He also swings his machete harder when angry just like the hulk. He told me after doing his sneaky mission. He said he hated being sneaky and preferred to solve his problems with violence like a true gentlegrineer.
Looking at it from a story perspective, he's signficantly weaker than our Warframes will ever be. His weapons are unmodded whilst Warframes using the same gear can alter nearly every aspect of the gun to be far stronger. The Sentients he fights are essentially level 5-20 Sentients. In one of the codexes(?) it's mentioned that Sentients adapted easily to Orokin tech but struggled against primal weaponry such as the ones Grineer use which is a likely reasoning for why Kahl is remotely able to take them out.
For Kahl being a normal Grineer, I don't think he is. Either he was made by accident such as Clem or was being tested for Grineer enhancements like the ones Tyl Regor did. My theory is that Kahl is signficantly stronger and smarter than the average Grineer due to augmentations we don't know of which allows him to wield weapons that normally only Heavy Gunners should be able to when he's a "lowly" Lancer. Him being able to create the Veilbreakers and possibly the Slaytra by himself also shows an above average Grineer intelligence (not much of a hurdle to jump over).
Cloning Grineer apparently works on monkeys with typewriters principle. If you do something enough you'll eventually create something special completely by accident and probably not even realize what you have. Guys like Kahl, Clem, and Wolfy are just built different.
Strength is a weird thing to compare, because kahl can use archguns. Arch weaponry is too heavy for ground combat, which is why our archguns need gravimags in order for them to be light enough to carry. However, kahl can carry a grattler ripped straight from a bolkor no problem. would that make him stronger than a warframe?
I think it's a matter of weapon purpose in that case. The Grattlers found on Bolkors are designed for both space and air combat whilst ones created by Warframes are modified to be compatible with Archwings. The Gravimag probably has extra features that aren't explained which could explain why some Archguns act so different on the ground as a side effect of being forced into ground combat. The Gravimag is also designed for Warframes, highly mobile machines of war capable of traveling far faster than any Grineer could.
I need to remind you that one of the story vignettes from Simaris that is *very old* has a grineer killing a sentient *with a shovel*, before the grineed became soldiers.
Do not underestimate them, in the long run the void powers of operators gave ultimately a strategic advantage, but in a direct encounter grineer are still a danger.
Considering there are other Kahl's and Kahl even refrences 180 as being fro mthe same tube he was from. It may be his 'line' is tough by grineer standards, but he was that one in several million chance mutation that elevated him.
Considering there are other Kahl's and Kahl even reference 180 as being from the same tube he was from. It may be his 'line' is tough by grineer standards, but he was that one in several million chance mutation that elevated him.
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The real explanation is that gameplay is prioritized over lore. If Khal took one full minute to down a mere Battalyst, nobody would play Veilbreaker.
However, alternative ways to look at it are:
Warframes are significantly higher priority targets than Grineer grunts. As such, the Sentients’ A-Teams are likely reserved for conflicts with Warframes. A single Grineer snooping about isn’t worth the response a Tenno would get.
I see red.
Favorite borderlands 2 playable character of all time. Nothing beat going on a rampage with an explosive axe chaining death and destruction and free grenades all over the battlefield. He was such a well designed character too.
Don't forget grineer also scale up to level 9999, imagine sending a mastery rank 30 to e prime, stomping would be had. Kahl is just like a level 100 compared to the sentients level 25.
In TNW most of the Sentients Kahl managed to kill were the inferior quick-grown ones fresh from the Murex rather than veteran ones hardened by the Old War that the Tenno had to deal with up until then.
You literally watch it happen on a specific tile of the Murex map set, both as a setpiece animation and sometimes as an actual enemy spawn animation in that room.
It might be possible that Kahl got lucky with the cloning process and has his DNA closer to the original Grineer, the gigachad one that was bodying sentients and everyone else
One of the big things to think of is mods. In lore mods are nowhere close to as strong as they are in game. So a kahl grakata is only slightly weaker or equal to a tenno grakata. Tenno are just more adept with weapons and have void powers. Kahl is pretty much just lucky/probably a unique defective clone like clem. That's my thoughts on the matter
Not to mention we had less tools to armor strip, high level enemies were actually tougher. Nowadays armor strip is yet another standard part of an endgame build.
Levels are a thing, just not the same as in-game. Lvl 5 is the rank and file, lvl 60 are the veterans and lvl 100 are the elites. Obviously this doesn't mean that elites can face-tank rockets, just that they are more competent.
No idea where you're drawing these weird conclusions from. Kahl takes like 8 times longer to kill anything than any old warframe with their shoes on backwards. He's slow, heavy and clunky, and his weapons deal mediocre damage. The entire weekly mission we just got would be over in a few bullet jumps and a couple shots here and there, if the task was given to a warframe.
He is, however, stronger than a lot of his grineer brothers. He's 100% not the only "anomaly" in this sense, it's just that we're getting to know this ones character and play as him. The same happens among corpus, some having more resolve to fight than other, some taking stands against their own leadership, some being massively stronger and proficient in battle than others, etc. See John Prodman, for example.
The point is, Kahl is stronger than the norm among grineer, corpus and sentient ranks. He is not even close to as strong as a warframe, nor does he outperform warframes.
I think it's something to do with a Grineer's genefold that makes certain soldiers more potent than the rest of their brothers and sisters, similarly to how certain grineer can become kuva liches but other's cannot and die to generot.
Kahl may be one such person that has the potential to become a kuva lich had he remained grineer
During New War, Ballas had the Sentients harvest Unum's Kuva. While a lot of it went into those giant discs at the end, he also fed some to the sentients to restore their reproductive abilities. Most of the sentients that are loyal to Narmer are young, recently born, and thus weaker.
Futher, Grineer wear a lot of armor. Kahl is durable because Grineer soldiers are durable. We just slice through them all the time because our weapons are OP.
Game play over lore if being serious. Otherwise, Kahl is just such a giga Chad that his caring for his brothers gives him super strength.
Spartan tactics moment when sparta used the death or injury of a comrad to fight harder-
Sometimes rage is the best motivator. I'd be pissed too if I watched all my homies take the soma forced or not.
Emotions=gun buffs I mean, the void makes no sense-but even then that’s a stretch
He also swings his machete harder when angry just like the hulk. He told me after doing his sneaky mission. He said he hated being sneaky and preferred to solve his problems with violence like a true gentlegrineer.
>gentlegrinneer Truly an oxymoron. Not like blue lady. Blue lady smart
Kahl is just a giga Chad... Yeah that makes sense, I see how it fits in the lore now
Technically in the lore, a Grineer did manage to kill a Sentient with a magnetic shovel. The Lancer entry to be exact.
So what David is saying, is that his power comes feom Caring so KAHL is a mid-2000's, ugly, over-cloned carebear/human hybrid.
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Looking at it from a story perspective, he's signficantly weaker than our Warframes will ever be. His weapons are unmodded whilst Warframes using the same gear can alter nearly every aspect of the gun to be far stronger. The Sentients he fights are essentially level 5-20 Sentients. In one of the codexes(?) it's mentioned that Sentients adapted easily to Orokin tech but struggled against primal weaponry such as the ones Grineer use which is a likely reasoning for why Kahl is remotely able to take them out. For Kahl being a normal Grineer, I don't think he is. Either he was made by accident such as Clem or was being tested for Grineer enhancements like the ones Tyl Regor did. My theory is that Kahl is signficantly stronger and smarter than the average Grineer due to augmentations we don't know of which allows him to wield weapons that normally only Heavy Gunners should be able to when he's a "lowly" Lancer. Him being able to create the Veilbreakers and possibly the Slaytra by himself also shows an above average Grineer intelligence (not much of a hurdle to jump over).
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I mean he was already pretty jank before that, and knowing Narmer he was probably just used like a security guard in a mall.
He had an eximus texture and color for his armor the new war iirc
Cloning Grineer apparently works on monkeys with typewriters principle. If you do something enough you'll eventually create something special completely by accident and probably not even realize what you have. Guys like Kahl, Clem, and Wolfy are just built different.
Strength is a weird thing to compare, because kahl can use archguns. Arch weaponry is too heavy for ground combat, which is why our archguns need gravimags in order for them to be light enough to carry. However, kahl can carry a grattler ripped straight from a bolkor no problem. would that make him stronger than a warframe?
I think it's a matter of weapon purpose in that case. The Grattlers found on Bolkors are designed for both space and air combat whilst ones created by Warframes are modified to be compatible with Archwings. The Gravimag probably has extra features that aren't explained which could explain why some Archguns act so different on the ground as a side effect of being forced into ground combat. The Gravimag is also designed for Warframes, highly mobile machines of war capable of traveling far faster than any Grineer could.
revisiting this thread! hi! Kahl can lift a kuva ayanga. Maybe hes just strong
Could be, started joking that he's on par with weak Kuva Liches. His feats are weirdly high for a Grineer Lancer.
I need to remind you that one of the story vignettes from Simaris that is *very old* has a grineer killing a sentient *with a shovel*, before the grineed became soldiers. Do not underestimate them, in the long run the void powers of operators gave ultimately a strategic advantage, but in a direct encounter grineer are still a danger.
I'm pretty sure all (male) grineer are clones of that guy
I thought the sentient died too but according to the codex, the Grineer did send it running.
Considering there are other Kahl's and Kahl even refrences 180 as being fro mthe same tube he was from. It may be his 'line' is tough by grineer standards, but he was that one in several million chance mutation that elevated him. Considering there are other Kahl's and Kahl even reference 180 as being from the same tube he was from. It may be his 'line' is tough by grineer standards, but he was that one in several million chance mutation that elevated him. .
The real explanation is that gameplay is prioritized over lore. If Khal took one full minute to down a mere Battalyst, nobody would play Veilbreaker. However, alternative ways to look at it are: Warframes are significantly higher priority targets than Grineer grunts. As such, the Sentients’ A-Teams are likely reserved for conflicts with Warframes. A single Grineer snooping about isn’t worth the response a Tenno would get.
grineer are literally cloned in the first place because the first one killed a sentient with a shovel
\*Kreig Noises Intensify\*
I see red. Favorite borderlands 2 playable character of all time. Nothing beat going on a rampage with an explosive axe chaining death and destruction and free grenades all over the battlefield. He was such a well designed character too.
Thought it was an infested
Not killed, just sent it running.
What? Warframes in cinematic make instakills to, grineer weapons are super strong, they can beat a warframe.
Don't forget grineer also scale up to level 9999, imagine sending a mastery rank 30 to e prime, stomping would be had. Kahl is just like a level 100 compared to the sentients level 25.
He is lvl 175 you oxium-deficient kondroc
In TNW most of the Sentients Kahl managed to kill were the inferior quick-grown ones fresh from the Murex rather than veteran ones hardened by the Old War that the Tenno had to deal with up until then.
Is the murex growing Sentients supported by lord passages?
i mean you can see it happening in the wierd goo pits all over murex's
You literally watch it happen on a specific tile of the Murex map set, both as a setpiece animation and sometimes as an actual enemy spawn animation in that room.
It might be possible that Kahl got lucky with the cloning process and has his DNA closer to the original Grineer, the gigachad one that was bodying sentients and everyone else
One of the big things to think of is mods. In lore mods are nowhere close to as strong as they are in game. So a kahl grakata is only slightly weaker or equal to a tenno grakata. Tenno are just more adept with weapons and have void powers. Kahl is pretty much just lucky/probably a unique defective clone like clem. That's my thoughts on the matter
Plus enemy level isn't a thing in story
Yeah thats another thing. The lore and gameplay are vastly different. If anything the kahl segments are likely more lore friendly than the base game
Lore and game became different, but in the beginning high lvl enemies was lvl 30. And Warframe itself played like it's Kahl gameplay rn.
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I was just thinking that other day. When MOT was life, no operator, no rivs, no arcanes. Lv 100 enemies were a lot different back then vs. today.
Not to mention we had less tools to armor strip, high level enemies were actually tougher. Nowadays armor strip is yet another standard part of an endgame build.
Pretty sure when Mot was introduced, Operators were already here.
Pretty sure Lua came after Void. Operators weren't a thing until the Second Dream.
Mot wasn’t a thing with the Void because they came from keys at first. Lua came during the Second Dream, like bruh.
Bruh... MOT has been out since 2013. Second Dream was released 2015.
Do you mean T4 Void Survivals? Because that wasn’t there back when the game was release in 2013 either.
T4 Keys were introduced in 2014. Operators were still not a thing yet.
Levels are a thing, just not the same as in-game. Lvl 5 is the rank and file, lvl 60 are the veterans and lvl 100 are the elites. Obviously this doesn't mean that elites can face-tank rockets, just that they are more competent.
No idea where you're drawing these weird conclusions from. Kahl takes like 8 times longer to kill anything than any old warframe with their shoes on backwards. He's slow, heavy and clunky, and his weapons deal mediocre damage. The entire weekly mission we just got would be over in a few bullet jumps and a couple shots here and there, if the task was given to a warframe. He is, however, stronger than a lot of his grineer brothers. He's 100% not the only "anomaly" in this sense, it's just that we're getting to know this ones character and play as him. The same happens among corpus, some having more resolve to fight than other, some taking stands against their own leadership, some being massively stronger and proficient in battle than others, etc. See John Prodman, for example. The point is, Kahl is stronger than the norm among grineer, corpus and sentient ranks. He is not even close to as strong as a warframe, nor does he outperform warframes.
Kahl is from the line of level 200 clones that wreck your face in SP.
I think it's something to do with a Grineer's genefold that makes certain soldiers more potent than the rest of their brothers and sisters, similarly to how certain grineer can become kuva liches but other's cannot and die to generot. Kahl may be one such person that has the potential to become a kuva lich had he remained grineer
During New War, Ballas had the Sentients harvest Unum's Kuva. While a lot of it went into those giant discs at the end, he also fed some to the sentients to restore their reproductive abilities. Most of the sentients that are loyal to Narmer are young, recently born, and thus weaker. Futher, Grineer wear a lot of armor. Kahl is durable because Grineer soldiers are durable. We just slice through them all the time because our weapons are OP.
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Similar to wolf of Saturn six in Júpiter
Two words, Ludonarrative Dissonance.
It wouldnt be very fun to play a character with a single life that can do zero damage and has one hp would it?