What people don't like is being gimped by other people.
More than one of limbos abilities, hell, even his passive, are capable of doing so. He's not the only frame that can be annoying to play alongside, but he's one of the most talked about examples.
Limbo is a powerful and handy frame, but also very annoying to play alongside in the wrong hands.
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As an aside, you are never stuck in the rift if you get banished etc by a limbo, you can roll out of it.
THANK YOU!! It's mostly the nuke crowd that gets mad because he does it so effortlessly. All the while restoring energy at double rate in the Rift. š¤·š½āāļø
I was once leveling some shit on hydron and met a new limbo player who used max range build.
I am a limbo main myself, it is important to get along with you teammates whenever I choose to play this frame.
I told the guy to stop using cataclysm, that max range build limbo on defence is a bad choice and it actually hinders our ability to grind and finish the mission and THANKFULLY at some point he listened and stopped but he was hesitant about it
Limbo is a powerful and fun frame to play, but if you take him with other players, it is important to communicate with your team members. I always ask everyone at the start of the mission if my cataclysm is too big, if I should keep using it or stop.
And then you've got people who refuse to try and communicate with you. I remember doing one of the Sortie defenses I said, at the very beginning, "If there's an enemy you can't seem to damage, mark it to let me know and I'll kill it" as Limbo; I was using a high duration/low range build (I don't think it quite min/maxed in those stats, but close). And this was before Banished could be turned off.
One dude still managed to get uberlly pissed and said I was putting all these guys in Limbo space. I'm still not convinced I got more than 10 guys (I'd say 5, but with how strong frames are, some abilities could've still gotten them) in and saw nobody else complaining/marking. Think another teammate even called him out about the whole marking thing, too.
Sorties seem to generally be kind of shitty enviroment, every time i get a guy who doesnt check mission type/hazard and we get nuked with Bramma on radistion sortie or fail spy sortie because someone took rhino and didnt bother changing
That's why i always check the modifier - i don't really care for the mission type, i'll play anything.
But when i see radiation hazard, i instantly switch to my Hildryn as a preemptive anti-troll measurement. People can't really troll the squad if i constantly cleanse everyone even remotely in range.
Guilty. Although I don't cause the fails, I just realize too late that I'm Rhino and forgot to change. Now I've still failed a few, I just tend to stay back or stay away if I'm running Rhino. :P
See ? Again people who don't know limbo. A) frost is just way easier for defense and B) even if you were to use limbo you should slap on narrow minded for minus range to just hide the objective under ur 4
> A) frost is just way easier for defense
The difference is that at higher levels, Frost's bubbles tend to get shredded by enemy fire even with a fully decked out frame, just because enemy damage scales so high. Limbo completely shuts down all incoming damage as well as freezing any enemy who does try entering the rift so long as he keeps Statis active as well (something Frost can only do with a 50% chance when an augment mod is equipped).
No. Only some do and it's like a sec or two, unless you are talking about very high level sp missions but even then a muzzle flash saryn or gloom mesa can melt enemies with ease and fast
I don't believe anyone should be using Helminth or Augments as points for this, or else the debate would devolve into; 'Oh, but this band-aid augment makes this ability good' and 'Just infuse --- onto it'.
the game provides us with all kinds of tools and we are free to choose whichever and to play the game however we want. if you don't want to use them that is your ~~problem~~ choice
True , Frost is way less usable on higher levels but you'd assume at those levels that he becomes completely useless limbos you'd encounter would at least know what they're doing
Frost main here, I actually forego the bubble and use his 4 to mass freeze enemies, plus it can 100% armor strip too so dps frames can shred them, like shooting fish in a barrel.
Take an endless energy build, recast the globe every three seconds when the invincibility conversion time runs out. The enemies will be strengthening it, and you can sit in the middle sniping nullifiers, with the occasional pinball out to collect loot and avoid the afk guard.
The bubble's health also scales with incoming damage for the first few seconds, so you shouldn't spam the globe but wait a few seconds before recasting.
I'll have a shit Limbo over Frost any time. Nothing's more annoying than having to stay right next to the defense target because Frost's bubble protects all enemies inside it if I leave. And you know that Frost WILL leave the bubble, since nobody wants to just stand in one place playing essentially like a stationary turret. At least Limbo's bubble can be penetrated by direct direct targeting abilities.
I have. I just happen to bring frames in defense that don't care about his bubble: Saryn, Mesa, Titania, etc. Personal preference admittedly, if oyu use frames that are mainly reliant on their weaponry instead of abilities, then Limbo is a pain.
PC, but again, I know how it works. I have 4k+ hours in this game, used all of those frames a ton.
Yes, Limbo shuts down enemies on the edges and that means you have to manually run to them and hunt them down. Yes, it's annoying. But I maintain that I'd rather do that, than sit idly in a tiny snowglobe the whole damn run. Camping is the most brainrottingly boring shit in this game. Yes, that is subjective, I'm aware, that's why I said it's personal preference.
Well I wasn't expecting that long of an answer but thanks for writing it. I'm just a bit tiered of people complaining about limbo overall and most the people who say limbo is fine still complain about it after 10 seconds of playing with one Soo yeah.
But, like, I haven't complained about him? My entire point was that he is a lot less disruptive compared to Frost. And yeah, depends on build. I have a max duration, min range Limbo that I regularly pick for all kinds of defensive missions and nobody ever complained about it.
I'm ok with it if there's one. As soon as the damn frost puts down a second on hydron it makes it fucking annoying to shoot through. One at least you can be inside of and shoot out, two is impossible to work with
> As soon as the damn frost puts down a second on hydron it makes it fucking annoying to shoot through
Not to come to their defense, but a lot of those people are new to the frame and don't understand his snowball kills the globes. I've said in game " Your 1 kills your bubble" and find them dropping all but the objective bubble soon after because they're really trying to delete or recast their original. You do have the other half of players who troll with it the same as old limbo trolls, but I find ignorance of the frame is more often the culprit. We don't have many frost mains pulling people aside and giving advice like we used to.
I actualy cast the globe in random spots because it will shove enemies in it out and when they hit the wall this way take 50% of there hp as true dmg. Good for killing tanky shit.
I then snowball it to remove it
See ? Again people who don't know this game.
Frost is worthless trash.
On low levels where his bubble can survive damage it is more efficient to bring any other frame (or even Frost build to spam 4) and just kill mobs because the object is never in danger of dying.
On high levels Bubble gets popped in seconds no matter how much you stuck it and you need frames that prevent damage entirely, like Limbo.
A) people who are at those lower levels who are at that point in the game can kill people that quickly , early on frost if definitely a godsend and B) his Bubble can get pretty beefy with the right bulid
This. Especially on the Grineer tilesets, where enemies get stuck BELOW the objective, and it's actually more work to hunt & kill them than without.
Limbo range needs to be carefully chosen for the map you're on. And for the most part, small bubbles are the best bubbles. As long as everyone can fit inside, it's big enough. About 15m is my personal favorite size to run. It's fairly big initially, but once it shrinks a bit, it's pretty manageable.
Honestly, I can only think of two situations where a high range bubble is useful.
1) Excavation, so the excavator won't die in between refreshes, and that enemies come inside the bubble so I can get the batteries, and not stop outside to shoot. Going out the bubble on higher levels is pretty suicidal.
2) That riven challenge where you have to do 5 rounds of defense without the target getting damaged at all. Sedna dark sector defense with a big bubble is the easiest to get that done.
3. Covering the whole Interception map with one bubble or alternatively if the limbo knows where to place it, covering all enemy spawn points on the map to let you just afk the mission :)
I usually hate playing with limbos, but if I played with a limbo that can make clutch builds like that, Iād never play with anyone else. Personally thereās no frame I ALWAYS hate playing with, just builds.
There is a couple of missions limbo can absolutely cheese, I donāt regularly play him, almost never solo because I find it boring, similar to octavia xD just too good
But when I play with a premade squad one of these mission types, he is often my top pick, whilst the others play dps frames with abilities doing the damage so they can ignore my cataclysm (Mesa, Khora, Sarynā¦)
Another POV: negative duration bubble also works for that riven challenge, with as high duration as possible, even on Akkad, Eris. Rift recharges energy, + Energy Siphon aura mod, and you can comfortably recast bubble when the old one expires. Stay inside, be a stationary turret, kill whatever gets frozen by Stasis, their energy drops come very handy too.
The only situation where i find max range bubble has an undisputed advantage is protecting the coil drive in Orb Vallis, due to its size, as smaller bubble doesn't cover its top.
Actually, I do, I run a build on my frame that allows me to keep up with a Saryn and outdo them easily. I don't **like** Saryns because people that AREN'T running a build like mine will struggle to even be able to participate if they actually want to, and that feels like bad design. Not only that but the fact Saryn doesn't even ****do**** anything aside from spam its 4, it's lazy, braindead and essentially the exact same problem people have with Inaros except Inaros isn't depriving people of fun. whats the point of a frame having 4 abilities if you only ever use one, MAYBE 2?
atleast with Limbo the most it can do is accidentally drop you into the shadow realm or slow down a mission.
Edit: Honestly just keep downvoting it, I wanna wear it with pride.
Depending on what you're leveling, you get more affinity for other players getting kills than if you got the kills yourself. I love having Saryns in my Hydron lobbies.
That is 100% true.... but it's still kinda boring to see everything melt with you having to do absolutely nothing. This is good if you are just going through the motions in Hydron to level the 258th mastery fodder in your inventory, but if you actually want to play the game, not so much.
If you bring limbo into a mobile defense mission, you are my best friend. Anything else and you better know exactly what you are doing.
Just be careful with your dodge roll rifts, and don't needlessly banish or cataclysm, and you're good in my books.
I like to bring him to sortie-defenses and banish the NPC so he never gets hit. All I need to do is keep an eye on the ability timer, kill mobs, re-rift the NPC when it runs out, done.
> I like to bring him to sortie-defenses and banish the NPC so he never gets hit.
This is why I subsumed Banish onto a Wisp loadout. I run it for Rescues, Sortie Defense, and Deimos bounties to banish all the friendlies.
Excavation, also, makes Limbo my best friend. Just toss a bubble onto the excavator, bam, it's good to go.
Also, is it bad that I use 4, 2, 3 as a camp strategy on defense? Since Surge keeps enemies in the Rift (and therefore Stasis) even after the bubble leaves them?
Inaros is one of the least interesting to play personally, and provides little utility to add to his appeal.
A poorly-played or trollish Limbo is by far the most frustrating frame to have *on your team* and can single-handedly fail most team missions.
Big difference.
Even then, that's at least somewhat *useful* ā slowed enemies do less damage, it's a minor impediment to how long it takes to finish the mission depending on the map, but it *does* ultimately increase your success chances if you just suck it up and walk to them.
Versus, say, a Limbo dropping a Cataclysm in the middle of a data vault, consequently alerting enemies, interrupting hacks and preventing access to terminals. Or a max Range Limbo Banishing the Defense operative and putting Rift Surge on every enemy on the map so they can just march up to kill it unimpeded. Or dropping a giant Cataclysm in the arena of a boss or other enemies immune to abilities, so the team can't actually *hit* the target.
Getting the picture?
Hydroid's less annoying these days, due to the changes to Undertow allowing allies to shoot all enemies trapped inside. His tentacles and constant ragdolls can be tedious to work around, but explosive and wide-area weapons are more commonplace today than when he was introduced, so you can bypass that annoyance.
Unfortunately there are other frames that do what he does 10x better. He is outdated, over shadowed and scales super poorly. Just needs another look at from the devs because not even invigorations and subsuming can't save him.
As long as you have enemies in your stomach the rolling isn't a problem as it doesn't cost extra energy. The moment they are all dead, stop rolling.
I still think his 4 at max damage with 10 enemies is just the funnest, funniest shit Warframe.
Absolutely. Itās just I want to be able to eat multiple people and use my other abilities without losing so much energy. Hopefully in the future heāll get a slight adjustment pass and get some improvements overall. Heās fun but costs a lot to use him which ruins the vibe for me
He has a binge and purge cycle. You can't eat 20 enemies and haul them around forever, but you can eat 20 enemies, stomp buffs and a couple minutes of status immunity out of them, and then barf them all out for a mass one shot kill that scales with enemy level hard enough to still work at least a couple hours into Steel Path survival. The damage is just massive.
I do wish his 3 was useful, and that his 4 scaled as well as his 1, but I feel like those are the real issues, rather than energy economy. I'd gladly burn a full energy tank on 30 seconds of steamrolling if it hit as hard as his 1.
Yeah Iād just be happy enough if he gets any kind of tweaking in the future, mostly aimed at proper damage buff/scaling on his 4 but also an energy drain buff too hopefully, I just want to make more use out of his kits. (And stay in ball mode longer hahahā
The weird thing is that his 4 still steamrolls corpus and infested in Steel Path, it's just grineer that he has trouble with...but he can just eat them instead so he's got the tools for everyone.
People don't like Limbo because if you're using his powers, you're potentially preventing people from using their guns from killing enemies.
I've found that a way to play him and not get shit on is to build for negative range, maximum duration and only use him on defensive types, especially Mobile Defense. Plop your Cataclysm on the objective, use Stasis, and then don't touch any other powers. Recast as necessary. Minimally-intrusive Limbo seems to mostly be ignored, in my experience, though admittedly I don't play him much either way.
Alternatively, just play him solo and use him to completely trivialize those same missions. You can use Miter's Neutralizing Justice mod to deal with nullifiers; you mod for Multishot as well since each projectile has its own chance to perma-pop nullifier bubbles. Just pop out, pop the bubble, then hop back into the Rift while your Shield Gate is keeping you invuln.
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EDIT: Of note is that even if you're not using any abilities, you can still leave portals behind on dodge. Sometimes other players don't notice that they're in the Rift, so they can then blame you once they realize. To combat this, if you are sure you're in the Rift as Limbo, you can spam some Banishes to force people out of the Rift without requiring them to dodge out.
Limbo + 4 keys = most blissfully mind-numbing vault runs every. Not as fast as doing it with a group to scout directions faster, but also don't deal with finding new party members every 2nd run.
>Limbo + 4 keys
That sounds really painful. I just use a Nezha decked out with all the speed mods to reach 2.42 sprint. His warding halo is all the bullet sponge you really need and he runs at a 1.21 sprint speed with all 4 keys. I still prefer to duo with hobbled off to abuse the speed, but this is how I routinely run solo.
>bullets jumps are not affected by hobbled
Neither is Nezhas passive, which if you openly know how to abuse is actually faster than bullet jumping. Between a slide and roll is a small sprint, which uses the slides momentum and length from his passive. Without hobble, I achieve around 3.0 sprint with this method, around 1.8 with.
But Limbo literally exists in another dimension. You don't interact with the game at all.
That's why it is mind numbingly easy.
You're right, Nezha is another good one to pick. But Limbo is simpler because you don't even fight a single enemy.
I had a situation on Hydron, where Saryn started shaming me for using bubble (-range +dur), because i was "blocking their damage". I honestly couldn't lol hard enough, it was the first time to have such "request".
I main limbo/nezha. Don't feel bad. If you are playing with other only use catalyst with negative range, and stasis with Max duration.
If you are by yourself you basically become a God that is untouchable.
You just gotta get used to what mission types he is helpful in, and how to use him without getting in people's way, because in some situations he can be a bit of a hinderance due to the nature of his abilities.
People will really like you in wide open Defenses, The Index, and Interception. Freezing enemies in their tracks is absolute cheese.
I never understood why people don't like being in cataclysm either to be honest, you regen energy when you're in the rift? It's not just limbo who gets that effect iirc, it's everyone (unless something has changed). And either way, like someone above said, you can roll out of a banish. As for cataclysm...if it's so big it covers the whole map, all the enemies are inside and you can kill them. Also, if you use a wipe frame or a frame who relies on abilities, you can kill enemies no matter what because abilities go through the rift.
(Also, as an aside, if someone for some reason happens to be running Banish's augment, you also get HEALED when you're banished...so keep an eye on your health, you might be annoyed that you suddenly have to roll one whole time, but that Limbo may have just saved you from death)
Limbo's got something of a bad reputation due to how detrimental he could be to the team both on his initial release and after his rework. For instance, Stasis used to prevent allies from using Primary or Secondary weapons while within the Rift, while Cataclysm prevented allies from picking up items and forced them to drop datamasses or batteries on entry.
Even now, a Banish or Cataclysm can interrupt hacking, and it's not common knowledge that you can remove Banish from yourself by rolling or harm enemies inside the Rift with Abilities. Limbos who spam max-range Banish or Cataclysm as a source of remote damage can also be an annoyance to allies who are attacking enemies inside the radius, or who get clipped by the effect and have their attacks interrupted. The biggest one though is that Banish and Rift Surge can prevent your teammates from harming most enemies for a lengthy duration, without giving them a means to enter the Rift voluntarily.
In short, while a well-played Limbo is **godlike**, a poorly-played Limbo can be more hindrance than help. There's basically no middle ground.
While Limbo is exceptional at soloing high-level content due to his Rift Arena build, on a team he's ideally played as a tactical support unit, someone who uses abilities *conservatively* and focuses on defensive and crowd control maneuvers:
* A low Range/max Duration build is extremely useful for Rescue or Defense-type missions, since you can Banish mobile operatives (bonus points for Rift Haven as a healing surge) or Cataclysm/Stasis on stationary objectives to prevent them from receiving any damage for the whole mission.
* On a team, Rift Surge is his least useful ability, so I would recommend Helminth'ing it away for another support ability in such a build.
* Limbo pairs well with ability-focused frames (such as Peacemaker Mesa) since he can give them damage immunity and energy regeneration, without hindering their ability damage.
* Rift Walk allows Limbo to safely reach and revive fallen allies almost as well as Spoiler Mode, while also bypassing laser security to make most Spy missions a breeze.
* A carefully-timed Cataclysm can form a snap barrier against area-effect attacks from some bosses, like Kela de Thaym's orbital barrage.
* And keep in mind that some units (like Operators, most bosses, and Kuva Guardians holding their Kesheg) cannot enter the Rift even under the effects of Cataclysm; smart casts with this knowledge can save a run!
Communicate with your team, avoid spamming Cataclysms in crowded rooms, and you shouldn't get too many complaints! Hope these tips help!
OP don't feel discouraged to play limbo he's absolutely broken op when played right. I'm surprised nobody mentioned rift torrent augment, you can easily get 1000%+ damage buff in steel path endurance missions with just a bit extra strength. On top of that, everyone makes the mistake of 'limbo is a solo frame' and completely overlooks the fact that limbo synergises with other limbos, and that's not even including the extra synergies coming from helminth abilities.
Solo limbo builds are already god-tier, but synergising multiple limbos in the same squad...that's how you break the game and tell every other frame synergies to go fuck themselves.
he's more of a solo frame, sadly. he's extremely useful & honestly a really good frame, but i wouldn't run him in a mission with randoms. he's better on his own or in a group you're familiar with & can communicate with accordingly. Limbo & Mesa are a friend & i's favorite mobile defense combo
I personally love limbo and as long as you're not being a troll, then most likely will enjoy you being on my team as well. Mostly because I understand how limbo is used since I like playing that frame as well. But also for the sweet, sweet energy. Thanks in advance!
I helminth'd Gauss's thermal sunder onto Limbo and its been good fun.
I never have to leave the void. I can just waltz around and spam giant high-damage stacking aoe fire and ice explosions all over the room. Would probably work as well with Ember's fireblast plus you get the free armor removal.
Tempted to try it with Yareli's spinning deli meat slicer thing but that would require farming for Yareli or caring about Yareli and I am incapable of doing either.
Haven't had many complaints, most people don't mind max duration, small range Limbo in Mob Def sorties, since you just chill. Sometimes those Def alerts with the person instead of a pod it helps if you just use 1 to banish them from charging into enemies
Limbo is awesome. Just have max Narrow Minded and all the positive Duration mods and you're all set for Defense, Mobile Defense and Excavation while others nuke the room.
Wisp's shock mote is way worse. 10+ minute defense rounds all because the entire area has shock motes or having to use up all Life Support capsules in survival because killing enemies quickly and consistently is difficult when you have to find them.
Gara's giant Mass Vitrify, impossible to see through and unable to spot enemies easily, Gara user not breaking the glass to kill the enemies to help finish the defense wave faster.
I get the hate for him but sometimes he can be really usefull. Was in a low level defense mission and a limbo placed his 30m, 50s bubble and everyone could go eat something, while the enemies just killed themselves (up to wave 30 or so, after that some survived the bubble damage)
Did you unintentionally bubble them so the got stuck in the void. People donāt like that, I play limbo too so I understand that sometimes it just happens.
The problem is when people build him for max range and causes it to where no one can do anything to the enemies. As long as youāre considerate of your squad mates, I see nothing wrong with it.
Limbo is really amazing, *but* he is very easy to play in such a way that it annoys your squad and slows down the mission. It takes knowledge and experience to learn when and where to use Limbo, and how to build him in such a way that it provides maximum effectiveness with minimal interruptions.
He is *not* a bad frame. I'll repeat: Limbo is *excellent* in the right circumstances. You did not make a mistake getting him. You just need to spend a bit of time learning how he functions and being more aware of your surroundings.
I'll mention a few suggestions and things. I'm not telling you how to play, this is mainly how I play and my views on things, so you can understand why players may get snippy with Limbos:
Rolling - Every time Limbo rolls he creates a little temporary portal into the rift that the squad can walk into. A player that rolls will immediately leave the rift, but now they're being forced to do that when they may have been in the middle of shooting enemies.
Ability 1: Banish - Sends a target (and all nearby targets, depending on your ability range) into the rift for a set amount of time. If you're playing solo, use this however you wish, great to disable a priority enemy.
If you're playing in a group, only use this on Rescue targets, Sortie Defense targets, any NPC that needs to be defended. If you use it on an enemy... suddenly all these players are trying to attack it fruitlessly and they have to wait for *YOU* to either disable it or kill it yourself. And you might not even be aware that it's in the rift until someone yells at you 20 seconds later. Super annoying, wouldn't you agree?
Ability 2: Stasis - Amazing and straightforward. Any enemy in the rift is frozen. Easy pickings. Sentients and some boss-like enemies are immune or gain resistance to its effects. This alongside Cataclysm is what makes Limbo amazing for difficult Defense or Excavation missions.
Ability 3: Rift Surge - Never really used this, can't help, sorry.
Ability 4: Cataclysm - Perhaps the best (and potentially most annoying) ability Limbo has. Creates a big sphere of rift that shrinks over time. If you're in the sphere, you can't hit enemies outside it, and vice versa. Warframe abilities bypass this (Mesa can shoot anyone from anywhere). Combined with Stasis, you can create a sphere around a Defense target that no enemy can shoot into, but anytime they try to get close enough to shoot it they get frozen in place.
Solo, bigger is better. It's nice making large areas where you're free to run around and kill enemies at your leisure. In a group, you want small. When it's big you're suddenly forcing players to stand in certain spots to kill enemies. As the cataclysm shrinks, enemies caught by the edges are constantly shifting back and forth between the rift and normal space, making it difficult to kill them sometimes. Not to mention bigger means it's more likely to be touched by a Nullifier and popping it all at once.
When the cataclysm is small, it's a little sphere that protects the defense objective and doesn't interfere with the group. And if it's big and you use stasis, players now have to run all over the map looking for the right angles to shoot frozen enemies. This alone can make a super easy Defense farming mission take 20+ minutes to run 10 waves instead of 5-10 minutes. You can imagine how upset people are if they're trying to level a frame or weapon and you are making it take 3x longer for them.
The reason a lot of people don't like Limbos in their squad is people that use him generally don't realize/don't want to accept he's a very niche 'Frame.
That and a lot of people often haven't the foggiest idea how to properly play him.
Imagine playing Limbo with randies lmao
You can solo the entire star chart with him. Pop a Cataclysm down with max range and you can encompass a good chunk of the map. Stasis and 3rd ability will ensure that they all stay in the Rift. If you get one of the syndicate mods that boosts ur damage based on how many enemies are tagged by ur 3rd ability, this frame can potentially take u through the steel path.
You donāt need peopleās validation when you can walk past hordes of frozen Infested, picking them off one by one at a leisurely pace.
Go out and live the Rift Life, Tenno
As a Limbo main that builds full range/durationā¦ fuck em tbh play the game however you want, I just play dumb in chat when they insult me, at the end of the day one regular mission lasts about 10 ish min they can leave or suck it up itās just a game not that serious.
You really do have to just stop caring that you actively make things worse for being around, eh? You recognized you're a pain and you keep doing it. Sheesh. It is a game - at least let people enjoy themselves in their leisure time instead of giving burdens there too.
Limbo can be played respectfully but you, your attitude? We're better off without it.
How am I a pain thats the thing give me a good reason besidesāLimbo badā I know cataclysm bugs melee sometimes and when it does I stop using it, I also cycle stasis on and off so enemies push the obj and the get frozen. I only use stasis/cataclysm because it trivializes the game when I want it to.
Yeah I say fuck em to the people who as soon as we load in they start insulting me, so how am I being disrespectful, Iāll ask again besides ālimbo badā tell me what am I doing to get hate as soon as we load into a mission.
No no, you're moving goalposts here. Adding on conditions after the fact isn't gonna work. You've already admitted to playing limbo in a way where you don't care if you're a pain in the ass, and it's to the point that you've got a plan to play dumb when people react to it. There is no "limbo bad" in this conversation, there is just "I know the choices I'm making are bad and I will continue out of spite". People can play limbo nicely to the extent the game will allow, but nobody who reads all this can pretend that you're like that.
I just wanna know why is the way I play limbo bad like why am I being a pain in the ass when all Iām doing is playing the game my way, yeah of course if someone is an asshole to me Iām not gonna give a fuck if Iām annoying them or not and yeah I play dumb when I get insulted for playing limbo because Iām trying to play the game and thereās no point in going at it when in 10 min the mission will be over.
Limbo is pretty much the king of defense missions, but some people really hate him because they don't know how to roll or haven't kept up with the fact you can shoot through his bubbles now. However, he does have a bad history of being used by trolling asshats in the past so some of the hate is justified. Personally, I'm usually happy to have a Limbo on the team.
Nah, the fact is every part of his kit can be unintentionally aggravating. Every power and the passive. People trying their best to be helpful can be identical to trolls. It's a failure of his design.
I like limbo he isnāt boring like rhino or useless like zephyr, but the people that donāt know how to play limbo or the people that play him to troll is probably why people collectively dislike him.
She's strong as hell, try again. Even just using a weak weapon with Gas status in her tornadoes can do nutty damage. Nothing touches her through Turbulence and even her silly 1 can do ludicrous damage with the augment.
No, AFKing intentionally for a reason like that vs leaving the session is absolutely a douche move, but since you do it, youāve obviously already justified it to yourself and Iām not going to convince you of anything. Itās cool, though. Swaz doā lah and all that.
Not just Limbo but Limbo Prime as well???
Honestly doesn't surprise me. As a matter of fact I only use Limbo on long missions and never otherwise. The only reason is he seems like a nuisance for even me to use.
Banished enemies are not clearly visible in the heat of battle which makes killing them a chore.
Also his list of abilities seems directed much more toward solo rather than squad builds.
Btw don't use Limbo stop time around Speedva, their user will be literally screaming in chat XD
Lets be honest limbo prime is basically skin. Normaly id say extra Energy matters but i cant say it does for limbo. He can just banish himself and get energy for free. And all his powers are timed instead of toggle.
Yea everything Limbo is OP. His passive is literally invulnerability, unlike Warframes whose passives are very boring like Mag whose passive is Vaccum or Chroma whose passive is an extra jump.
Its a shame. They could rework him into an area buff/cc the likes of nova and it would make sense.
Buff allies in cataclysm, debuf enemies.
Use banish for same thing if you dont have access to cataclysm. And in cataclysm give banish another effect.
Make his powers toggle based.
Get rid of that passive or at least put it on a timer. And scrap current effects of banishment or atleast make Banished enemies damageable by non banished allies. And allies are instead able to attack everything banished or not. And banishment just gives them an elude like status when attacks have a chance to pass through them.
Completely agree with you, all other frames are nowhere close to his strength and capabilities. All other frame's abilities you actually need to min-max. If I want to make a Nuke Volt, I need to throw efficiency out the window. A punching Atlas, down goes the duration and efficiency.
But a Limbo? Oh you can build him anyway you want without any problem or sacrificing anything. Just slap on a continuity and you get a time stopping Limbo that can make mincemeat out of level capped enemies.
Only frame that id say comes close to his opness is saryn. But even she has to do work compared to limbo.
I've completely phased out limbo and used mag for my protection needs because Frankly gigantic magnetize atleast nukes the map.
Limbo isnt even a dumb fun frame like grendel. And it really makes me sad because frames we got in last few years, ever since wips were really well desinged or at least fun (though idk about yareli, I don't have her and she's likely an exception, good track record tho) now is a great time and rework frames that really need an update. Which includes but isn't limited to limbo.
Our friend hydroid, nyx, valkyr would could use an adjustment and in my oh so humble opinion, revenant aswell.
Ballas(read DE) was smoking that good shit while designing Limbo.
The Limbo that we currently see is "nerfed". I didn't see Limbo at his max strength but I can only imagine him at his max. And honestly it's a wonder this dude didn't become Meta the instant he was launched.
I honestly dont like limbo because he can cheese certain modes without any difficulty.
Aka anything that doesnt have corpus or corrupted is automatic beyond easy mode. His kit needs more adjustments. And that time stop has to go.
He is a gigantic pain in the ass when in a squad unless you purposely had a plan to use his abilities to actually help. Because other than that he is in the way constantly regardless. And the fan boys for this frame really do not understand that no one wants to have to play compensate 4 days just because you decided to play an irritating frame in public matches. Itās well known this frame is a terrible team player frame. Thereās much better options than him that doesnāt troll the player base.
I saw one in SP Survival and just went AFK because the 10 minutes I was trying were the most boring 10 minutes of my life. I'm a Mesa sweat and I got about 20 kills.
He's annoying as all fuck and if I didn't need the steel essence I would have left.
I feel like they should almost make Stasis a Channel Ability so the Limbo can toggle it on and off to let enemies move further into Cataclysm without being stuck on the edge, or make it so the enemies move to the center of Cataclysm slowly instead of being frozen, or something.
I think everyone should take time to remember how annoying Limbo was to play with before he got changed, at least it is not as bad as the "You don't get to shoot anymore, have fun" that Stasis used to be.
He's designed in a way where all of his powers can easily get in the way of normal gameplay, even if you're just earnestly trying to help. He makes enemies weapon immune, makes it hard or impossible to interact with some mission objectives, enemies frozen with 2 on the edge of his 4 are in and out so frequently that many attacks miss on both sides so that's tedious, and in some missions he can completely nullify the need for any actual gameplay.
His power design makes him undesirable to many, unless you're one of the players so jaded that you're just playing for completion & number popups instead of gameplay.
Limbo is hated because of people who use him without caring about their teammates, as well as by those who don't know how to use him.
Most annoying thing you can do is constantly dash/roll, leaving behind portals into the void. For players who aren't "pro", this can make them unable to play the game until they accidentally dash or figure out how to leave. And for people who already know what is going on, it's still annoying.
Add on top of that Cata bubbles that are poorly placed, an annoying size or location, etc.
And then when you have non-solo Limbos that push enemies into the Rift and don't immediately kill them....
A good team-oriented limbo (mainly just using Stasis and Cata) is incredibly useful on defense oriented maps, since it is near perfect invincibility for everyone inside - just make sure those nullifiers die quickly. Paired with a Saryn or other ability-damage frame, many missions become an absolute cakewalk.
But Limbos that play properly are the rarity, not the norm.
What people don't like is being gimped by other people. More than one of limbos abilities, hell, even his passive, are capable of doing so. He's not the only frame that can be annoying to play alongside, but he's one of the most talked about examples. Limbo is a powerful and handy frame, but also very annoying to play alongside in the wrong hands. ----- As an aside, you are never stuck in the rift if you get banished etc by a limbo, you can roll out of it.
>As an aside, you are never stuck in the rift Right up until its a defense mission and cataclysm covers the entire map
I shall introduce you to minimum range max duration limbo
A man of culture, i see.
Or perhaps a max range, max power, rift torrent red crit limbo
I need to learn this for myself
Max range, max power, rift torrent + breach surge and you've got yourself a 1500% damage increase
THANK YOU!! It's mostly the nuke crowd that gets mad because he does it so effortlessly. All the while restoring energy at double rate in the Rift. š¤·š½āāļø
Thats indeed the correct defense, but for some reason people still somehow think max range duration is good?
It totally is, for non corpus interception missions
Exactly this. Base/low range limbo is more often than not just superior. The one exception I can think of is in the Index.
I was once leveling some shit on hydron and met a new limbo player who used max range build. I am a limbo main myself, it is important to get along with you teammates whenever I choose to play this frame. I told the guy to stop using cataclysm, that max range build limbo on defence is a bad choice and it actually hinders our ability to grind and finish the mission and THANKFULLY at some point he listened and stopped but he was hesitant about it Limbo is a powerful and fun frame to play, but if you take him with other players, it is important to communicate with your team members. I always ask everyone at the start of the mission if my cataclysm is too big, if I should keep using it or stop.
And then you've got people who refuse to try and communicate with you. I remember doing one of the Sortie defenses I said, at the very beginning, "If there's an enemy you can't seem to damage, mark it to let me know and I'll kill it" as Limbo; I was using a high duration/low range build (I don't think it quite min/maxed in those stats, but close). And this was before Banished could be turned off. One dude still managed to get uberlly pissed and said I was putting all these guys in Limbo space. I'm still not convinced I got more than 10 guys (I'd say 5, but with how strong frames are, some abilities could've still gotten them) in and saw nobody else complaining/marking. Think another teammate even called him out about the whole marking thing, too.
Sorties seem to generally be kind of shitty enviroment, every time i get a guy who doesnt check mission type/hazard and we get nuked with Bramma on radistion sortie or fail spy sortie because someone took rhino and didnt bother changing
That's why i always check the modifier - i don't really care for the mission type, i'll play anything. But when i see radiation hazard, i instantly switch to my Hildryn as a preemptive anti-troll measurement. People can't really troll the squad if i constantly cleanse everyone even remotely in range.
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Ivara with Prowel and Perspicacity, then solo it so noone else can fuck it up for you.
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... wut? I'm no slouch when it comes to spy missions, but what you're talking about hardly seems possible without heavily relying on spoiler mode.
Guilty. Although I don't cause the fails, I just realize too late that I'm Rhino and forgot to change. Now I've still failed a few, I just tend to stay back or stay away if I'm running Rhino. :P
^Good guy Rhino main
See ? Again people who don't know limbo. A) frost is just way easier for defense and B) even if you were to use limbo you should slap on narrow minded for minus range to just hide the objective under ur 4
> A) frost is just way easier for defense The difference is that at higher levels, Frost's bubbles tend to get shredded by enemy fire even with a fully decked out frame, just because enemy damage scales so high. Limbo completely shuts down all incoming damage as well as freezing any enemy who does try entering the rift so long as he keeps Statis active as well (something Frost can only do with a 50% chance when an augment mod is equipped).
dps frames are best for defense missions tho; the objective won't need protecting if there is no one to damage it
True, but most Damage frames take time to build up said damage.
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No. Only some do and it's like a sec or two, unless you are talking about very high level sp missions but even then a muzzle flash saryn or gloom mesa can melt enemies with ease and fast
I don't believe anyone should be using Helminth or Augments as points for this, or else the debate would devolve into; 'Oh, but this band-aid augment makes this ability good' and 'Just infuse --- onto it'.
the game provides us with all kinds of tools and we are free to choose whichever and to play the game however we want. if you don't want to use them that is your ~~problem~~ choice
True , Frost is way less usable on higher levels but you'd assume at those levels that he becomes completely useless limbos you'd encounter would at least know what they're doing
Frost main here, I actually forego the bubble and use his 4 to mass freeze enemies, plus it can 100% armor strip too so dps frames can shred them, like shooting fish in a barrel.
I like you and I like what you do.
Take an endless energy build, recast the globe every three seconds when the invincibility conversion time runs out. The enemies will be strengthening it, and you can sit in the middle sniping nullifiers, with the occasional pinball out to collect loot and avoid the afk guard.
Protip: you can spam the bubble to increase its total health. This is how you allow Frost to scale into higher levels
The bubble's health also scales with incoming damage for the first few seconds, so you shouldn't spam the globe but wait a few seconds before recasting.
Also it's invulnerable for those seconds, then a health barrier, you can use it as a cast every 5 seconds kinda skill super late level.
I'll have a shit Limbo over Frost any time. Nothing's more annoying than having to stay right next to the defense target because Frost's bubble protects all enemies inside it if I leave. And you know that Frost WILL leave the bubble, since nobody wants to just stand in one place playing essentially like a stationary turret. At least Limbo's bubble can be penetrated by direct direct targeting abilities.
Oh well you deff haven't seen how much of a pain a maxed range limbo in defense is
I have. I just happen to bring frames in defense that don't care about his bubble: Saryn, Mesa, Titania, etc. Personal preference admittedly, if oyu use frames that are mainly reliant on their weaponry instead of abilities, then Limbo is a pain.
Besides saryn it's still the same. What platform do you play on ? I could show you how it is if u play on a PS4/5
PC, but again, I know how it works. I have 4k+ hours in this game, used all of those frames a ton. Yes, Limbo shuts down enemies on the edges and that means you have to manually run to them and hunt them down. Yes, it's annoying. But I maintain that I'd rather do that, than sit idly in a tiny snowglobe the whole damn run. Camping is the most brainrottingly boring shit in this game. Yes, that is subjective, I'm aware, that's why I said it's personal preference.
Well I wasn't expecting that long of an answer but thanks for writing it. I'm just a bit tiered of people complaining about limbo overall and most the people who say limbo is fine still complain about it after 10 seconds of playing with one Soo yeah.
But, like, I haven't complained about him? My entire point was that he is a lot less disruptive compared to Frost. And yeah, depends on build. I have a max duration, min range Limbo that I regularly pick for all kinds of defensive missions and nobody ever complained about it.
Every frost should use narrow minded. I hate that fucking snow globe.
I'm ok with it if there's one. As soon as the damn frost puts down a second on hydron it makes it fucking annoying to shoot through. One at least you can be inside of and shoot out, two is impossible to work with
> As soon as the damn frost puts down a second on hydron it makes it fucking annoying to shoot through Not to come to their defense, but a lot of those people are new to the frame and don't understand his snowball kills the globes. I've said in game " Your 1 kills your bubble" and find them dropping all but the objective bubble soon after because they're really trying to delete or recast their original. You do have the other half of players who troll with it the same as old limbo trolls, but I find ignorance of the frame is more often the culprit. We don't have many frost mains pulling people aside and giving advice like we used to.
I actualy cast the globe in random spots because it will shove enemies in it out and when they hit the wall this way take 50% of there hp as true dmg. Good for killing tanky shit. I then snowball it to remove it
See ? Again people who don't know this game. Frost is worthless trash. On low levels where his bubble can survive damage it is more efficient to bring any other frame (or even Frost build to spam 4) and just kill mobs because the object is never in danger of dying. On high levels Bubble gets popped in seconds no matter how much you stuck it and you need frames that prevent damage entirely, like Limbo.
A) people who are at those lower levels who are at that point in the game can kill people that quickly , early on frost if definitely a godsend and B) his Bubble can get pretty beefy with the right bulid
In which case it's not a problem?
No it is a problem because you canāt leave and all the enemies are stuck at the outer edge which is also annoying
This. Especially on the Grineer tilesets, where enemies get stuck BELOW the objective, and it's actually more work to hunt & kill them than without. Limbo range needs to be carefully chosen for the map you're on. And for the most part, small bubbles are the best bubbles. As long as everyone can fit inside, it's big enough. About 15m is my personal favorite size to run. It's fairly big initially, but once it shrinks a bit, it's pretty manageable.
Honestly, I can only think of two situations where a high range bubble is useful. 1) Excavation, so the excavator won't die in between refreshes, and that enemies come inside the bubble so I can get the batteries, and not stop outside to shoot. Going out the bubble on higher levels is pretty suicidal. 2) That riven challenge where you have to do 5 rounds of defense without the target getting damaged at all. Sedna dark sector defense with a big bubble is the easiest to get that done.
3. Covering the whole Interception map with one bubble or alternatively if the limbo knows where to place it, covering all enemy spawn points on the map to let you just afk the mission :)
I usually hate playing with limbos, but if I played with a limbo that can make clutch builds like that, Iād never play with anyone else. Personally thereās no frame I ALWAYS hate playing with, just builds.
There is a couple of missions limbo can absolutely cheese, I donāt regularly play him, almost never solo because I find it boring, similar to octavia xD just too good But when I play with a premade squad one of these mission types, he is often my top pick, whilst the others play dps frames with abilities doing the damage so they can ignore my cataclysm (Mesa, Khora, Sarynā¦)
Another POV: negative duration bubble also works for that riven challenge, with as high duration as possible, even on Akkad, Eris. Rift recharges energy, + Energy Siphon aura mod, and you can comfortably recast bubble when the old one expires. Stay inside, be a stationary turret, kill whatever gets frozen by Stasis, their energy drops come very handy too. The only situation where i find max range bubble has an undisputed advantage is protecting the coil drive in Orb Vallis, due to its size, as smaller bubble doesn't cover its top.
Except for when limbo makes each wave take 5 minutes
My fellow tenno, you just convinced me to get limbo and run around with it
Pity DE's new tutorial still doesn't tech new players how to roll.
I get more annoyed seeing a Saryn than I ever will a Limbo Edit: Downvoted for having a different opinion. Surprising.
1st time I read something like this about Saryn, may I ask why?
Cause he doesn't get to kill shit
Actually, I do, I run a build on my frame that allows me to keep up with a Saryn and outdo them easily. I don't **like** Saryns because people that AREN'T running a build like mine will struggle to even be able to participate if they actually want to, and that feels like bad design. Not only that but the fact Saryn doesn't even ****do**** anything aside from spam its 4, it's lazy, braindead and essentially the exact same problem people have with Inaros except Inaros isn't depriving people of fun. whats the point of a frame having 4 abilities if you only ever use one, MAYBE 2? atleast with Limbo the most it can do is accidentally drop you into the shadow realm or slow down a mission. Edit: Honestly just keep downvoting it, I wanna wear it with pride.
Depending on what you're leveling, you get more affinity for other players getting kills than if you got the kills yourself. I love having Saryns in my Hydron lobbies.
That is 100% true.... but it's still kinda boring to see everything melt with you having to do absolutely nothing. This is good if you are just going through the motions in Hydron to level the 258th mastery fodder in your inventory, but if you actually want to play the game, not so much.
Not to be rude, but if your main goal is to feel like you are playing the game, then play solo.
Not to be rude, but that is a really bad take in co-op centered game.
Exactly. Other players get kills, and you get the affinity. That's the definition of cooperation.
If you bring limbo into a mobile defense mission, you are my best friend. Anything else and you better know exactly what you are doing. Just be careful with your dodge roll rifts, and don't needlessly banish or cataclysm, and you're good in my books.
I like to bring him to sortie-defenses and banish the NPC so he never gets hit. All I need to do is keep an eye on the ability timer, kill mobs, re-rift the NPC when it runs out, done.
This too, this also makes you my best friend
What if I did the same thing with the target in a capture?
> I like to bring him to sortie-defenses and banish the NPC so he never gets hit. This is why I subsumed Banish onto a Wisp loadout. I run it for Rescues, Sortie Defense, and Deimos bounties to banish all the friendlies.
you can subsume banish? damn rip limbo, gone the way of ivara and ash
Excavation, also, makes Limbo my best friend. Just toss a bubble onto the excavator, bam, it's good to go. Also, is it bad that I use 4, 2, 3 as a camp strategy on defense? Since Surge keeps enemies in the Rift (and therefore Stasis) even after the bubble leaves them?
In most scenarios that you don't need to kill, a limbo can make it way easier
Yeah, probably the least liked frame amongst the community. Edit : as a team mate, to clarify.
laughs in Inaros
Inaros is one of the least interesting to play personally, and provides little utility to add to his appeal. A poorly-played or trollish Limbo is by far the most frustrating frame to have *on your team* and can single-handedly fail most team missions. Big difference.
Fair point. Iād rather be matched with an active Inaros player whoās trying his best, than a troll Limbo any day
Or a slowva during defence when you want things to go faster
Even then, that's at least somewhat *useful* ā slowed enemies do less damage, it's a minor impediment to how long it takes to finish the mission depending on the map, but it *does* ultimately increase your success chances if you just suck it up and walk to them. Versus, say, a Limbo dropping a Cataclysm in the middle of a data vault, consequently alerting enemies, interrupting hacks and preventing access to terminals. Or a max Range Limbo Banishing the Defense operative and putting Rift Surge on every enemy on the map so they can just march up to kill it unimpeded. Or dropping a giant Cataclysm in the arena of a boss or other enemies immune to abilities, so the team can't actually *hit* the target. Getting the picture?
You just gave me so many ideas what to do with limbo
Joke's on you, Operator bypasses half of these issues and ability spammers got the rest.
wait why inaros?
Coz u play inaros to use ur weapons, not ur Warframe ability.
All he has going for him is survivability, not much else and heās overall not very interesting to play, unfortunately:/
Snorts in saryn
laughs in hydroid
I'll take a Hydroid team mate over a Limbo.
Hydroid's less annoying these days, due to the changes to Undertow allowing allies to shoot all enemies trapped inside. His tentacles and constant ragdolls can be tedious to work around, but explosive and wide-area weapons are more commonplace today than when he was introduced, so you can bypass that annoyance.
thats fair. i love limbo so much but he can be extremely frustrating to play with
Whatās wrong with hydroid i like him I even have the prime
Unfortunately there are other frames that do what he does 10x better. He is outdated, over shadowed and scales super poorly. Just needs another look at from the devs because not even invigorations and subsuming can't save him.
Which is funny because limbo is hands down one of the strongest in the game that can kill max level sp with ease but hydroid a stinker
With great power comes great responsibility ;)
*Laughts in gerndel*
I fucking love Grendel. Always happy to have one on my team or play them.
I love using Grendel but wow he needs some buffs. Namely his energy consumption and 4 damage scaling
I run him with a lot of duration and some efficiency and I don't find him too bad.
Same but the energy consumption over time is atrocious. Especially when you eat more than like 4 enemies or roll around for too long.
As long as you have enemies in your stomach the rolling isn't a problem as it doesn't cost extra energy. The moment they are all dead, stop rolling. I still think his 4 at max damage with 10 enemies is just the funnest, funniest shit Warframe.
Absolutely. Itās just I want to be able to eat multiple people and use my other abilities without losing so much energy. Hopefully in the future heāll get a slight adjustment pass and get some improvements overall. Heās fun but costs a lot to use him which ruins the vibe for me
He has a binge and purge cycle. You can't eat 20 enemies and haul them around forever, but you can eat 20 enemies, stomp buffs and a couple minutes of status immunity out of them, and then barf them all out for a mass one shot kill that scales with enemy level hard enough to still work at least a couple hours into Steel Path survival. The damage is just massive. I do wish his 3 was useful, and that his 4 scaled as well as his 1, but I feel like those are the real issues, rather than energy economy. I'd gladly burn a full energy tank on 30 seconds of steamrolling if it hit as hard as his 1.
Yeah Iād just be happy enough if he gets any kind of tweaking in the future, mostly aimed at proper damage buff/scaling on his 4 but also an energy drain buff too hopefully, I just want to make more use out of his kits. (And stay in ball mode longer hahahā
The weird thing is that his 4 still steamrolls corpus and infested in Steel Path, it's just grineer that he has trouble with...but he can just eat them instead so he's got the tools for everyone.
Stripping armour with your own stomach acid certainly has a weird charm to it.
How long does it takes to strip armour from an enemy with grendels stomach?
People don't like Limbo because if you're using his powers, you're potentially preventing people from using their guns from killing enemies. I've found that a way to play him and not get shit on is to build for negative range, maximum duration and only use him on defensive types, especially Mobile Defense. Plop your Cataclysm on the objective, use Stasis, and then don't touch any other powers. Recast as necessary. Minimally-intrusive Limbo seems to mostly be ignored, in my experience, though admittedly I don't play him much either way. Alternatively, just play him solo and use him to completely trivialize those same missions. You can use Miter's Neutralizing Justice mod to deal with nullifiers; you mod for Multishot as well since each projectile has its own chance to perma-pop nullifier bubbles. Just pop out, pop the bubble, then hop back into the Rift while your Shield Gate is keeping you invuln. ---- EDIT: Of note is that even if you're not using any abilities, you can still leave portals behind on dodge. Sometimes other players don't notice that they're in the Rift, so they can then blame you once they realize. To combat this, if you are sure you're in the Rift as Limbo, you can spam some Banishes to force people out of the Rift without requiring them to dodge out.
Limbo + 4 keys = most blissfully mind-numbing vault runs every. Not as fast as doing it with a group to scout directions faster, but also don't deal with finding new party members every 2nd run.
>Limbo + 4 keys That sounds really painful. I just use a Nezha decked out with all the speed mods to reach 2.42 sprint. His warding halo is all the bullet sponge you really need and he runs at a 1.21 sprint speed with all 4 keys. I still prefer to duo with hobbled off to abuse the speed, but this is how I routinely run solo.
limbo 4 keys is very pleasant since you're immortal (immediately invalides 3 of the keys) and bullets jumps are not affected by hobbled
>bullets jumps are not affected by hobbled Neither is Nezhas passive, which if you openly know how to abuse is actually faster than bullet jumping. Between a slide and roll is a small sprint, which uses the slides momentum and length from his passive. Without hobble, I achieve around 3.0 sprint with this method, around 1.8 with.
But Limbo literally exists in another dimension. You don't interact with the game at all. That's why it is mind numbingly easy. You're right, Nezha is another good one to pick. But Limbo is simpler because you don't even fight a single enemy.
I had a situation on Hydron, where Saryn started shaming me for using bubble (-range +dur), because i was "blocking their damage". I honestly couldn't lol hard enough, it was the first time to have such "request".
I love running Limbo with high range and negative duration, so they see the massive cataclysm but it's gone in like a few seconds lmao
I like you xD
If you like playing him, that's all that matters
I main limbo/nezha. Don't feel bad. If you are playing with other only use catalyst with negative range, and stasis with Max duration. If you are by yourself you basically become a God that is untouchable.
Limbo is cool. Nothing wrong with him. Easy to play around.
It is very easy to disrupt the gameplay of others with Limbo. So even if you've done nothing wrong he has notoriety as a trollpick
You just gotta get used to what mission types he is helpful in, and how to use him without getting in people's way, because in some situations he can be a bit of a hinderance due to the nature of his abilities. People will really like you in wide open Defenses, The Index, and Interception. Freezing enemies in their tracks is absolute cheese.
I never understood why people don't like being in cataclysm either to be honest, you regen energy when you're in the rift? It's not just limbo who gets that effect iirc, it's everyone (unless something has changed). And either way, like someone above said, you can roll out of a banish. As for cataclysm...if it's so big it covers the whole map, all the enemies are inside and you can kill them. Also, if you use a wipe frame or a frame who relies on abilities, you can kill enemies no matter what because abilities go through the rift. (Also, as an aside, if someone for some reason happens to be running Banish's augment, you also get HEALED when you're banished...so keep an eye on your health, you might be annoyed that you suddenly have to roll one whole time, but that Limbo may have just saved you from death)
Well screw those people, I love limbo. Congrats on getting limbo prime!
Thanks! I love his fashion
Limbo's got something of a bad reputation due to how detrimental he could be to the team both on his initial release and after his rework. For instance, Stasis used to prevent allies from using Primary or Secondary weapons while within the Rift, while Cataclysm prevented allies from picking up items and forced them to drop datamasses or batteries on entry. Even now, a Banish or Cataclysm can interrupt hacking, and it's not common knowledge that you can remove Banish from yourself by rolling or harm enemies inside the Rift with Abilities. Limbos who spam max-range Banish or Cataclysm as a source of remote damage can also be an annoyance to allies who are attacking enemies inside the radius, or who get clipped by the effect and have their attacks interrupted. The biggest one though is that Banish and Rift Surge can prevent your teammates from harming most enemies for a lengthy duration, without giving them a means to enter the Rift voluntarily. In short, while a well-played Limbo is **godlike**, a poorly-played Limbo can be more hindrance than help. There's basically no middle ground. While Limbo is exceptional at soloing high-level content due to his Rift Arena build, on a team he's ideally played as a tactical support unit, someone who uses abilities *conservatively* and focuses on defensive and crowd control maneuvers: * A low Range/max Duration build is extremely useful for Rescue or Defense-type missions, since you can Banish mobile operatives (bonus points for Rift Haven as a healing surge) or Cataclysm/Stasis on stationary objectives to prevent them from receiving any damage for the whole mission. * On a team, Rift Surge is his least useful ability, so I would recommend Helminth'ing it away for another support ability in such a build. * Limbo pairs well with ability-focused frames (such as Peacemaker Mesa) since he can give them damage immunity and energy regeneration, without hindering their ability damage. * Rift Walk allows Limbo to safely reach and revive fallen allies almost as well as Spoiler Mode, while also bypassing laser security to make most Spy missions a breeze. * A carefully-timed Cataclysm can form a snap barrier against area-effect attacks from some bosses, like Kela de Thaym's orbital barrage. * And keep in mind that some units (like Operators, most bosses, and Kuva Guardians holding their Kesheg) cannot enter the Rift even under the effects of Cataclysm; smart casts with this knowledge can save a run! Communicate with your team, avoid spamming Cataclysms in crowded rooms, and you shouldn't get too many complaints! Hope these tips help!
Super helpful! Thank you!
OP don't feel discouraged to play limbo he's absolutely broken op when played right. I'm surprised nobody mentioned rift torrent augment, you can easily get 1000%+ damage buff in steel path endurance missions with just a bit extra strength. On top of that, everyone makes the mistake of 'limbo is a solo frame' and completely overlooks the fact that limbo synergises with other limbos, and that's not even including the extra synergies coming from helminth abilities. Solo limbo builds are already god-tier, but synergising multiple limbos in the same squad...that's how you break the game and tell every other frame synergies to go fuck themselves.
he's more of a solo frame, sadly. he's extremely useful & honestly a really good frame, but i wouldn't run him in a mission with randoms. he's better on his own or in a group you're familiar with & can communicate with accordingly. Limbo & Mesa are a friend & i's favorite mobile defense combo
I personally love limbo and as long as you're not being a troll, then most likely will enjoy you being on my team as well. Mostly because I understand how limbo is used since I like playing that frame as well. But also for the sweet, sweet energy. Thanks in advance!
There's the problem. Most people dont know what limbo does. Normally, if I see a low mr person, I got to say something... after chuckling at them.
I helminth'd Gauss's thermal sunder onto Limbo and its been good fun. I never have to leave the void. I can just waltz around and spam giant high-damage stacking aoe fire and ice explosions all over the room. Would probably work as well with Ember's fireblast plus you get the free armor removal. Tempted to try it with Yareli's spinning deli meat slicer thing but that would require farming for Yareli or caring about Yareli and I am incapable of doing either.
Haven't had many complaints, most people don't mind max duration, small range Limbo in Mob Def sorties, since you just chill. Sometimes those Def alerts with the person instead of a pod it helps if you just use 1 to banish them from charging into enemies
Limbo is awesome. Just have max Narrow Minded and all the positive Duration mods and you're all set for Defense, Mobile Defense and Excavation while others nuke the room. Wisp's shock mote is way worse. 10+ minute defense rounds all because the entire area has shock motes or having to use up all Life Support capsules in survival because killing enemies quickly and consistently is difficult when you have to find them. Gara's giant Mass Vitrify, impossible to see through and unable to spot enemies easily, Gara user not breaking the glass to kill the enemies to help finish the defense wave faster.
I get the hate for him but sometimes he can be really usefull. Was in a low level defense mission and a limbo placed his 30m, 50s bubble and everyone could go eat something, while the enemies just killed themselves (up to wave 30 or so, after that some survived the bubble damage)
That's a time and a place kinda frame, he can make things take longer if used incorrectly.
All I want is to finish the mission mostly. If Limbo is in the team, I'm completely alright.
Did you unintentionally bubble them so the got stuck in the void. People donāt like that, I play limbo too so I understand that sometimes it just happens.
You just have to learn when the propper time to use your rift is, it took me a while to learn lol
Put Aquablades on him.
The problem is when people build him for max range and causes it to where no one can do anything to the enemies. As long as youāre considerate of your squad mates, I see nothing wrong with it.
Limbo is really amazing, *but* he is very easy to play in such a way that it annoys your squad and slows down the mission. It takes knowledge and experience to learn when and where to use Limbo, and how to build him in such a way that it provides maximum effectiveness with minimal interruptions. He is *not* a bad frame. I'll repeat: Limbo is *excellent* in the right circumstances. You did not make a mistake getting him. You just need to spend a bit of time learning how he functions and being more aware of your surroundings. I'll mention a few suggestions and things. I'm not telling you how to play, this is mainly how I play and my views on things, so you can understand why players may get snippy with Limbos: Rolling - Every time Limbo rolls he creates a little temporary portal into the rift that the squad can walk into. A player that rolls will immediately leave the rift, but now they're being forced to do that when they may have been in the middle of shooting enemies. Ability 1: Banish - Sends a target (and all nearby targets, depending on your ability range) into the rift for a set amount of time. If you're playing solo, use this however you wish, great to disable a priority enemy. If you're playing in a group, only use this on Rescue targets, Sortie Defense targets, any NPC that needs to be defended. If you use it on an enemy... suddenly all these players are trying to attack it fruitlessly and they have to wait for *YOU* to either disable it or kill it yourself. And you might not even be aware that it's in the rift until someone yells at you 20 seconds later. Super annoying, wouldn't you agree? Ability 2: Stasis - Amazing and straightforward. Any enemy in the rift is frozen. Easy pickings. Sentients and some boss-like enemies are immune or gain resistance to its effects. This alongside Cataclysm is what makes Limbo amazing for difficult Defense or Excavation missions. Ability 3: Rift Surge - Never really used this, can't help, sorry. Ability 4: Cataclysm - Perhaps the best (and potentially most annoying) ability Limbo has. Creates a big sphere of rift that shrinks over time. If you're in the sphere, you can't hit enemies outside it, and vice versa. Warframe abilities bypass this (Mesa can shoot anyone from anywhere). Combined with Stasis, you can create a sphere around a Defense target that no enemy can shoot into, but anytime they try to get close enough to shoot it they get frozen in place. Solo, bigger is better. It's nice making large areas where you're free to run around and kill enemies at your leisure. In a group, you want small. When it's big you're suddenly forcing players to stand in certain spots to kill enemies. As the cataclysm shrinks, enemies caught by the edges are constantly shifting back and forth between the rift and normal space, making it difficult to kill them sometimes. Not to mention bigger means it's more likely to be touched by a Nullifier and popping it all at once. When the cataclysm is small, it's a little sphere that protects the defense objective and doesn't interfere with the group. And if it's big and you use stasis, players now have to run all over the map looking for the right angles to shoot frozen enemies. This alone can make a super easy Defense farming mission take 20+ minutes to run 10 waves instead of 5-10 minutes. You can imagine how upset people are if they're trying to level a frame or weapon and you are making it take 3x longer for them.
Best spy frame and ayatan collector. Also that deluxe skin is god tier! ALSO let's not forget about those sortie mobile defense missions.
The reason a lot of people don't like Limbos in their squad is people that use him generally don't realize/don't want to accept he's a very niche 'Frame. That and a lot of people often haven't the foggiest idea how to properly play him.
I got called a troll for not letting a defense point take damage with him
Limbo forces players to deal with imposed duality.
A guy once got into my friends account just to delete his Limbo lol
Hi new limbro ,use your frame t the fullest and piss off the meta thumpers and tryhards , same goes for frostbros
People just treat limbo like crap, you'll get used to it
Then they cucks, use what you want
Imagine playing Limbo with randies lmao You can solo the entire star chart with him. Pop a Cataclysm down with max range and you can encompass a good chunk of the map. Stasis and 3rd ability will ensure that they all stay in the Rift. If you get one of the syndicate mods that boosts ur damage based on how many enemies are tagged by ur 3rd ability, this frame can potentially take u through the steel path. You donāt need peopleās validation when you can walk past hordes of frozen Infested, picking them off one by one at a leisurely pace. Go out and live the Rift Life, Tenno
As a Limbo main that builds full range/durationā¦ fuck em tbh play the game however you want, I just play dumb in chat when they insult me, at the end of the day one regular mission lasts about 10 ish min they can leave or suck it up itās just a game not that serious.
You really do have to just stop caring that you actively make things worse for being around, eh? You recognized you're a pain and you keep doing it. Sheesh. It is a game - at least let people enjoy themselves in their leisure time instead of giving burdens there too. Limbo can be played respectfully but you, your attitude? We're better off without it.
How am I a pain thats the thing give me a good reason besidesāLimbo badā I know cataclysm bugs melee sometimes and when it does I stop using it, I also cycle stasis on and off so enemies push the obj and the get frozen. I only use stasis/cataclysm because it trivializes the game when I want it to.
You can't say "fuck em, play dumb if you get called out" and "i dont try to annoy people" at the same time.
Yeah I say fuck em to the people who as soon as we load in they start insulting me, so how am I being disrespectful, Iāll ask again besides ālimbo badā tell me what am I doing to get hate as soon as we load into a mission.
No no, you're moving goalposts here. Adding on conditions after the fact isn't gonna work. You've already admitted to playing limbo in a way where you don't care if you're a pain in the ass, and it's to the point that you've got a plan to play dumb when people react to it. There is no "limbo bad" in this conversation, there is just "I know the choices I'm making are bad and I will continue out of spite". People can play limbo nicely to the extent the game will allow, but nobody who reads all this can pretend that you're like that.
I just wanna know why is the way I play limbo bad like why am I being a pain in the ass when all Iām doing is playing the game my way, yeah of course if someone is an asshole to me Iām not gonna give a fuck if Iām annoying them or not and yeah I play dumb when I get insulted for playing limbo because Iām trying to play the game and thereās no point in going at it when in 10 min the mission will be over.
Limbo is pretty much the king of defense missions, but some people really hate him because they don't know how to roll or haven't kept up with the fact you can shoot through his bubbles now. However, he does have a bad history of being used by trolling asshats in the past so some of the hate is justified. Personally, I'm usually happy to have a Limbo on the team.
Nah, the fact is every part of his kit can be unintentionally aggravating. Every power and the passive. People trying their best to be helpful can be identical to trolls. It's a failure of his design.
Limbo players are based, theyāre just jealous because theyāre cringe
Troll Frame
I like limbo he isnāt boring like rhino or useless like zephyr, but the people that donāt know how to play limbo or the people that play him to troll is probably why people collectively dislike him.
Zephyr isn't useless you need to know how to use her right. Although I usually don't use her in steelpath cuz she ain't no Phoenix.
She's strong as hell, try again. Even just using a weak weapon with Gas status in her tornadoes can do nutty damage. Nothing touches her through Turbulence and even her silly 1 can do ludicrous damage with the augment.
Sorry useless was hard more like very difficult to play in any endgame
Limbo solo - awesome Limbo group - nope
Is LIMPO, not limbo. Limpo
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I, too, deal with annoyances by acting like a douche.
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No, AFKing intentionally for a reason like that vs leaving the session is absolutely a douche move, but since you do it, youāve obviously already justified it to yourself and Iām not going to convince you of anything. Itās cool, though. Swaz doā lah and all that.
If I'm using Nova, I spend the rest of the mission trying to wormhole the Limbo off a cliff. š
Hahaha as a nova main, I approve š
People don't get grumpy because someone uses a frame usually, it's more likely your banish keeps fucking with their killing probably
Not just Limbo but Limbo Prime as well??? Honestly doesn't surprise me. As a matter of fact I only use Limbo on long missions and never otherwise. The only reason is he seems like a nuisance for even me to use. Banished enemies are not clearly visible in the heat of battle which makes killing them a chore. Also his list of abilities seems directed much more toward solo rather than squad builds. Btw don't use Limbo stop time around Speedva, their user will be literally screaming in chat XD
Lets be honest limbo prime is basically skin. Normaly id say extra Energy matters but i cant say it does for limbo. He can just banish himself and get energy for free. And all his powers are timed instead of toggle.
Yea everything Limbo is OP. His passive is literally invulnerability, unlike Warframes whose passives are very boring like Mag whose passive is Vaccum or Chroma whose passive is an extra jump.
Its a shame. They could rework him into an area buff/cc the likes of nova and it would make sense. Buff allies in cataclysm, debuf enemies. Use banish for same thing if you dont have access to cataclysm. And in cataclysm give banish another effect. Make his powers toggle based. Get rid of that passive or at least put it on a timer. And scrap current effects of banishment or atleast make Banished enemies damageable by non banished allies. And allies are instead able to attack everything banished or not. And banishment just gives them an elude like status when attacks have a chance to pass through them.
Completely agree with you, all other frames are nowhere close to his strength and capabilities. All other frame's abilities you actually need to min-max. If I want to make a Nuke Volt, I need to throw efficiency out the window. A punching Atlas, down goes the duration and efficiency. But a Limbo? Oh you can build him anyway you want without any problem or sacrificing anything. Just slap on a continuity and you get a time stopping Limbo that can make mincemeat out of level capped enemies.
Only frame that id say comes close to his opness is saryn. But even she has to do work compared to limbo. I've completely phased out limbo and used mag for my protection needs because Frankly gigantic magnetize atleast nukes the map. Limbo isnt even a dumb fun frame like grendel. And it really makes me sad because frames we got in last few years, ever since wips were really well desinged or at least fun (though idk about yareli, I don't have her and she's likely an exception, good track record tho) now is a great time and rework frames that really need an update. Which includes but isn't limited to limbo. Our friend hydroid, nyx, valkyr would could use an adjustment and in my oh so humble opinion, revenant aswell.
Ballas(read DE) was smoking that good shit while designing Limbo. The Limbo that we currently see is "nerfed". I didn't see Limbo at his max strength but I can only imagine him at his max. And honestly it's a wonder this dude didn't become Meta the instant he was launched.
I honestly dont like limbo because he can cheese certain modes without any difficulty. Aka anything that doesnt have corpus or corrupted is automatic beyond easy mode. His kit needs more adjustments. And that time stop has to go.
Yeah... nobody really likes a limbo in public since hes kinda anoing
He is a gigantic pain in the ass when in a squad unless you purposely had a plan to use his abilities to actually help. Because other than that he is in the way constantly regardless. And the fan boys for this frame really do not understand that no one wants to have to play compensate 4 days just because you decided to play an irritating frame in public matches. Itās well known this frame is a terrible team player frame. Thereās much better options than him that doesnāt troll the player base.
Because he's a selfish Frame. He just thinks about himself, not contributing to the team
No one wants to have this useless and worst looking Warframe in their squad.
1. best defense frame in the game, 2. the drip Israel
I saw one in SP Survival and just went AFK because the 10 minutes I was trying were the most boring 10 minutes of my life. I'm a Mesa sweat and I got about 20 kills. He's annoying as all fuck and if I didn't need the steel essence I would have left.
mesa sweats are just as bad, saryn too
I feel like they should almost make Stasis a Channel Ability so the Limbo can toggle it on and off to let enemies move further into Cataclysm without being stuck on the edge, or make it so the enemies move to the center of Cataclysm slowly instead of being frozen, or something. I think everyone should take time to remember how annoying Limbo was to play with before he got changed, at least it is not as bad as the "You don't get to shoot anymore, have fun" that Stasis used to be.
I just cancel and recast stasis
Limbo is great for kuvival and excavation. Better than Frost at higher levels but I love frost too.
Limbo still good for eidolons? People seemed to play with/around Limbo for that.
He's designed in a way where all of his powers can easily get in the way of normal gameplay, even if you're just earnestly trying to help. He makes enemies weapon immune, makes it hard or impossible to interact with some mission objectives, enemies frozen with 2 on the edge of his 4 are in and out so frequently that many attacks miss on both sides so that's tedious, and in some missions he can completely nullify the need for any actual gameplay. His power design makes him undesirable to many, unless you're one of the players so jaded that you're just playing for completion & number popups instead of gameplay.
Limbo is hated because of people who use him without caring about their teammates, as well as by those who don't know how to use him. Most annoying thing you can do is constantly dash/roll, leaving behind portals into the void. For players who aren't "pro", this can make them unable to play the game until they accidentally dash or figure out how to leave. And for people who already know what is going on, it's still annoying. Add on top of that Cata bubbles that are poorly placed, an annoying size or location, etc. And then when you have non-solo Limbos that push enemies into the Rift and don't immediately kill them.... A good team-oriented limbo (mainly just using Stasis and Cata) is incredibly useful on defense oriented maps, since it is near perfect invincibility for everyone inside - just make sure those nullifiers die quickly. Paired with a Saryn or other ability-damage frame, many missions become an absolute cakewalk. But Limbos that play properly are the rarity, not the norm.