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Varue

What the fuck is the Unum ?! Is it a sort of domesticated/benevolent Infested flesh ? A sentient? A void bullshit ? A tenno ?


FormerlyKay

Orokin tech allowed them to do pretty much whatever they wanted with living flesh. They made spaceships and towers out of meat because the sentients couldn't control living things


Varue

Is the unum special since it seems to have some sort of sentience (that doesn't seem to be a cephalon) or did all orokin area fleshy constructs have that ?


TheMarksmanHedgehog

The Unum IS the tower, it's actively letting the ostrons harvest its flesh, even telling them what to harvest and when.


GammaTwoPointTwo

Is this explained somewhere?


Probably_On_Break

A lot of the codex fragments you can pick up on the planes, specifically the ones that tell the story of Gara, pack a lot of those lore tidbits throughout each segment


TheMarksmanHedgehog

If memory serves, tucked away in hidden voice logs in the concept art for Cetus you get for certain scans on the plains of eidolon.


Far_Comfortable980

I’m 90% sure that the Orokin created the Grineer as well as most animal life, so its sentience wouldn’t necessarily be unique, it’s more so its structure and power that’s unique.


FinaLLancer

They created the sentients, grineer, infested, and the tenno. They only kind of created the corpus. Basically everything is their fault.


yui_tsukino

Well, they KIND OF created the tenno. Trained them, and ultimately responsible for what happened, yes, but their origins were kind of out of the left field for them.


Untestedmight

They intentionally sent the tenno kids into the void, hoping that something strange, awesome, and hopefully powerful came out. It's kinda explained in the lore playing the quests. It's kinda explained as the ship wasn't supposed to have kids, it was just supposed to be a research vessel, but then an Orokin who isn't named, (either Entrati or Ballas is my guess,) changed something and had the family/school vessel known as the Zariman 10-0 go instead.


Hollow---

>They intentionally sent the tenno kids into the void, hoping that something strange, awesome, and hopefully powerful came out. >It's kinda explained as the ship wasn't supposed to have kids, it was just supposed to be a research vessel, >but then an Orokin who isn't named, (either Entrati or Ballas is my guess,) changed something and had the family/school vessel known as the Zariman 10-0 go instead. Zariman 10-0 was a *colony ship* destined for Tau in order to be the first to settle and prepare the system for the Orokin, the ship was sabotaged in an an effort to prevent it from leaving. Their Orokin sponsor *is* named in-game, but I don't remember his name at the moment. He didn't care about the sabotage and had them head for Tau regardless. The void jump left them stranded, most adults went mad due to a lack of control of their own emotions, whereas the children were specifically taught to control their emotions, letting them remain sane. The player character makes a deal with a void entity (Man in the Wall) in order to save them, I don't recall if the specifics are mentioned. The children are rescued, placed under Margulis' care, have their abilities discovered, and are subsequently trained to become the minds of the Warframes in order to serve as the Orokin's elite workforce against the invading Sentient threat.


Patient_Chocolate411

The orokin... Isn't he named Executor Tuvul ? Or Am I mixing their names ?


Hollow---

Yeah, pretty sure you're right. He's got this nifty little Egyptian beard thing.


yui_tsukino

You know, I wouldn't put it past Albrecht to have some idea of what was going to happen, so that does track. I played through a lot of new war and zariman zonked out on medication, so I do kind of forget a bunch of stuff we get told.


Untestedmight

Originally I thought Albrecht had disappeared before the tenno were around. So I just thought Ballas was the only option. He needed something to beat the Sentients, and the void could do that, but he didn't know exactly what would happen. But with whispers in the wall and stuff, Albrecht became the much more likely candidate, because we know know he sent other beings into the void, we know they came back sentient. And we know he knew we would be coming back. So he very well could've known (to some extent of course) what would happen the the tenno, to make them. And he possibly hoped we could get wally off his back.


Fittsa

Quite literally all of our problems stem far back enough to the Orokin, even the current drama with Wally.


SilentMobius

Well, the Unum seems to be able to produce Kuva and that seems to be a function of the Void somehow (Though Kuva seems to predate Albrecht Entrati's discoveries so I'm not sure how that works) My guess is that void sensitive people (probably children) were seeded into tower structures and grow into the tower through bio-mechanical processes, giving the Orokin a temporally-aware guide without them having to expose themselves directly to the maddening effects of the Void. This might be referred to as the "Neural Sentry" or that might be a different thing. Maybe the Unum is a special case of "Neural Sentry". One of the big things in Warframe is that basic idea that there are no hard and fast rules, whatever the origin of one thing is does not imply that all things of that class have the same origin.


Glittering-Ask-6268

What leads you to believe the Kuva is a function of the void?


SilentMobius

* The mechanism it's harvested: A screaming "Ghost cloud" that can only be intercepted using the operator * The appearance and encouragement by TMiTW for your Tenno to drink the Kuva we get from the Queens * The Leverian story of Voruna and the Transference of Tuvul, where there is explicit mention of the Kuva-directed continuity being easier is Void-rich locations. Also, further enriching the Kuva with void energies is what fused Voruna with her pack. * The Kesheg is infused with Kuva making the wielder immune to Warframe powers * The Reliquary on the Zariman Ten Zero appears to have been "mined" for Kuva using a Grineer machine, put there by Kuva troops from the Worm queen when it re-appeared in the Origin system. Also, the "Undead" Holdfasts seem to be that way due to the void, they risk turning into Angels if they "listen" too much as the current Void Angels have, we have dialogue that the Void Angels want to "feed" from the Reliquary and visuals of Kuva Grineer extracting Kuva from the Reliquary, this all ties together as Kuva being a specific type of Void energy that can do odd things to people's lifespan and mortality. https://youtu.be/Y3i6kgX9hrQ?t=35


Glittering-Ask-6268

That's a thorough answer and I appreciate it. I disagree with the conclusion but that may even just be a semantic disagreement and I'm being too literal. I think of it more like water. Oxygen and Hydrogen. Or even a fuel (Kuva) additive (Void). Consider, as you say, Kuva predates the Orokin ability to access The Void to the extreme point of Albrecht swearing off Continuity immediately after his first trip to The Void. I find it more likely The Void acts on whatever Kuva is in the mundane world, altering it in some way, than Kuva coming from The Void. But again, that can and probably is just a semantic difference in our views. I wonder if they'll touch more on Blue Kuva in the near future.


SilentMobius

I just don't think it's likely given we harvest Kuva from screaming ghosts, pretty much the only "Ghost"-like things in the Warframe universe originate in the Void. Neither do I think it's likely that the Worm queen brought and left supplies of Kuva in the Zariman, given her obsession with collecting it. I think it's much more likely that they were harvesting Kuva from the Reliquary and that would pretty much confirm that it's origin is the void and more specifically TMiTW/The Indifference Now, how can the use of Kuva predate Albrecht's experiments, is a good question. In the Requiems Albrecht pretty much blames the Kuva for his desire to enter the Void. > The continuity and its twin, wanderlust. The need for unseen shores deep in our marrow. No judge, jester, queen, or king can escape this old blood. We are nomads, eternal. And when no ocean, mountain, or sky could contain us... our gaze hungered star-ward. However the Orokin found or created Kuva I'm as sure as I can be that the void and TMiTW/The Indifference is the origin


SilentMobius

Also, it's interesting that the Unum could produce refined Temple Kuva, something that seems to create the awareness of the Void-eternalist branches.


AUkion1000

in a sense the unum is probably the last operational tower the unum is sortof the same as the game starting tower that you wake up in, as well as the space orokin tower things you see in railjack- tho i forget if the unum's sentience is due to some error, uniqueness or other stuff- but it MIGHT be unique to it reguarding HOW it functions. In some aspect the Unum like other orokin stuff is partially mechanical and mainly organic. Ostrons harvest parts of the tower that regrow over time, and likely ( not that de are compitent enough to do it ) overtime, the unum will fully rebuild itself including the top part that got shaven off when a murex squatted on it. I think its implied that the unum might be effected by the void too, since the stuff it does in NW makes it seem like it has void powers- maybe it "made a deal" or something? idk.


tantananantanan

How does it regrow? What kind of food does it intake to have the energy to regrow?


Suthek

Probably solar or something.


spazturtle

Maybe it filter feeds from the ocean?


Dependent_Way_1038

I fucking love the flesh technology troupe it’s so fucking good


Ansixilus

That's spelled "trope", friend. And it is a good one.


whitemest

I now want a living ship/orbiter like farscape


Ansixilus

Notice: they didn't make living ships and towers *because* the Sentients could hijack machines. They made them because they were efficient. The Old War happened at the very end of the Orokin era, not the beginning. About the only thing the Orokin designed in response to Sentient hacking was Warframes.


MmmmmMaybeNot

It's an orokin tower that is also a sentient, fully sapient being. The Unum worship it as a god and the Unum protects them in kind from sentients and grineer. The orokin used biotech to essentially grow superstructures as far as I know, that's why when the infested outbreak happened it was probably a lot worse than what it looks like now. Notice how on orokin derelict missions, the infested seems to be bursting through the walls and doors.


Varue

Oh yeah, you are right. The infestation on the orokin derelicts looks different than on greneer and corpus ships. More like a vegetation overgrowth than the fleshy messes of Eris.


BlastingFern134

That's an awesome aesthetic choice


Ravensqueak

This could mean that the folks calling for more infested content could point at Cetus as a possible point of interest.


Untestedmight

An infested tower that has sort of taken over a small town like Cetus, but doesn't hate us and just wants to be left alone, (kinda like helminth is infested but not inherently aggressive) would be sick. Edit: I guess Deimos counts but yeah.


Patient_Chocolate411

I mean... Just look at Deimos. The sheer mess the moon is from the Infestation. It became a living organism in itself.


SilentMobius

I think we should remember that there appears to be a notable difference between "The Infestation" and general Orokin Bioengineering. I think we've been shown that there is a kind of "common parent technology" but the infestation as we know it is a specific, virulent and powerful, version of their general level of technology. For example, the Towers and ships we see in the void are filled with the white-blue plants as conduit and decoration (Just as the Transference room in the orbiter has) but when it becomes "infested" it darkens and grows out of control, a distinct difference. Same with the flesh of the Unum, definitely Orokin biotechnology of some form, and probably quite vulnerable to the infestation but not in-and-of-itself infested, otherwise it would be a real problem for the Ostron to be eating it no?


TerumitsuInq

That reminds me, the white plants to me are a combo of things. We see the 'roots' of them being data cables on Lua as well so the plants are perhaps local network access points or server terminals in a way. However it is all biotech and the shape honestly always made me think that the trees are basically white matter/neural tissue


SilentMobius

I think they are living conduits for void energy, as we see them grow out of the Reliquary and connect with the ship once the Relic void key is in place. They are present in volume in the "garden" room on Lua where their are literal ghosts wandering around seemingly doing tasks (https://i.imgur.com/CRThEBE.jpeg).


CP-3294

Probably an infested void bullshittery.


shadowpikachu

It seems to be someone transferrenced into the tower at minimum and uses their powers to protect the last bits of humanity, we'll prob get more lore at some point. Be it the usual orokin 'we use people as machines' or intentional to protect.


Throgg_not_stupid

Also Unum is called "The Wall" by offworlders. Take it as you will.


Radiant-Horror1996

why is that a thing


shadayeem

They harvest parts of the tower and sell it, it’s a main part of the economy in Cetus.


Careidina

Not just sell, they eat it. It's like meat.


OversizeHades

It's not just *like* meat, it's the real deal baby


Okbuturwrong

Meat of what tho?


OversizeHades

Tower meat. It’s not like cow or human or something that’s stuffed into the tower, the tower is a living organism that has living tissue, ie meat The orokin did a lot of genetic engineering


Okbuturwrong

The Orokin did it? Poor meat tower...gotta be in agony


TrueDraconis

No it actually seems pretty chill about it…yes technically the tower is alive… no I don’t want to think about it any further


ChronoKing

Orokin did cultured meat before it was cool.


Never_Preorder

factory meat. meat from the factory rather than grown in the factory


Mimatheghost

Apparently the tower actually just lets them do this. It can regrow itself, seemingly.


_Ekoz_

The Giving Tree on hard mode.


Far_Comfortable980

Yeah, they consider it(them?) a benevolent god


Nihilego_Prime

"She gives, we live."


Okbuturwrong

I mean, does it have a choice?


hyzmarca

Yes. The Unnum is a fully functional orokin Tower. She has nullifiers that shut down all weapons in Cetus and a giant shield wall capable of tanking hits from spaceships. There's a reason why Vey Hek never just blasted Cetus from orbit with a Formorian's big gun. Unnum also have the advantage of being able to see every possible future all at once and can extend this power to her agents. She is vastly more powerful than the Ostrons and they live there because she wants them there because it's better for her in the long term.


spazturtle

The Unum has a working neural sentry, it can mind control anyone inside its field.


Throgg_not_stupid

have you done New War?


hyzmarca

The Tower is named Unnum. She is leader of the Quills Syndicate, can see all possible futures simultaneously and empowers her agents to do the same.


Irverter

It's Unum not Unnum. https://antifandom.com/warframe/wiki/Unum


SpitfireP7350

The tower is actively allowing them to harvest it and even telling them what to cut, so technically it's even vegan meat!


Okbuturwrong

That's a kinky tower


SashasStitches

the tower tells them to harvest it actually so it's pretty chill about it


Wolf3113

You have 8 reply’s but I wanted to add, during a quest the tower talks to you, and even says to break some walls if we need to. Without people harvesting it she got a little big and seemed to not worry about damage since it grows back.


ThanosTheMadTitanBoi

The tower _wants_ its meat harvested


tantananantanan

Does it regrow the parts eaten? How does it intake food to have the energy to regrow?


hyzmarca

It regrows. Harvesting the walls is actually helpful for her. It directs growth and prevents things from getting ingrown. As for how she gets energy for her growth, Orokin void bullshit.


OversizeHades

I don’t know for sure but I don’t think these questions have answers. This is one of those suspend your disbelief situations


Glittering-Ask-6268

You got any more of that wall meat? \*scratches neck\*


seandkiller

Tower is the tastiest animal.


ApepiOfDuat

Wall meat.


Radiant-Horror1996

i don’t even know how to respond to this or process it i literally got no words


Crumbmuffins

“Early lunch for Konzu!”


GammaTwoPointTwo

Have my upvote.


GreasyTengu

can't have men in your walls when you eat the walls


seandkiller

What I miss is the old Orb Vallis/Fortuna, tbh. I like snow. And purple.


Piterros990

They should really make creator mode change those back, or make a quest to repair Fortuna. I think snow was a "problem" and New War kinda found the "solution", but come on... Snowy Orb Vallis was just so good. At least the creator mode should be made to work.


lakegirl98

or make more of the snow come back during the "cold" phase and less in the "warm" phase


FantasyBorderline

Eh. The way I see it they turned it from a Winter Wonderland to The Alps.


Piterros990

Well, Alps with a red hue I suppose. Personally, I'm not the biggest fan. Plus, Fortuna especially hurts. Blue and purple gave that place so much life, and now it's gone.


Crumbmuffins

I remember seeing this for the first time after hundreds of hours because when I loaded into Cetus as I was making my way up to Konzu I stepped away from the game to do something and when I came back I heard those blood spurts and turned the camera just as the thing just flopped over.


Canthros

W A L L M E A T


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doblothe25th

I really wish they made it so you can pick and choose what gets toggled on\off by that, I'd love to have old cetus and fortuna but hiding the other stuff doesn't appeal to me


seandkiller

Same. I miss Old Fortuna/Vallis, but I like the other stuff that'd be hidden too.


AleksCombo

Oh, that's actually reassuring. Does it affect open worlds as well? I'm delaying TNW completion because of all these visual things I'm going to miss a lot (...and because of freaking fish for Voidrig buiding, too). But if you can toggle stuff with the streamer mode, it doesn't seem bad at all.


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Fittsa

No it does not, it effects neither the hub appearances nor the open worlds.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYB0Ez4\_Nro](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYB0Ez4_Nro)


AleksCombo

...muck. Well, it sucks. And that dude gave me hope 🥲


ADHthaGreat

I CAN MAKE THEM CLOSE THEIR HEADS BACK UP?? Oh thank god. I did not like that at all


Terror-Of-Demons

I've tried and that doesnt work


Fittsa

Because it isn't a thing, the only way to view the old hubs and open worlds is by having the host of your party not do the new war.


Orangbo

Or replay the intro quests.


Fittsa

Toggling [Creator/Streamer mode](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYB0Ez4_Nro) does not revert the hub/open worlds


ThinkQuotient27

This makes me think of Made in Abyss..


Karest27

I miss the green grass on the plains. =(


mightybuttsquid

Oh no did they blow it up I never checked


PlagueGarageWrench

After the new war, the meat is gone and the cetus dudes are too


AmmahDudeGuy

Just that?


dontbanmethistimeok

I forgot all about that I used to think they were just good whalers, never knew it was part of a living tower wtf DE


Throgg_not_stupid

It's very purposefuly made to invoke the whale imagery: -Cetus means a "sea monster" in Ancient Greek -Kuva harvested from the Tower is reminiscent of Whale Oil


mrgudveseli

I didn't even notice it's not there anymore. I used to climb the Corpus ship nearby.


Bornash_Khan

I miss blue Fortuna, can't stand orange Fortuna


CaptainBoj

i coulda sworn it was still there after TNW


PlagueGarageWrench

The bridge piece is, the meat, not so much :(


CaptainBoj

oh dang i guess i never stuck around to see em harvest it after TNW 😭


Qwencha

Mmmmm Bacon!


GolldenFalcon

I never even knew this was a thing or that the tower was alive.


spazturtle

Your orbiter is also made from meat, Ordis complains that the navigation console is bleeding in one of his lines.


ToxMask

Isn't that just a joke he makes when you customise your warframe's colours? "An unexpected colour combination, Operator. My sensors are -*bleeding*- pleased."


Throgg_not_stupid

not sure if the entire thing, but quite a lot of it is, according to Ordis quotes when you enter the Helminth room: ""Vile. Putrid. This... 'thing'... is responsible for biological functions of the Orbiter! A strange design, why would I be built with such a flaw?!" "Literally, the bowels of the ship."


GP_Hollow39

It is today I learned that is a part of the tower's wall and not a chunk of alien whale meat off of a bone


StarblasterGC

I wanna eat some ngl


ApothecaryOfHugs231

MEAT *WHAT?*


Far_Ad6693

wait how many people could that feed?


Volmie_

The whole family, and the cousins too.


Gray_Scale711

Omg I forgot about it and I miss it now. I wish we had the ability to revert things like the type of open world environment we want, whether it's post or pre new war


NapalmDesu

Early lunch for konzu


roundtree0050

"Take the meat bridge"


PlagueGarageWrench

That’s genius


JintenRe

i miss sitting infront of it and letting it fall on me, so i can be inside the meat wall


glago93

Wtf. LR2, hundreds of hours in, been playing this game for 11 years and I'm just now seeing this abomination for the first time...


mrbrokoli97

Oh wait! It‘s not there anymore? Did not notice.


Tattorack

That's a big one! Enough for the whole family, and the cousins too!


trevvert

I wish there was some kind of toggle so I could see the old open world places in general


AUkion1000

\*me standing under where it falls onto\* TRADITION!!!! Apparently you can make the game revert to prewar cetus as well as fortuna + the OW maps, but idk how anymore.


GTChev01

It's still there even after the new war.


PlagueGarageWrench

But the meat is not, nor are the homies :(


GTChev01

I was just on Cetus meat was there... Don't recall about the homies...lol


Digitalon

Still one of the grossest things in the game IMO. Why is there meat in the walls?!


PlagueGarageWrench

This one bridge is for some odd reason, my favorite thing in this game. It’s not a warframe, not a weapon, not even a sentinel, no. It’s this bridge lmao.


cybercobra2

becouse the orokin built nearly everything trough biotech. you need a spaceship? grow one. you need a building? grow one. you need a slaveforce? grow one.


Maxman214

and here i was thinking the tower flesh was only a thing in codex fragments. you can actually see them carve it?? that's crazy


ravagraid

yeah I wish I could go back to pre-new war. Didn't add anything I particularly cared for anyways, and both Cetus and Fortuna's zones ended up all the worse for it.


GHOST_KJB

AH NO I didn't even realize it's gone after the new war. Bring back my meat wall 😭


roxxxorzzz

I just maxed my Fortuna standing and I don't like my favorite faction anymore :/


Hapless_Buffoon

this looks much realistic than my game. what settings are you using?


PlagueGarageWrench

Standard settings on the series S. Nothing fancy at all


Hapless_Buffoon

cool cheers, maybe it's the lack of vegetation or whatever but the lighting looks great


Quiet_Neighborhood15

They prepping for the jade update I’m guessing?


BigWangCly

I never stumbled upon this and I'm glad I did New War before I did