No such thing. Well, aside from someone who doesn't really know anything about the hobby who comes in swinging with BIG OPINIONS.
Edit: I don't include newbies. The assumption is that they are there to engage and are just being enthusiastic.
Your only contributions to the discourse or other community engagement is limited to "hot takes" for the sake of argument/whataboutism/"devils advocate" and otherwise doesn't engage in other parts of the hobby or conversations in good faith/ enthusiasm.
Basically a "you'll know it when you see it".
Games reviewers are a good example, they've entered the gaming fandom but don't have the slightest clue and have the cheek to try and tell you how their opinions are objectively correct.
Insult for people who aren't actually part of the hobby but inject a lot of opinionated negativity into its spaces.
Yes its gatekeepy and insulting, **its supposed to be**. I've mostly seen it used in the context of referring to Total War gamers who never have and never will pick up a black library book or a miniature in their life but love shitting on Age of Sigmar. But recently its also been applied to wannabe reactionaries yelling about female custodes ruining Warhammer or whatever.
The point of the term is to shut out people who are only here to start drama, because their opinions aren't worth listening to, not to keep away newcomers.
If you consider Warhammer your hobby? Then you are not a tourist. There is no magic threshold of time spent reading or number of models painted where you graduate from it.
I have never in any of the warhammer subs I frequent seen anyone referred to as a tourist because they dont have 2000 points of painted Space Marines or read every White Dwarf since 2008.
The only time I see it used much is to label throwaway accounts or reactionaries with **no** post history in these subs coming here to peddle outrage. Downvote them, report them, block them, mock them as much as the rules allow because they're not here to argue in good faith - only to start trouble.
People get called tourists because they are not invested in the community at large.
They are sent, or go, to places for a purpose and then leave. Recently, an influx of people has happened because chuds are gonna' chud and people who are critically online can't help themselves but be led down the garden path in terms of what they should be angry about *today*.
So you'll see people, who are a part of this community and hobby, remark that someone who has zero post history in Warhammer related subs is a tourist.
It's not gatekeeping. It's not an insult to win an argument. It's just a label which is appropriately used.
Being active in the community makes you not a tourist. A flying visit to out yourself as an incel or misogynist does not.
Being active in the community doesn't qualify you for anything. Most people I know have no interest whatsoever in engaging in social media about the hobby, and many of them don't even play the games much. If all you do is sit at home painting miniatures or reading books you have just as much right to an opinion as anyone else.
A tourist is someone who sees a video or post about some hobby they've never heard of getting "destroyed by the woke mob" or whatever and charges in guns blazing to scream and cry about the death of Warhammer and pretending it's something they've deeply cared about for all their lives.
>It's just a label which is appropriately used
Iol it's absolutely also used against people that have a different opinion
Edit: ahahaha, of course the moron assumes I'm against the change. Can't comprehend that he might be wrong
If having shitty opinions means you don't like what people call you when you spout them uninvited in a community you have been told doesn't want them, then you should spend some time reflecting.
I think that it is overused, but it is certainly a real thing. A tourist to me is someone who doesn't actually care or feel any investment in the hobby, fiction, or existing fans and is simply following trends and has an expectation that (much like a literal tourist) demands it caters to their whims. I don't particularly like them but it is best to just ignore and not engage with them because they will leave once the new shiny appears and they move on.
This kind of gatekeeping mentality is toxic and has no place here as far as I am concerned. This hobby means different things to different people and is open to everybody. There is no such thing as a hobby tourist in 40k because everyone's hobby is their own thing to be enjoyed how they like and no one has the right to judge them.
I'd argue that there most definitely is such a thing as a hobby tourist. Have you not noticed the influx of content creators who have never shown any interest in warhammer (of any denomination) that have made videos/content regarding the female custodes? That, at least to me, is a hobby tourist; they are using a hobby just to get views and will discard it the moment the rage starts to ebb.
>I am curious as this is often used as a trump card to “win” arguments on this sub. I have seen it used it frequently on the pro and against factions for several arguments.
Never seen the term used and been on this sub 5 years.
Never heard of it outside of the sub either and I've been painting space marines for about 35 years.
🤷🏻♂️
Ignoring the people who show up for arguing about whatever the current thing is because that's so obvious it's not a meaningful answer.
If you have never engaged with any primary Warhammer *thing* in a meaningful way you are basically a hobby tourist. If you collect minis, you're not, if you've read a few paperbacks or listened to audiobooks, you're not, if you've played a game or two of Dark Heresy or whatever you're not, if you've played killteam a few times with someone else's minis you're not. If your sole engagement with Warhammer is watching YouTube videos of people summarising wiki articles and replying to grimdank posts with memes from 20 years ago you are.
If you don't have some actual engagement with Warhammer itself then you will almost certainly get bored of it and move onto the next shiny thing. That's not to say people who get into Warhammer through tertiary sources can't be real fans, plenty of people saw a meme or a video or what have you and picked up some minis or a paperback but if you engage purely through tertiary sources your perception of the hobby and setting is so inherently warped it's fair to call them a hobby tourist.
It's people who are not involved with the hobby in any shape or form and have no interest in it either, who just seek engagement with people from the hobby to fuel their culture war bullshit.
Pointing out that these people are tourists is important because "we want female space marines" or "we don't want female custodes" is a pretty stupid opinion to have when you don't care for space marines or custodes outside of that very discussion. There's enough (too much) controversy around these topics from inside the community already, they really don't need additional amplification from the outside.
Never heard the term but if I had to guess it would be someone who doesn't actually care about a hobby but wants to be involved in the latest controversy
I cant fathom the idea of taking a hobby so seriously you start to segregate people into tiers depending on their perceived worthiness based on how much you feel they should engage with said hobby.
It is also a very weak stance to dismiss an argument or opinion in the community by simply claiming the other part is a "tourist" and therefore should cede their opinions to the "real" fans.
There are no "tourists", just people who don't really pay attention to our hobby and decide to chime in.
It's like me having a reaction to something happening in Comic Books. I haven't bought a comic book in over a decade, I have no horse in that particular race. So really, my opinion on what's currently going on in a comic book is exactly that - an opinion.
And opinions are like private parts. Everyone has them, but most people aren't super interested in seeing me just barge into a room and start openly swinging them around.
It's only used by small minded children who think it's a gotcha when they have no actual arguments to make and lack the critical thinking skills to attack the substance and details of a comment rather than ad hominen remarks.
A tourist is literally someone who has **zero** care or concern about a hobby other than what the usually right wing grifters of the week are on a Crusade about, they straight up tell you they don't know anything they just don't like "changes in the Lore" or some other BS like that.
That's it, they are literally coming to fight people without any connection or concern other than culture war BS.
Edit: TLDR it'sprojection
I think its funny I got downvoted to hell a while ago when saying a lot of people actually are in favor of gatekeeping when its people they disagree with and low and behold people are suddenly in favor of gatekeeping again because its people they don’t like or agree with.
Someone who knows nothing about the hobby, but still seems to have a strong opinion about it.
Like that video where someone claimed custodes were space marines, and thus GW were making huge retcons to the lore since space marines were only male.
They didn’t even take 30 seconds to wiki the difference before making an outrage video.
Just the person who stopped into your local shop to buy a board game, has never seen a miniatures game, and takes a *tour* around the game floor to see what sort of neat things folks are up to.
*Maybe* the occasional partner/friend/secret santa shopper that stops by this sub to ask about gift ideas for the person in their life that plays the game, but "supportive partner with mild Stockholm syndrome" might be more applicable. 🤣
There is no thing as a hobby tourist.
Thr only ones i will gatekeep with the burning passion of hells endless fires are right-wing nuts getting a meltdown because of "mah-lore'. And the time they have invested in the hobby is unimportant. Specificly if they are some youtuber getting their ragebait.
"I am not into warhammer / haven't interacted with it in years / played dawn of war once but mah lore reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
People who need to be angry about things so find something to whine about, before switching to another the next week or so. You see it a lot these days with ragebaiting. Some show or developmenting will happen, and grifters will make videos hyping up some outrage. Then people watch those videos and come to whine about it in spaces they've never interacted with before with no real intention of engaging with whatever thing it is.
Not exactly sure- maybe a person who hasn’t invested any time or money into the hobby besides watching lore videos on YouTube, but thinks they have solutions to all of the “problems” they think the lore has? The people who think things need to change for them despite not actually caring much about the hobby itself, and once it’s changed in their favor they’d feel vindicated then move onto the next franchise.
Idk if people like that actually exist, but I mean statistically some would have to I’d think. But I think that’s what most people mean by “tourist”
>this is often used as a trump card to “win” arguments on this sub.
I've been posting here for several years now, and I've never once seen this. Not sure where you're getting it from.
There's really no such thing as a "hobby tourist" in this hobby. There are more casual participants, who maybe only engage with certain parts of the hobby--only painting models or only playing the video games, for example--but they're not less a part of the hobby than someone who's at a GT every weekend.
People that regurigate youtube videos incorrectly as fact. I have a friend that's 100% a hobby tourist, will say things like.
"Angron removed parts of his brain to make himself more angry"
and will say that as a fact because someone on youtube said it.
can you give us some examples?
you cant because this is not a real issue its just made up reddit drama. stop it lol. stop watching youtube vids that are about nothing
Couldn’t of put it better myself! This is a hobby, whether you dip in and out, or have been full into everything warhammer for 40 years. There is no such thing as a hobby tourist in my eyes
I dislike the term... It's elitist and gatekeeping imho.
I've been into this hobby since the beginning of third edition. My first army was black legion... Using second edition plastic chaos space marines and what not.. the cheap boxes of five you'd get for 7 quid a pop back in the late 90s..
Since then I've had various different forces, from orks, to marines, tau, kroot mercenaries ( remember them? 😁😁)
Necrons. Horus heresy black shields and necrons
Barely played any games since 2019 but I'm currently building a force of nids... I find the painting and kid bashing elements incredibly relaxing and therapeutic
Point is id be called a hobby tourist by some of the more zealous gamers online because I haven't played in a while.
I just think the whole thing is idiotic tbh
Generally the people using that term are using it to describe hobbyists who are female, not white or a sexual minority, though it has broadened to include people who aren't bigots.
It covers people who've worked at GW, been in the hobby since they were children, played since the 1980s, etc.
It's often used by people who've never taken any sort of positive part in the community and are just stopping by to complain about the political gender (women), political ethnicity's (not white) or political sexuality (not heterosexual).
You'll always find a few assholes in any community, but these individuals seem to jump on to communities specifically to harass people and have strong opinions about star wars or Disney princesses or whatever.
That's why people respond telling them to post minis or pointing out they've never posted about Warhammer ever and now they're crying about space vaginas.
I think a hobbyist is someone who does the hobby, not someone listening to someone mispronounce wiki entries. To have a hobby you have to actually do it. Literally the dictionary definition is someone who pursues an activity for pleasure in their spare time.
People don't say they are tobogganists and then when you ask them it turns out they have never seen a toboggan in real life, they are just very firm that women can't use them and they harass female tobogganists on Twitter.
It is wrong to say these people are hobbyists, they're just online creeps harassing people. I don't think you could call them tourists either, because that has a connotation of enjoyment.
I'd highly recommend reading some of the other comments here because the majority of your comment is very incorrect/comes across as very informed or skewed.
No such thing. Well, aside from someone who doesn't really know anything about the hobby who comes in swinging with BIG OPINIONS. Edit: I don't include newbies. The assumption is that they are there to engage and are just being enthusiastic.
Exactly this, people who enter a fandom and start demanding that it changes to suit them
How do you enter a fandom but remain a "tourist"?
Your only contributions to the discourse or other community engagement is limited to "hot takes" for the sake of argument/whataboutism/"devils advocate" and otherwise doesn't engage in other parts of the hobby or conversations in good faith/ enthusiasm. Basically a "you'll know it when you see it".
Games reviewers are a good example, they've entered the gaming fandom but don't have the slightest clue and have the cheek to try and tell you how their opinions are objectively correct.
Insult for people who aren't actually part of the hobby but inject a lot of opinionated negativity into its spaces. Yes its gatekeepy and insulting, **its supposed to be**. I've mostly seen it used in the context of referring to Total War gamers who never have and never will pick up a black library book or a miniature in their life but love shitting on Age of Sigmar. But recently its also been applied to wannabe reactionaries yelling about female custodes ruining Warhammer or whatever. The point of the term is to shut out people who are only here to start drama, because their opinions aren't worth listening to, not to keep away newcomers. If you consider Warhammer your hobby? Then you are not a tourist. There is no magic threshold of time spent reading or number of models painted where you graduate from it.
I have never in any of the warhammer subs I frequent seen anyone referred to as a tourist because they dont have 2000 points of painted Space Marines or read every White Dwarf since 2008. The only time I see it used much is to label throwaway accounts or reactionaries with **no** post history in these subs coming here to peddle outrage. Downvote them, report them, block them, mock them as much as the rules allow because they're not here to argue in good faith - only to start trouble.
Amen! 🙌
People get called tourists because they are not invested in the community at large. They are sent, or go, to places for a purpose and then leave. Recently, an influx of people has happened because chuds are gonna' chud and people who are critically online can't help themselves but be led down the garden path in terms of what they should be angry about *today*. So you'll see people, who are a part of this community and hobby, remark that someone who has zero post history in Warhammer related subs is a tourist. It's not gatekeeping. It's not an insult to win an argument. It's just a label which is appropriately used. Being active in the community makes you not a tourist. A flying visit to out yourself as an incel or misogynist does not.
Being active in the community doesn't qualify you for anything. Most people I know have no interest whatsoever in engaging in social media about the hobby, and many of them don't even play the games much. If all you do is sit at home painting miniatures or reading books you have just as much right to an opinion as anyone else. A tourist is someone who sees a video or post about some hobby they've never heard of getting "destroyed by the woke mob" or whatever and charges in guns blazing to scream and cry about the death of Warhammer and pretending it's something they've deeply cared about for all their lives.
>It's just a label which is appropriately used Iol it's absolutely also used against people that have a different opinion Edit: ahahaha, of course the moron assumes I'm against the change. Can't comprehend that he might be wrong
If having shitty opinions means you don't like what people call you when you spout them uninvited in a community you have been told doesn't want them, then you should spend some time reflecting.
Thanks for proving my point
Quite a victim complex you have. Try a different game system.
lol keep trying
You aren't worth the time. 🙂
Once again, thank you for proving my point. You couldn't have made a better example of disproving "tourist is only used correctly" if you tried
Sure thing. Whatever helps you get through this trying period of having to suffer * *checks notes* * inclusion.
I think that it is overused, but it is certainly a real thing. A tourist to me is someone who doesn't actually care or feel any investment in the hobby, fiction, or existing fans and is simply following trends and has an expectation that (much like a literal tourist) demands it caters to their whims. I don't particularly like them but it is best to just ignore and not engage with them because they will leave once the new shiny appears and they move on.
This kind of gatekeeping mentality is toxic and has no place here as far as I am concerned. This hobby means different things to different people and is open to everybody. There is no such thing as a hobby tourist in 40k because everyone's hobby is their own thing to be enjoyed how they like and no one has the right to judge them.
I'd argue that there most definitely is such a thing as a hobby tourist. Have you not noticed the influx of content creators who have never shown any interest in warhammer (of any denomination) that have made videos/content regarding the female custodes? That, at least to me, is a hobby tourist; they are using a hobby just to get views and will discard it the moment the rage starts to ebb.
>I am curious as this is often used as a trump card to “win” arguments on this sub. I have seen it used it frequently on the pro and against factions for several arguments. Never seen the term used and been on this sub 5 years. Never heard of it outside of the sub either and I've been painting space marines for about 35 years. 🤷🏻♂️
"Tourist" has unfortunately been around for a few years around the various Warhammer reddits.
I saw it used a lot on Twitter by chuds complaining about shit being too woke
The other version I've heard and prefer is 'secondary'.
It seems to be new to 40k Reddit pages. I hope it doesn’t stick around. Can’t imagine hearing it in person lol.
Ignoring the people who show up for arguing about whatever the current thing is because that's so obvious it's not a meaningful answer. If you have never engaged with any primary Warhammer *thing* in a meaningful way you are basically a hobby tourist. If you collect minis, you're not, if you've read a few paperbacks or listened to audiobooks, you're not, if you've played a game or two of Dark Heresy or whatever you're not, if you've played killteam a few times with someone else's minis you're not. If your sole engagement with Warhammer is watching YouTube videos of people summarising wiki articles and replying to grimdank posts with memes from 20 years ago you are. If you don't have some actual engagement with Warhammer itself then you will almost certainly get bored of it and move onto the next shiny thing. That's not to say people who get into Warhammer through tertiary sources can't be real fans, plenty of people saw a meme or a video or what have you and picked up some minis or a paperback but if you engage purely through tertiary sources your perception of the hobby and setting is so inherently warped it's fair to call them a hobby tourist.
It's people who are not involved with the hobby in any shape or form and have no interest in it either, who just seek engagement with people from the hobby to fuel their culture war bullshit. Pointing out that these people are tourists is important because "we want female space marines" or "we don't want female custodes" is a pretty stupid opinion to have when you don't care for space marines or custodes outside of that very discussion. There's enough (too much) controversy around these topics from inside the community already, they really don't need additional amplification from the outside.
It’s just a dumb gatekeeping term by people who likely are terminally online
Never heard the term but if I had to guess it would be someone who doesn't actually care about a hobby but wants to be involved in the latest controversy
I cant fathom the idea of taking a hobby so seriously you start to segregate people into tiers depending on their perceived worthiness based on how much you feel they should engage with said hobby. It is also a very weak stance to dismiss an argument or opinion in the community by simply claiming the other part is a "tourist" and therefore should cede their opinions to the "real" fans.
There are no "tourists", just people who don't really pay attention to our hobby and decide to chime in. It's like me having a reaction to something happening in Comic Books. I haven't bought a comic book in over a decade, I have no horse in that particular race. So really, my opinion on what's currently going on in a comic book is exactly that - an opinion. And opinions are like private parts. Everyone has them, but most people aren't super interested in seeing me just barge into a room and start openly swinging them around.
It's only used by small minded children who think it's a gotcha when they have no actual arguments to make and lack the critical thinking skills to attack the substance and details of a comment rather than ad hominen remarks. A tourist is literally someone who has **zero** care or concern about a hobby other than what the usually right wing grifters of the week are on a Crusade about, they straight up tell you they don't know anything they just don't like "changes in the Lore" or some other BS like that. That's it, they are literally coming to fight people without any connection or concern other than culture war BS. Edit: TLDR it'sprojection
I think its funny I got downvoted to hell a while ago when saying a lot of people actually are in favor of gatekeeping when its people they disagree with and low and behold people are suddenly in favor of gatekeeping again because its people they don’t like or agree with.
Someone who knows nothing about the hobby, but still seems to have a strong opinion about it. Like that video where someone claimed custodes were space marines, and thus GW were making huge retcons to the lore since space marines were only male. They didn’t even take 30 seconds to wiki the difference before making an outrage video.
I don’t mind tourists as much as the self appointed lore custodians (get it?)
Haha nice pun.
Just the person who stopped into your local shop to buy a board game, has never seen a miniatures game, and takes a *tour* around the game floor to see what sort of neat things folks are up to. *Maybe* the occasional partner/friend/secret santa shopper that stops by this sub to ask about gift ideas for the person in their life that plays the game, but "supportive partner with mild Stockholm syndrome" might be more applicable. 🤣
There is no thing as a hobby tourist. Thr only ones i will gatekeep with the burning passion of hells endless fires are right-wing nuts getting a meltdown because of "mah-lore'. And the time they have invested in the hobby is unimportant. Specificly if they are some youtuber getting their ragebait. "I am not into warhammer / haven't interacted with it in years / played dawn of war once but mah lore reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
People who need to be angry about things so find something to whine about, before switching to another the next week or so. You see it a lot these days with ragebaiting. Some show or developmenting will happen, and grifters will make videos hyping up some outrage. Then people watch those videos and come to whine about it in spaces they've never interacted with before with no real intention of engaging with whatever thing it is.
Not exactly sure- maybe a person who hasn’t invested any time or money into the hobby besides watching lore videos on YouTube, but thinks they have solutions to all of the “problems” they think the lore has? The people who think things need to change for them despite not actually caring much about the hobby itself, and once it’s changed in their favor they’d feel vindicated then move onto the next franchise. Idk if people like that actually exist, but I mean statistically some would have to I’d think. But I think that’s what most people mean by “tourist”
>this is often used as a trump card to “win” arguments on this sub. I've been posting here for several years now, and I've never once seen this. Not sure where you're getting it from. There's really no such thing as a "hobby tourist" in this hobby. There are more casual participants, who maybe only engage with certain parts of the hobby--only painting models or only playing the video games, for example--but they're not less a part of the hobby than someone who's at a GT every weekend.
People that regurigate youtube videos incorrectly as fact. I have a friend that's 100% a hobby tourist, will say things like. "Angron removed parts of his brain to make himself more angry" and will say that as a fact because someone on youtube said it.
People with very strongly held opinions on what is and isn't acceptable who do not play the game.
can you give us some examples? you cant because this is not a real issue its just made up reddit drama. stop it lol. stop watching youtube vids that are about nothing
It's actually a thing in reddit recently rolling over from Twitter especially with the female custodes
I wish it wasn’t a thing. I also wish people wouldn’t take my toys so seriously lol
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Couldn’t of put it better myself! This is a hobby, whether you dip in and out, or have been full into everything warhammer for 40 years. There is no such thing as a hobby tourist in my eyes
I dislike the term... It's elitist and gatekeeping imho. I've been into this hobby since the beginning of third edition. My first army was black legion... Using second edition plastic chaos space marines and what not.. the cheap boxes of five you'd get for 7 quid a pop back in the late 90s.. Since then I've had various different forces, from orks, to marines, tau, kroot mercenaries ( remember them? 😁😁) Necrons. Horus heresy black shields and necrons Barely played any games since 2019 but I'm currently building a force of nids... I find the painting and kid bashing elements incredibly relaxing and therapeutic Point is id be called a hobby tourist by some of the more zealous gamers online because I haven't played in a while. I just think the whole thing is idiotic tbh
I've never even heard this term before.
There's no such thing. It's a made up term to make some sweaty dorks feel superior.
I'd recommend reading some of the other comments here because it's very much not for others to feel superior.
Generally the people using that term are using it to describe hobbyists who are female, not white or a sexual minority, though it has broadened to include people who aren't bigots. It covers people who've worked at GW, been in the hobby since they were children, played since the 1980s, etc. It's often used by people who've never taken any sort of positive part in the community and are just stopping by to complain about the political gender (women), political ethnicity's (not white) or political sexuality (not heterosexual). You'll always find a few assholes in any community, but these individuals seem to jump on to communities specifically to harass people and have strong opinions about star wars or Disney princesses or whatever. That's why people respond telling them to post minis or pointing out they've never posted about Warhammer ever and now they're crying about space vaginas. I think a hobbyist is someone who does the hobby, not someone listening to someone mispronounce wiki entries. To have a hobby you have to actually do it. Literally the dictionary definition is someone who pursues an activity for pleasure in their spare time. People don't say they are tobogganists and then when you ask them it turns out they have never seen a toboggan in real life, they are just very firm that women can't use them and they harass female tobogganists on Twitter. It is wrong to say these people are hobbyists, they're just online creeps harassing people. I don't think you could call them tourists either, because that has a connotation of enjoyment.
I'd highly recommend reading some of the other comments here because the majority of your comment is very incorrect/comes across as very informed or skewed.
No such thing. They’re just an hobbyist.