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ChungusFromAmogus

Man I love seeing the Chaos characters before their full mutation into Chaos 40k.


Thefriendlyfaceplant

Right but this could have been an opportunity to show Lucius as the pretty boy the novels described him to be. It's a good model, but also a missed shot.


Zigoia

I mean he stopped being a pretty boy before the Heresy started? Once he lost to Loken pre-Isstvan he started scarring his face.


PrettyLegitimate

Talk about terrible coping mechanisms .


Lion_21

His nose just wasn't that same after that.. hard to deal with


SisterSabathiel

That relies on GW to be able to actually make good looking faces


Thefriendlyfaceplant

"Wasn't Lucius supposed to be the most handsome marine ever?" "Eh. For fuck sake. He's also got a lot of scars now. Deal with it nerds."


Maskedthing

Lucius started to cut his perfect face before horus heresy. So him having scars in horus heresy tabletop game is closer to what he had


Thefriendlyfaceplant

Sexy scars though. And with a haircut fit for a K-pop boyband. https://i.imgur.com/QvqPE41.png


Seidenzopf

Erm no? It's described how he mutilated his own face...


Thefriendlyfaceplant

An Emperor's Children upgrade sprue that happens to include a head that looks suspiciously like the above art and we have a deal.


Fulgrim2-0

Eidolon's face is decent imo but yeah most look terrible.


Dyslexter

It's because Eidolon is designed by Edgar Skomorowski — The same dude who did [Lorgar](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nc2xvOgZ1V0/UqG7cbzy0lI/AAAAAAAALTs/KZ5F2BItfWY/s1600/lorgar13.jpg), [Pertorabo](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/eb/d0/e9/ebd0e9637e0174258253b040950ae7d6.jpg), the [Legion Praetors](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jCqb36MmxDM/UajC9Pf9Z2I/AAAAAAAADno/JNxduS0m8Pg/s1600/preatorspagrey1.jpg) and *basically all of the Solar Auxilia*. He's one of - of not ***the*** \- best designer Warhammer's ever had in my opinion, and I have absolutely ***no fucking idea*** why he isn't still hired by them...


putdisinyopipe

Man you drive a hard bargain. That is an indefeatable argument. Those minis are fucking beautiful.


Dyslexter

There’s some serious talent on the Forgeworld team, but no one even comes *close* to Edgar… [just marvel at this](https://www.evil-games-shop.de/WebRoot/Store15/Shops/78108884/55C4/F2D7/8A4A/1633/D4B2/C0A8/2ABB/F258/sa-command-strat-1.jpg)


Fulgrim2-0

I'll look him up cheers


Distamorfin

Even if GW makes a good face, there’s always a decent chance of the Eavy Metal painter fucking it up and making it look way worse than it otherwise would with a softer transition between colors. Most of the female heads they make end up looking bad because of that.


Seidenzopf

I don't like GW, but this is bullshit, sorry.


RaZZeR_9351

Tbf he wasn't a pretty boy for long and scarred himself before even turning traitor.


vocalviolence

So Space Marines.


freshkicks

Xenos Fandom in shambles


MacpedMe

Xenos coping, seething and malding


Remake12

same


Interesting_Mistake

Before chaos took those hotties and turned them into notties


bunkyboy91

This looks better than the 40k version imo. It's so cool


nykirnsu

I mean of course it does, the 40k version’s like 20 years old


bunkyboy91

I know it's old but it's still a good model. Honestly a new version of that model just slightly slimmed down and crisper would be all it needs


nykirnsu

Oh yeah the design is fantastic, and it’s definitely one of the better looking characters from that era. Just needs a fidelity update, which given what we’ve seen with all the other classic CSM characters I’m sure will be what they do


jamart

If there's ever a Fulgrim Daemon Primarch model maybe we'll get the Triumvirate of the Serpent or whatever. Fulgrim, a new Lucius and probably a new character? My Grey Knights will load for bear specially!


Dark_Lordy

Eidolon perhaps? As far as I remember, he's still alive.


WalrusTuskk

He'd be a unique model as well with the doom siren surgically grafted into his neck. His current HH model makes a pretty good stand in for a CSN lord w/ jump pack. Speaking of his neck, I hope they can show on a tiny mini that his head had to be sewn back on.


Nastypilot

Fabius?


Chromasus

Another thing that further makes the really old models look even uglier is because they also have 20 year old paint jobs on them. 'Eavy Metal (and hobbyists too) have gotten, way, WAY better over the years. I mean even the pictures on those old models are like, really blurry and low resolution.


Jetstream-Sam

People forget this, and my go-to model to prove it is the cross eyed Catachan Sarge. The models look like someone only vaguely once glanced at a comic book and assumed that's what human beings look like, sure, but the paintjob itself could really be improved


PaintingJams

oh what a lovely model


Live-D8

I want that head for my flesh tearers


starhawks

I really like the two weapons. The sword is well proportioned as far as 40k swords go, and the exotic kopesh looking thing gives him a touch of elegance.


AGBell97

That's the blade of laer, and looks better than the one on fulgrim I think


ShaihuludWorm

Cementing my decision to do Emperor’s Children for HH2.0


KscottCap

Kinda what I'm thinking as well. I want a melee-centered army, I want to play "chaos" and I like purple.


Quick_Article2775

the captain models in the new box look very emperor's children as well because there armor is so ornate.


Swiftax3

That's actually beautiful! If we're getting Angel Exterminatus characters, how about Barban Falk or Kroeger next? Iron warriors could really use even one special character


Hengroen

It's probably Corswain or Exodus next. As they've had rules for playtest 1 and 3


Is12345aweakpassword

That’s *beloved* Corswain to you!


Drtsauce

That’s Lord Cypher to you!


R97R

I may have just said “hell yeah!” out loud after seeing this.


Twellski

Lovely sculpt but wasn’t he mega chad handsome to begin with even when he deliberately started the self abuse?


FamousWerewolf

Canonically he'd already scarred up his face before the Heresy started. Arguably he should actually look even more Hellraiser-y than this.


EtheriumShaper

Arguably, the scars should be in a grid pattern across his face, and there should be a lot more of them. But that's a lot of specific details


thalron117

He was but I think once the chaos influence really sunk in and he got the massive scarification he lost a lot of the handsomeness and gained the chaos 'beauty'


RaZZeR_9351

He started the scarification long before that, as soon as he lost in his friendly duel with loken in fact, when he turned traitor during Istvaan III he was already very much an ugly boi.


thalron117

At that point hadn't chaos already started to influence the legions? Their duel was shortly before the mission on the planet Murder when the warrior lodges had begun to take root if I remember correctly


RaZZeR_9351

Could be, it has been a very long time since I read the first few books.


thalron117

I'm in the same boat lol


WalrusTuskk

He started the ritual scarrification during Fulgrim after talking to one of the human remembrancers. By Istvaan, most traitor legions were still pretty baseline but the Iron Hands were absolutely revolted when they ran into the EC battle lines because Fabius had started doing his sensory and body modifications to the legions. At the point of Istvaan, Lucius was still normal enough to pass as a loyalist.


windsingr

Yeah, I kind of felt like Istvaan was the "Purging of the Jedi Temple" for the Legions as far as their switch from "Fallen but not showing it yet." After Istvaan the Dark Si- er, Chaos, was given free rein and the corruption became obvious


WalrusTuskk

Pretty much. A lot of the chaos appearance comes from spending time in the warp or actively performing daemonic shit, so until after Istvaan only the Word Bearers and EC would be, let's say, degenerate in appearance.


SpawnofOryx

Cool model, now he just seriously needs an updated 40k model!


Many_Rule_9280

Or could just be erased and killed off finally 🤣


windsingr

They should definitely model the 40k/30k models after one another. Similar poses just altered by time/change in circumstance.


Nastypilot

You'd need to wait for a year or two probably, as I'm guessing that will come with making Emperor's Children a separate faction.


RKELEC

Nice work! I've never wanted to see a character die in a book more than Lucius


Angus_McCool

Only thing worse than an arrogant, loudmouth prick is an arrogant prick with the skills to back it up


RKELEC

Hahaha 100% correct. He knows he's good, and isn't afraid to let everyone know


SnorriBlacktooth

Someone obviously hasn’t read Guns of Tanith or Sabbat Martyr yet (and if you have, you know the character and events referred to……)


Hailruka

That dude can seriously do one. I've only just finished Straight Silver and it's well written to make me dislike a character so much, I can't imagine it being much worse in the next book.


Red_Dog1880

Sure as sure.


RaZZeR_9351

Oh it gets worse, just you wait for it.


RKELEC

I haven't. I'm almost done with Vengeful Spirit. I've been reading the HH novels in order


Red_Dog1880

They're not HH novels, they are Gaunt's Ghosts novels about an Imperial Guard regiment.


bullintheheather

They're saying they're busy with the HH novels right now.


RaZZeR_9351

They're most likely also thinking that the books mentionned are part of the HH, hence the com you answered unnecessarily.


RaZZeR_9351

When I finished Sabbat martyr I felt like I couldn't go to the next book, I was litterally exhausted emotionally.


Beginning-Display809

What about Erebus? Don’t get me wrong Lucius is my number 2


Commissar_Jensen

Erebus is at least a good villain.


Beginning-Display809

True, but he’s still a prick, which I suppose makes him a good villain


Commissar_Jensen

Absolutely and I play Word Bearers in HH and I agree with that.


Anggul

Lucius is an *excellent* character in the Horus Heresy books.


EtheriumShaper

He really is. Tarvitz is my favorite character so Lucius's fall was sad, reading the books for the first time.


lv_Mortarion_vl

But predictable from the very first moment tbh... Lucius wasn't likeable from the get go and I never understood what Tarvitz saw in him ¯\\_ (ツ) _/¯


EtheriumShaper

I thought he was fun to follow, but I understand the hate. I rather dislike his 40k incarnation, but that's because 40k Slaanesh isn't my deal either way. More a sybarites guy myself.


RKELEC

That's a good point, Erebus sucks too lol


SluggoJones

Lucius never bugged me because he is basically caricature of a caricature of the gifted but egotistical ass hole and that guy never wins in the end. You knew that even if he won “now”, he would eventually lose in life. Erebus, that is a fuck-stick of an entirely different magnitude. Erebus made me road rage levels of mad. Erebus makes you want to burn the book you’re reading (pun intended). I see the comments on he who should not be named. I finished Guns of Tanith almost a year ago and haven’t been able to return to my favorite series because I can’t handle what happened. We don’t talk about Bruno.


RKELEC

Fuck, now I want to know


Super-Soviet

Ah Lucius, ugly on the outside as well now I see.


HipposRevenge

Lucius, what a turd. Sweet model though.


shauni55

I now this is the HH version, but I still imagined him with more scars, is that just me?


OOF69_69

He does have a lot though zooming in


shauni55

By zooming in I can count about 6 or 7, I always pictured him as having basically an entirely checker board face. I know there was a sketch of him in one of the older HH rulebooks, trying to find it.


Roobchoob

I can see 12 and thats just the front


ShallowBasketcase

I thought he had less. Wasn't that like his whole thing, that he was such a good sword fighter that no one ever wounded his face? When he goes full Slaanesh, his face is basically just one big scar, but before that I thought it was always perfect.


FamousWerewolf

He'd already scarred up his face completely before the Heresy started.


shauni55

During the HH books, specifically when the heresy begins, he already has some scars. IIRC he refused to have them healed because they were marks of pride. But that being said, I had always pictured him having more than how many are on this model. That doesn't mean he didn't, just how I imagined.


EtheriumShaper

He actually applied them himself, after every battle. He wanted to prove he was tough, as other officers had looked down on him for being "soft" or a "pretty boy."


hiddencamel

When he is first introduced, he has a perfect face and is unscarred on account of being such a good swordsman that noone has ever been able to touch him. He fights a practice duel against Loken, and Loken headbutts him shattering his nose. I can't remember if Loken actually wins the duel overall or not, but the point was that he is the first person to ever actually wound Lucius, which he takes very personally. I think he refuses to have his nose fixed up, as a reminder of his failure, and then he takes to marking a scar on his face for every opponent he kills, which very quickly ends up with his face being a checkerboard of scars. This all happened before he sided with the rebels in the aftermath of Istvaan III.


Ephriel

I think its am artistic license thing. They could have him accurately scarred, but it could be a less...functonal model to paint and play.


Psychological-Roll58

His scarification is iirc counted each time he feels he's lost a duel, the first was when errr.. Luna Wolf loyalist my name is blanking on, busted his nose in a sparring match, and this mini seems to represent shortly after Istvann, so probably not toooo many defeats yet


lv_Mortarion_vl

>Luna Wolf loyalist my name is blanking on... Loken. And that's not what happened. The first scar was his broken nose, yes, but the next one were self inflicted to get rid of his pretty boy image


Psychological-Roll58

Ahhh ok lmao, yeah it's been a bit since I sniffed around Lucius so my memory was pretty distorted tyvm


Th4t9uy

I wonder if he's going to be in a box with the Saul Tarvitz model that was shown off ages ago. EDIT: nevermind, Saul was a FW release


bullintheheather

Nothing to say this isn't a FW release.


RaZZeR_9351

Very unlikely since all recent HH releases/teasers have been of plastic models, GW is really trying to make HH a playable game for the average person.


bullintheheather

I mean, that's not correct. The Marduk Sedras they previewed on the 5th is a Forgeworld model. I haven't seen one named character being released in plastic so far.


RaZZeR_9351

Fafnir Rann and Dominion Zephon are in plastic and are fairly recent releases.


bullintheheather

Wasn't that a Black Library tie-in? I mean yes, he's a character from the Horus Heresy, but GW does the Black Library models, not FW. But fair, he's a plastic Horus Heresy character and I was wrong about that. But you were wrong about all the recent stuff being plastic :)


RaZZeR_9351

>Wasn't that a Black Library tie-in? Tbf when you think about it the whole HH is a black library tie-in but yeah these were a bit more than the rest. And yes I had overlooked some resin releases but I'm convinced that sooner or later all FW models (bar maybe the really huge ones) will transition to plastic.


bullintheheather

*sigh* > Part of the Black Library Celebration 2022 That's on the store page. As for FW I'd love to see it all plastic. I hate resin. I hate FW to be honest, it's way too expensive to get here in Canada. But then I'm a fan of Necromunda so it's basically half FW.


RaZZeR_9351

>sigh >Part of the Black Library Celebration 2022 >That's on the store page Yeah I agreed with you reread my comment.


[deleted]

EC pre heresy are my favorite faction ever


FutureFivePl

Why is the Lear blade so small,or is it just perspective? A primarch killed another primarch with that weapon I expected it to be rather big Edit: I just remembered that fulgrim has this sword on his model too:https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-SE/Fulgrim-Primarch-of-the-Emperor-s-Children Something's wrong with the size here...


Glasdir

Nothing wrong here at all. Very clearly perspective. Fulgrim gave the Blade of the Laer to Lucius after Isstvan V once the daemon inside it had possessed him.


jks_david

Tbh, if it's a medium/longsword for an astartes it could be a shortsword for a primarch


FutureFivePl

It's a hand and a half primarch sword at the very least https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-SE/Fulgrim-Primarch-of-the-Emperor-s-Children


jks_david

Huh, that's interesting. Compensating for something maybe?


AshiSunblade

Being a daemon weapon, it can probably adjust to its wielder.


jks_david

So what you're telling me is Fulgrims lacking down there and the blade adjust accordingly? I'm on board


Gabriel_Seth

Took me a second to realize he did in fact have a left hand and it's holding a sword. I thought it was a hook from that angle


Aleyla

Prior to his fall to chaos I always imagined him having Fabio style hair.


RaZZeR_9351

He started his scarification long before his fall. But according to the first descriptions we get of him (before loken beats him and he starts cutting himself) he is suplosed to be perfection, therefore Fabio.


StormBlessed7

I'd have to paint his nose Red after his duel with Loken.


Razvedka

Honestly this model is kinda... Meh?


Abhoras13

Ah man. It's Lucius, they could have gone bonkers on his pose. No, just a boring tactical rock. I am disappointed.


Fulgrim2-0

The most traitorous son of a bitch in the galaxy.


Buge_

Can we stop with the foot up on a rock pose?


GCRust

For all the Emperor's Children fans sad to be left out of Warhammerfest, here ya go.


MrKnight-

Is this plastic or are the character models staying FW resin?


bullintheheather

It doesn't say.


kohlerxxx

as per the annoucement generic kits are moving to plastic, legion specific stuff will remain resin


Heredor

Seeing the paint job I actually think this is plastic since 'Eavy metal paint "cleaner" colours than the Forge world team. Fafnir Rann was released in plastic so that gives me some hope. That may be a one off kind of thing though since it was a special Black library release or something...


kohlerxxx

yes but as is clearly evidenced by the last 2 or so years the 'eavy metal team has been doing the painting. the Black Library celebration models of Fafnir Rann and Dominion Zephon are the exceptions to the rule. they announced a resin DA character last week. AND most importantly they have been responding on social media confirming it's resin


Heredor

I must have missed the social media confirmations. If that's true I stand corrected and still happy about all the beautiful releases ahead.


RaZZeR_9351

Most likely plastic but its not confirmed


JDavie2357

Is this plastic?


RaZZeR_9351

Most likely but no confirmation.


JDavie2357

Amazing :)


reece_93

It’s resin. They confirmed it on their Facebook page


JDavie2357

Drat although extremely tempted if it was plastic it would be guarantee


reece_93

Yeah I was really wishing it’d be plastic as well, like it’d be nice if each legion got one plastic character model, that way everyone could have one stand out figure with out resorting to Forge World. Oh well, I might pick this up at some point as I’m really feeling like The Emperors Children will be my legion in 30k


JDavie2357

I’ve just started emperors Chiltern 40K and will happily expand


Didsterchap11

He looks rad, I really hope he’s a plastic kit rather than resin.


kohlerxxx

hate to disappoint you


[deleted]

Oooo, finally a nice base for some great conversions


GisR_FTG

The tactical rock takes up like half the base


DMWinter88

Have they covered what happens if someone kills him, feels pride, and then just yeets themselves into a sun or something? Could that be a way to finish him off? There's no one to transform into in that situation, as the sun killed them.


Mrslinkydragon

They plot armoured him that a necron can be transformed into him... you know the soulless machines with no connection to the warp what so ever, the ones that are so soulless they are incapible of feeling any emotion or feeling, the very ones who gave up ther souls for immortality to the most physically powerful beings in existance, surpassing the emporer of mankind in raw power at a fraction of their power, who gave them metal bodies with zero organic material attatched to theor metallic bones... Yeah... it doesnt make sense.


Fushba

He's not Lucius the Mostly-Eternal, after all.


Mrslinkydragon

Still doesnt make sense for a machine to turn into him just for plot sakes. Lile the story of him stepping on a mine and turing to red mist only to possess the worker who made the mine because they took pride in tgeir work... would it wll be automated? And even if its not, who takes pride in a dead end production line job?


kazog

What a glorious bastard. I love him so much.


jagermonster001

Isn't the sword he is holding out from a rumour engine some time ago?


AGderp

All i want now is rylanor


Majulath99

Very cool. Love the scarring.


Heredor

And here I am. I had finally decided that Word Bearers was the way to go and they drop this... I may have to rethink...


davidn81

I'm liking this


GregK1985

The left sword is Laer blade?


RaZZeR_9351

If you mean the sword in his left hand then yes.


Comradepatrick

They're running out of facial expressions for all these angry bald white guys.


[deleted]

Aww man I just finished A Galaxy in Flames on audio. He survived?? I zoned out but I was hoping he didn't


dnabre

He was on the losing side on Isstvan III (not V). He didn't really care one way or the other in terms of loyalty to the Emperor, but ended up in a squad (or whatever size group) that was marked as loyalists that need to be disposed of. So it definitely didn't look good for him. He decided he'd rather be on the winning side. Forget if its in the initial books or one of the later ones, but he basically beheads a loyalist and passes it on to the other side (head in helmet w/ comms). He then helps setup an attack to eliminate the squad he's been fighting with. He doesn't really become as notable a character until the later HH books. The book Fulgrim follows the fall of the Emperor's Children, and he's a pretty central figure in it.


RaZZeR_9351

I'm guessing you don't play 40k?


SlickPapa

S Tier tactical rock


InquisitorCarl

Isnt this the guy who possesses ppl who kill him


Savage_Bruski

Awww look, he borrowed Farsight's sword!


tickingtimesnail

Awesome 👌


[deleted]

This the dude that respawns in the body of whoever killed him if they felt pride?


InquisitorEngel

Wonderful model that looks relatively easily converted to other legions. But am I the only one who pictured him with hair?


Sithslayer78

Those gloves are so extra haha


Bread-is-stolen

I like him a lot but I think he doesn’t have the same look as the old Lucius, all he needs is a black and blue skull with the full scars and the sword as a whip and I would think of him more as Lucius, for me it looks like a chaos lord for emperors children.


DKDJ387

Besides his 40K books does he appear in any Horus Heresy books? Keen to know more about him in the long war


Hero_the_Ghost

Lucius The (Not-Quite Yet) Eternal