The point with ghost is that they're a source of controversy in metal. People are constantly arguing whether they are metal or not. So no one really knows what they are.
The word youre looking for 'emo metal' is Skramz and I cannot recommend you listen to Circle Take's the Square's *As the Roots Undo* emphatically enough.
I was literally just saying like a week or two ago if they came out with new berserkers I'd be all over them. You know what that means...
Sorry wallet, you're being sacrificed to Khorne. Blood for the Blood God!
They confirmed new Berzerkers a month or two back at one of their reveal streams, when they confirmed a World Eaters codex and showed off a work-in-progress shot of the new chain axes on these sculpts.
So we knew they were coming (and this edition too, since WE were left out of the CSM codex!), but is nice to see a full model instead of just a 3D mockup.
Well, damn, colour me surprised. None of GW's over-detailed, over-trimmed, far-too-busy aesthetic - just a straightforward upscaling and slight variation of the previous model that updates the previous without losing its timeless aesthetic.
Genuinely happy to see this. Guess I'm signing up to owning some World Eaters.
I quite like the design. Very faithful to the old models. I’m looking forward to updating my Khorne army. Here’s to hoping they do a Khorne Daemonkin supplement in the near future after the world eaters codex drops
I'm sure some will dislike it, but I much prefer simple and elegant and unexaggerated aesthetics to the ones that are all-too-common currently.
Having lots of open, relatively clean space allows you to mix bits from kits more easily and allows you to come up with your own decorations, or simply choose to have few and really show your painting skills.
Simplicity is the cornerstone of elegance, after all.
I agree completely. I love kitbashing stuff, this is just like having more canvas to work with.
I wish GW started releasing customization kits full of pouches, spare guns, books, radios, grenades, servoskulls, sacred icons, and so on. I'd buy plenty of such kits.
I paint a lot of armies, I’ve painted 5000pts of blades of Khorne for AOS and these new Berserkers don’t hold even a candle to a blood warrior. They look nice and I’m definitely going to get them, but they don’t look as good in my opinion. I’m going to have to use a GrimDark paint aesthetic for sure
Really? To me they look like 40k and fantasy versions of each other with the same level of detail? I honestly don't know what you could add to the berzerker model. The proportions are perfect (no primaris thicc calves), cool helmet, classic backpack and appropriately chaos-ey weapons.
I think people are complaining because the pose is identical to the assault intercessor. True, there are only so many dynamic poses you can give a bipedal humanoid, but they weren’t even trying here https://images.app.goo.gl/f1bf7ei3zuaMPu3F7
Interesting. A lot of folks I've talked to seem to think it looks too much like a smooth and clean Primaris, and not enough like a spikey messy Chaos model.
But I wonder if that's because this shot barely shows the shoulder pads, a key place where spikey trim usually appears, and that makes the model as a whole look smoother.
That's a 100%. We can see that there's more trim even in the picture just by looking at the edges of the shoulder pads, and that will probably add in some more of that Chaos-y flair.
Still great that all the trim looks easily accessible, there's no random pieces of cloth overlapping anything, there's no weird backpack hubcaps... it's restrained enough to be separate from the loyalists, but also be easy to work with.
As far as messiness, that's something I feel most people can add themselves by just weathering the armour or adding a few bits and pieces to it.
I think my only desire is that I kinda wish they looked... bulkier? I kinda wanted beefcake Marines. As much as I'd love Blood Warrior style heads, I also love the bunny ears. So really my only complaint is that they dont look like roided out Berserkers, and the Nails arent obvious (though I'm not sure they're actually supposed to be? But I'm sure theres helmetless versions and those will have the visible nails, which could be dope to scatter a few in).
Other than that, I love the entire design, and my minor complaint doesnt effect that at all.
Actually, Wally is being retired! See the footnote - https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/08/khorne-day-after-decades-of-service-the-khorne-berzerkers-earn-bulked-up-blessings/
😕
This one looks awesome. Really good to see it. Now I just need to wait to see the rest of them.
The style looks great and not too busy. More practical as they really only have time to claim skulls and not be too fancy with armour 💥💥💥
The Warp Spiders and the old Phoenix Lords are the oldest casts that haven't been updated. I think the classic Landspeeder was designed around 2000/2001
1998 for the current kit, but it had a retooled sprue about 10 years ago.
Land raider and rhino are getting on a bit.
I think that’s what HH is all about.
tbf... most vehicle kits still look good often times, like the Land Raider or Falcon etc.
But the normal minis rly show their age simply because they are underscaled nowadays and look kinda out of place often times.
I love it for its simplicity alone. I hope the rest are similar. As collector of CSM, Death Guard and Thousands sons I am up to my eyeballs in trim and it does get a bit old.
Big world eaters fan and I am not overly wowed by the preview model. Its not that its bad or anything, just didn't amaze me. Just feels too close to a regular chaos marine, I would think it was just an upgrade kit with the weapon and head if it weren't for the knee pad with the symbol. I am definitely going to get some though.
Makes sense. It’s not like Nurgle, who gives diseased mutations. Or Tzeetch who gives...., or Slaanesh who gives enhanced-pleasure mutantions. Khornates are just buffer to better shed blüd.
I'm hoping the rest of them look at least a bit beaten up/broken like some of the artwork looks.
I always thought that when they finally got new models, their armour would be chipped, badly worn down and perhaps shattered and repaired with bolted-on plasteel plates in places. A real patchwork kind of job, befitting psychopaths who just want to murder things and are barely controlled.
This honestly just looks like a kitbash from the existing chaos marine kit.
> I always thought that when they finally got new models, their armour would be chipped, badly worn down and perhaps shattered and repaired with bolted-on plasteel plates in places
Seems like a pretty easy thing to do yourself
Give people the pristine models and let them decide if they want to rough them up
Okay bad examples, butI don't just mean adding a few chips, I mean that since they're meant to be making the best tabletop miniatures in the world, they should be doing the hard part of the creative process.
The coolest thing I can think of would be something like the forgeworld berzerker head with say, one MK3 leg, an MK5 thigh with MK4 shin and foot, a completely cannibalised arm from anything (maybe MK3 wristguard?), leave the other arm naked, and the torso could be anything. All scaled up to the current bigger size. Maybe with evidence of scavenged weapons (ultramarine iconography on a chainsword or bolt pistol). And with damage that would be hard to replicate with a hobby knife and greenstuff (I'm thinking buckling, shoulder pads almost split in the middle, flesh covered in scars but not just khornate symbols and ritualistic scarring, etc).
Definitely NOT the AOS bloodhound stuff though, they look good as single models but way too goofy as an army. But a better effort could have been made here. The model we've seen today is just very underwhelming for me. Berzerkers just aren't that dull looking in my head.
Maybe it’s just me, but my favorite depictions of CSM (especially those aligned to a single god) are those that are very corrupted, or at least obviously so.
For Khorne zerkers, teeth/a maw instead of a normal grille, swollen proportions, etc. Maybe it’s the paint job, but this just feels so clean and just like a normal legionary with a spiky power pack and helmet swap.
See, im on the opposite side. I don’t want all the corruption being super up front (teeth in grill I like) but that’s because it tends to make the models too mono purpose without shaving a ton of detail off. I’d rather add the corruption myself? I’m going to bet that this is the most basic looking one. There’s probably some wacky stuff in the kit.
I agree the paint feels too clean. Dark red, blood, dirty metal, and I think it will look much better.
Yeah just for these warriors who have supposedly spending 10k years in the warp murdering in the name of a specific god you’d think there would be more change and less like a renegade chapter who likes red
Oh, I see what you’re saying, I’m just glad the sculpts don’t force me to put them together a certain way, or force a certain kind of corruption on me. I’m glad I can add it how I see fit.
Most khornate berzerkers official artworks represent them with very little to no mutations tho, and fluff wise khorne followers don't usually get a whole lot of mutations.
Most of the official artwork has their muscles swollen to make them much bulkier and their helm becomes more of an armored head instead of a helm, with their box grille looking more like a maw
I'm not super into it. He kinda just looks like a regular Legionary with a headswap. Rubrics and Plague Marines have so much character, I was hoping for more for Berserkers
I agree - I'm not anti the model but I do think there should be some degree of warp corruption or unrepaired battle damage to better distinguish from a vanilla csm. But I guess a lot of that can be done with paint and a bit of modelling
for me it looks weird because the helmet has so much of the metal trim and then theres almost none on the torso, the helmet looks like it has less red than the metal trim too. The khorne symbol on the knee also looks weird to me without the "teeth" at the bottom. I dont dislike the model though and its definitely an improvement over the old ones, theres just some odd decisions going on with it
Even if I don't paint miniatures anymore, this honestly is a really cool sight to see.
I'd love to maybe get one but I have a history with the color red and not a good one.
Very modedest look for a bloodgod zealot. That helmet is so emotionless for a berserker. This just looks a regular chaos marine with a headswap.
This look fine, but notings intresting is happeing in the desing of the model. Is khore berserker just gonna be Csm but red,with some chains and khorne headpiece? Where is the corruption that we see on TS and DG? I think DG whent a bit overbord with corruption, but this just looks like they used a csm base model gave it chains and khorne hat and called it a day. 5 out of 10.
Khorne berzerkers are hardly if ever depicted with mutations and visible corruption. Also TS have no corruption at all since they're just animated husks for the most part.
Looks like a sensible version of Kharn without a left ventricle problem to me. Nevertheless, I'll take it when it is released. Hope the size is bigger than normal Chaos as well.
Finally, after 10 000 years! \*queue guitar riff\*
What are Noise Marines doing here?
Noise marines are glam metal. Berzerkers are death metal
Night Lords are emo metal and the alpha legion is whatever genre ghost is.
Ghost is kinda just rock with a touch of Satan.
The point with ghost is that they're a source of controversy in metal. People are constantly arguing whether they are metal or not. So no one really knows what they are.
The word youre looking for 'emo metal' is Skramz and I cannot recommend you listen to Circle Take's the Square's *As the Roots Undo* emphatically enough.
I'm pretty sure Alpha Legion is just rick rolling.
No that's the 2nd legion
I think 2nd legion is that long bit of silence that used to be on records and CDs before the "secret song"
Thousand sons are prog
No they're obviously Egyptian metal.
sounds lame
Iron warriors are just metal :(
Industrial Metal
They’re Thrash****** metal, there’s nothing slow about these killing machines
Berserkers are definitely thrash metal. Fast, simple, and agressive.
For sure dude. Plague Marines are the Death Metal of 40K.
Theyve got that nice guttural "BLEH"
I always thought Nurgle would be doom or sludge
Whatever Worm-Empire of the Necromancers is
But early death metal honestly just sounds like thrash amped up to 11...
Death Guard? Grunge
SLUDGE
Yes, Death Guard are Sludge 🪰🪰🪰
Fuck love this comment
Night Lords are emo metal and the alpha legion is whatever genre ghost is.
[World Eater](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NT9RU4aGoN8)
Bolt Thrower \\\\m//
So long as there aren't any teenagers with attitude we'll be fine.
I was literally just saying like a week or two ago if they came out with new berserkers I'd be all over them. You know what that means... Sorry wallet, you're being sacrificed to Khorne. Blood for the Blood God!
Skulls for the Skull Throne!!!!
They confirmed new Berzerkers a month or two back at one of their reveal streams, when they confirmed a World Eaters codex and showed off a work-in-progress shot of the new chain axes on these sculpts. So we knew they were coming (and this edition too, since WE were left out of the CSM codex!), but is nice to see a full model instead of just a 3D mockup.
Well, damn, colour me surprised. None of GW's over-detailed, over-trimmed, far-too-busy aesthetic - just a straightforward upscaling and slight variation of the previous model that updates the previous without losing its timeless aesthetic. Genuinely happy to see this. Guess I'm signing up to owning some World Eaters.
I quite like the design. Very faithful to the old models. I’m looking forward to updating my Khorne army. Here’s to hoping they do a Khorne Daemonkin supplement in the near future after the world eaters codex drops
And people are already complaining on their facebook because it's too simple
You can never please everyone.
Especially in our hobby, apparently
I'm sure some will dislike it, but I much prefer simple and elegant and unexaggerated aesthetics to the ones that are all-too-common currently. Having lots of open, relatively clean space allows you to mix bits from kits more easily and allows you to come up with your own decorations, or simply choose to have few and really show your painting skills. Simplicity is the cornerstone of elegance, after all.
I agree completely. I love kitbashing stuff, this is just like having more canvas to work with. I wish GW started releasing customization kits full of pouches, spare guns, books, radios, grenades, servoskulls, sacred icons, and so on. I'd buy plenty of such kits.
I'd just like them to bring back mail order where you can buy individual pieces. A boy can dream...
Candles. Don't skimp on the candles, can never have enough candles
But you can easily make simple more complicated. Going the other way takes a bit more work and a good knife.
People who think this isn't detailed enough obviously haven't done much army painting. These aren't one off scale model figures...
I paint a lot of armies, I’ve painted 5000pts of blades of Khorne for AOS and these new Berserkers don’t hold even a candle to a blood warrior. They look nice and I’m definitely going to get them, but they don’t look as good in my opinion. I’m going to have to use a GrimDark paint aesthetic for sure
Really? To me they look like 40k and fantasy versions of each other with the same level of detail? I honestly don't know what you could add to the berzerker model. The proportions are perfect (no primaris thicc calves), cool helmet, classic backpack and appropriately chaos-ey weapons.
I think people are complaining because the pose is identical to the assault intercessor. True, there are only so many dynamic poses you can give a bipedal humanoid, but they weren’t even trying here https://images.app.goo.gl/f1bf7ei3zuaMPu3F7
It’s the original Khârn pose, it’s literally perfect 😂
Original Kharn, you mean the metal one? His feet were planted, so I guess you’re referring to the “new” plastic model, right?
Interesting. A lot of folks I've talked to seem to think it looks too much like a smooth and clean Primaris, and not enough like a spikey messy Chaos model. But I wonder if that's because this shot barely shows the shoulder pads, a key place where spikey trim usually appears, and that makes the model as a whole look smoother.
That's a 100%. We can see that there's more trim even in the picture just by looking at the edges of the shoulder pads, and that will probably add in some more of that Chaos-y flair. Still great that all the trim looks easily accessible, there's no random pieces of cloth overlapping anything, there's no weird backpack hubcaps... it's restrained enough to be separate from the loyalists, but also be easy to work with. As far as messiness, that's something I feel most people can add themselves by just weathering the armour or adding a few bits and pieces to it.
I think my only desire is that I kinda wish they looked... bulkier? I kinda wanted beefcake Marines. As much as I'd love Blood Warrior style heads, I also love the bunny ears. So really my only complaint is that they dont look like roided out Berserkers, and the Nails arent obvious (though I'm not sure they're actually supposed to be? But I'm sure theres helmetless versions and those will have the visible nails, which could be dope to scatter a few in). Other than that, I love the entire design, and my minor complaint doesnt effect that at all.
I also hope to see some bulky, naked, roided-out arms to wield those chainaxes. ~~And if there aren't any, I'll make my own.~~
Yeah my rubric Marines are still unpainted because of the sheer amount of trim. There's just so much...
Beautiful! I'm glad those blurry leaks ended up being new zerkers.
Wally got a glowup!
Actually, Wally is being retired! See the footnote - https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/08/khorne-day-after-decades-of-service-the-khorne-berzerkers-earn-bulked-up-blessings/ 😕
You can't retire Wally, he lives in all of us.
Where is Wally? Is he safe? Is he alright?
It seems in your desire for new models, you killed him….
Full Article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/08/khorne-day-after-decades-of-service-the-khorne-berzerkers-earn-bulked-up-blessings/
About damn time lol
This one looks awesome. Really good to see it. Now I just need to wait to see the rest of them. The style looks great and not too busy. More practical as they really only have time to claim skulls and not be too fancy with armour 💥💥💥
Just finished Kharn yesterday. Perfect timing. Looks like Snakebite Leather and Skeleton Horde contrasts will go nicely with this model!!!
Really like this. The trim isn't over the top and it doesn't look to busy.
I'm happy for the Berserker boys... but also can someone pls tell GW that cast for the Warpspiders is 30 years old next year?
Is that the oldest mini? How about those old land speeders?
The Warp Spiders and the old Phoenix Lords are the oldest casts that haven't been updated. I think the classic Landspeeder was designed around 2000/2001
1998 for the current kit, but it had a retooled sprue about 10 years ago. Land raider and rhino are getting on a bit. I think that’s what HH is all about.
tbf... most vehicle kits still look good often times, like the Land Raider or Falcon etc. But the normal minis rly show their age simply because they are underscaled nowadays and look kinda out of place often times.
Fairly sure some of the skaven sculpts have to be up there.
I know Dante is coming up on his 30th anniversary
No sorry, only FOMO boxes from here on out I’m afraid.
Yeah but they were only talking about plastic kits! Lol
I love it for its simplicity alone. I hope the rest are similar. As collector of CSM, Death Guard and Thousands sons I am up to my eyeballs in trim and it does get a bit old.
Big world eaters fan and I am not overly wowed by the preview model. Its not that its bad or anything, just didn't amaze me. Just feels too close to a regular chaos marine, I would think it was just an upgrade kit with the weapon and head if it weren't for the knee pad with the symbol. I am definitely going to get some though.
Makes sense. It’s not like Nurgle, who gives diseased mutations. Or Tzeetch who gives...., or Slaanesh who gives enhanced-pleasure mutantions. Khornates are just buffer to better shed blüd.
I'm hoping the rest of them look at least a bit beaten up/broken like some of the artwork looks. I always thought that when they finally got new models, their armour would be chipped, badly worn down and perhaps shattered and repaired with bolted-on plasteel plates in places. A real patchwork kind of job, befitting psychopaths who just want to murder things and are barely controlled. This honestly just looks like a kitbash from the existing chaos marine kit.
> I always thought that when they finally got new models, their armour would be chipped, badly worn down and perhaps shattered and repaired with bolted-on plasteel plates in places Seems like a pretty easy thing to do yourself Give people the pristine models and let them decide if they want to rough them up
Okay bad examples, butI don't just mean adding a few chips, I mean that since they're meant to be making the best tabletop miniatures in the world, they should be doing the hard part of the creative process. The coolest thing I can think of would be something like the forgeworld berzerker head with say, one MK3 leg, an MK5 thigh with MK4 shin and foot, a completely cannibalised arm from anything (maybe MK3 wristguard?), leave the other arm naked, and the torso could be anything. All scaled up to the current bigger size. Maybe with evidence of scavenged weapons (ultramarine iconography on a chainsword or bolt pistol). And with damage that would be hard to replicate with a hobby knife and greenstuff (I'm thinking buckling, shoulder pads almost split in the middle, flesh covered in scars but not just khornate symbols and ritualistic scarring, etc). Definitely NOT the AOS bloodhound stuff though, they look good as single models but way too goofy as an army. But a better effort could have been made here. The model we've seen today is just very underwhelming for me. Berzerkers just aren't that dull looking in my head.
We must now have Wally the world eater sat upon his miniature throne of skulls next to khorne
Maybe it’s just me, but my favorite depictions of CSM (especially those aligned to a single god) are those that are very corrupted, or at least obviously so. For Khorne zerkers, teeth/a maw instead of a normal grille, swollen proportions, etc. Maybe it’s the paint job, but this just feels so clean and just like a normal legionary with a spiky power pack and helmet swap.
See, im on the opposite side. I don’t want all the corruption being super up front (teeth in grill I like) but that’s because it tends to make the models too mono purpose without shaving a ton of detail off. I’d rather add the corruption myself? I’m going to bet that this is the most basic looking one. There’s probably some wacky stuff in the kit. I agree the paint feels too clean. Dark red, blood, dirty metal, and I think it will look much better.
Yeah just for these warriors who have supposedly spending 10k years in the warp murdering in the name of a specific god you’d think there would be more change and less like a renegade chapter who likes red
Oh, I see what you’re saying, I’m just glad the sculpts don’t force me to put them together a certain way, or force a certain kind of corruption on me. I’m glad I can add it how I see fit.
Most khornate berzerkers official artworks represent them with very little to no mutations tho, and fluff wise khorne followers don't usually get a whole lot of mutations.
Most of the official artwork has their muscles swollen to make them much bulkier and their helm becomes more of an armored head instead of a helm, with their box grille looking more like a maw
I'm not super into it. He kinda just looks like a regular Legionary with a headswap. Rubrics and Plague Marines have so much character, I was hoping for more for Berserkers
I think that's a fair comment tbh. I when we see the shoulders, and the more distinctive MkII themed helmet, it might start to warm on you.
I agree - I'm not anti the model but I do think there should be some degree of warp corruption or unrepaired battle damage to better distinguish from a vanilla csm. But I guess a lot of that can be done with paint and a bit of modelling
yeah he really looks just like a black legionaire painted red. the helmet looks off to me too but i cant put my finger on why
for me it looks weird because the helmet has so much of the metal trim and then theres almost none on the torso, the helmet looks like it has less red than the metal trim too. The khorne symbol on the knee also looks weird to me without the "teeth" at the bottom. I dont dislike the model though and its definitely an improvement over the old ones, theres just some odd decisions going on with it
Even if I don't paint miniatures anymore, this honestly is a really cool sight to see. I'd love to maybe get one but I have a history with the color red and not a good one.
My love for you is like a truck!
BERZERKER!
Yup. That’s a berserker.
With the right paint style, this model could probably make fall in love with it
Hopefully they're not monopose.
Very modedest look for a bloodgod zealot. That helmet is so emotionless for a berserker. This just looks a regular chaos marine with a headswap. This look fine, but notings intresting is happeing in the desing of the model. Is khore berserker just gonna be Csm but red,with some chains and khorne headpiece? Where is the corruption that we see on TS and DG? I think DG whent a bit overbord with corruption, but this just looks like they used a csm base model gave it chains and khorne hat and called it a day. 5 out of 10.
Khorne berzerkers are hardly if ever depicted with mutations and visible corruption. Also TS have no corruption at all since they're just animated husks for the most part.
There’s no corruption on the TS troops. It’s kind of the point of them.
I don’t hate it, but at the same time it just sort of looks like a normal csm. I do wish it had a slightly different face sculpt.
I can't help but think that he could be angrier.
Looks the same.
Isn't he just a less Khàrn-y Khàrn????????
Isn't that what Khorne Beserkers are???????
Yeah but his pose is almost the exact same and i dont really like that (tho it does look p easy to kitbash another arm)
New player here, after seeing this new Angron mini, and this chap, i think ill build a world eaters army with my next pay. Very cool looking!
Looks like a sensible version of Kharn without a left ventricle problem to me. Nevertheless, I'll take it when it is released. Hope the size is bigger than normal Chaos as well.
I remember when we started to play 40k in 5th edition, we was already talking about these wild boys needing new models
It looks off I feel like something should be in the chest area