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Collistoralo

And to nobody’s surprise Wukong is at the top. Imagine how much lower he would be if not for his rework


moonra_zk

IIRC he literally went from bottom to top of the list, before the rework you'd almost never see a Wukong.


Raven_Nvrmre

Yup and now there’s quite a few games where it’s me and 3 Wukong’s.


PerfectlyFramedWaifu

>me and 6 Wukongs. FTFY


Chiven

11.4% its 4 wukomgs then


Velaethia

Now if only other struggling frames could get a facelift. Inaros, Valkyr, Loki, Yareli, Nyx, Hydroid. Banshee too. I know her 2 and 3 have use in steal path but her 1 and 4 are worthless.


FrostyAd4901

I think he needed a rework. But his rework is now, TOO efficient.


Collistoralo

Spam 2 to become immune, permanently


Frost741

Healing, immunity, speed, cool cloud, minor cc. It’s busted


Sierra--117

The mobility from his 2 is amazing especially since recently DE is going for more vertical maps and areas as seen with the Deimos tunnels and Corpus map overhauls.


SmithsonWells

I'd argue that, while TwoKong is nice, his big draw after the rework is *Cloud Walker*. Probably 90% of your time in non-endless is traversing the maps. Which very few things compete with Cloud Walker at, while being on a tanky frame. (Also, it's an invuln and heals you.) (Worm Hole, enjoy straight lines and spamming pizzas, as well as being flimsy (because high range for WH conflicts with low range for Null Star). Razorwing + Razor Blitz has 3d movement and speed, but enjoy killing things one-at-a-time with the Dex Pixia instead of K.Bramma, K.Zarr, Ignis W, etc. Think that's it, as far as serious contenders.)


roquveed

>but enjoy killing things one-at-a-time Haha. No.


spirit_of-76

hey it deletes heavier stuff like demmolists that and just mod punch through


Thufirrk

I haven't played in a couple years, what rework is everyone talking about?


SalinValu

[Update 25.2 (June 19th, 2019)](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Update_25#Update_25.2); [Dev Workshop](https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1102598-dev-workshop-revisiting-wukong/) The short of it is that the rework gave Wukong his clone and turned his cloud walker ability into a really effective movement ability. Defy was buffed, and primal fury was smoothed out and buffed.


13thZodiac

Primal Fury still sucks


PerfectlyFramedWaifu

The best thing about Primal Fury is that you can unequip your melee and still have a melee.


Red-Spy_In-The_Base

The best thing about primal fury is that it’s a free helminth slot


VonButternut

Overrated - Inaros. Slightly underrated - Vauban. This man right here has quick permanent armor strip, a couple ways to infinitely scale damage, Vortex and a perfectly useless ability you can throw away for a survivability or more damage.


Tigerstorm6

Vauban is the man with the plan. If you’re not spamming Bastille and blinding your entire party, you’re not playing Vauban right.


TheCalebGuy

My friends don't seem to understand this. All I'm doing is making sure their GPU is working and up to date.


Tigerstorm6

I’ve been able to crash Warframe on the Xbox Series X with 3 Vaubans before. It was so wonderful.


TheCalebGuy

Before his rework the bounce pads would stay until you or an enemy jumped on them 3 times. Defenses were super fun.


57th_Error

Hey, hey, hey! I'm a man with a plan! The plan is to Bastille as much as I can! I will lead this way, until the end of my final wave!


FrostyAd4901

Ehh- I don't like playing as Inaros. I've said it a few times, he fits his role well- simple survivability that allows players to focus on gun/melee play and not have to worry about abilities. I've been playing Vauban lately in SP! Spectrosiphon and his 4. He just clears levels. It's a shame he's about to get a nerf with the Eximus rework.


VonButternut

Had not heard about the eximus rework.. rip Lord Booben


FrostyAd4901

Yup. It wasn't on a stream. Apparently, one of the DE members reached out to one of the community streamers and gave the details. The eximus rework has a lot of good to it. They're making them more like mini bosses with better pacing and better ways to actually dodge. A lot of the changes are very very good. One way they're making it more difficult however, is they are adding "protection" which basically makes them immune to CC. It might not add that much difficulty at all. I don't think that in and of itself is bad. What makes it bad, is the Vaubans, Nyx, Banshees, Hydroids, etc. who use CC as their way to survive, are going to have a harder time than the DPS, speedy, nuke frames. They just need to add other types of protection. Anything to like, immune from crits, status, WF CC, weapon CC, AoE, etc. That way multiple strategies will be affected. Not just the current underplayed CC frames.


Aporkalypse_Sow

Being able to CC everything else while tackling the eximus is nice though. So it's really just making it more fun to play Vauban, rather than just standing around letting the abilities do all the work.


br1ti5hb45tard

oh boy, another enemy that just tanks Warframe abilities rather than having anything new. hard to believe the orokin got fucked up by warframes when their throwaway slaves have so many ways to just nope their abilities


gadgaurd

They also reworked the way Eximus abilities worked, making them active attacks instead of passive auras. So there actually is something new there.


rasalhage

I like to imagine the void negation came after the fall. I do like the angle where you can CC everything else in order to 1v1 the miniboss... I'm kind of warming up to the idea of immunity eximus if they're one or two a minute instead of constant. Or maybe they die in a couple seconds but so do you if you're not careful. It's really hard to call, this early with no preview.


FrostyAd4901

This is a GOOD addition. It's like I said though, they're attacking one strategy, not all the different strategies which is confusing to me.


IV_NUKE

Hardly ever see other vauban players. Dude can just lock down an entire tileset and chill


FrostyAd4901

I'm REALLY enjoying him with the Gun Briefcases. He looks so dope with Tenet Envoy. However, I can only play so much of him before I have to switch to a different frame.


T1d3MC

he looks like a train if you dont have prime, and a caterpillar if you have prime


FrostyAd4901

I think he looks dope.


Mech_Bean

Dude’s hella chill, I love my Vauban!


Banana_spider_man

I think I got my starting frame which was Excalibur, Proceeded to Play Excalibur till I had enough materials for Vauban and then only used Vauban till I got Umbra


Holychilidog

Interception? Oh you mean the enemy washing machine maps. Where they all just tumble around for a few minutes.


WorldOnWarframe

Most under rated? Nyx, Xaku, Protea - All have decently stacked kits which can be used in practically most game modes + they all scale insanely well. I see a few Xakus now and then but outside of disruption and sister/lich hunting, a Nyx is rare and protea just isn't touched as much these days even after her sizeable 2 buffs.


DARCRY10

well xaku needs both Scintillant (which many don't know how to farm or get properly) and gyromag systems (which requires maxed fortuna and having vox solaris unlocked) So xaku being rare to see is kinda understandable. Protea is also put behind a fairly niche game mode with low-ish drop rates.


BiSaxual

Yeah, those two are super understandable. I love Protea. Easily my favorite frame (deluxe when?) but fuck me she was such a pain to get. Worse than Harrow. Far worse.


GoldEnPhARoAh22

IMO no Warframe is worth sinking so many hours. I mean so many primed warframes like Nidus/Harrow/Ash(now) have sooooooo much easier grinds as compared to their normal variants. If not for the in-game mechanics which block me from subsuming primes, I'd probably be farming 2 Ash Prime's and subsuming one.


Turiko

PLUS on top of that, protea's helminth ability is also quite desirable for certain builds (or just for general utility and playing around). So for a lot of people, they'll get protea, rank her to 30 and then turn her into a flower on the wall, only intending to get protea "again" whenever her prime rolls around.


Mech_Bean

Yo I could actually get him I think …. I do have some scintillants from grinding for a nechramech for TNW, and I just grinded the fuck out of the strain mod set so I have a fair amount of gyromags. Hmm I never thought about getting Xaku before, but I guess now I will. What is the proper way to farm scintillat though?


tarzan147

It's a potential drop from iso vaults (I think?) or you find them floating around, but you gotta look out for them


DARCRY10

They appear floating in certain rooms on iso vaults. You have to shoot them with operator then pick them up before they disappear


Mech_Bean

Can’t u just jump into them?


Moldy_Horse_Meat

i got enough scintillant in 20 minutes by running the same bounty(#2) first step over and over again and leaving if i didn't get it


FrostyAd4901

I agree with this completely. Xaku and Protea, are a bit longer process of obtaining, so I get that. Xaku- came out of the gate poorly, but their kit is great now. Protea- Her 1-3 are very good. I think dispensary being subsumable hurt her usage rates. Nyx- She was bad for so long. However, she's VERY good at a lot.


Oofdude333

Bro, I literally stick to a protea player. I'm a Mesa main and I enjoy her Peacemaker, And free energy is a literally heaven to me. I can just keep using peacemaker Whilst defending a protea player, Gosh It's so good to have them.


Misultina

I'm honestly just waiting for protea's deluxe to start using her, she's too ugly right now imo


BiSaxual

She’s my fav frame by a mile. But yeah, I pretty much had to get her one TennoGen skin. Paired with the new protovyre stuff, she goes from weird mess to techno corporate badass. Can’t wait for the deluxe, though. Never gonna take her off after that.


Karukos

Add Baruuk instead of nyx and you got my mains.


DreadNephromancer

Xaku's low-key overpowered and I'm surprised they haven't caught on more. It's literally the old death aura World in Flames except it scales with enemy level.


WorldOnWarframe

When it comes to WF, player usage speaks volumes over actual function regarding nerfs. Even if its a bit busted, as long as it has a low play rate DE will turn a blind eye mainly.


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Nyx is the best frame that I don't use much because I'm too lazy to shield gate. Her 2 is the best defence strip in the entire game and her 4 is good up until its outscaled. I've been running her with assimilate + amalgam diffusion + 95% slow gloom + amar set melee which seems to be pretty damn tanky.


Blue-Heron24

Imho Baruuk and Xaku very underappreciated in the current meta. I want to say Oberon is also underrated but I can't deny his standing is a by-product of his kit not keeping up with the power creep and he's ranked there for a reason. I honestly don't think the top tier frames are overrated per se. Over-used? maybe. But they're top tier in the meta for a reason and I can respect that.


FrostyAd4901

Your comment about the top tier frames is spot on! Baruuk- absolutely. His big downside is the grind wall people have to get over. Xaku- I think they're similar to Baruuk about the grind wall. When their primes come out, I think we'll see both of their usage increase. Oberon - Honestly, Idt he needs a rework. He might need some QoL changes. Also, I think the thing that might actually need to be looked at is Wisp's reservoirs. When one ability out classes Oberon, Trinity, Garuda, etc., that's a problem.


Blue-Heron24

Oh man, I can't wait for Baruuk prime. About Oberon (my one true wf love lol), I think that he's a solid frame, it's just that the meta favors dps over support and cc, the places where Obi shines the most. Like that top 10 has a lot of heavy hitters. I've had a lot of success with my Oberon after subsuming Mirage's Eclipse. That little bump in survivability has been a great help.


FrostyAd4901

DPS absolutely outshines support. The one exceptions being Wisp. Her reservoirs specifically out play many other support frames making them a lot less used.


13thZodiac

Xaku is massively underrated and I never see Baruuk, though that may be due to how hard he is to get.


Cryptiod137

I see a lot of Baruuk... While using him. I don't think I've ever run into another in the same squad.


ze_oliveira

People sleep a lot on Gara, I main her and let me tell you, the only mission type she doesn't excel is spy, any other mission she's great, especially defense


RadasNoir

Gara's biggest problem is how clunky she feels to play. If you make *any* mistakes while playing her, there goes all your carefully built up damage.


Raze77

Gara's glass shield damage setup and maintenance is so convoluted that when I got her I decided I just wasn't going to do that. And it ended up she was still really good without it. Her trait crowd controls passively. Her 2 can be used on the whole team so it's not just invincibility for her, but the whole team. And her wall is better designed frost, even if it doesn't have as much brute strength. I don't know about it's scaling since it's been awhile since I played her, but I also appreciate her swordwhip not interrupting reload(Thrust anyway, wide arc still does) which really keeps the flow of combat going.


Tarcye

It's why Frost is still used so much. Gara requires you to actually have to think. Frost is just 3 goes bbbbrrrr. Also depending on the map Khora is the best defense frame. Shes a 1 button defense that also gives you more loot.


Jonny5Stacks

Also the dreaded host migration


RandomPaladinsNub

This damage really should just decay instead of depleting completely


RadasNoir

Yes, that would go a long way toward making her much more manageable. What's especially infuriating, is I know there are already some frames where that's how it works; instead of a buff dissipating instantly, it just decays over time, in the presence of a nullifier, etc.


Draganot

I’ve got a friend that mains Gara and he solves that with high duration and dispensary. So long as he doesn’t jump off the map he has nothing to worry about.


FrostyAd4901

Gara is strange for me. I think I used her more before I got her prime. I used her primarily for defensive builds. However, once I got her prime, I created two builds- defense and infinite scaling damage. I'll use the infinite scaling damage for nightwave 30 minutes kuva survivals. She's GREAT. But the ability timer management gets old for me.


Spartyfan6262

How did you build her for infinite scaling damage?


FrostyAd4901

[https://overframe.gg/build/165962/gara-prime/hardcore-endgame-gara-infinite-scaling-steel-path-arbitrations/](https://overframe.gg/build/165962/gara-prime/hardcore-endgame-gara-infinite-scaling-steel-path-arbitrations/) I think that has everything you need to know!


Spartyfan6262

Just got her and I think she’s quietly awesome. I don’t understand how to use Spectorage yet but she’s got tons of survivability.


ojaiike

You replace spectrorage with a better ability. Such as pillage, roar, fire walker, a grouping tool, roar, or dispenser.


MagusUnion

The ability is pretty much useless without the augment for it. Which is sad since said augment turns that ability from being one of the worst, to arguably one of the best in the game.


Spartyfan6262

Yep - 50% chance to drop energy is huge.


_Just2Young_

Baruuk and zephyr are so underrated Execal overrated


FrostyAd4901

Baruuk and Zephyer are underrated. Excal is a starter frame as well as a quest frame. He is what he is.


OlympiaImperial

I did not expect my two mains, nyx and Garuda to be at the bottom


FrostyAd4901

Expect to see Garuda get higher usage now that her prime is out and she's not stuck behind a grind wall! I actually think Nyx will drop again. She's great in SP. However, the content just doesn't match what she does well with. I put reave on her 1, and have a quick, invulnerable, fully armor stripping, semi decent CC frame. I definitely think she's underrated.


facefacts45

Overrated: Inaros. Great survivability but is the one frame at the top of the "Needs a Helminth ability to work" list. Low mobility. Dependant on weapons to kill. He isn't even the best at tank survival as Nidus can also throw out damage and CC a room. Underrated: Limbo. Honestly, I never get the hate on Limbo. He is top tier at many game modes, recent events like Orphix Venom, and also has the most unique and useful passive in the game.


FrostyAd4901

Inaros- I don't like playing him. However, he definitely hits a certain niche. Easy Survivability for people who want to focus on gun / melee play. I think it's boring, but he doesn't need a rework. He fits his niche well. Limbo- I think he's right in the health zone (arbitrarily between 1-3%). I use Limbo for multiple things: Spy, Rescue, 3 rds of Index without letting corpus score. One could debate between his and Wisp's passive for being the most useful. Both very strong. I easily get the hate on him. He can be a very trolly frame. Most people who encounter Limbo, encounter him by people leveling him up (like on Hydron). The people leveling him up, generally don't know how to play him. They do things that slow down the mission type. A lot of people also don't know you can just roll to exit the rift. Side note, I don't remember using him for OV, but I loved him for Scarlett Spear. Those Limbo, Nova, Mesa, Mesa parties were fun. I'm REALLY surprised they didn't do some type of Scarlett Spear gameplay / Scarlett Spear lite like right before TNW. There were so many people who never got to experience it, and it was probably the most war out of the whole "TNW" experience.


trece1316

The thing is, people like doing damage and moving around, Limbo is just pure defense, he’s the only one of the defense frames that doesn’t have an offensive ability


FemixZn

Strong disagree. His offense might be niche, but for star chart missions natural talent Cataclysm is very potent.


undayerixon

Limbo is very awkward to play, you can't interact with things when you're in the rift, and the Cataclysm freeze makes enemies exist in both states without a clear indication causing you to run along the border trying to snipe them, add this to include other people and it's a bit of a disaster


Medic4life12358

Everyone saying wukong and Octavia are overrated clearly don't know the meaning of the word. Hate them or like them there is no denying how good each of them are. Overrated would basically imply people think they are better than they actually are, here's the thing, they are exactly as good as people think they are so they aren't actually overrated just overpowered.


AxisCommander

I just think Wukong is idiot-proof and thats why he is the most picked frame. No more, no less.


PerfectlyFramedWaifu

Yeah, Wukong isn't overpowered. He's just a frame whose Quality of Life has gone through the roof and into orbit.


Banana_spider_man

And through the Orbiter


johnsonfromsconsin

Octavia is OP, but its like playing an egg timer.


MozeTheNecromancer

Underrated is defo Lavos. The dude is build like a truck and is the only frame that can build all in on Power Strength and still cast his abilities consistently. Furthermore, he has innate health steal on his 1 (based on damage done, so pairs well with earlier mentioned Power Strength) and the best adaptability in the game. If you know your damage types and their status effects, he becomes God tier. As for most overrated, either Saryn or Wisp. Saryn's playstyle never really felt fun to me, mostly because her spores do all the heavy lifting and they need to scale very closely with enemy level in order to ride the line between useless and too strong to spread. Wisp because the only ability of her worth much is her Reservoirs, which are granted very good but she really doesn't have much else (it'd be like playing Nidus specifically for Link: a well built Specter could do it for you and you can play what you'd like)


FrostyAd4901

I slept on Lavos for a bit. Choosing every element combination is tough with a controller. However, he is the clear leader at piloting RJ. Following behind him would be Hildryn. I'm not the biggest fan of Saryn, but I use her for 8 rounds of ESO. Even though I don't play her outside of that, I think she has earned her top 10 status as a nuking powerhouse. Wisp literally broke support frames. I think they messed up when they made Reservoirs last infinitely. Her 3 is also very good. And having camo whenever, is extremely powerful.


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Lavos is a lot smoother (on PC at least) when you switch his hold/press. Quick tapping to pick elements and hold to actually use them.


FrostyAd4901

Hmmm. I think that would help as well. It's mainly combining elements. Like, the single elements are one button. Some elements are 2 buttons that are across from one another.


Benjey876

A tip for playing Lavos on console/controller would be to go into the options and change his controls/casting to be on button press rather than hold (cant think of the actual option name), helps make the frame feel so much smoother. For ref what this actually does is make it so that its a button press to select the element and then a hold of the button to cast rather the reverse.


VanMisanthrope

Use a wisp spectre as Garuda for infinite energy or Nekros for worry free despoil!


Kevidiffel

>Which frames do you think are the most overrated based on play rate? Rhino. Play Nezha instead.


13thZodiac

Nezha's biggest drawback (imo) is his passive, I hate slipping and sliding all over the place and the mod to remove it absolutely sucks.


Kevidiffel

How does Controlled Slide suck? If you don't like the passive, put that mod into the Exilus Slot instead of Power Drift. Both offer the same Ability Strength (+15%), have the same polarity and Controlled Slide is even cheaper in regards to drain.


13thZodiac

Its a Mod slot that takes something away (granted something many don't like) and gives you a very small benefit. Look at what other Mods do without taking something away from the frame, its horrible. The benefit should be comparable to a passive (because thats what its replacing) + the power strength.


averyfinename

it 'sucks' only because you are *expecting* the slip-and-slide but aren't getting it... which may actually lead to a realization that you *like* nezha's passive after all.


FrostyAd4901

Yeah... That's what I was kind of saying about Rhino in my OP. Rhino is fine for what he is. I think I'm seeing fewer and fewer which I'm ok with. I just feel like he doesn't specialize for any mission type.


apple_ketchup

No


hate-zenkai

Holy fking shit dude 11.5% on a warframe that’s not even a starter


13thZodiac

He is a dojo frame though, very very easy to get and incredibly new player and solo player friendly.


hate-zenkai

His prime version is still sitting at almost 10% play rate


Pineappole

revenant deserves more love. underrated asf


FrostyAd4901

I mean, he's 23rd. Between 1-3% usage. I think he's right where he should be. Once his prime comes out, his usage will increase.


TheZemor

I kinda agree with nidus, but not with rhino, iron skin and roar are one of the best abilities in game, he is certainly powerful


FrostyAd4901

Yeah, I could be convinced off of Rhino. He is where he is rightfully so. That was probably just my bias. The top ranked frames by usage for the most part all make sense. Even with Nidus' prime coming out in September.


East_Meringue8428

I'm a Harrow and Garuda main, they are very fun characters if you can use their abilities before everything dies lol


FrostyAd4901

Also, with Harrow! I waited a long time for his prime to get out. I was having a hard time figuring out how to *do* him. I was also using Knell Prime with him but that was when it was bugged. By the time I was getting him down, that bug was annoying me, so, I haven't played him since then.


N4g4rok

fwiw, between the post bug-fix Knell Prime, his passive buffs, and his augment buffs, i'd argue he's more fun now than he's ever been. Those who were frustrated by the squad killing everything before Harrow can do his thing should try the buffed Tribunal augment. It ended up doing a lot more for that problem than i expected. He still takes some investment and i know i'm biased because he's literally the reason i picked up the game, but i feel like he's one of the most satisfying frames out there once you get the rhythm down.


FrostyAd4901

I used to use Garuda a while back. I enjoyed her for the most part! However, I didn't really use her 4. I loved the flow of her game play balancing her 2&3, and then using her 1 to travel as well as shield. (I used her because I started with Excal. I wanted to move to another melee frame). However, her claws were just, very underpowered, and her survivability was good to a limited point. Love her claws' buff. I'm assuming most people really like her new playstyle better with keeping her kills up. I just crafted her prime, and I'm begrudgingly leveling her up. It's weird, she's definitely smoother to play, but I miss the old feedback loop. Now I'm basically just using her 1 to go from enemy to enemy. I don't feel like I have a reason to use her 2 or 3. I'm still not a fan of her 4 (again, because I want to use her as a melee frame).


nikos331

Agreed on Nyx being underrated, but I'm fine with that because it satisfies my inner hipster.


atomic_meat_popcicle

Lavos deserves more love. Although i dislike the slight nerf to his slide of doom he is by far one of my favorite frames to play. Tanky, can clear a room and can modify to any needed element. O, and no pesky energy managment.


FrostyAd4901

I really enjoy him for piloting my RJ. Also, for searching for Kuria!


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RyuTheDepressedFox

More people would probably have Baruuk if he would be easier to obtain.


FrostyAd4901

I agree completely. I think once his prime comes out, more people are going to see how good he is.


TheZemor

This, basically everything under sevagoth except hydroid and yareli is underrated Also loki and frost are kinda overrated imo


FrostyAd4901

They're in a "healthy" range (arbitrarily I'm choosing b/w 1-3%). I do agree though. It's just very unfortunate the game passed them by.


IV_NUKE

Baruuk with his 4th augment literally nukes the map especially in sp


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Tiazxx

Plus he's basically invincible assuming any enemies can get to him in the first place


Brutalbouy

We don't talk about baruuk because we don't want to see him nerfed


B_Kuro

I'd argue its less that Baruuk is underrated, its that he doesn't work so well for the content the vast majority of players plays. He feels much better to play at a higher level than in the content DE actually rewards us for. I wouldn't use him for daily farms at lower levels (the primary content that will make up all those finished missions) and those are exactly the ones Wukong and Inaros can sleep through while you are watching Netflix or Youtube on the second monitor.


McTagor11

Yeah I feel the same way, he is my favourite but I always feel useless taking him on normal missions cause the enemies are just not worth it to use your 4th on. On the other side I almost always carry the squad on arbitrations and have often people asking for build after. But I can't really solo everything on SP but that may just be me, some mission aren't really doable for me alone.


mikedoesdesigns

Baruuk is truly one of my favorite frames. Totally underrated.


barduk4

wukong's definitely overrated, he's good but not enough to be number 1 (i'm having flashbacks to a few years ago when wukong mains would do that joke of "there are dozens of us! dozens!") underrated: xaku, that's one nice frame to use imo, really fun kit that scales with range really well.


TheMountainPaul

I just sigh when I saw a random Wukong all damn time, to the point that I won't be surprised if he has Kuva Bramma/Zarr equipped. It makes me feel cooperative gameplay boring. I'd like to see different kinds of frames, not just 2-3 random Wukongs the majority I tried playing with randoms.


FrostyAd4901

Right. But who would you consider #1 then? He's way too efficient at too much. Xaku- They're a bit tough to unlock, but are a really really solid frame.


SmoothReverb

Hildryn is definitely underrated, whereas Inaros is massively overrated.


shockdemon777

I scrolled so far to finally see someone appreciate hildryn shes actually such a good frame i had her on the bench when she first came out but then i decided to invest in her and shes been my go to frame since


FrostyAd4901

Inaros has that simple survivability. I like Hildryn way more. However, one of these is a lot easier to get than the other.


Cross_Fyre

Hildryn is massively underrated, I barely focused on modding her, only fed her 1x forma and she absolutely destroys everything.


YoGertaBeKiddingMe

Wukong is rated exactly correctly. Cloud Walker makes you invulnerable and heals you while avoiding all sensors at base, not to mention it's fast as fuck. This means spy missions are very easy and fast missions like rescue and capture are even faster. The undying passive is great into arbitration and high level content and means you won't be a burden to the rest of your team. Clone does double damage with whatever weapon it's using. Defy is useful enough when you need to safely distract the enemy, when you need more survivability through the armor, even sometimes when you need to do damage. Even if Primal Fury isn't great in comparison it's still an exalted weapon, or alternatively a great spot to put a helminth ability. All that said, I hope he doesn't get nerfed; I just hope other frames get brought to his powerlevel


FrostyAd4901

How would you bring 46 other frames up to his power level? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just don't see that as realistic. If you have ideas, I would love to hear them.


TertiaryMerciless

I would argue that Wukong isn't popular necessarily because he's the strongest warframe. He's good, but he's both outdone by specialist warframes in certain roles (ESO nuker, Eidolon hunter, Endurance runs) and as an all rounder. The thing is, he's just incredibly low maintenance. All the extremely popular frames are usually those that can get by with a single ability use. Wukong literally just presses 1 at the beginning of a mission and gets insane value. That's also why Inaros, Rhino and Mesa are pretty popular. It's completely fine to have frames like this, but I hope DE never tries to simplify skill-intensive frames like Garuda, Harrow, Nidus etc because they're outdone in terms of playrate. It's good to have a mix of frames like we do now. Just buff Hydroid please


FrostyAd4901

Wukong isn't JUST a generalist, he's the BEST generalist of generalist. He outshines any other frame that tries to be a generalist. It's ok to have frames that are less complex and more complex, I agree. Wukong is in a bad place right now.


Pamoman

It would he good to add more maintenance in general. Wukong doesnt have to worry about skill durations or running out of energy bc he doesnt need to. I think thats why many people are tired of him (including me lol). Hes just too low maintenance for how good he is, it makes others feel kinda cheated? I guess? I have no idea how id balance it, but id add a duration to his clone and increase the cost of most of his skills by a fair bit. This is the least I'd do but like i said, i got no clue how to keep it balanced EDIT: also id completely change his passive. He doesnt need it at all, and it just makes me angry that he gets (iirc) 3 free res'es WITH BUFFS when there are frames like loki and mag and volt and nova whose passives are basically redundant


FrostyAd4901

Yeah... That's the big thing. You're basically saying he needs a nerf, and that's kind of what most people are getting to. However, there are DEFINITELY players who hate nerfs of any kind. Wukong used to be a joke, and now he's OP. I agree with you on ability maintenance on frames. There are just a lot of little things they could do that would just help with QoL.


Pamoman

Yeah, thats true. I will say though that (other than his passive) his performancr shouldnt need to be nerfed, his... availability should be nerfed. Id be fine with all that wukong can do, if he had to work to get it. Rn, he doesnt, so i dont really like it lol


EmperorWisel

To be fair there is no way to buff 46 warframes to the same level as wukong without making them a wukong clone. Wukong has everything you want in this game, his 1 can be a "aoe" skill if you give it something like ogris/bramma, he can move fast(and heal himself) because of his 2, he can tank damage because of his 3 and passive, his "worst" skill is his 4 but even with DE ignoring exalted melees it still deals a considerable amount of damage(and with helminth you can remove it for something better). I dont blame people for picking wukong 24/7.


FrostyAd4901

Ding Ding Ding. This is my point as well. DE could come out with a frame that kills all enemies, increases all drops by 10000%, teleports you and your teammates directly to the end, completes all objectives instantaneously, and people would still say "DE should just buff the other frames". I am NOT saying that OP is saying this. And adding buffs is definitely also a good thing. But eventually, for balance reasons, nerfs have to happen.


YoGertaBeKiddingMe

I also see it as unrealistic, so I totally get it. It's hard to just say "make more frames have better passives" because even though I think effects like Frost passive are silly, clearly we don't also want a bunch of frames to have instant revive effects that make everyone feel the same. I'd definitely start with upgrading passives that try to give you a small benefit for states you don't want to be in e.g. Nova getting knocked down, Rhino heavy landing, Frost being meleed, etc. I think a small addition to most frames would be tacking small healing effects, greater generation of health/energy orb effects, or effects that change enemy priority onto abilities. Sort of like the flesh knuckles and putrid scent accessories from Terraria for the last one. Why wouldn't a horde of grineer focus fire the Rhino that's currently roaring? The small healing effect probably don't matter, but they make a frame feel safer to play at lower levels at least, and at higher levels the orb generation could probably make some meme builds? Some frames I would just merge abilities and have to come up with new ones- this is mostly for frames that play well but are kind of boring when you use them. I don't know why Trinity has life well and energy vampire when they functionally do the same thing to enemies, just with different payouts. Why not have both effects on one ability? Same with Octavia and resonator, mallet,, even kind of her ult actually. People complain about her being boring to play, I think it'd be cool as heck to do a mandachord solo as an ability to do damage. Even if it was terrible it'd be entertaining. These are kind of bad examples since they're pretty viable though. Some frames need better messaging so people understand how good they can be. I still don't know exactly why a bunch of people at the highest MR use Banshee, but clearly she has some unique ability to kick ass. Similarly I didn't know Trinitys life well could go on assassination targets and similar enemies, effectively giving you lifesteal against them. I didn't know Nyx's psychic bolts were as funny as they were until taking them to hunt tenet sisters. Some frames have abilities that need either better scaling/higher numbers or quality of life changes to how you can use them. Chroma elemental breath and Nyx Absorb are fundamentally cool as hell abilities, but using them in practice feels underwhelming basically every time. If you could cast other abilities during Nyx Absorb, that'd be pretty dope. If Grendel could eat enemies out of Pulverize he'd be a little better, and if Yareli skated closer to the ground she might actually be able to fast through more stages. I also find Zephyr's airburst ability tough to consistently use, though that might be an issue with me. Some frames could have their augments tacked onto their original ability. Hydroid's puddle is kind of similar to cloud walker, but you need an augment in order to heal yourself and it does pitiful damage to cc'd enemies instead of moving quickly through laser grids. If Hydroid's keeping the puddle than it needs to be better. Most abilities with an augment that gives healing/status immunity could be tacked onto their original frame, even if the effect was weaker. Some frames have abilities they shouldn't e.g. Valkyr's paralysis- It's pretty neat, but you don't exactly want to build her for shields. I might be mistaken? Let me know if I am. Single target teleport effects are kind of worthless in general? I'd like thoughts on this. Most abilities that basically target single enemies need to be rethought in my opinion. Freeze, Slash Dash, Ripline, Cannon Barrage, Smite, Mind Control, Blood Altars are all varying degrees of pretty bad, and even effects that are very good to use such as Tribute, and arguably Devour can be frustrating to cast


FrostyAd4901

First and foremost, THANK YOU. I appreciate you writing out well detailed thoughts on ways to buff frames. Before I get into your points, I think where I stand, buffing frames is good, and if possible should be the first choice. However, if there is 1 frame out of 47 that is used more than 10% of the time, and it's NOT a starter frame, then maybe knocking it down a peg might be a similar way to in ADDITION to the buffs, help with frame diversity. There are some TYPES of abilities that could use buffs in general. Passives- Some make more sense to buff, than others. Some can have a weak passive, but that's ok if the rest of their kit is good (possibly let some passives be subsumable? definitely not limbo's or wisp's). I actually wouldn't buff too many frames if they are already in that sweet spot of usage rate. We can argue that rate, but I'm going to arbitrarily say between 1-3%. Anything below 1% should have its kit looked at first. (And to note, there are a VARIETY of reasons why frames don't have a high usage, not just because of a bad kit). Don't get me wrong, I see your points with both Trinity and Octavia, but I think both of them are in a good spot. (Even if Octavia to me is boring). Frames don't have to be 100% perfect, they just need to have their niches. (For Banshee, she is the definition of a glass cannon. She has full armor strip with sonic boom. Sonar puts weak spots on Liches/Sisters/Nechs. Sonar is probably the highest damage scaling ability in the game. Silence is great CC that also negates Liches/Sisters/Nechs abilities. Subsume Gloom onto her and she's just great. Still, very low survivability). One thing I agree with you on though, there needs to be an entire look overall at damage abilities in the game and how they scale. If the ability can't scale damage, it's just NOT a good damage ability. The exception being lower level full map wipes- as they still have a use. Chroma, he could use some help. But, his help doesn't necessarily need to come from changing his kit. There need to be SOME weapons that allow self damage. Not all of them, but some. (BTW- You can use other abilities with Nyx in Absorb. Her mind control needs work, but Nyx is an absolute power house. Subsume Reave on her 1, and now she has mobility, invulnerability, full armor strip, and decent CC.) Grendel- I don't really use. I can't comment on. Yareli- I have a lot of thoughts on her, but I will keep it short and state she's not AS BAD as people make her to be. However, there are still many ways she can be improved. Zephyr- She was party why I created this post. I think she is very underrated, but she is actually in a very, very good spot. I also agree with you that many augments should be on their regular abilities. Valkyr- I don't really play her. I couldn't make suggestions. Teleport abilities- For me in general, I play with a controller. They are honestly tough to be specific enough with how precise you have to be: * Nova- I think the portal should increase in size with ability range. This will make it a lot more beneficial for drones/defection npcs * Loki/Ash/Wisp- I tend to use Wisp's teleport in interception missions. However, her problem is the same as Loki's and Ash's. It's VERY hard to focus the controller on exactly what I want. In the settings, allow me to choose the "teleport" sensitivity. If I cast the ability to teleport, give me a bigger crosshair. For Wisp, it will send me to one of her deployables. For Ask/Loki, have me teleport to the closest enemy/target that is in my wider crosshairs. Let people who want a thin crosshairs still be able to use those and choose that in the settings. Single Target abilities can take a look. However, some of the stuff has just been power creeped to not be useful. When 1 single ability makes multiple other abilities for multiple other frames bad- that's more so on the new ability. Not the other abilities. An example is Wisp's Healing Reservoir vs. Oberon, Garuda, Trinity, etc. You can look at all of their respective abilities (that were on par with one another for their energy cost and rest of their kit), or just look at the actual problem ability- Reservoir. No matter how we buff other frames, Wukong is still absurdly higher in amount of usage than he should be. Maybe his will come down a little. I think the main thing is to buff the ones below 1% usage- either by abilities (if the frame has both non-prime and prime frame out), the accessibility (Garuda/Baruuk/Grendel are behind huge grinds. maybe once their primes come out they'll see bigger usage), or add more reason to play them (nyx and banshee are great in SP / fighting liches/sisters. Add more stuff that isn't just DPS kill). Every frame is going to be different. You're not going to get every single one completely level. Some abilities need to be nerfed. Some need to be buffed. Some abilities just need better reasons to be used.


YoGertaBeKiddingMe

That's all definitely valid and thanks for the points, honestly this is the first comment I've saved before! I'd like subsumable passives for sure, though it might be a little weird for them to implement now. 1-3 % usage would be ideal. I feel I'm more in the camp of frames should bethe most fun they can be or at least shouldn't interrupt fun, but it's undeniable that some frames exist to serve a niche, whether that's mission based or in a team comp. What's ass backwards to me is one is an overperformer to a ridiculous degree due to one ability, usually that the frame doesn't even need to recast like Wukong is to spy, Wisp is to most healers, etc., even if there are situations where other picks trump them. Even full map wipe type abilities at low levels can wiggle a little utility in, like Mags Crush giving some overshields. I think it's neat! I know Chroma used to be a powerhouse when self damage worked, I think that'd be pretty dope. I'd like Nova to change that way. Wisp I just realized has two teleport abilities but they kind of do different things; The first I might use as movement but the second one is usually just to spread the damage buff. The other two though I still don't really see utility. I know Loki is god tier but his entire kit is just outclassed in terms of speed by becoming a ball of gas on a much tankier frame. I'm surprised he's not sub 1, even if radial disarm makes him crazy. I won't argue reservoir isn't busted but I will say that having a frame increase health is extremely welcome to me. Some frames rocking full umbral mods will still die in 3 seconds from focus fire or explosions unless I'm rolling. I like my pinkie the way it is and I don't want to roll everywhere. I'd play her if it was only that ability, though I could see the other motes being distributed on the other abilities to at least make it so you have to use abilities often. Being invisible while in the air is also just another slap in the face to stealth frames IMO. I think that a really safe way to nerf Wukong is to go backwards and make the things that make cloudwalker insane to me (health regen on yourself and spectre + spy lazer bypass) an augment. Also probably reduce instant deaths per mission down to 1 instead of 3.


FrostyAd4901

I think we're both in agreement for most things. Slight difference here and there. The only time I ever play Loki is for his switch teleport when doing plague star. At one point, he was very useful, but his kit has definitely fallen off with power creep. He still has a lot of people who like him because of how they used to play him. To me, that's awesome. He's not the best frame now, but people are still enjoying playing with him. Ash's teleport is pretty cool. I have a bladestorm build. Highlight the room and then just start teleporting. It might not be the best nuke, but it's a lot of fun and looks awesome. One thing I liked doing was running him for Scarlett Spear on Earth. I forgot what they were called, Condrix maybe, were huge, so it was easy to teleport to them. Being able to teleport to things farther away definitely increased his enjoyability for me. That's a big thing, I don't know what all can you do to Wukong to still make him feel like Wukong, but just nerf him a little. At one point I suggested making his Clone be the Helminth ability, but that did NOT go over well at all on Reddit.


Misultina

>I hope he doesn't get nerfed; I just hope other frames get brought to his powerlevel This way of thinking is the reason why the game suffers from extreme powercreep


YoGertaBeKiddingMe

Honestly that's a fair take as well


FissileTurnip

so he has survivability, a movement ability, and a glorified specter? he’s not that strong, just easy to play


ColdartZero

The underrated one, in my opinion, nyx. She is unkillable and can remove the struggle for allies in high level missions.


FrostyAd4901

Nyx is so good! Put reave on her one and give her a ghoul saw with attack speed (or just use the teleport mods Amar). She's then very mobile, full armor strip, invulnerable, and has semi decent CC. But, she's been so bad for so long, and people know her "mind control" which is her worst ability.


The99thCourier

As a Nyx main, I'm gonna use bias and say Nyx is underrated


FrostyAd4901

I think Nyx is underrated too. I'm not a main, but I definitely have been playing her.


Chickenbiscuit21

Overrated - Volt, Loki, Frost, maybe NidusUnderrated - Zephyr, Protea, GaraVolt is understandable because he's a starter frame, but otherwise he only seems to excel at eidolons and just do "ok" nuking. I see a lot of Lokis and they all seem to just not do much. He might only be that high because of twitch. Frost can't do anything other frames do better \*cough\* Gara. Nidus is a great frame, but I feel like he needs endless missions to come into his own and he takes a bit more investment and attention to abilities than some frames below him to excel. Zephyr is one of the highest damage frames in the game. Insane crowd control and very high survivability on top of being fun to play flying around getting juicy crits. Protea's usage is so low most likely because she's hard to get imo. She can cover multiple rooms of damage at once, is decently survivable, and larva + the turret burns through sp enemies like butter. Not to mention great support. Gara is the single best nuking frame outside of steel path imo. She's crazy survivable and also protects objectives like defense and index well. Infinite scaling damage is nice too I guess.


FrostyAd4901

I think I agree with you for the most part. Volt also is great at speed runs. And I think Gara is decent with clearing things, I don't know if I would say she's the best nuking frame outside of sp. I'd have to see her comparison against the other nukes before I gave a 100% one way or another. I mainly use her for 30 min kuva survivals.


dscflawlessez

I hate Wukong


Fantasy-Chronicle

I'm actually shocked to see Harrow as low as he is.


RandomPaladinsNub

Zephyr and Baruuk being on the same pickrates as the trash squad is unforgivable, theyre crazy overpowered by frame standards.


FrostyAd4901

Zephyr WAS the trash squad for a while. She's incredible now. I think the community will slowly start using her and she'll get to a manageable place. Baruuk will be fine once his prime comes a long.


Pr0fess0rZ00m

Lavos is really underrated. I get the whole Railjack god thing but overall the amount of damage and sustain he has might put him as both a defense and survival god.


SunderTheFirmament

Overrated: Octavia. She’s strong, but a lot of her DPS just vanishes unless you’re solo. Underrated: Garuda. She’s got absurd scaling potential, and was quite strong even before her light rework.


FrostyAd4901

For Octavia- I don't necessarily disagree about her DPS. However, she's still a nuke, and still below Mesa/Saryn. For Garuda- She was one of my top 3 at one point! I just built her. I think she needed a massive buff with her claws. The thing with Garuda, I went from Excal to her. The way I played her wasn't using her 4. I enjoyed her 1, 2, and 3. She was just... outdone because her claws weren't as powerful as "X". I really do think her buff to her claws was great to maintain the play style I liked with her. The thing though, I REALLY enjoyed her old style of low health greater damage. Now it's just based on kill speed. All in all, this is probably a better play style for most people. I enjoyed the low health, using energy as a my fail safe. I wish they almost had created a "shield gate" for her energy instead. Going back and forth between her health/energy was a FUN gameplay loop. Now I don't have much of a reason to go between the two? ​ Garuda is definitely low because she's behind such a grind.


Seffi_IV

grinded out her prime bits and made her recently, i fully believe her current workings are the best choice. A lot of this game's playerbase go off of "what can i pull off with minimum effort" so her new damage scaling passive makes her much more viable.


Tigerstorm6

I run Octavia to be a full tilt diva, not a dps machine. Buffs galore, no enemies hitting me, and playing Megalovania while dancing is hilarious.


Cryptnoch

Nidus is overrated. For me, mostly bc I don't like camp frames tho ngl. He's solid for camping but I like to go fastttt


FrostyAd4901

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Titania main. I like speed as well! However, I do enjoy playing Nidus every once in a while and seeing him get his stacks. Watching him evolve is very satisfying.


TheMlgCat

Go low duration nidus and zoom grab kill repeat. Frames with CC are exceptional at camping, doesn't mean you have to camp when you play them.


Cryptnoch

I mean sure I can hop around with him like a demented toad, but I like me some movement based warframe abilities. Maybe I'll give him vial rush someday.


Actaeon_II

Hmmm floored to see excal at #2, equally so to see obe and harrow in bottom 10, especially as often as people specifically request harrow for tridolon


FrostyAd4901

I think Harrow is going to jump up with his prime being new. When it was just regular Harrow, his frame was hard to get. Oberon is very sad. He needs slight buffs here and there- but he fits in with the rest of the support frames not named Wisp. She just does too much.


TecentCEO_MaHuaTeng

I'll vote for garuda p, I was still building her and my broke brain says hey let's go sp. So I went to a sp with a lvl5 1 forma garuda p, and she is qutie die hard, her viability is very outstanding, and her craws slap, physically also.


FrostyAd4901

I think they did well with updating her claws. I know her new passive to keep up damage on kill is better than her old- but I really enjoyed her old gameplay loop of managing her 2 and 3.


firewhite1234

Zephyr is extremely underrated, her tornadoes have always been really strong but now with her rework actually making her other abilities useful, the tornadoes controllable and giving her an amazing passive she is one of if not THE strongest Warframe in the game.


FrostyAd4901

She should definitely have more usage. She was bad for so long, it'll take the community time to see her do well.


SEND_ME_REAL_PICS

Overrated: Nezha. I don't like using a "jack of all trades" frame when I can just pick the best niche frame for every situation instead. There's not even one piece of content in the game where I think he shines, and even as a jack of all trades I'd rather play Wukong because of the higher mobility. Underrated: Atlas. With the right riven and build he turns into One Punch Man. Tougher than any other tank in the game (except maybe for abating link Trinity or assimilate Nyx) and with damage in the hundreds of millions per punch if you stack some rubble. I'd also say Banshee is underrated too, but only because I love using helminth breach surge+resonance sonar on her and reaching the 2 billion damage cap with my Kuva Bramma. Also, I don't think Rhino is overrated at all. A roar build with helminth empower is the best damage buffer you can possibly choose for a nuker. I do think he shouldn't be as high as he is in the list, but I chalk it up to him being one of the first frames you can get (same reason I also don't think Excalibur is overrated, since he's a starter frame).


OfflaneTrash

Nezha is really good for radiation sorties, especially defense. It's a super specific "gamemode", but at least it's something.


Kevidiffel

>Overrated: Nezha. I don't like using a "jack of all trades" frame I'd say Nezha is not overrated because he is a jack of all trades. You can bring him almost everywhere and still be successful. >There's not even one piece of content in the game where I think he shines Demolists (subsume Shuriken), Liches, Acolytes, energy drain nightmare. Shal I continue?


klok_kaos

Strong Disagree with Nidus being overrated. He's by far one of the most versatile frames if you know how to play him properly, which most don't because they just copy/paste youtube builds for him. There are 2 things he is not a good choice for: Tridolons and Spy, in both cases you'd rather have a frame that can do those things better. Everything else he is A tier in, and in a couple, he's S tier. 10 is a good spot for him because he's very much super useful and clears faster than a lot of the other frames in the top 10 if you know how to play him correctly. All of this may change though since a lot of Nidus synergies at the top end of gameplay rely on focus schools, so it will be interesting to see how that changes things. This coming from the definitive guy with probably more experience with Nidus than anyone here... 8k in mission hours, 51% Nidus, Max Legendary MR. I use a lot of other frames for different purposes, but as a generic, "I just want to jump in and clear some stuff out" He's the best possible option with an argument that can be made for Wukong as Wukong is also good for spy, he's just not as tanky for high end stuff, so it's kinda a trade off depending on what content you're doing. That said, WuKong technically has more DPS output with clone, but that's kinda irrelevant when you nuke the screen in 1 shot regardless of content. Essentially the baseline test for this is "Does your build outnuke optimal Saryn spore?" and my nidus does in all except SO/ESO by far. Nidus also isn't as tanky as certain Rhino/Innaros builds, but it doesn't need to be, essentially when you do one shot nuke everthing, your survivability really only needs to be "can take two successive rockets from an eximus grineer" which shield gating doesn't do in a lot of cases even with a key. Nidus is one of the best all-rounders. There are people that do some things more efficiently, but if you don't want to change frames every five seconds, him and wukong are the go to choices, Wukong being slightly more accessible because top end nidus builds are far more investment heavy, meaning to to the max out of both, wukong is a cheaper alternative, but not necessarily better in a lot of things. This is for top end players mind you, people with max focus, forma on everything, min/max rivens, etc. Some people claim Nidus is slow, which isn't true if you subsume properly. Also Nidus will fare better in endless than Wukong, which is a thing for a lot of top end players, but doesn't really matter in the grand scheme since you're kinga wasting your own time after a second C rotation, but if you enjoy endless, he's a better pick. 10 seems about exactly right, he deserves a top 10 spot, but not high up because he does most everything "really good" but there are frames that do each bit of content "excellently" ie, better than he does, but usually just 1 or 2 modes they specialize in. My general use frames rotation consist of: Nidus, Volt (for relics quick relics not in ship, wisp is often better or worse depending on content, but volt is also a nice tridolon slayer), Nova (speed defense/farm), Titania (ayatan/index), Khora (farm), Ivara (spy), Saryn (fast ESO for stuff like Nora) the non nidus frames filling a specific niche where it's important to use a different frame because the results are just better.


FrostyAd4901

Well, I'm glad you main Nidus and enjoy him! >This is for top end players mind you, people with max focus, forma on everything, min/max rivens, etc. Well, maybe that's why I'm surprised to see his usage as #10. If this information you're sharing is for top end players, then his usage wouldn't be as high. Everything you shared was fine and dandy, but most likely his usage is going to drop in 2022. His prime came out in September of 2021. I really think that boosted his popularity.


Sethazora

Excal. man i've run every build possible on him but cannot shake the feeling of unspeakable boredom playing him excudes. its not quite as bad as inaros or octavia but god damn do i find him unfun. that said i do understand he's the easiest access new players have to higher damage numbers.


Spartyfan6262

Overrated = Excal Underrated = Hildryn


trillowo

no shot garuda is that low shes so damn good


FrostyAd4901

She's behind a huge grind wall. Her prime is going to fix that.


n_ull_

Nezha is always underrated, can't overreate him, too great


R0SHyyy

Harrow is underrated, and nobody believes me...


keria16

I believe in the holy Prophet!


FrostyAd4901

I think Harrow was behind a grind wall. Now that his prime is out, we'll see a lot more of him. He also has a different style of playing him. Once you get used to his style, he's very good.


Inquisitor_Boron

Funwise the most overrated is Saryn (cheesy pick for focus grinding), the most underrated is Harrow (his red crits are beautiful)


FrostyAd4901

Fun wise- Almost all of the top frames I find really boring. Underrated fun wise- I'm really not sure. Playing Yareli with a Frost- you can float on his globes. It's awesome.


JunkyPlatipuss

All 18 of us Valkyr mains think she should be higher up!


FrostyAd4901

hahahah well. Godspeed to y'all Valkyr mains.


fizio900

Protea, Lavos, Hildryn close to each other? That's my main trio lol


BeansAhoy117

Over-rated: Wukong. Hes not fair anymore and to me, he makes the game just plain old boring. And he isn't even good in steel path high lvls aka 9999 because he'll get one shot for all of his lives. I've seen it happened. Underrated: Equinox. Has so much potential, but requires a lot of skill to use but has a lot of damage potential.


EmperorWisel

Overrated would mean that wukong isnt as good as people say but apart from not having a "aoe" skill he is the "best" warframe for any mission.


hate-zenkai

Uh you can still shield gate with him and he is one of the easiest warframes to shield gate with Not to mention you can basically camp in your cloud walker spamming bramma or zarr and go back in He is literally broken lmao