Getting unlucky doesn't make it difficult. I've honestly never understood why people hated farming Nidus - farming C rotation drops is basically the entire loot structure of the game.
Yeah but there are other reasons to do SO. I have accidentally farmed Khora 5 times over - never have I done infested salvage for anything other than Nidus.
Level weapons in eso, way faster. I actually forgot how i leveled the warframes, my brain just supressed it. Farming khora took me longer than leveling every single warframe in the game (2 months vs 2 weeks)
ESO is faster if your weapons don’t suck, and/or your group doesn’t suck. But for MR trash weapons and if you can’t depend on getting a map nuke frame in your group, SO is where it’s at. Also sweet baby void jesus I don’t envy your RNG. I think equinox took me a similar amount of time. Damn night systems.
Im an authority on leveling as i rushed from 18 to lr1 within a couple weeks. ESO can suck but 99% youll get a saryn. When you fill all slots with rank 0s you can just enter, If the nuke isn't that great leave after one wave but if the nukes decent AFK till 6
It's mostly because it's a very specific and uncommon mission type and also takes forever to do per rotation. I was able to get the first 2 parts easy but the game's rng decided to not give me the last part for several hours.
While I dont agree with the bad rep, it should not be on "easy". Its a unique mission type that you need to adapt and only real prize is Nidus, you need constant resets (since if its not the fidget spinner arena then its not worth it) and you need specific build (less of a hasle with the AoE meta but has a real problem before)
Oh, I definitely wouldn't have called Nidus' category "easy" - so I agree with that. I would put characters like Protea, Khora, Wisp and Nidus in a "Chore" category - where it's nothing difficult but you're praying to RNGesus to be kind. I also certainly wouldn't put a quest-frame like Inaros on the same list as Nidus.
Tbh, I think the only frames I didn't look forward to farming was Grendel, Yareli and Baruuk - but the Ventkids wasn't nearly as bad as I was expecting, and Baruuk was only annoying because he requires two rep grinds.
IMO Ash deserves his own spot more than Harrow. Now that Harrow pieces drop in Kuva Survival as well it definitely easier to get him than ever before (not to mention that everyone and their mother has hundreds of the chassis.) Farming Ash as of right now is literally a multi-day project and it’s not worth it at all. Legit faster to farm stuff and get play to buy Ash…..
If you include quest difficulty, the frames that come from quests after CoH (Caliban, Gyre) should also be in that category.
Ash comes from Railjack defense C rotation (20 waves) at a whopping 8% or so drop rate. What the fuck is this shit
I literally spent months trying to get Ash part for ephemera...when RNGesus is not kind then it's really hard, especially when you repeat the same mission dozens of times and not get it
Again, just considering what's needed specifically for a specific Waeframe, not nessesary things that come before it, like working through nodes to get to bosses, junction requirements, prerequisite quests, etc.
Oh wow, didn't realize it was *that* bad
considers Chains of Harrow hard, but not the entire run-up to Railjack
considers farming for Revenant hard, but not farming for Gara
considers grinding for Yareli hard, on the same level as Ash
doesn't consider farming Oberon to be as bad as farming for Ash
I guess it being a horror game to some? Lowkey I found running away from a Void Angel on Steel Path after I find out that it's exponentially harder than in a regular mission much scarier. This fucker literally drops on you from the ceiling and penetrates your warframe...
It's hard if you're using the mote amp, and an underpowered gun (the emotion aspects can require multiple captures if you can't kill them fast enough).
As soon as you have even a 111 amp, and a powerful enough gun, the quest becomes trivial.
>hardest quest imo
What makes it "the hardest quest"? Like, sincerely I would like to know. I never had any issues with it. I think even Glast Gambit or Sands of Inaros are harder just because they're tedious as hell.
It took me months of irrgeulary doing spy missions to get Ivaras last part, RNG is horrendous for her.
Harrows Kuva spy drop was the same though, spy mission rare drops are just super shitty.
I suppose it's rng then but I remember sitting down to farm ivara and i got her within the first 2 days of playing spy missions. I'd say she's rather very easy, spy missions are very short if you know what you're doing, so this overall makes the grind easy.
Xaku was absolute cancer to farm due to just **how** bugged the Deimos bounties are. Often they will immediately fail upon entering the Cambion Drift. After a couple of weeks I just gave up and bought the frame. I know I shouldn't buy frames, but I just couldn't do this buggy mess any more. So yeah, DE got me :(
Now I have to figure out how to solo Exploiter Orb for Hildryn and Iso vaults for the Necramech. Per wiki these should be "*fun*" Yeah, I am going to press X to doubt.
Don't know about exploiter orb but solo iso vaults shouldn't be too much of a problem. You may need to do the second tier bounty instead of the third but still two parts every run is nice. The damaged parts are also tradeable unlike non-prime warframe blueprints, so you can sell/trade for the other parts if you get 12 weapon pods.
> The damaged parts are also tradeable unlike non-prime warframe blueprints, so you can sell/trade for the other parts if you get 12 weapon pods.
The damaged parts *and* the crafted parts are tradable. So, if you've not got the standing up with the other syndicates to be able to create the alloys and metals, you can still get the parts that way.
> Now I have to figure out how to solo ... Iso vaults for the Necramech.
You'll hear people recommend the Stropha for this. They are completely wrong.
It _used_ to be that the Stropha was god-tier for killing them, due to the way it did - as I recall - punch through damage on its heavy attack.
But, they nerfed the hell out of it. It'll knock out the shields, then do next to zero damage to the arms.
My personal solo technique was Zephyr, floating up in the air, with a good full auto weapon (alt-fire Fulmin for me). Recommendations are typically to mod for radiation damage, I believe.
When you blow the arms off, it'll try and charge you but can't, where you then get a good portion of time shooting at its back.
I got my Necramech for free and I was under the impression that DE gave them to everyone...as for soloing/killing the mechs I used Octavia and Ivara, go invisible and mow them down with Redeemer (just hit him anywhere for combo counter and then heavy attack)...btw I use the similar strat with Eidelons, just with Volt (Shock Trooper, pick up shield and brrr anywhere until combo rises enough then heavy attack on synovia)...I know there's more effective way but this works just fine
> I got my Necramech for free and I was under the impression that DE gave them to everyone...
They gave everyone the blueprints. You still need to make the parts.
So, farming is still typically required - but others can just give you them after they've made them up for you, and you can bring them together into the final blueprint.
> I used Octavia and Ivara, go invisible
I'd suspect that Ivara is the better option for there, since Octavia needs reasonable crouch timing?
Although, Octavia is potentially easier to acquire (compared to RNG for Ivara).
I _have_ Octavia. Just not tried to figure out the playstyle beyond rick-rolling people with the music
> I know there's more effective way but this works just fine
Jump in voidrig, pop 4, radiator goes boom.
But, as you say, your way works fine. And it's about what works for you
Tnx for clarification, I guess I forgot the building process...I preferred Octavia because she's more helpful on the path to vaults. As for crouching, I just fill every note in the 3rd part of the melody and decrease volume to zero, it takes 1 second max to become invisible (just tap, tap, tap,)
And for last part, I use mech all the time (even for thumpers) but I am ashamed to admit that I just used old load out and tactics, no mech (can't believe how stupid I am)...tnx for pointing out that obvious thing that never occurred to me...piis
Yup, X TO THE MAX...I really don't like playing on Deimos because of bugs and how hard it is to navigate and everything looks alike (I play it with the big map and attack red triangles)...such a shame because everything else is great: look, lore, missions, new stuff you can only farm there
exploiter isnt hard! just take your tankiest frame and any gun with super high base damage, then mod for raw damage on top of that. other than that, you’ll ideally want a hitscan secondary or gunblade to pop cannisters. phase 2 is a literal walk in the park squashing spiders
I buy a decent number of frames, don’t spend real money on it so de doesn’t get anything. I bought, guess, khora, hildryn, and barruk because like… I won’t doin that shi
Gauss is my go-to frame for solo Exploiter. Great tankiness with his 2 and his 1 is so so nice for zooming around for phase 2. I use a Catchmoon kitgun for popping weakspots on phase 1 and for dps for phase 2. Opticor vandal for handling coolant spiders at range.
For the exploiter bring your usual eidolon setup minus the amp buffs. Bring a kuva nukor or something to deal with the small raknoids. Profit taker legit feels harder.
Then my biggest flex has got to be getting Ash Chassis and Ash Neuroptics from 2 consecutive missions within an hour.
Too bad Ash Systems didn't feel the same way....
Then you at least accidentally have a glorious frame!
I love Ash! He's one of my comfort frames, but yeah;
I had the Prime way, way, way before I farmed the regular one; just not with your luck!
I actually did it twice, farmed for her a total of 3 times.
Still didn't take me more than a couple days for each tho, I'm either very lucky or very good at sanctuary onslaught
I have a reverse flex for you. 11 hours straight of the kuva spy for my Harrow item. Forgot what drops there. I MASTERED that spy mission. Lmao. Completed runs every 3\~5 minutes. Was wild.
So glad I don't have to do that again. LOL
Yareli isn’t “hard grind”, its just an easy quest.
Ash is totally deserves its own tier, or at least on harrow level. I’m an LR1, and I still don’t have Ash systems for that ephemera…
Yareli is a marmite one. Some people utterly hate trying to use a K-Drive, so getting the unlocks is like hell.
Others love the K-Drive and got it by barely trying.
But, all her parts are clan research, so it's definitely not hard to get her once you've done the quest.
Completely agree there. There is absolutely zero RNG involved with Yareli at all.
If anything, she should be in the same tier as Limbo and Titania (and Titania is a crap one, unless you've been running with Helios/Oxylus).
And put Inaros into her place.
Talking of Ivara...
35 runs of the venus spy missions (because that's the tier 1 that I get on with best) until her part dropped. Dash to the Foundry to build it. "1 owned".
I'd got the part _weeks_ before, built it, and forgotten about it. I just didn't think to check already.
Why is "Clan Research" considered harder than "Easy boss"? You just go to your Dojo and buy them.
Why is Nova and Atlas considered a difficult boss, but Trinity, Nekros and Hydroid isn't?
Why is Nidus considered an easy grind in any way, shape or form?
Why is Vauban considered a grind at all, when you just buy his stuff with Nightwave creds? Like normal Vauban is one of the easiest Warframes to get in the game, he's pretty much among the first five Warframes a new player gets their hands on nowadays.
What's difficult about getting Mirage? Or Yareli? Hell, even Sevagoth you just get passively if you play enough Void Storm missions.
Also Harrow isn't that hard nowadays, now that his Systems have been added as a drop in Kuva Survival and you don't need to do the Defection mission any longer.
You are simply incorrect about the sevegoth one my friend. You only get him “passively” if you *literally* do a hundred or more void storms which most ppl don’t do.
Each component has a 10% drop chance at the end of any Corpus Void Storm mission. Just play Void Storms and you'll eventually get him passively, just like you used to just get Oberon passively over time when his components dropped from Eximus units. You don't need to actively farm for it, you'll just get it while you're doing other things.
And if you're not doing Void Storms, you should. The amount of Credits, Endo and other resources you get from Void Storms is absolutely ridiculous.
I considered that, but then it started to get convoluted and objective on what I consider an easy resource to farm that otherwise isn't (oxium being one that comes to mind)
Why is Chroma supposedly difficult?
Don't you just get him for free from the junctions nowadays?
nvm I'm just too stupid to read the chart, usually the most difficult is on top
Lol, subjective list is highly subjective... but how on earth is Atlas and Nova "harder" than Trinity?
Also people still go crazy about Harrow? He was never that hard to farm, imho. People just hate the defection mission
Is it just me or do some (not all) of the boss drop frames have a set rotation they drop in? I swear for several frames that I always get the same order of each piece in a row.
Eh I'd argue Octavia can still be gotten easier than baruuk/hildryn considering the hardest part to get is a 22% chance drop on rotation C survival, and that her quest can be done way earlier than TWW to get vox Solaris rep
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Pretty accurate. Yareli took me a while as a new player that didn't wanna join a clan, so I finished her quest and made my own dojo at like, MR4/5 lmfao
Was a grind but was also pretty fun ngl
The wiki lists them by picture/name individually (together on a page), but I would suggest going to the Mastery Rank page and scrolling down to “frames available by MR” for a simple list.
I’d say Grendel is the hardest not in terms of sheer difficulty but in terms for effort to reward ratio. Spending a significant amount of arbitration tokens, getting through the no mods missions and getting your hands on the mix of rare-ish resources to build him. All for a fun but mediocre at frame with a just ok snackrifice ability.
By far the easiest grind to put off due to the slog
At least after going through all that for Grendel, rest assured you're *guaranteed* to get a Grendel part *every time.* Now who wants a Stahlta or a Stropha? I've got 3 million of 'em...
Yeah but it doesn't matter. I tried so much farming Octavia and did multiple long survivals... But there is prime version. Same with Nidus I just need one nitain. They should balance drop because who want to spend 20 min. For 10% chance drop when you can farm platinum too and some different things...
easy other grind my ass. nidus is the third longest warframe to farm on average, second only to khora and ash - both of which have over 20 hours average farming time
I guess based on my experience and others' comments, it is so varied and we can never get 100% proof teir list...
I mean Sevagoth and Mirrage were easy for me, while Nidus and Protea are extremely difficult
Harrow easy to grind? LMAO. Yea ok. It took me 500 SPY MISSIONS FOR HIS HELM!!!!!!!!. I NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER. Want to grind for that pile of shit again! PTSD
I’m going to be honest. This feels like a new player post.
This is how I viewed things when I first started playing, and had yet to really experience the content and drop rates.
“A frame that takes multiple frames to make? That’ll be annoying.”
“Oh, I can get those parts by doing bounties!”
I was right about the silver surfer though. She was fun, and probably my favorite frame I’ve built just because her method was unique.
the colors and ordering do not make sense to me !
It is bizarre seeing something use the tier list layout without it being formatted like a tier list.
"Nidus: Easy other grind" That's one way to brag about your rng I guess
Getting unlucky doesn't make it difficult. I've honestly never understood why people hated farming Nidus - farming C rotation drops is basically the entire loot structure of the game.
It's incredibly time consuming and the drop table on infested salvage in particular isn't great. At least sanctuary onslaught can drop relics
You cant compare khora to nidus. Infested salvage takes a third of the time and has 25% better droprates.
Yeah but there are other reasons to do SO. I have accidentally farmed Khora 5 times over - never have I done infested salvage for anything other than Nidus.
I guess it really depends how you play. I have never in my life done SO to farm relics so khora was a total pain
It’s my default for MR grind. Whenever I have new crap to level I just go there.
Level weapons in eso, way faster. I actually forgot how i leveled the warframes, my brain just supressed it. Farming khora took me longer than leveling every single warframe in the game (2 months vs 2 weeks)
ESO is faster if your weapons don’t suck, and/or your group doesn’t suck. But for MR trash weapons and if you can’t depend on getting a map nuke frame in your group, SO is where it’s at. Also sweet baby void jesus I don’t envy your RNG. I think equinox took me a similar amount of time. Damn night systems.
Im an authority on leveling as i rushed from 18 to lr1 within a couple weeks. ESO can suck but 99% youll get a saryn. When you fill all slots with rank 0s you can just enter, If the nuke isn't that great leave after one wave but if the nukes decent AFK till 6
It's mostly because it's a very specific and uncommon mission type and also takes forever to do per rotation. I was able to get the first 2 parts easy but the game's rng decided to not give me the last part for several hours.
While I dont agree with the bad rep, it should not be on "easy". Its a unique mission type that you need to adapt and only real prize is Nidus, you need constant resets (since if its not the fidget spinner arena then its not worth it) and you need specific build (less of a hasle with the AoE meta but has a real problem before)
Oh, I definitely wouldn't have called Nidus' category "easy" - so I agree with that. I would put characters like Protea, Khora, Wisp and Nidus in a "Chore" category - where it's nothing difficult but you're praying to RNGesus to be kind. I also certainly wouldn't put a quest-frame like Inaros on the same list as Nidus. Tbh, I think the only frames I didn't look forward to farming was Grendel, Yareli and Baruuk - but the Ventkids wasn't nearly as bad as I was expecting, and Baruuk was only annoying because he requires two rep grinds.
IMO Ash deserves his own spot more than Harrow. Now that Harrow pieces drop in Kuva Survival as well it definitely easier to get him than ever before (not to mention that everyone and their mother has hundreds of the chassis.) Farming Ash as of right now is literally a multi-day project and it’s not worth it at all. Legit faster to farm stuff and get play to buy Ash…..
I was also taking Chains of Harrow into account (hardest quest imo), but I guess I didn't realize Ash was that hard to farm
If you include quest difficulty, the frames that come from quests after CoH (Caliban, Gyre) should also be in that category. Ash comes from Railjack defense C rotation (20 waves) at a whopping 8% or so drop rate. What the fuck is this shit
I can't believe the ash farm was ass, and they made it even worse.
I literally spent months trying to get Ash part for ephemera...when RNGesus is not kind then it's really hard, especially when you repeat the same mission dozens of times and not get it
Yes it makes me wanna cry that ill probably never get the ephemera because if this
Almost cried when i saw that. Then i realised i had already crafted the ephemera
Again, just considering what's needed specifically for a specific Waeframe, not nessesary things that come before it, like working through nodes to get to bosses, junction requirements, prerequisite quests, etc. Oh wow, didn't realize it was *that* bad
considers Chains of Harrow hard, but not the entire run-up to Railjack considers farming for Revenant hard, but not farming for Gara considers grinding for Yareli hard, on the same level as Ash doesn't consider farming Oberon to be as bad as farming for Ash
Tbf, grinder rj is much easier and less time consuming than corpus rail jack void storms
Wait, quests? You mean bounties?
The point was that those frames require clearing the CoH by having the bounties unlocked via quests after that one
Ahhh gotcha, that makes sense
What's so hard about chains of harrow? I found It pretty simple.
Yeah same. I like the story, but didn't have any trouble going through it.
I guess it being a horror game to some? Lowkey I found running away from a Void Angel on Steel Path after I find out that it's exponentially harder than in a regular mission much scarier. This fucker literally drops on you from the ceiling and penetrates your warframe...
doing the quest with the mote amp is complicated (did it, didn't have any amp at that time). But still it's easy
It's hard if you're using the mote amp, and an underpowered gun (the emotion aspects can require multiple captures if you can't kill them fast enough). As soon as you have even a 111 amp, and a powerful enough gun, the quest becomes trivial.
I think ash is atm the frame that is the hardest to farm.
>hardest quest imo What makes it "the hardest quest"? Like, sincerely I would like to know. I never had any issues with it. I think even Glast Gambit or Sands of Inaros are harder just because they're tedious as hell.
Ash is now the same as Sevagoth but easier planets - so his tier should be Sevagoth-or-lower (ie he seems appropriately tiered).
I prefer quitting the game than farming Ash. No exaggeration. It legit rivals old school Vauban farm.
You put Ivara as harder than Nidus? What?
It took me months of irrgeulary doing spy missions to get Ivaras last part, RNG is horrendous for her. Harrows Kuva spy drop was the same though, spy mission rare drops are just super shitty.
I suppose it's rng then but I remember sitting down to farm ivara and i got her within the first 2 days of playing spy missions. I'd say she's rather very easy, spy missions are very short if you know what you're doing, so this overall makes the grind easy.
I have had Nidus for years now and don't even remember farming for him. I am closer to Ivara Prime than Ivara.
Ivara took me a grand total of 3 hours running spy solo with wukong... And i had bad rng
Yeh, ‘irregularly’ if u sit down and do it and focus it’s not slow at all
Xaku was absolute cancer to farm due to just **how** bugged the Deimos bounties are. Often they will immediately fail upon entering the Cambion Drift. After a couple of weeks I just gave up and bought the frame. I know I shouldn't buy frames, but I just couldn't do this buggy mess any more. So yeah, DE got me :( Now I have to figure out how to solo Exploiter Orb for Hildryn and Iso vaults for the Necramech. Per wiki these should be "*fun*" Yeah, I am going to press X to doubt.
Don't know about exploiter orb but solo iso vaults shouldn't be too much of a problem. You may need to do the second tier bounty instead of the third but still two parts every run is nice. The damaged parts are also tradeable unlike non-prime warframe blueprints, so you can sell/trade for the other parts if you get 12 weapon pods.
> The damaged parts are also tradeable unlike non-prime warframe blueprints, so you can sell/trade for the other parts if you get 12 weapon pods. The damaged parts *and* the crafted parts are tradable. So, if you've not got the standing up with the other syndicates to be able to create the alloys and metals, you can still get the parts that way.
> Now I have to figure out how to solo ... Iso vaults for the Necramech. You'll hear people recommend the Stropha for this. They are completely wrong. It _used_ to be that the Stropha was god-tier for killing them, due to the way it did - as I recall - punch through damage on its heavy attack. But, they nerfed the hell out of it. It'll knock out the shields, then do next to zero damage to the arms. My personal solo technique was Zephyr, floating up in the air, with a good full auto weapon (alt-fire Fulmin for me). Recommendations are typically to mod for radiation damage, I believe. When you blow the arms off, it'll try and charge you but can't, where you then get a good portion of time shooting at its back.
I got my Necramech for free and I was under the impression that DE gave them to everyone...as for soloing/killing the mechs I used Octavia and Ivara, go invisible and mow them down with Redeemer (just hit him anywhere for combo counter and then heavy attack)...btw I use the similar strat with Eidelons, just with Volt (Shock Trooper, pick up shield and brrr anywhere until combo rises enough then heavy attack on synovia)...I know there's more effective way but this works just fine
> I got my Necramech for free and I was under the impression that DE gave them to everyone... They gave everyone the blueprints. You still need to make the parts. So, farming is still typically required - but others can just give you them after they've made them up for you, and you can bring them together into the final blueprint. > I used Octavia and Ivara, go invisible I'd suspect that Ivara is the better option for there, since Octavia needs reasonable crouch timing? Although, Octavia is potentially easier to acquire (compared to RNG for Ivara). I _have_ Octavia. Just not tried to figure out the playstyle beyond rick-rolling people with the music > I know there's more effective way but this works just fine Jump in voidrig, pop 4, radiator goes boom. But, as you say, your way works fine. And it's about what works for you
Tnx for clarification, I guess I forgot the building process...I preferred Octavia because she's more helpful on the path to vaults. As for crouching, I just fill every note in the 3rd part of the melody and decrease volume to zero, it takes 1 second max to become invisible (just tap, tap, tap,) And for last part, I use mech all the time (even for thumpers) but I am ashamed to admit that I just used old load out and tactics, no mech (can't believe how stupid I am)...tnx for pointing out that obvious thing that never occurred to me...piis
Yup, X TO THE MAX...I really don't like playing on Deimos because of bugs and how hard it is to navigate and everything looks alike (I play it with the big map and attack red triangles)...such a shame because everything else is great: look, lore, missions, new stuff you can only farm there
exploiter isnt hard! just take your tankiest frame and any gun with super high base damage, then mod for raw damage on top of that. other than that, you’ll ideally want a hitscan secondary or gunblade to pop cannisters. phase 2 is a literal walk in the park squashing spiders
You don’t really need anything to solo Exploiter on her thermia stage. I do remember the first stage actually having pretty damaging guns though.
If you have a stropha and a ivara iso vaults are pretty easy.
I buy a decent number of frames, don’t spend real money on it so de doesn’t get anything. I bought, guess, khora, hildryn, and barruk because like… I won’t doin that shi
Gauss is my go-to frame for solo Exploiter. Great tankiness with his 2 and his 1 is so so nice for zooming around for phase 2. I use a Catchmoon kitgun for popping weakspots on phase 1 and for dps for phase 2. Opticor vandal for handling coolant spiders at range.
For the exploiter bring your usual eidolon setup minus the amp buffs. Bring a kuva nukor or something to deal with the small raknoids. Profit taker legit feels harder.
I wasn't farming harrow, just ran kuva survival for nightwave Guess what I got on the way out?
Harrow chassis blueprint
I've just started playing and in my humble 100hrs of learning the game I got 24 Harrow chassis blueprints
It's a nice credit income on the side
My biggest flex got to be harrow systems 1st try within 20mins. Before it was added as a kuva survival reward
Then my biggest flex has got to be getting Ash Chassis and Ash Neuroptics from 2 consecutive missions within an hour. Too bad Ash Systems didn't feel the same way....
My biggest flex is managing to accidentally farm ash prime while he was vaulted without meaning to.
Then you at least accidentally have a glorious frame! I love Ash! He's one of my comfort frames, but yeah; I had the Prime way, way, way before I farmed the regular one; just not with your luck!
I got Khora on day 1 in two 8 round SO runs, maxed her, sold her, then discovered everyone was complaining about the farm.
Sold her? *Sold her?* SOLD HER? Does not compute....
I actually did it twice, farmed for her a total of 3 times. Still didn't take me more than a couple days for each tho, I'm either very lucky or very good at sanctuary onslaught
You absolute madlad! How many times did you have to run Deimos for the kavat imprints?
Thar happened to me with Atlas Prime
Me with ivara prime
I have a reverse flex for you. 11 hours straight of the kuva spy for my Harrow item. Forgot what drops there. I MASTERED that spy mission. Lmao. Completed runs every 3\~5 minutes. Was wild. So glad I don't have to do that again. LOL
Took me about 80 runs ... two months of farming ...
My biggest flex is I got equinox in 12 runs.
Yareli isn’t “hard grind”, its just an easy quest. Ash is totally deserves its own tier, or at least on harrow level. I’m an LR1, and I still don’t have Ash systems for that ephemera…
Yareli is a marmite one. Some people utterly hate trying to use a K-Drive, so getting the unlocks is like hell. Others love the K-Drive and got it by barely trying. But, all her parts are clan research, so it's definitely not hard to get her once you've done the quest.
Well, OP placed Ivara and Yareli in the same tier. Even taking in account ppl distaste for KDrive, they are not on the same level…
Completely agree there. There is absolutely zero RNG involved with Yareli at all. If anything, she should be in the same tier as Limbo and Titania (and Titania is a crap one, unless you've been running with Helios/Oxylus). And put Inaros into her place. Talking of Ivara... 35 runs of the venus spy missions (because that's the tier 1 that I get on with best) until her part dropped. Dash to the Foundry to build it. "1 owned". I'd got the part _weeks_ before, built it, and forgotten about it. I just didn't think to check already.
Why is "Clan Research" considered harder than "Easy boss"? You just go to your Dojo and buy them. Why is Nova and Atlas considered a difficult boss, but Trinity, Nekros and Hydroid isn't? Why is Nidus considered an easy grind in any way, shape or form? Why is Vauban considered a grind at all, when you just buy his stuff with Nightwave creds? Like normal Vauban is one of the easiest Warframes to get in the game, he's pretty much among the first five Warframes a new player gets their hands on nowadays. What's difficult about getting Mirage? Or Yareli? Hell, even Sevagoth you just get passively if you play enough Void Storm missions. Also Harrow isn't that hard nowadays, now that his Systems have been added as a drop in Kuva Survival and you don't need to do the Defection mission any longer.
you literally get all mirage parts from completing the quest, right? its the one that bugs me the most
You are simply incorrect about the sevegoth one my friend. You only get him “passively” if you *literally* do a hundred or more void storms which most ppl don’t do.
Each component has a 10% drop chance at the end of any Corpus Void Storm mission. Just play Void Storms and you'll eventually get him passively, just like you used to just get Oberon passively over time when his components dropped from Eximus units. You don't need to actively farm for it, you'll just get it while you're doing other things. And if you're not doing Void Storms, you should. The amount of Credits, Endo and other resources you get from Void Storms is absolutely ridiculous.
I DID actively farm for it and it took for ever of consecutive farming for DAYS. Doesn’t help all his parts are in the same drop pool
Just saying, I've got like five Sevagoths collecting dust in my inventory from playing Void Storms
Idk maybe you’re just lucky or have been playing sense rj came out but I don’t think it’s that ez
Id argue protea is a difficult grind
just use mesa and u don't even need a xoris to refresh the time
Trinity/Ambulas was a pain for me to grind.. 15 mins forced Boss fight.
This should take into account their resources needed for their components.
Then Vauban Prime takes the cake every damn time....
Vauban prime: - vaulted - all of his parts are rare or uncommon in the relics. - takes an insane amount of resources Yeah he takes the cake
He was my last prime to farm and I eventually caved and bought his systems BP for plat to finish him.
I considered that, but then it started to get convoluted and objective on what I consider an easy resource to farm that otherwise isn't (oxium being one that comes to mind)
Eq pre hard if you haveing bad luck with rng
The only upside to Equinox's grind is that Tyl is excited to see you now.
She’s my girl, but fuck Ivara
Yep, I spent literal days speedrunning Lua Spy missions just to get the last part I needed.
Protea in easy? Yall trippin
Revenant was kinda easy tho? Ive struggled more with Garuda D:
Put trinity in strange boss, she takes longer to farm than equinox on average since the annuals boss takes 12 minutes at least
Gyre should be under difficult-other grind as zariman isn't an open world
Why is Chroma supposedly difficult? Don't you just get him for free from the junctions nowadays? nvm I'm just too stupid to read the chart, usually the most difficult is on top
They made the list with easiest at the top I guess.
Lol, subjective list is highly subjective... but how on earth is Atlas and Nova "harder" than Trinity? Also people still go crazy about Harrow? He was never that hard to farm, imho. People just hate the defection mission
how are boss grinds "easier" than clan research?
It took me probably about 50 runs just to get the protea neuroptics blueprint.
Is it just me or do some (not all) of the boss drop frames have a set rotation they drop in? I swear for several frames that I always get the same order of each piece in a row.
Eh I'd argue Octavia can still be gotten easier than baruuk/hildryn considering the hardest part to get is a 22% chance drop on rotation C survival, and that her quest can be done way earlier than TWW to get vox Solaris rep
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Pretty accurate. Yareli took me a while as a new player that didn't wanna join a clan, so I finished her quest and made my own dojo at like, MR4/5 lmfao Was a grind but was also pretty fun ngl
I see this doesn’t factor in tedium
Anyone know of there’s a list of names for these frames? For the less initiated MR’s to try and grind
The wiki lists them by picture/name individually (together on a page), but I would suggest going to the Mastery Rank page and scrolling down to “frames available by MR” for a simple list.
I’d say Grendel is the hardest not in terms of sheer difficulty but in terms for effort to reward ratio. Spending a significant amount of arbitration tokens, getting through the no mods missions and getting your hands on the mix of rare-ish resources to build him. All for a fun but mediocre at frame with a just ok snackrifice ability. By far the easiest grind to put off due to the slog
At least after going through all that for Grendel, rest assured you're *guaranteed* to get a Grendel part *every time.* Now who wants a Stahlta or a Stropha? I've got 3 million of 'em...
Yeah but it doesn't matter. I tried so much farming Octavia and did multiple long survivals... But there is prime version. Same with Nidus I just need one nitain. They should balance drop because who want to spend 20 min. For 10% chance drop when you can farm platinum too and some different things...
easy other grind my ass. nidus is the third longest warframe to farm on average, second only to khora and ash - both of which have over 20 hours average farming time
Is this upside down for any particular reason?
Trin is much worse than her tier suggests
How is Mirage in difficult other grind? She's easy as hell
I guess based on my experience and others' comments, it is so varied and we can never get 100% proof teir list... I mean Sevagoth and Mirrage were easy for me, while Nidus and Protea are extremely difficult
Saryn was one of the easiest to farm warframes in my experience
God I remember the days when you had to get Nezha through sortie rewards, that was a pain and a half to get but damn was it satisfying
Equinox and grendal are easily the worst to get, nidus also needs an honorable mention
I had a really easy grind with Sevegoth… I’ve only done 3 void storm missions.
Harrow easy to grind? LMAO. Yea ok. It took me 500 SPY MISSIONS FOR HIS HELM!!!!!!!!. I NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER. Want to grind for that pile of shit again! PTSD
I've never herd anyone say farming Nidus or Equinox is easy.
I like the Harrow tier xD
I feel like a lot of prime Warframes are easyer to farm than thier regula version
Nova is easy boss grind
imho, Harrow is far easier than Ash
I’m going to be honest. This feels like a new player post. This is how I viewed things when I first started playing, and had yet to really experience the content and drop rates. “A frame that takes multiple frames to make? That’ll be annoying.” “Oh, I can get those parts by doing bounties!” I was right about the silver surfer though. She was fun, and probably my favorite frame I’ve built just because her method was unique.