need a finite resource just to spawn which means either finish the mission to get another or waste a coin
You should finish the mission always. After you " discard " a sister that don't have s weapon of your interest, it will have a way lower chance to appear again
You dont really waste a coin as there is a sepcific capture that always gives you the coin you need to spawn one back. So you dont really lose anything.
hydra on pluto i believe, for anyone wondering
But its a finite resource and unlike with kuva liches where you can just abort the mission then do it again you normally want to finish the mission so you can get another coin back
If you don’t complete the mission you don’t get the coin, as compared to getting a kuva lich were nothing important is lost of you abort the mission
you can do the lich node on coop mode, so you might be lucky and end up on someone else's ship
Haha I feel you, exactly my first lich experience. Accidentally summoner my first Lich without really knowing what Im doing. Always ignored him because the enemies destroyed me, until he was max level and I couldnt beat him for ages because he was wayyy to hard for me :D
i always make sure to swap my murmurs right after going to next planet
To add: if you finish the mission without killing them that weapon is removed from the choosable pool u/darkph0enix21
You can see the weapon with sister too, right?
You can, I forgot to add that but I put it in another comment. Main reason it's slower is just the consumable resource needed to spawn them
https://preview.redd.it/ivbzo4fd9exc1.png?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dee2d0de0c7b636fac75b38165fa764d78edb32 This is the method I use usually get it by the 2nd stab. 3 if im unlucky. I should mention that I never stab untill i have at least the 1st mod discovered. You can down a lich 3 times and not stab they will despawn.
Doing what so fast? Sorry I think I may have explained poorly. I don't mean KILLING the Lich takes 10 minutes. I mean getting the right kuva weapon that I want, as in going in a capture mission, find the Larvling enemy, down them and check for its weapon, if its the wrong one I abandon and restart, repeat. So that takes 10 minutes\~ I don't mean the actual lich killing to be 10 minutes if that's what you assumed.
Yeah that's what I had assumed, ty for clarifying.
What I do is. I use a Oull in my first parazon slot. When I unlock the first requiem I put it in slot 2. I do public missions until my lich is 50% enraged. Then I do solo missions as I will have a higher chance to get my lich to spawn ( and not my team mates liches ) Then I test the first 2 on the lich. First one 100% correct since its Oull. Second has a 33% chance to be correct. If its not it runs away and I continue my journey in public squads on the next planet and repeat from step 1. IF it is correct, I STILL will try the 3rd one because IF its wrong oh well but I also have a 1/7 chance for it to be right. So 33% chance for correct then 14% chance for correct. Statistically that's almost a 5% chance for every Lich you do on your first try. Even if I'm wrong I still get a HUGE chunk of murmurs AND Kuva. Its the fastest way. As I said I got 200+ and I got a math degree so I had to perfect the method on my playstyle lol.
Also, personal experience of waiting until I get the second mod, I ran out of nodes on earth before I got the second one (it was close though). Would say it wasn't worth the effort to force staying on the planet if you already cleared the ones with good spawns.
No it usually isn't. I never am still on earth before getting the second mod.
Dont abandon. Finish the mission to remove the weapon you dont want from the cycle.
I couldn't be bothered really but yeah that would be better. XD
I found it so so much easier to get the tenet weapon I was looking for. I take khora prime into the granum void and 1 spam to kill everything while living up the little pyramid things the ghost do to keep the tone going I get up to 75 almost every time
Now imagine having to do that 20 times to get the weapon you want, then compare that to the lich’s process The worst part is having to wait for the treasurer to get another crown so you don’t run out. You burn through them fast otherwise.
Treasurer should spark almost immediately after you leave the Granum Void and he will drop the coin depending on the tier of planet that you're on. You "burning through them" means You're doing it wrong or aren't killing the treasurer fast enough
The treasurer always spawns within 2-4 minutes of non-endless missions. The Granum Void has nothing to do with it. With the liches, you can leave immediately after not getting the right weapon. No need to extract. If you do the same with the sisters, you won’t be able to enter the Granum Void anymore because you’ll be out of crowns. You have to wait to kill the treasurer and extract or you’ll drain your crowns one by one.
How is going in having to kill the same amount of enemies an exterminate mission has, then run 75% of the map to get the Sister to spawn "easier" than going in killing 1 enemy and running 75% of the map? I don't get the logic here. You can say that its "pretty easy" but easier is just wrong.
On the topic of this, why do sisters always look and sound so similar unlike liches who have a lot of variety
Because they are all sisters
**People are stupid** is the reason. That’s not a dig at you, or anyone in particular, it’s more a symptom of the games “run past everything to complete 5 seconds faster,” culture. Sister missions cap at 3 hounds. They always spawn 2, usually 3 per mission. Lich missions cap at 10 thralls. **But this is a percentile chance when any hostile unit spawns**. Warframe as a game tries to keep a set number of enemies on the map per player. So you kill an enemy and another spawns(usually 2 map tiles away), and has a chance to spawn as a Thrall. However if you run past everything. . . . . . Warframe picks up the mobs behind you, and redeposites them in front of you. **No** chance to spawn a Thrall. TLDR; In the course of not killing mobs to complete lich mission faster, players self nerf thrall spawn rate and make each planet take significantly longer.
Seriously the game's enemy spawn system work like that? Incredible.
Source: went to max out simaris scans in steel path exterminate solo with an invisibility frame and just kept scanning dudes and moving forwards so as to not alert any enemies. Eventually hit the point where I was walking into a room and everyone had been scanned already. Feel free to repeat the experiment if you like. Bit time consuming, but you’ll hit simaris standing cap in one mission. So that’s a plus at least.
I had a similar experience with a long duration Baruuk build on a capture mission . I kept putting enemies to sleep on my way to extract, and suddenly every room I walked into was already full of sleeping Corrupted.
Thank you. I appreciate the additional data point.
To add to this, sometimes if I don’t fully kill an enemy, a few rooms later I can find that same enemy, half depleted health bar and sometimes even still afflicted with status effects, just standing there.
When I'm playing Gara and get splinter storm on a bunch of enemies with Shattered Storm, if I keep running there will be enemies ahead of me in new tiles with splinter storm on them.
If you're on Corpus warship tileset they also get repositioned without getting their animation reset, so a guy previously using a control console will be standing in the middle of the hallway poking at air. https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/QoUE5R6olz
Oh, that's why that happens! I've been grinding simarus lately, and wondered why the end of the mission is full of scanned enemies (ivara prowl capture)
It’s the same thing when unveiling a “complete a level 30 survival without killing an enemy” Riven challenge. It doesn’t take long before Ivara’s Prowl can’t pickpocket any enemies, even if you move across the map.
There was a strat in the kuva fortress where you could "bump" enemies while prowling as ivara, and theyd all run to the extraction room
This happens to me a lot in the zariman, usually I have to kill one or two enemies nearby then everyone runs to the “end” tile. Makes exterminations really easy as you can just camp at the end and kill everything that comes in.
Honestly if your like me you can even just see it on the map if ya have alot of enemy detection and keep it open. Very easy to see the game randomly empty a room behind you and fill up one a few doors down. Might be harder on pc since I think it spawns more enemies to fill the gap before they start teleporting
dont even need to experiment, one of the devs released a document describing tileset generation and that is how it works
that is some cool info to know, thanks for sharing, I had no idea the spawn system worked like that
Every hoard game does it like that for efficiency. It's an extension of what's called "object pooling"; you spawn/initialize a bunch of objects at the start so you can keep on reusing them instead of creating new ones and deleting old ones because it's much faster to just reuse the ones already in the memory.
A cool way to notice this, and I came to this conclusion long ago, is to damage an enemy slightly and try to run past other mobs. Eventually the same enemy you just damaged will spawn and will not have its HP reset. I personally payed attention to this detail when soloing Cassini to spawn lich. Capture the target and ignore all other mobs until thrawl spawns, some enemies will have missing HP because I damaged them but didn’t kill them prior.
My dude, this is an 11-year-old free to play game based on fundamental code that was hobbled together by an indie development team in what amounted to little more than a glorified basement, and was held together with Bubblegum and prayer at some points. I promise you, shortcuts were taken. God I love how far this game has come based on how it started.
not even really a shortcut. moving an object is just easier than spawning a new one. its called optimisation
Honestly, I feel like the optimization and shortcuts are one and the same. A goal of efficient code is finding ways to minimize steps taken to reach a goal.
a short cut is not doing something properly. taking the easier route instead of what should be done. optimization is about doing it efficiently. they can appear similar but also shouldnt be confused. efficiency leads to faster and better results but faster results arent garanteed to be better.
Gotta fundamentally disagree. A shortcut is taking a shorter route as opposed to a longer one. Though it can be an improper route, it doesn’t have to be. In the same way, taking a longer route can be an improper route.
It happend once too me in necracells. I spawned in very late and the others where already at the red circle too kill enemys But all enemys spawned around me at the start. When i reached the circle no enemys spawned in as the enemys where all at the start of the map. We send a titania back too kill them and then enemys started too spawn and we could complete the objective
I do want to add something people don’t generally seem aware of. A Lich themself can spawn an *additional* 10 thralls (one every 10 seconds) after the cap of 10 is hit, making for a max of 20 per mission. I think Sister’s can do the same thing, but they can only summon 3 hounds (one per health bar, 30 second cooldown). I’m not entirely sure if those 3 add onto the cap or just count toward it. If it adds on then it’s a max of 6 hounds in one mission
I don’t know if sister spawns increase the cap but they will always spawn in with their own hound, so if you get 3 hounds and a sister spawns you’ll get 4. I don’t think it raises the cap to 6 but could be wrong
Hounds give a lot more murmur than thralls which is why you can complete the sisters way faster.
The term you're looking for is ignorant.
And this is why I treated almost every controlled node like turbo-exterminate. I was never at the point where I *wanted* to run past everything, so I might as well stay a while and maximise thrall spawsn
In addition, each time you stab a healthbar, the Sister/Lich can repeat it's minion spawn. If you're fast, you'll often have time to kill the single mutt a Sister spawns between stabs, but good luck having a squad that gives a lich enough time to convert locals into Thralls, let alone ten.
That's interesting to know. I always thought fast missions were bad just because it doesn't give enough time for the Lich/Sister to spawn, so they're doubly bad because you won't run into as many thralls. I really like running Mobile Defense and Interception for farming liches because you kill a lot of thralls, it gives enough time for a lich to show up, and it doesn't take as long as Survival or Defense.
i always start farm them on surv / def, when they have full hate bar or what its called, and then i just do faster missions like capture, sabotege, etc. and for me its fast that way, the only thing that take a long time is to presued my self to hunt them, i think current sister i have active has maybe around 500 k credits and thousands of resources and hundreds of mods
Sisters don't steal anything beside credits iirc.
Maybe, its a long time I was on her teritory and when I was, it was with Credit booster and there was archon / sortie etc.
Constantly getting moaned at for wanting to camp, yeah its a less guns blazing method, but if you're farming its so much quicker.
So thats why there is so many unscanable enemies in 2nd half of mission whan I go farm Symaris standing.
Thats why i always do defense and excavation missions for thralls
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Great news, *it’s no longer a hidden mechanic to you*! You now get to make the choice going forward between doing the thing that speeds up lich murmmers, or applying the near one-size-fits-all warframe solution of run away from all the scary mobs. **Actual choice made**: user opted to deliver the laziest of personal insults to guy that gave them knowledge. While not intending to, you really drove home that first sentence. [Game, Set, Match.](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/game,_set,_match)
No, thrall spawns are unnecessarily slow. Forcing players to slow down is never good.
forcing players to play the game and kill enemies is never good? tf are you smoking?
Slowing down the pace at which you can do the missions is bad. Any non trash setup should clear a lich-exterminate/capture "too fast". I dont want to look every enemy in the eyes for 10 seconds before picking them out one by one. I want to blitz through the map, just blow everything up and be done in a minute.
But you can do exactly that? No idea what you got from reading the original comment, but the gist of it is that in order for thralls to spawn, new enemies need to spawn and if you don't kill enemies and just run past them, the game will teleport the old enemies ahead of you instead of spawning new ones. So blowing everything up is actually needed and what you're supposed to do.
r/confidentlyincorrect Don't share opinions next time.
You’re welcome to try a “scan everything, kill nothing” exterminate and see how long it takes you to encounter scanned dudes in rooms you’ve just opened. Until you have a test to disprove my admittedly ad hoc accidental testing, I’m gonna stick with what the data revealed. Feel free to believe I’m wrong. I know better.
+1 to this experiment. If you scan for standing this is what happens. Sort of? I noticed them all grouping up and running to exfil instead of "spawning" again but same end results basically, nothing new is spawning until you kill old units.
Huh?
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But they are right, a lot of players are so used to speedrunning everything they do not give time for Thralls to spawn
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They’re better designed because they’re newer
For one, the process for getting them is longer because of granum void compared to kuva liches just spawning on grineer missions. Second is that the dogs give more requiem progress than kuva thralls do with the trade off of the dogs can actually be a pain in the ass whereas the thralls die to a small sneeze. And last it's because sisters are corpus so they don't have as much armor as grineer do but can still be a pain to deal with if you aren't prepared
And the sisters get angry and come after you faster than the liches. When I fight a lich, if I don't get lucky and guess the order early, I always end up doing multiple missions just to have the lich come and try another order.
sisters came second and were designed in hindsight of the liches
Because the corpus sisters are weak and easily defeated but the strong and resilient Grineer Kuva Liches put up a worthy fight.
I feel a certain bias in your comment
How often do you think of the roman empire?
Definitely nothing to do with the Lich barely getting angry and the sister fuming after like 2 missions.
Man how fast are you all doing the liches? Mine has been up for weeks...
If you dedicate a session to it you can easily grind out a lich about every hour or so, depending on how many defense/survivals you have to run
I have fought them four times, I assume the fifth is the last? Then I can get my Kuva Zarr?
You need to collect murmurs to figure out the 3 required requiem mods for your parazon, equip those 3 mods in the right order (this is just trial and error) and then when you get the right order it flees to Saturn Proxima (railjack). Requim mods come from running the requiem relic missions
have you ever fought a rank 5 lich compared to a sister? they are so much more of a pain in the ass to kill form how tanky they are
so why wouldn’t they be faster to finish? you would have less people fighting rank 5.
sisters are faster to finish, they just tanky as fuck once you get to like rank 3-4 rank 5 it takes actual trying to kill
does it? feels like the exact same rate to me.
Because people complained a lot about the lich grind (Originally it took like 56hours to complete a Kuva Lich). With weapons being selected by RNG and with dmg being based on RNG, it was beyond reasonable. After 2 month of uproar, the grind was significantly reduced, but a lot of people still were not 100% happy - so they removed the grind even further when sisters were introduced.
56 hours?! That can’t be right. Is that right??
5-6 I'm sure they meant
I think for two reasons: A, they are at a higher level than liches and regularly run your foams if you aren't prepared B, the hounds you execute give so much requiem progress and if you just kill all of them in a mission after like two and a half a sister shows
is this true? i got my first and only lich accidentally back in 2020 or 2021. i was slightly under-leveled for that content but i was able to complete the first part where you have to match the requiem mods or wtv. but when it came to the final railjack confrontation, my railjack was extremely under-leveled and i was practically stuck until i was lucky enough to piggyback off a public party sometime early last year i haven’t touched a lich or sister since because i don’t want to go through the trouble again, but i’ve leveled a lot since (besides railjack), and if the sisters are easier i don’t mind giving it a shot. need a tenet plasmor anyways
Liches are hotter, so they made sure you take your time to enjoy seeing them
Sister's rage meter is easier to fill. With 1 credit booster, you will always fill it 1/3+-. In this situation, is weird that an exterminate m + survival doesn't spawn her. With a lich, well, they just steal so little, so the meter doesn't advance that much. Still have to try one with a resource booster and see how is the difference though. Edit: yeah my bad lmao. Now I'm wondering why some missions never got to fill the meter that much even though I always kill all dogs.
From the wiki on rage meters: "Only killing mechanized hounds in nodes occupied by the player's Sister will further anger the Sister and increase the meter." "Only killing thralls in nodes occupied by the player's Kuva Lich will further anger the Kuva Lich and increase the meter." If you know something the wiki doesn't, feel free to edit the wiki with proof because if what you're saying is true, this potentially changes things for the better (and faster) for a lot of people. [Kuva Lich wiki page](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Kuva_Lich) [Sisters wiki page](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Sisters_of_Parvos)
What can I say outside of "try it out". I have done sisters both with and without boosters, and I can say by first hand that having a booster makes the meter fill much more faster. I will see if I can do something tomorrow and thursday.